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GUELPH

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Thanks everyone for your opinion, I was not trying to commit fraud but was looking for a LEGAL way to lower the custom fees if possible. Let's not be too fast to jump to conclusions here. Maybe I should have been a bit more specific on my post. If there isn't any possible way to LEGALLY lower the custom fees for the package, I have no problem paying for them at the door. Although it'll be a big fee, what can I do, right? Hope you all have a merry Christmas.
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How big is the package size? Is it a tv or small jewelry.
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Trying to commit fraud I see.
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you can save on brokerage by do the paper work by yourself.
Taxes--> you cannot save.
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starboy869 wrote:
Dec 24th, 2013 6:30 pm
Trying to commit fraud I see.
some fraud are ok
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What was the item? you may be hit with Taxes, Duty and brokerage.
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polloloco wrote:
Dec 24th, 2013 6:27 pm
Would the seller have to pay anything if the package were to be denied and sent back?
Yes, and you would be billed for the return shipping plus maybe other incurred costs by the seller and FedEx.

On shoes, the duty rate is going to be 16%, not 7% as in the example you linked.

Tax will of course be 13% on the $4,000 item, plus on brokerage and advancement fee.

Assuming we are talking Ground shipment. Brokerage may not apply if air or express shipping was selected.

Refuse the shipment ONLY on the basis of disputing the amount payable to FedEx, and have the package returned to their depot (NOT back to the sender).

Then find out about how you can clear the shipment yourself and avoid the $80 or so brokerage fee, and the advancement fee.

If you can afford expensive shoes, you can afford the $1,300 or so tax and duty you will be paying, regardless of who does the importation.

Merry Christmas, but lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part, Christmas Eve or not.
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polloloco wrote:
Dec 24th, 2013 6:27 pm
NEED HELP PLEASE AND THANK YOU IN ADVANCE. Long story short, something was bought for $4000 from the states and the seller marked it at full value, shipped through FedEx. Need any help possible to cut down on taxes/brokerage fees. Would it be possible to deny the package and have it re-sent but valued less? Would customs be suspicious? Would the seller have to pay anything if the package were to be denied and sent back? HAPPY HOLIDAYS AND THANK YOU IN ADVANCE AGAIN.
I wouldn't consider it urgent that you're paying correct tax on a correctly declared item. Why on earth do people buy things from other countries if they aren't expecting to pay taxes and/or duties when importing the item into Canada?

Firstly, would be possible to deny the package, but your seller could be liable for additional fees.
Secondly, underdeclaring an item carries several risks. Firstly, insurance. If the item gets lost or damaged, the insurance will only cover the declared amount. Secondly, if Customs feels the item was under declared, the item could be seized and you would be subject to penalties including the unpaid tax and duty, PLUS a punitive amount…so you'd actually wind up paying more. Of course, if the sender makes an intentionally false declaration, they too are subject to legal action.

You bought the item from another country. You're subject to taxes. If you can afford to buy something for $4000, you can afford the taxes on the item. If you can't afford the taxes, don't buy the item. Problem solved.

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starboy869 wrote:
Dec 24th, 2013 6:30 pm
Trying to commit fraud I see.
Yup...and op.....not urgent either
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MS MSP wrote:
Dec 24th, 2013 9:24 pm
Yup...and op.....not urgent either
Op urgently wants to commit fraud.
And urgently wants it documented on the internet for all to see.
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polloloco wrote:
Dec 24th, 2013 6:27 pm
Thanks everyone for your opinion, I was not trying to commit fraud but was looking for a LEGAL way to lower the custom fees if possible.
You thought that making a false declaration on a customs form to undervalue a package would possibly be legal? The only legal way to reduce fees is to clear the item through Customs yourself, thereby avoiding brokerage costs from the courier company. Otherwise, there's not much else I can think of.
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Alright thank you and for future references do you know Custom's stance on values? Should/Could they be marked retail price or?
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polloloco wrote:
Dec 25th, 2013 2:05 am
Alright thank you and for future references do you know Custom's stance on values? Should/Could they be marked retail price or?
Naturally they're interested in what you paid for the item. if in doubt, they can ask for proof of value and if they still don't believe you, they can do their own research and base it on retail or market value.

No, there's no way of having a valuation less than $4000 if you paid $4000 for the item.
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