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[Epson.ca] 3LCD projectors 40%+ off clearance (refurb) sales.

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CLEARANCE HD PROJECTORS
REFURBS FROM EPSON.CA (720p and 1080p)
Epson provides full warranties on their factory refurbished items. And free shipping.

http://www.epson.ca/cgi-bin/ceStore/Buy ... oid=-13364

*FALL 2016 UPDATE* Best 1080p deal is 2040 for $519

IMO, best performance for buck value is going to be the 730HD for $375. I don't think there is anything better at this price point.
If you want native 1080p and 3D features then they have the 2030 for $639. I ordered a 2030.

They all have different throw distances, offsets, zoom capabilities etc. Do your calculations to see what will work for your intended screen sizes and placements.
https://www.epson.com/alf_upload/landin ... alculator/
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99SiR wrote:
Jan 26th, 2016 7:08 pm
....When does the sale end and is this available in stores there is a 10% off coupon for the 29th I got via email so that would bring this down to $675 which seems like a nice price .....
Staples sale is over now, EX9200 is back up to full price.

However, Epson.ca is doing their clearance sale now. I still think the 730HD refurb is a great price ($375) considering how bright and capable it is, even if 720p native. Next step up in clearance would be the 2030 for 1080p and 3D capabilities ($639).
http://www.epson.ca/cgi-bin/ceStore/Buy ... oid=-13364

They have a bunch of business multimedia projectors on clearance too, if you are in the market for something like that.
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What projector would you guy(s) recommend for gaming?
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Dred wrote:
Jan 27th, 2016 11:17 am
What projector would you guy(s) recommend for gaming?
Also interested in this. How are projectors for PC gaming specifically?
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X-Nemesis wrote:
Jan 27th, 2016 11:25 am
Also interested in this. How are projectors for PC gaming specifically?
It's worth mentioning that unless you're a group of people or can't / don't want to sit in front of the screen, a screen a few feet in front of you will cover as much of your visual field as a projector, or more if you go with multiple monitors.
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Nikhilvoid wrote:
Jan 26th, 2016 4:26 pm
There's no problem with refurb projectors. They always come with new bulbs. I was looking at them, but I got an open box from BHPhoto instead. BHPhototo has good deals on open boxes often, if you have some USD balance.
+1.. I personally bought a refurbished Espon 720p projector from Epson's website a few years ago. Nothing wrong with it at all. Plus, I found Epson's customer service phenomenal. My bulb burst close to the 2 year mark, and I notified them and then shipped a brand new original one for free. Would get Epson again for sure, but now i'm selling mine.. lol.
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That Epson 730HD refurb is really tempting. I have never owned a projector before, so I have no basis of comparison between 720 and 1080. Both my flatscreens are 720, and I am fine with PQ on those. I know it's personal opinion, but for anyone that has made the jump from 720 to 1080, is there a significant difference?
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davidm wrote:
Jan 27th, 2016 11:29 am
It's worth mentioning that unless you're a group of people or can't / don't want to sit in front of the screen, a screen a few feet in front of you will cover as much of your visual field as a projector, or more if you go with multiple monitors.
Isn't there an immersion factor that you cannot replicate with sitting closer or using multiple monitors that one big clear screen will give you? I mean, watching a movie on your 27" 4k monitor while visually great, isn't the same feeling as watching the same movie at the theatre.

Now VR in a few years is something I'm really looking forward to see in person. What will it be like to watch a film or play a beautiful looking game in VR.
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sniper_ wrote:
Jan 27th, 2016 11:31 am
That Epson 730HD refurb is really tempting. I have never owned a projector before, so I have no basis of comparison between 720 and 1080. Both my flatscreens are 720, and I am fine with PQ on those. I know it's personal opinion, but for anyone that has made the jump from 720 to 1080, is there a significant difference?
Depends 720p as oppose 1080p on a 26" monitor won't be noticeable at all. However on a 80" monitor ,which they don't make in 720p. I can only assume you would, as there simply isn't as many Dots Per Inch. Now on an image that's streached 100"+ you certainly would notice a difference...
I would watch the video posted as the reviewer compares an older 720p projector to the new 1080p.. I can see a difference.
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X-Nemesis wrote:
Jan 27th, 2016 11:48 am
Isn't there an immersion factor that you cannot replicate with sitting closer or using multiple monitors that one big clear screen will give you? I mean, watching a movie on your 27" 4k monitor while visually great, isn't the same feeling as watching the same movie at the theatre.

Now VR in a few years is something I'm really looking forward to see in person. What will it be like to watch a film or play a beautiful looking game in VR.
I agree, but movie screens are huge, measured in dozens of feet, not inches.

For me, the noise of projectors really detracts from the immersion, along with requirements around the environment.

I completely agree about VR. It's something I've been fantasizing and trying to prepare for a long time. It's really frustrating to read on forums where comments are staunchly that a projector is "for" watching movies or "for" using with the computer. It really cut shorts quality discussions. Even though I don't play games, gaming projectors will probably be the best ones to focus on for mixed media/VR.
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Dred wrote:
Jan 27th, 2016 11:17 am
What projector would you guy(s) recommend for gaming?
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Jan 27th, 2016 11:25 am
Also interested in this. How are projectors for PC gaming specifically?
I would go with Optoma (I personally have the HD20 from 2009) as they have very input lag. Input lag is the number one concern for a gamer using a projector. I can play games like street fighter with no problems. With that in mind, the Costco Optoma deal is best
http://www.costco.ca/Optoma%C2%AE-HD28D ... 34588.html

And here's a review with a decent focus on gaming
http://www.trustedreviews.com/optoma-hd28dse-review
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Bulletwithbatwings wrote:
Jan 27th, 2016 12:26 pm
I would go with Optoma (I personally have the HD20 from 2009) as they have very input lag. Input lag is the number one concern for a gamer using a projector. I can play games like street fighter with no problems. With that in mind, the Costco Optoma deal is best
http://www.costco.ca/Optoma%C2%AE-HD28D ... 34588.html

And here's a review with a decent focus on gaming
http://www.trustedreviews.com/optoma-hd28dse-review
Ya that's what I was thinking, when I mentioned the hd28dse.
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I think the 730HD should be perfectly good for gaming and is likely the best value right now if you are willing to get a refurb.
I can't find any response time data for that model, but the 750HD is 40-50ms.
You get the advantage of much brighter colours and no rainbow effect by using a 3LCD projector.

Unless you are a competitive FPS gamer, I don't think you need to worry about input lag. Since this is a lower end entry level model, it doesn't have a bunch of fancy frame processing that slows the input>output down. I've been gaming on a projector from 2003 and never noticed any lag, and I don't notice any on the EX9200 either. I think this only becomes an issue at 100+ ms lag for cinema projectors that do a lot of image processing by default.

http://youtu.be/dvtnFoOqWRY
In my video between 4:20 and 4:50, I'm showing my old 1024x768 projector with a 1080p input signal vs the new 1920x1200 native projector with a 1080p input signal.

Besides the much improved brightness and color gamut of my new projector, there was a major reduction in screen door effect, with a x2+ increase in native pixel density. I was able to get the new projector even clearer and sharper after mounting and doing some setting tweaks (increase sharpness, increase noise reduction)

Keep in mind that a 720p native projo will display a 1080p input with scaling, and it might still look better than a 720p input image from a normal 10+ feet away viewing distance on a 90"+ screen.
On my XGA projector, I found that 1080p input signal looked a lot better than 720p input signal. That can depends on the projector scaling quality though so each brand/model might differ here.

Converting non-native signal formats to native resolution (info from projector central)

When a projector gets a signal that does not match its native resolution, it must convert that signal to the format of its native resolution in order to display it properly. This conversion process is commonly referred to as scaling.

So for example, let's assume you have a video projector with a native resolution of 1280x720 that is capable of displaying an HDTV 1080i signal. That means that the projector's physical pixel matrix is 1280 pixels wide by 720 pixels in height. However, each frame of video in an HDTV 1080i signal contains 1920x1080 pixels, which is a lot more than the projector has on its physical display. So in order to display the 1080i signal the projector must compress it into a 1280x720 format. It can do this because it has been programmed to do the compression from 1920x1080 to 1280x720. Furthermore, if 1920x1080 is the highest resolution that your projector has been programmed to recognize and compress into its native display, then 1920x1080 is known as the maximum resolution of that projector.
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Netcruzer wrote:
Jan 27th, 2016 1:20 pm
I think the 730HD should be perfectly good for gaming and is likely the best value right now if you are willing to get a refurb.
I can't find any response time data for that model, but the 750HD is 40-50ms.
You get the advantage of much brighter colours and no rainbow effect by using a 3LCD projector.

Unless you are a competitive FPS gamer, I don't think you need to worry about input lag. Since this is a lower end entry level model, it doesn't have a bunch of fancy frame processing that slows the input>output down. I've been gaming on a projector from 2003 and never noticed any lag, and I don't notice any on the EX9200 either. I think this only becomes an issue at 100+ ms lag for cinema projectors that do a lot of image processing by default.
Yeah, as long as it's somewhere near the 40-50 mark, I think it'll be fine. There are projectors with even lower input lag times (30 and below), but 40-50 should be ok for most people. My only concern is that the contrast for the 730HD isn't great. It's mentioned in this Wirecutter comparison, and I saw it mentioned in a couple other places as well.
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Netcruzer wrote:
Jan 27th, 2016 9:30 am
Staples sale is over now, EX9200 is back up to full price.

However, Epson.ca is doing their clearance sale now. I still think the 730HD refurb is a great price ($375) considering how bright and capable it is, even if 720p native. Next step up in clearance would be the 2030 for 1080p and 3D capabilities ($639).
http://www.epson.ca/cgi-bin/ceStore/Buy ... oid=-13364

They have a bunch of business multimedia projectors on clearance too, if you are in the market for something like that.
Looking for a projector for presentations... which one which you recommend for that? Still the 730HD for $375?

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