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hightech wrote:
Nov 22nd, 2018 2:08 pm
I guess you are a Forester fanboy who turns a blind eye to head gasket issues and considers it as normal. I never had this issue in any of my vehicles in the last 25 years and 400K of driving.

Don't get my wrong, the Forester is a good vehicle and has plenty of good things (Visability, AWD system, handling). The big fly in the ointment is their pesky CVT and the engine durability and this where they have had issues (excessive oil consumption comes to mind). One way they are trying to reduce the head gasket issue is to get rid of the Turbo engine. The extra forces will just cause gasket failure quicker. They will spin it to say that they don't sell many Turbo's (probably because of the engine issues and the recommendation of Premium Fuel).
Not a fanboy, just anti fake info. Head gasket hasn't been a problem for at least 6 or 7 years, stop spread it.

Oil consumption isn't related to head gasket, it's a direct result of using thinner oil and low tension rings in order to achieve fuel efficiency mandates.

The 2.0 turbo was more reliable than NA 2.5, no known issue other than carbon buildup that plagues all DI engines. It was axed in Forester because of low sales (a little more than 5%), and again, to achieve fleet fuel efficiency mandates.

CVT isn't any more prone to failure than geared auto from any data I've seen, and they all received 10 year warranty extension.

Scotty used to have decent videos but success has gotten to his head and he's probably the biggest blowhard among automotive youtubers, watch engineering explained/south main auto/pine hollow diagnostics for better content.
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jzmtl,

The head gasket was an issue until recently. I recall Consumer Reports removing them from their recommended list several years ago for the Head Gasket, Excessive Oil Consumption issues. I think the recent models *should* be resolved but head gasket issues really come up after YEARS of use.

The APA/Lemon Aid still mentions Head Gasket issues: http://www.apa.ca/2017LemonAid-SUV2.asp#forester

Like I said, I am not bashing Subaru. I just like to look at all models and look at what issues they had and may still have. I know nothing is absolute but comparing Toyota vs. Honda vs. Subaru from an Engine reliability perspective, I gotta give Toyota the edge on it. Maybe in a few years when I need to look for a vehicle replacement, I can look at the empirical data from lemon aid, consumer reports, and other sources to see if the major issues are gone.
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hightech wrote:
Nov 22nd, 2018 4:08 pm
jzmtl,

The head gasket was an issue until recently. I recall Consumer Reports removing them from their recommended list several years ago for the Head Gasket, Excessive Oil Consumption issues. I think the recent models *should* be resolved but head gasket issues really come up after YEARS of use.

The APA/Lemon Aid still mentions Head Gasket issues: http://www.apa.ca/2017LemonAid-SUV2.asp#forester

Like I said, I am not bashing Subaru. I just like to look at all models and look at what issues they had and may still have. I know nothing is absolute but comparing Toyota vs. Honda vs. Subaru from an Engine reliability perspective, I gotta give Toyota the edge on it. Maybe in a few years when I need to look for a vehicle replacement, I can look at the empirical data from lemon aid, consumer reports, and other sources to see if the major issues are gone.
I'm not saying you are bashing, but this HG rumor just keep perpetuates itself. Toyota is better overall no doubt, that's why it and Lexus is already #1 and #2 on Consumer Report's reliability list. The APA article is basically pulling stuff out of its butt, "Oh it happened in the past, so it may happen again", but the fact is I've heard no HG failure with FA/FB engines which has been in use for the past 6 years at least.
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jzmtl wrote:
Nov 22nd, 2018 9:09 pm
I'm not saying you are bashing, but this HG rumor just keep perpetuates itself. Toyota is better overall no doubt, that's why it and Lexus is already #1 and #2 on Consumer Report's reliability list. The APA article is basically pulling stuff out of its butt, "Oh it happened in the past, so it may happen again", but the fact is I've heard no HG failure with FA/FB engines which has been in use for the past 6 years at least.
Well, that is good that those issues are behind them. I really like the Subaru AWD system, outward visibility, as well as many other things about it. One thing I did note buried deep in their manual is that all tires should not have more than 2/32" tread difference between them as it can damage their AWD system. I didn't see any note about this on the CRV or RAV4.
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hightech wrote:
Nov 22nd, 2018 9:25 pm
Well, that is good that those issues are behind them. I really like the Subaru AWD system, outward visibility, as well as many other things about it. One thing I did note buried deep in their manual is that all tires should not have more than 2/32" tread difference between tires as it can damage their AWD system. I didn't see any note about this on the CRV or RAV4.
Yes that's the unfortunate downside of the fulltime AWD, CRV and RAV4 has no problem with this because the rear drive axle is disconnected most of the time.
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According to reviewer Motormouth, no panoramic sunroof for Canadians because the Canadian factories aren't equipped for it, US customers get theirs sourced directly from Japan so they get the pano. Pretty silly for such an important selling feature.
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Anybody get any info at their dealers? Like allotments of models?
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blexann wrote:
Nov 24th, 2018 9:45 pm
According to reviewer Motormouth, no panoramic sunroof for Canadians because the Canadian factories aren't equipped for it, US customers get theirs sourced directly from Japan so they get the pano. Pretty silly for such an important selling feature.
Yup, pretty stupid. Might be a incentive to go down south and buy one instead.
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Sinasta wrote:
Nov 25th, 2018 10:28 pm
Yup, pretty stupid. Might be a incentive to go down south and buy one instead.
And suddenly you're paying $10,000 + your time for a panoramic roof because of the exchange.

Warranty transfers though, one of few companies that allow it.
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philharmonic wrote:
Nov 20th, 2018 9:59 am
2019 Canadian Pricing:

Gas FWD

XLE $31,590
LE $27,990

Gas AWD

Limited $40,690
Trail $38,690
XLE Premium $36,390
XLE $33,690
LE $30,690

Hybrid pricing not announced yet.
Any info on the specs for each trim?
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Any idea when we'd be able to purchase the 2019? The Toyota website is still only showing the 2018.
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lotfi.bm wrote:
Nov 26th, 2018 9:38 am
Any info on the specs for each trim?
Found a better press release (https://media.toyota.ca/releases/all-ne ... it-created)

"The 2019 Toyota RAV4 gas models will be offered in five grades: LE, XLE, XLE Premium, Trail and Limited. RAV4 HV will be offered in five grades: LE HV, XLE HV, XSE HV, XSE HV with Technology package and Limited HV.

Toyota’s typical outstanding value is clearly evident in the RAV4 LE grade, where the standard equipment list includes features that one might expect in an upgrade model: Blind Spot Monitoring with Rear Cross Traffic Alert, colour-keyed heated power exterior mirrors with LED turn signals and blind spot warning indicators; Multi-LED headlights and taillights; dual exhaust; colour-keyed exterior door handles; low-profile roof rails; privacy glass on side, quarter and liftgate windows; 4.2-in. Multi-Information Display (MID); power windows with automatic up/down and jam protection on all doors; soft-touch dash and armrests; a 12v auxiliary power outlet in the instrument panel storage tray and another in the second row, plus front reading lights and a cargo area light.

The XLE grade is a major upgrade and adds 17-inch alloy wheels; Multi-LED headlights with chrome bezels and auto on/off headlamps; fog lights; power tilt/slide moonroof with one-touch open/close and new mesh wind deflector; dual chrome exhaust tips; dual-zone automatic climate control with rear air vents; Smart Key System on front doors and liftgate with push button start, remote keyless entry and remote illuminated entry; rear cargo area cover; four additional USB charging ports, power liftgate, leather-trimmed steering wheel and more.

The new XLE Premium grade builds on that, adding 19-inch super-chrome-finish alloy wheels; SofTex-trimmed seats with 8-way power driver’s seat and 2-way lumbar; and shift handle with sequential mode.

Trail Grade True to Its Name

The Trail grade continues in the all-new 2019 RAV4, equipped for all-weather urban, suburban, and trail exploring. Inheriting design features from Toyota off-roaders, the Trail grade represents the pinnacle of the design team’s Robust theme. It is distinguished by standard high-rise roof rails and larger over-fenders, more aggressive bumper, grille design and fog light surrounds.

The 19-inch, split five-spoke wheels with matte-black accents are exclusive to the Trail grade and wear 235/55R19 tires. The Trail grade backs up its tough stance with 218 mm of ground clearance and rugged functionality for any road. The Trail and Limited grades are equipped with active grille shutters to enhance fuel economy.

To maximize the adventurous look, this RAV4 Trail grade can be ordered with an Ice Edge-coloured roof that is paired with one of three exterior colours: Midnight Black Metallic and Blue Flame are both new for RAV4, while Lunar Rock is new to the Toyota lineup and makes its first appearance on RAV4.

Heated and ventilated front seats are available on the Trail grade, and interior seat finishes come in either black or a grade-exclusive Mocha-coloured SofTex, the latter a brand-new interior finish in the Toyota lineup. Orange stitching accents the interior, with additional orange appointments placed throughout the dashboard.

XSE HV: The Sportiest RAV4

The HV models are the power and acceleration leaders in the RAV4 line with a 7.8-second 0-60. For those who prefer sportier on-road driving dynamics, the XSE HV leads the charge with its sport-tuned suspension, tauter spring and shock absorber tuning, and 18-inch five-spoke, black-painted sport alloy wheels with P225/60R18 tires, capping off a handling package that makes RAV4 XSE HV hungry for the corners.

The look is unique, too, with piano-black accents across the front end, mirror caps, fender arches, and lower rockers. Exclusive to RAV4 HV models, projector-beam LED headlamps and unique signature LED daytime running lamps (on XLE and above) produce a more premium light source.

A standard two-tone exterior paint scheme gives RAV4 XSE HV a striking presence. The standard black roof is paired with Blizzard Pearl, Silver Sky Metallic, Magnetic Gray Metallic, or Blueprint (a new colour to the palette). RAV4 XSE HV’s exclusive interior comes mono-spec with black SofTex material and blue accents throughout.

Limited Grade: Journey Into Luxury

The Limited grade takes the RAV4 into luxury territory. Outside, front and rear bumpers with silver accent garnishes, large black over-fenders, gray metallic-coloured grille, 19-inch alloy wheels and chrome accents set it apart from the other grades. Inside, premium comfort and style come to the forefront with a standard power moonroof and 8-way power-adjustable driver’s seat with memory and 2-way lumbar support. Heated and ventilated perforated front seating, heated perforated rear outboard seating are also available.

RAV4 Limited comes standard with a new 7-inch Multi-Information Display (MID) in the instrument panel, which can, among other functions, display turn-by-turn directions in navigation-equipped vehicles and serve as a digital speedometer.

A power liftgate is standard, and a hands-free power liftgate is available. The Entune Premium Audio with Dynamic Navigation system is standard, which includes an 8-inch touchscreen and 11 JBL speakers.

The Digital Rearview Mirror makes its debut on RAV4 for the first time in a Toyota vehicle in North America and comes standard on Limited and XSE HV grades. By default, the display is a conventional rearview mirror but with the flip of a switch, drivers have an increased field of vision coming through the rearview mirror, showing what is behind the vehicle thanks to a high-mounted, adjustable wide-angle, high-definition camera on the rear of vehicle. At night, the image is brightened. At the same time, glare from headlights and other light sources is eliminated to enhance visibility while reducing eye fatigue."
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My local dealer is getting 2 XLE's and 2 Premiuims(along with some LE's) around December 7th. Red and White. Eww.

They are getting their first LE within a few days for test drives.
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I thought they would be android auto compatible, but according to the us specs only apple carplay compatible. No android love Face With Tears Of Joy

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