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Accident: TTC bus almost T-boned me.. What are my options?

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Accident: TTC bus almost T-boned me.. What are my options?

Driving southbound on Jane, 3 lanes, I am in furthest right lane, see 2 busses stopped at pick-up spot dropping/picking up passengers.
Proceed to make left-lane change (now in middle of three lanes) to avoid stopped busses, bus closest to me turns on signal indicating plan to depart from terminal,
I see this and proceed to make another lane change into furthest left lane, bus continues to depart from terminal and passes both lanes in one motion, proceeding to hit my mid/back right-side, bus is shown occupying all three lanes in photos, indicative of double abrupt lane change (driver denies).

Driver clearly did not look before departing into 2nd lane, maybe he did for first-lane but there is no way you cannot see a vehicle in-front of you, 2 lanes to the left of your respective lane unless you are completely out to lunch.

TTC driving at first tries to argue yield rule applies, my logic is yielding should not apply as I am:

1. 2-Lanes away from departing bus
2. Passing/Past the TTC bus.

TTC supervisor shows up, takes statement, provides TTC insurance details, proceed to tow car, report accident etc.

Now I drive a 2013 Genesis coupe with damage likely in the neighbourhood of $6000-10000 (can't tell if any structural issue yet).
Car even if repaired will become a nightmare to sell, no one in their right mind would want $15,000-17,000 sports car with that large of an accident.

What are my options here? Don't feel like I should be penalized for this drivers mistake but any outcome seems like I am going to be at a loss financially.

Will include photos soon, any suggestions wanted and welcomed.
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Shitty situation. Unfortunately without dash cam you may be found at least partially at fault for not yielding since it looks like it's your word vs his. Are there any other witnesses?
Please post photos and google map of location.
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Best of luck claiming dimishished value. Your bigger concern will be the at fault.
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dont TTC buses have their own cameras(that face the exit doors? if so, even if it didnt have the accident on tape, it will have the vehicle movement across lanes.
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Dash cam not on, plenty of photos to come..

First accident, a little shook, just trying to get any help thanks for the replies.

Edit: Asked TTV supervisor if cameras were active and had any view of road; yes they were, no I cannot see them, but they will review them.
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Take it to the news. TTC always gives in when they have bad spotlight on them.
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molombian wrote:
May 17th, 2017 10:13 am
Take it to the news. TTC always gives in when they have bad spotlight on them.

Is it too late the day after?
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You should have insisted to have TTC driver tested for drinking lol

But I hope you are found not at fault here. It could be tricky with TTC. I am assuming you already contacted your insurance. Bring up the diminished resale value to your insurance guy but I think you most likely will have to eat those costs like with any regular accident.

I don't think going to try news will help. These things happen all the time. Best leave it to the insurance to fight this
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I see buses do this all the time in Brampton as well. They have a stop on the right side of three lanes and then just swerve across all traffic to get to the turning lane 50m up.

Hopefully with photos + the fact he hit your mid to rear section would keep the TTC driver at fault
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This kind of ****ery is the reason that I have front and rear cams.

Anyone tries to spin things in their favour.....stfu, the eye in the sky sees all.
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I am not convinced that you won't be found at fault here. There will be an argument that you disregarded the "yield" sign/law, since this is Toronto.

Good luck. There is no way to argue diminished return on your car. But if it's any consolation, used Genesis aren't really flying off the lots, so you'll most likely drive this car into the ground.
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You are supposed to yield but he hit your rear quarter meaning that he turned right into you. Not that I have any legal or expert opinion on this but if he hit your rear quarter, that means you've already passed him and he made a dangerous lane change without checking. Even emergency vehicles with sirens on are supposed to check before safely (keyword: safely) proceeding.

On another note, how fast was he darting into your lane to cause 6K worth of damage to your car? Unless I'm picturing this incorrectly

Good luck OP
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axis81 wrote:
May 17th, 2017 10:40 am
You are supposed to yield but he hit your rear quarter meaning that he turned right into you. Not that I have any legal or expert opinion on this but if he hit your rear quarter, that means you've already passed him and he made a dangerous lane change without checking. Even emergency vehicles with sirens on are supposed to check before safely (keyword: safely) proceeding.

On another note, how fast was he darting into your lane to cause 6K worth of damage to your car? Unless I'm picturing this incorrectly

Good luck OP
I think we can probably help more if we saw some pictures. If the rear quarter is damaged to cause 6k of damage, we're talking about new door, wheel/tire, windows, fender, rear bumper, and maybe even the lid. If this is hte case, it could have been OP sliding through the TTC car as the TTC was turning out. This is not a good situation for OP, I think it can easily turn into a 50/50 or entirely OPs fault.
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Anikiri wrote:
May 17th, 2017 10:40 am
I am not convinced that you won't be found at fault here. There will be an argument that you disregarded the "yield" sign/law, since this is Toronto.

Good luck. There is no way to argue diminished return on your car. But if it's any consolation, used Genesis aren't really flying off the lots, so you'll most likely drive this car into the ground.
Photos should clear this part up, was past the vehicle, yield shouldn't apply if I'm already past, 2 lanes to left thats my reasoning at least...
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Hey OP, there was an eerie similar thread on RFD a while ago, I searched but cannot find it. The driver was clipped by a transit bus, I think it was VIA at I believe Finch. He was able to get to view the cameras and was found not at fault, the bus was. Sorry but I couldn't find it. Perhaps someone else remembers the same thread and can either post more details or a link.

It's possible the tags were not even close?
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