20 Shocking Facts on the Environment

[gordholio]

Do you read the articles you quote?

"Brewer's and nutritional yeasts do not contain B12 unless they are fortified with it. At least two vegan B12-fortified yeasts are currently on the market"

So, you either eat meat, or you become a vegan and take fortified vitamins/yeast, or you die.

I just ordered B12 lozenges to help with my energy level. I do eat meat, but I thought I'd try this.
The lozenges or injections are much more effective than taking B12 pills.

[fiscal-rick]

this post is political

if I am hungry something is going to die. if i run out of animals. I hope vegans taste like chicken!

to balance your post I will leave you with some info a little more fair and balanced than john robbins = http://adognamedkyoto.blogspot.com/

[re:load]

so...... back on topic...

WTF is #1 saying? What does driving a hybrid have to do with being a vegan? If I drive a hybrid (which I do) I'm not doing any good because I eat meat 2 or 3 times a week?

so if I drove a hummer, I'd be making the same difference on the world.... right....

[iLLNESS]

this kind of **** is really irritating

its new aged hippy crap. and any mentioning of vegans saving anything is stupid too.

animals go extinct.. it happens. we can avoid it or slow it down, but its going to happen either way. if it wasnt for things going extinct WE as we know it would not extinct.

vegans saving an acre of land or whatever, i call bs. do vegans grow all their own food in their backyard? no odds are they buy it from a grocery store, even a farmers market. either way, it was grown by a farmer with a big diesel tractor pumping out a wackload of carbon emissions who probably ran over hundreds of field mice, snakes, rodents in the process who crapped all over their naturally grown organic foods.

people need to realise this is the way things are going to be. rather then trying to avoid change, we should just adapt. eating meat isnt hurting our world. we survived thousands of years on meat and slaughtering animals for our digestion.

the first post i seen on that comment thread was %100 correct. if your so worried, STOP HAVING KIDS. its the mass amount of population thats causing all this. the world is not quite yet over populated but at this rate of growth it will. and itll be nice when it happens.. because earth will sustain %99.9 of its max, as soon as it hits %100 or more guess what.. population drops DRAMATICALLY..

checkout the J pattern in populations. its unavoidable and its what we are doing. ill enjoy it when it does that way theres less hippies pushing all this crap on everyone

[moebius]

Any kind of exclusive diet is wrong. The well balanced diet is good for you and the environment. If I eat meat grown locally and naturally isn't it better than the vegetable that has been transported from Asia? Or the one that is genetically modified.

Unless you have a health problem you have to deal with (for example cancer) you don't have to go on these crazy diets. Raw diet, vegan diet, low carb diet and so on - all the same - not necessary.

Also, becoming a vegetarian/vegan is almost like religion, which many of them don't seem to understand. Although eating food is still for survival, at least in the western world, we can say it's also about fun and enjoyment too. I take care of what I eat and try not to take too many bad things, but a little of bacon just tastes great and is also pure fun to eat. Once in a while, of course.

Take stock also. Chicken stock is very easy to make and just enhances all the meals it is used in, vegetable stock is very difficult to make and it doesn't do much for meals it is put in. The food is about taste, fun, enjoyment and not about religion. Most of the vegetarians I've met are really trying to solve some more deeper problems with themselves, the animals are just an excuse.

Regarding the B12 - I have a deficiency and I take supplements. Now if I were to go to this vegan diet, I'd simply die. Also, B12 is tricky since you don't experience problems until 3-5 years of deficiency. So, if you are a recent vegan or vegetarian I hope you are checking your blood levels for B12 and also getting some supplements...

[gzajay]

so...... back on topic...

WTF is #1 saying? What does driving a hybrid have to do with being a vegan? If I drive a hybrid (which I do) I'm not doing any good because I eat meat 2 or 3 times a week?

so if I drove a hummer, I'd be making the same difference on the world.... right....

What I think it's trying to say is...the amount of emissions and waste created from making a hybrid car essentially offsets the benefits of buying a hybrid. Thus, it's theoretically more 'green' to eat vegan so reduce environmental impact (see points 4, 6, 9)

[andrew2good4u]

I personally love meat too much to give it up. What's wrong with balance?

[bionicbadger]

lol, what crock.

I'd rather be dead than be vegan.

And notice they mention only food points, nothing about leather. Vegans don't use animal products of any kind, that means no leather/fur in shoes, bags, belts, coats, gloves, sporting equipment, furniture, car seats, etc.

[maebach]

Why do people put stupid/unwanted comments in these threads? I like meat just as much as the next person but I think if we cut down a little, we can help the environment quite a bit. The attitude displayed above is why the world is the way it is.

+1

[st7860]

lol, what crock.

I'd rather be dead than be vegan.

And notice they mention only food points, nothing about leather. Vegans don't use animal products of any kind, that means no leather/fur in shoes, bags, belts, coats, gloves, sporting equipment, furniture, car seats, etc.

is that picture a real ad from somewhere or is it coreldrawed ?

[ElChico]

is that picture a real ad from somewhere or is it coreldrawed ?

I'm 99% sure that is real.