again Audi is below industry average...Originally Posted by thelefteyeguy
im so hesitant to purchase the A3.
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Jun 7th, 2006 02:35 PM #1
2006 JD Power Initial Quality Ranking
http://www.jdpower.com/news/releases...asp?ID=2006082
TOP FIVE NAMEPLATES
Nameplate Problems per 100 vehicles
Porsche 91
Lexus 93
Hyundai 102
Toyota 106
Jaguar 109
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Jun 7th, 2006 02:51 PM #3Deal Guru




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2 Japanese favorites of this forum, Mazda and Subaru, did very poorly on JD's test. Any ideas why?
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Jun 7th, 2006 02:53 PM #4while MB didnt fare much better, have u considered the B200?
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Jun 7th, 2006 03:09 PM #5
And to think, Hyundai used to produce nothing but complete garbage!
Now their cars are considered to be just as reliable as Toyota and have been for years now._______________
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Jun 7th, 2006 03:14 PM #7yeah that was surprising ...
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Jun 7th, 2006 03:18 PM #8Mazda usually is near the bottom on the IQS.
Originally Posted by konfusion666
2004: http://www.jdpa.com/presspass/pr/ima...04037cfull.gif
2005: http://www.jdpa.com/presspass/pr/images/2005069b.gif_______________
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Lexus and Toyota models continue to dominate initial quality rankings, capturing 11 out of 19 segment awards in 2006. Lexus models rank highest in every segment in which they compete. In addition, the LS 430 ties the Porsche Cayman for having the fewest quality problems in the industry. Other top-ranking Lexus models include: IS 250/IS 350, ES 330, SC 430, GX 470 and LX 470.
Toyota remains a quality benchmark, capturing five model-level awards—for the Corolla, Solara, Camry, Highlander and Sequoia—more than any other non-luxury brand.Last edited by gilboman; Jun 7th, 2006 at 03:24 PM.
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um..not really. IQS is not reliability. e.g. jaguar makes decent IQS number but freefalls in actual reliability (aka dependability)
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Jun 7th, 2006 04:13 PM #12Regardless, Hyundai have made HUGE strides in improving their cars. It's pretty amazing how far they've come in only 10 years or so (if that) while GM and Ford can't seem to figure out what the hell they are doing.
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GM had been on the way up in JD Power initial quality, though they seem to have fallen quite a bit this year. Must be the new Buick models driving them back down...
Originally Posted by Shaner
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Jun 7th, 2006 04:25 PM #14The problem is, when GM sells average priced quality cars, nobody buys them because they think of GM = low quality.
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So when GM lowers the prices, they run into one of two problems, the cars are low quality, or they don't make any profit.
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They've been falling hard for 25 years
Originally Posted by Shaner
It just happens that for most of the 90s, the SUV boom covered it up... (at $12K USD profit per truck-based SUV, you can cover up a lot of problems in a business...)
Ironically, it's unarguable that they've major quality improvements over the past decade or so... and yet sales just keep tanking. Reputations are hard to overcome in this business. It doesn't help that most people simply assume Japanese = high quality, GM = low quality, which is a tad too simplified... (or Japanese = fuel efficient, GM = guzzler, which in segments other than econoboxes often isn't true at all)
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