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88℅ of manufacturing job loss since 2000 due to automation and technology

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What's next? Robot delivering fast food?

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Cheapo-Findo wrote:
Mar 1st, 2017 10:54 am
What's next? Robot delivering fast food?
What the video in the op, the entrepeneur featured say in 5 years you may have drones or self driving cars delivering the pizza.
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blaznazn22 wrote:
Mar 1st, 2017 10:52 am
You heard about it 20 years ago and it happened 29 years ago. All those manufacturing jobs in car plants were wiped out by automation. Now we're at the next stage. Part deux is automation of the highly skilled and educated working class because of artificial intelligence and machine learning. We're on the brink of autonomous cars. That literally means the end of taxi drivers, of truck drivers, delivery drivers. Those jobs make up millions of people's incomes. It will happen over the next 5 years. If government doesn't interfere with regulations it is going to be ugly.
It wasn't very ugly when manufacture workers were forced out, so why would it be ugly now? People will learn new skills and move to new jobs. And it will not happen over the next 5 years. I highly doubt we will have fully autonomous cars in 5 years, let alone them being popular and trustworthy.

If somebody can be replaced by a machine right now, they are not highly skilled and educated. The work has to be highly repetitive and involves no creativity. It is also likely to be not mobile. It would be far more interesting to see general robots who can walk upright, having batteries that last all day and can use all tools humans can use. That day is coming, but it would not be in the near term.
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Archanfel wrote:
Mar 1st, 2017 12:21 pm
It wasn't very ugly when manufacture workers were forced out, so why would it be ugly now? People will learn new skills and move to new jobs. And it will not happen over the next 5 years. I highly doubt we will have fully autonomous cars in 5 years, let alone them being popular and trustworthy.

If somebody can be replaced by a machine right now, they are not highly skilled and educated. The work has to be highly repetitive and involves no creativity. It is also likely to be not mobile. It would be far more interesting to see general robots who can walk upright, having batteries that last all day and can use all tools humans can use. That day is coming, but it would not be in the near term.
Its 2017, self-driving cars will be here in less than 3 years. Whether the gov hampers it with artificial regulations, no idea. I'm pretty sure they'll actually be here by end of next year actually (2018), just not in mass-produced form since it takes the Factory time to re-tool.

If you're highly skilled and educated, you might be artificially excluded from certain jobs. Folks with Medical, Law and Engineering degrees from abroad become taxi drivers in Toronto because bodies don't recognize their education. To throw them under the autonomous bus is cruel and we'll need to change our social structure to accommodate folks that are unable to get the menial jobs we have now.
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blaznazn22 wrote:
Mar 1st, 2017 10:52 am
You heard about it 20 years ago and it happened 29 years ago. All those manufacturing jobs in car plants were wiped out by automation. Now we're at the next stage. Part deux is automation of the highly skilled and educated working class because of artificial intelligence and machine learning. We're on the brink of autonomous cars. That literally means the end of taxi drivers, of truck drivers, delivery drivers. Those jobs make up millions of people's incomes. It will happen over the next 5 years. If government doesn't interfere with regulations it is going to be ugly.
I don't believe it will mean the end of these workers to any large degree. This kind of thing would take a massive investment from individual businesses, and many won't bother or won't be able to. My boss is a pizza franchise owner, and spends nothing on his delivery drivers (fee paid by customer pays the driver, so zero overhead), and minimum wage workers are cheap. On a regular business day he will have a mix of maybe 16 hours of total wages to pay, so like $200. Imagine having to dump hundreds of thousands of dollars into each robot to do the job of what a pair of hands can do with minimal mistakes, and buy/lease 4 self-driving cars to keep around during peak rush time (4 would get used on Friday and Saturday, only 1-2 used from Sunday to Thursday). That's a lot of investment for daily sales of $3000.

He doesn't even want to upgrade his 20 year old oven for $20,000 to shave 2 minutes off the cook time (current time, 7 mins) and increase energy efficiency.

While the potential might be there, massive investment like this has to be worth it and probably only worth it on massive installations. The car analogy works because cars are sold for tens of thousands of dollars, produced in massive quantities, and don't really degrade like food products do.

I'm sure delissios are made this way though, since they can mass produce and stuff them in the freezer.
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Archanfel wrote:
Mar 1st, 2017 12:21 pm
It wasn't very ugly when manufacture workers were forced out, so why would it be ugly now? People will learn new skills and move to new jobs. And it will not happen over the next 5 years. I highly doubt we will have fully autonomous cars in 5 years, let alone them being popular and trustworthy.

If somebody can be replaced by a machine right now, they are not highly skilled and educated. The work has to be highly repetitive and involves no creativity. It is also likely to be not mobile. It would be far more interesting to see general robots who can walk upright, having batteries that last all day and can use all tools humans can use. That day is coming, but it would not be in the near term.
you fail to see the point. At first, robots were only taking "low end" jobs that didn't require much skill. Now its moving up, and replacing jobs that require college degrees ie the mortgage officers, lawyers, paralegals, computer programmers, personal financial advisors. Even the jobs that weren't high skill but still provides a solid chunk of this countries economy, ie taxi drivers, truck drivers etc. What kind of jobs will be safe from AI in the near future? Maybe the janitors? Neurosurgeons? What else? You know what will REALLY be funny is when these AI's become programmed to run businesses.
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Automation is a boon for countries like Canada. Massive immigration has created a situation where we're forced to prioritize protection of low skill jobs at the expense of everyone. We should be using automation to make up for shortfalls in our job market not "cheap" immigrant labour that creates more strain on our social services.

Necessity is the mother of invention. Instead of expecting companies to innovate and automate we subsidize them with "cheap" labour and we fall further behind.
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blaznazn22 wrote:
Mar 1st, 2017 2:18 pm
you fail to see the point. At first, robots were only taking "low end" jobs that didn't require much skill. Now its moving up, and replacing jobs that require college degrees ie the mortgage officers, lawyers, paralegals, computer programmers, personal financial advisors. Even the jobs that weren't high skill but still provides a solid chunk of this countries economy, ie taxi drivers, truck drivers etc. What kind of jobs will be safe from AI in the near future? Maybe the janitors? Neurosurgeons? What else? You know what will REALLY be funny is when these AI's become programmed to run businesses.
Everyone's high level paying job will one day be an entry level one.
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blaznazn22 wrote:
Mar 1st, 2017 2:18 pm
you fail to see the point. At first, robots were only taking "low end" jobs that didn't require much skill. Now its moving up, and replacing jobs that require college degrees ie the mortgage officers, lawyers, paralegals, computer programmers, personal financial advisors. Even the jobs that weren't high skill but still provides a solid chunk of this countries economy, ie taxi drivers, truck drivers etc. What kind of jobs will be safe from AI in the near future? Maybe the janitors? Neurosurgeons? What else? You know what will REALLY be funny is when these AI's become programmed to run businesses.
Nothing is safe from AI in the far future. Most of the jobs are safe from AI in the near future. AIs are already running businesses, but only in routine jobs. They can't be the CEO. They also can't be personal financial advisors since their job is to pressure/trick customers into buying expensive mutual funds, we don't know how to make machines lie effectively. Anything creative (including lying) is safe from AI in the near future.
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The future of AI and robotics is inevitable. Science just needs to invent a magic pill so we're not entirely dependent on food.
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Archanfel wrote:
Mar 1st, 2017 4:35 pm
Nothing is safe from AI in the far future. Most of the jobs are safe from AI in the near future. AIs are already running businesses, but only in routine jobs. They can't be the CEO. They also can't be personal financial advisors since their job is to pressure/trick customers into buying expensive mutual funds, we don't know how to make machines lie effectively. Anything creative (including lying) is safe from AI in the near future.
lying is easy for an AI. All it needs to do is to run a cost/benefit analysis and then take the appropriate action that leads to the best outcome. What humans do but in a much faster time and more detailed. Creativity isn't easily defined. Creativity is largely gained from experience and life...an AI with machine learning connected to the cloud will also become "creative" as time goes on. Again, the AI future is moving fast, very fast. Right now were talking about the onset of AI. What will we be talking about in 20 years from now? That is really not a long way away.
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blaznazn22 wrote:
Mar 1st, 2017 2:18 pm
you fail to see the point. At first, robots were only taking "low end" jobs that didn't require much skill. Now its moving up, and replacing jobs that require college degrees ie the mortgage officers, lawyers, paralegals, computer programmers, personal financial advisors. Even the jobs that weren't high skill but still provides a solid chunk of this countries economy, ie taxi drivers, truck drivers etc. What kind of jobs will be safe from AI in the near future? Maybe the janitors? Neurosurgeons? What else? You know what will REALLY be funny is when these AI's become programmed to run businesses.
yep. this will be the most painful decade of humanity as we watch computers take over everything.

the next 10 years will be the biggest change humanity has ever witnessed.
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http://www.zmescience.com/other/economi ... -03022017/
According to Monetary Watch, the Changying Precision Technology Company focuses on the production of mobile phones and uses automated production lines. The factory used to be run by 650 employees, but now just 60 people get the entire job done, while robots take care of the rest. Luo Weiqiang, the general manager, says the number of required employees will drop to 20 at one point. Despite this reduction in staff, not only is the factory producing more equipment (a 250% increase), but it’s also ensuring better quality.
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The rise of the machines have started. RIP to humans in the workplace.
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