African-American Man Kicked Out of Bar

[Hitman21]

http://now.msn.com/now/0619-racist-bar-protest

A man was kicked out of a bar in Raliegh, North Carolina because he was black. The manager of the bar accosted him and a confrontation erupted and he was kicked out of the bar. After being kicked out and assaulted he called the police who told him that this isn't uncommon and there was nothing they could do. Now he is using social media to bring more attention to the incident. This bar also had numerous other incidents where black people were denied entry.

There is racism in this world but its hard to believe that stuff like this still happens

This case brings up some very important issues, should the bar have the right to deny him entry? Why would someone want to go to a bar like this if they know they will face discrimination? What should the police have done in this case since if they were to help him get in as soon as they leave he would be kicked out.

Discuss

[koalorka]

A business has the right to deny service at their own discretion. This is pretty much a non-issue.

[flashy_mcflash]

Racism is wrong and it needs to be stopped

they are limiting his freedoms

[stealth]

I hope this isnt true....but the key point IMO is

...The reason, according to him? He's black....

would be nice to hear the other side of the story....you know, in case HE WAS BLACK and intoxicated and aggressive or something.


Story doesnt say much.
I see nothing wrong with imposing a dress code....theres no law or gene that requires blacks to wear baggy thug wear and prevents them from dressing like a prison inmate. Funny, the blacks I know are among the best dressed in our circle, always looking sharp and they dont seem to run into these situations.

[Tabooger]

http://now.msn.com/now/0619-racist-bar-protest

A man was kicked out of a bar in Raliegh, North Carolina because he was black. The manager of the bar accosted him and a confrontation erupted and he was kicked out of the bar. After being kicked out and assaulted he called the police who told him that this isn't uncommon and there was nothing they could do. Now he is using social media to bring more attention to the incident. This bar also had numerous other incidents where black people were denied entry.

There is racism in this world but its hard to believe that stuff like this still happens

This case brings up some very important issues, should the bar have the right to deny him entry? Why would someone want to go to a bar like this if they know they will face discrimination? What should the police have done in this case since if they were to help him get in as soon as they leave he would be kicked out.

Discuss

You need to get out more. It's everywhere. Couple of months ago we went out to a restaurant, and this waitress showed us the table and never took our orders. She passed us by around 6 times, didn't look at us at all. She was just talking to her co-workers standing a few feet away from us. Some other waiter finally noticed we haven't even had drinks, and came over and helped us. The manager came out and apologized and they gave each of us a free dessert. I don't know what to think of it, she might've had her reasons, but under the circumstances it was something to think about. Maybe I'm thinking too much into it, but regardless of any situation, I look at it this way, for every racists out there, there's a 100 more that aren't. World is a better place that way.

You can't change people, the guy should just find a different bar. This will probably get locked anyway We should talk about green and pink people in OT these days..

[Shaner]

I can't read the article, but just because he claims he was kicked out only because he's black, doesn't make it true. There's also two sides to a story.

Also, the police cannot tell a business owner to let someone back into the establishment, doesn't matter why they were kicked out. The police enforce criminal laws, they don't enforce human rights issues, nor do they generally get involved in civil matters.

[stealth]

You need to get out more. It's everywhere. Couple of months ago we went out to a restaurant, and this waitress showed us the table and never took our orders. She passed us by around 6 times, didn't look at us at all. She was just talking to her co-workers standing a few feet away from us. Some other waiter finally noticed we haven't even had drinks, and came over and helped us. The manager came out and apologized and they gave each of us a free dessert. I don't know what to think of it, she might've had her reasons, but under the circumstances it was something to think about. Maybe I'm thinking too much into it, but regardless of any situation, I look at it this way, for every racists out there, there's a 100 more that aren't. World is a better place that way.

You can't change people, the guy should just find a different bar. This will probably get locked anyway We should talk about green and pink people in OT these days..

An anecdote doesnt really count for much...Im white and Ive gotten crappy service from a restaurant server before...Must it have been racism? Perhaps a self-loathing white server? lol
Some ppl just suck at their job or have a bad attitude towards it.
***t happens

[flashy_mcflash]

In all seriousness, making a public stink about this is the best avenue here, and is a big part of why sites like RFD/Consumerist/etc are valuable. Bars are a dime a dozen and alienating your clientele can mean death for a business. Hit 'em where it hurts.

[sylpherware]

Could this be the reason?


Either way, denying service is not illegal. It's ethically wrong if it was due to racial reasons, but not illegal; therefore cops can't do anything.

[longitude]

+1

[Metagame]

This isn't racism. No one's right to freedom or pursuit of happiness is being infringed upon. This is simply a businessman who refuses to do business with another for whatever reason and wants that person off of their property, and they should have their right to refuse to serve and kick out anyone they want on any criteria (race, sex, age, class, etc). After all, no one forced him to go to the bar.

[Simaahoy]

Highly doubt he got kicked out because he's black, more likely because the way he's dressed.

[Hitman21]

I hope this isnt true....but the key point IMO is

would be nice to hear the other side of the story....you know, in case HE WAS BLACK and intoxicated and aggressive or something.


Story doesnt say much.
I see nothing wrong with imposing a dress code....theres no law or gene that requires blacks to wear baggy thug wear and prevents them from dressing like a prison inmate. Funny, the blacks I know are among the best dressed in our circle, always looking sharp and they dont seem to run into these situations.

Good point stealth but the guy was a Harvard bound student, its possible he could have been dressed as a "gangster" but its also possible that he was dressed normally and like the other people. As well many other black people reported being refused entry to this particular bar and his own cousin earlier in the day was denied entry.

[stealth]

Good point stealth but the guy was a Harvard bound student, its possible he could have been dressed as a "gangster" but its also possible that he was dressed normally and like the other people. As well many other black people reported being refused entry to this particular bar and his own cousin earlier in the day was denied entry.

Sure it was possible...and it was possible that race wasnt a factor. Its possible his cousin and other rejected patrons didnt adhere to the dress code or other rules. ..Lots of things are "possible". I just wish the media would get the whole story straight before inciting racial tensions and possibly damaging a business' income and reputation.
If it turns out to be false, I hope the bar owner sues the media agency that published the story as well as the student (likely no $ though). There needs to be some accountability for false accusations.

[D-Roc]

First it is Raleigh, NC. There is still racism there and it is pretty obvious. To say "..its hard to believe that stuff like this still happens." is frankly naive. It happens. Especially in the south.


Second, the guy who was kicked out is assuming it was because he is Black. While it may have been true in this case, reading some of his blog, no where does the story seem to go the racism route. The bar can restrict anyone the want from coming in. If that means that you need to be a regular (Bouncer said many times and to his cousin, that he has never seen them before), well then so be it. The other people he saw enter after showing their ID, that could be all that was needed for the membership. The Bouncer could have known them as regulars. Inside, if he did not look like he was ordering, he is taking up valuable space for paying customers. Not to say he would not have bought a drink.

There is soooooo much more to his story that is not being told and besides. It is in NC. Not Toronto.