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Apr 23, 2008
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elnady wrote:
Apr 24th, 2008 9:28 pm
I actually work for A/C company so let me give you guys some info...

Best A/C out there: American Standard/Trane (they are one company)

Wanna buy an A/C go for a R-134 unit
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R134 is used in car air conditioners, not in residential.
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Nov 12, 2006
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Ottawa, Ontario
American Standard/Trane are the top brands

Trane dealers in Ottawa:

EN Blue Heating and Air Conditioning www.enblue.com
Direct Energy
Francis HVAC (not sure of their address)
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fiiibra wrote:
Apr 25th, 2008 2:36 pm
American Standard/Trane are the top brands
Top brand = Most Hyped brand

Carrier and Goodman use the same compressor made by Copeland. This is the best compressor in the industry. Trane (Am Stand) with their proprietary stuff is nowhere close to Copeland. But how many people know about Goodman? Meanwhile Goodman gives life time warranty on compressor. http://www.cozyworld.ca/goodman-air-con ... ssx14.html

Can Trane or even Carrier match it? Always follow the money. If the manufacturer believes in its product, it puts descent warranty behind it. As simple as that.
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Jan 12, 2007
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gm10 wrote:
Apr 25th, 2008 2:24 pm
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R134 is used in car air conditioners, not in residential.
Nope, R-134A are used in Cars, Residential A/C and chillers.

Here is the most commen type:

R-11 (Won't be able to use any chiller with R-11 as of 2012)
R-12 (banned now)
R-22 (banned as of 2010)
R-123 (no new equipment to be manufactured using R-123 as of 2030)
R-134A (no cars shall use them in the California as of 2012 and in some parts of Europe as of 2010)
R-407C
R-410A
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gm10 wrote:
Apr 25th, 2008 3:24 pm
Top brand = Most Hyped brand

Carrier and Goodman use the same compressor made by Copeland. This is the best compressor in the industry. Trane (Am Stand) with their proprietary stuff is nowhere close to Copeland. But how many people know about Goodman? Meanwhile Goodman gives life time warranty on compressor. http://www.cozyworld.ca/goodman-air-con ... ssx14.html

Can Trane or even Carrier match it? Always follow the money. If the manufacturer believes in its product, it puts descent warranty behind it. As simple as that.

Copeland is a great compressor but your A/C is not a compressor only... What type of Tx valve the A/C manufacturer use, type of unit controls, type of finns and at what FPM (Feet per minute) the face flow on the coil are (above 560 or below 560 FPM??) now look at the furance, what type of burner, again what type of controls, fan capacitors, etc etc etc..

Now having a life time warranty on compressor is a good thing but here is what it reads in the warranty info:

To the original owner and his or her spouse (“owner&#8221 ;) , the
COMPRESSOR is warranted for the owner’s LIFETIME or for so
long as the owner owns the home in which the unit was originally
installed (whichever ends first), and all remaining parts are
warranted for a period of 10 YEARS, except as provided below.
These warranties apply only if:
1) The unit is installed in an owner-occupied, single family
residence, and
2) For lifetime warranty coverage on the compressor, the unit is
installed with a new indoor coil or air handler to which it is
properly matched by the installer, and
3) The unit is properly registered with Goodman online within 60
days after the original installation. To register, follow the
instructions found at www.goodmanmfg.com.

So you do get life time material warranty,,, no labour warranty on the unit,, so lets do the math:

compressor avg. life: 30 years
Compressor cost (baed on 2 tons unit) $400 (you pay 800-1000 for it!)
labour cost,,, $60/hour (you pay $150/hour)
Avarge repair time on compressor 4 hours

so it will cost me $400 for a compressor and I will charge you 4hours of labour at $360 profit, pretty much it even out.. Then I will charge you for a new valve, new piping insulation, etc and this is where I make my money, and hey are you going to live 30 years in the same house??? you move, you lose the warranty!!!

I have been in this bussiness for 15 years.. Always look for LABOUR and material warranty, the more you get the better the unit is.

Edit... Please review this link:
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/appl ... /index.htm
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Dec 4, 2001
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Toronto
I was recently quoted on the following:

Make: Hiel (Was told they are made by International Comfort / KeepRite)
SEER13
3.5 Tonne
R410 Refrigerant

For $3400 installed.

What's your expert opinion(s) on this?

Thanks in advance,
-E
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majesus wrote:
Oct 30th, 2007 11:08 am
I remember someone once posted: If crap was free, no one wants it, when crap is expensive no one wants it, but if crap is expensive and had a pricing error, it is a sell out.
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Mar 25, 2003
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Markham
I just had
a Carrier Performance series
15 Seer
2 Ton
Puron
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Apr 24, 2006
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nobody has mentioned Lennox. any ideas as I was thinking of getting one.
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Jun 27, 2005
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Keigotw wrote:
Apr 25th, 2008 4:51 pm
I just had
a Carrier Performance series
15 Seer
2 Ton
Puron
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Apr 23, 2008
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elnady wrote:
Apr 25th, 2008 4:04 pm
Nope, R-134A are used in... Residential A/C...
Could you post here a major manufacturer's AC running on R-134A?
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Apr 23, 2008
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Empz wrote:
Apr 25th, 2008 4:24 pm
I was recently quoted on the following:

Make: Hiel (Was told they are made by International Comfort / KeepRite)
SEER13
3.5 Tonne
R410 Refrigerant

For $3400 installed.

What's your expert opinion(s) on this?

Thanks in advance,
-E
Empz, this is Heil, not Hiel, :) but you'd be overpaying anyway. For less than $3K you can get get nice 14 SEER air conditioner with a scroll compressor and life time warranties.
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Oct 24, 2006
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Toronto
A friend of mine got a 2 Ton 14 SEER / 2.5 Ton Coil Goodman a/c system for $2200 including taxes during 2006 with 6 months interestfree terms. Also he got $500 Cool Savings Rebate cheque from the Conservation Bureau. Net cost $1700. He is quite happy with it. Before deciding on Goodman he shopped around & got v.high quotes from Direct Energy and Sears for older & less efficient systems.

Goodman's Warranty is quite impressive:
Compressor: Lifetime!
Parts: 10 years
Labour: 5 years
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elnady wrote:
Apr 25th, 2008 12:48 pm
My second choice would be York if I have to save some money, quite louder unit but they are still good.. Carrier would be the least of my choice. Outside those three manufacturers I would not buy any other units.
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Can you comment on the noise produced by the York 18 SEER model and the Carrier 19 SEER Infinity model? The specs indicate that the York is about 1dB-2dB louder, but, that seems too little to determine if one is louder than the other unless they are running along side each other.

Since you've been in the business for a while, have you ever come across a 3 piece Carrier unit? This is where the compressor is separate and normally sits alongside the air handler. Do you know if the external fan unit of these 3 piece systems make about the same amount of noise compared to the new Carrier 19 SEER units? I'm replacing my 20 year old 3 piece Carrier heat pump system with a new heat pump system and I've been told the sound produced by the old system makes more noise than the new 2 piece Carrier/York systems even though the compressors are now installed in the external unit. Can you comment?
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Sep 2, 2003
458 posts
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Richmond Hill
Had the AC unit installed today

Goodman 2.5T 13 seer - not alot of noise as much as I thought it would have.

Great job by Cozy World and his installers, very professional install. I would seriously recommend him to others.

Good luck everyone...
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