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Alberta Imposes Carbon Tax

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^^^ Very true, Trevor.

Heard three random estimates on the radio today, of increased costs in Alberta.
1/ sheet metal will cost more than 10% more
2/ cost of a septic tank will be 10% more
3/ manufacturing concrete powder 20% to 30% more (lots of energy req'd to make it)

So it's quite clear that any kind of construction using materials made in AB will be more expensive.

And then there's this:
On Monday, ... Albertans learned that Koch Oil Sands had recently informed the Alberta Energy Regulator it was indefinitely postponing it’s $800-million Muskwa project in northeastern Alberta and with it about 300 jobs.

Koch’s vice-president Byron Lutes said “regulatory uncertainty around the Climate Leadership Program … from carbon tax to the emissions cap” killed the project. Lutes explained there was just no way in the short- or mid-term for Koch to make money in the oilsands thanks to NDP taxes and legislation.

source: http://www.edmontonsun.com/2016/12/19/r ... nsequences
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IrwinW wrote:
Dec 20th, 2016 12:32 pm
Alberta carbon tax calculator: How much will you pay — or get back?

This tool will help you estimate how Alberta's new carbon tax will impact you.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/m ... -1.3900339
$130 in 2017, then $200 in 2018 ... not too bad. I even doubled my fuel and gas consumption, as it's colder in Alberta than where I live, and I doubt i'd be able to be as thrifty with fuel if I lived out that way. Should account for the "ancillary" cost increases in other services. ~$10-$20/mo "IF" they use the cash to actually make a positive impact? I'd be up for that.
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This whole A carbon tax is just another cash grab for the Province. Not sure if you people already notice that the air is already a lot cleaner.

Got my Natural gas bill today, on the bill there is a new line called "Tax levi " and for the first 3 days of January it was $3.87 , so say over 30 days that is going to cost us another $39.00 a month . I don't want to know what it is going to cost us to heat our homes in 3-4 years.

This is going the same way as the Ontario hydro, where people can't turn on their lights anymore, and we can't heat our homes anymore.
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rotjong wrote:
Feb 5th, 2017 8:56 pm
This whole A carbon tax is just another cash grab for the Province. Not sure if you people already notice that the air is already a lot cleaner.

Got my Natural gas bill today, on the bill there is a new line called "Tax levi " and for the first 3 days of January it was $3.87 , so say over 30 days that is going to cost us another $39.00 a month . I don't want to know what it is going to cost us to heat our homes in 3-4 years.

This is going the same way as the Ontario hydro, where people can't turn on their lights anymore, and we can't heat our homes anymore.
a lot gas friendly where i'm at, didn't see a single EV on the road and gas is merely 90 cents
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rotjong wrote:
Feb 5th, 2017 8:56 pm
This whole A carbon tax is just another cash grab for the Province. Not sure if you people already notice that the air is already a lot cleaner.

Got my Natural gas bill today, on the bill there is a new line called "Tax levi " and for the first 3 days of January it was $3.87 , so say over 30 days that is going to cost us another $39.00 a month . I don't want to know what it is going to cost us to heat our homes in 3-4 years.

This is going the same way as the Ontario hydro, where people can't turn on their lights anymore, and we can't heat our homes anymore.
Not that I'm fan of carbon taxes but I think either something is wrong with your bill or the fee is prorated.

According to my quick Google 1.0 Gigajoules (GJ) = 26.853 Cubic metres (m³) natural gas
According to another quick Google tax has added an additional $1.011 per GJ
According to another quick Google, a random user on RFD used 199 m3 of Natural Gas.

So (199 / 26.853) * 1.011 = $7.50 additional per month.

$39 extra a month seems rather hefty.
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Dec 9th, 2017 9:50 pm
Not that I'm fan of carbon taxes but I think either something is wrong with your bill or the fee is prorated.

According to my quick Google 1.0 Gigajoules (GJ) = 26.853 Cubic metres (m³) natural gas
According to another quick Google tax has added an additional $1.011 per GJ
According to another quick Google, a random user on RFD used 199 m3 of Natural Gas.

So (199 / 26.853) * 1.011 = $7.50 additional per month.

$39 extra a month seems rather hefty.
My home will use up to 20GJ of gas in a single month. It's an older home (1977) but I imagine a home that is significantly holder would use much more natural gas in the same month.

Obviously using 20GJ of gas only happens 1 or 2 months out of the year, but January is the bill that would potentially have that level of usage. Therefore it is definitely possible someone in an older home who likes to keep their heat at 21/22 degrees could see a levy of $40 in a single winter month.
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TrevorK wrote:
Dec 9th, 2017 10:23 pm
My home will use up to 20GJ of gas in a single month. It's an older home (1977) but I imagine a home that is significantly holder would use much more natural gas in the same month.

Obviously using 20GJ of gas only happens 1 or 2 months out of the year, but January is the bill that would potentially have that level of usage. Therefore it is definitely possible someone in an older home who likes to keep their heat at 21/22 degrees could see a levy of $40 in a single winter month.
I'm actually surprised you use that much gas, but if you do I guess that's the additional cost. Obviously heating isn't nearly as bad in Southern Ontario as it is in Alberta but I have a gas furnace, water heater, fireplace, stove and dryer and my house used 206m^3 last month.

There is also a rebate involved in there as well that should mitigate some or all of the cost depending on household income.
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Evil Baby wrote:
Dec 9th, 2017 11:48 pm
I'm actually surprised you use that much gas, but if you do I guess that's the additional cost. Obviously heating isn't nearly as bad in Southern Ontario as it is in Alberta but I have a gas furnace, water heater, fireplace, stove and dryer and my house used 206m^3 last month.

There is also a rebate involved in there as well that should mitigate some or all of the cost depending on household income.
I myself do not receive a rebate, the rebates are mostly for those at lower paying jobs.

Just to provide some proof - here is my bill from about the same period (mid Dec to mid Jan). Our house stayed at 18-19 degrees as well for the most part:
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From the graph you can see it's really only one month a year this typically happens. And perhaps part of it is because during the Christmas break we are all off work and our son is home from daycare, so we might have had it turned up to 20 or 21 for a week. But thinking about it, I can definitely see someone using 30GJ. And it's not like my house has no insulation - it's R40 in the attic as we upgraded (walls are still whatever came with 2x4 walls so R12 I think?).
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I've given up on energy conservation. Any savings is not worth the decrease in comfort especially when the price of gas is so low. Last gas bill, my cost of gas was $6.05 with $63.44 in service and admin charges. :rolleyes:
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