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Is allowing international students to work and jump the immigration queue a poor immigration policy in Canada?

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International students are pure cash cow for colleges and universities.

Most of them pay 3-4 times the local student fees. They are not doing them any favours by letting them in.
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way back in year 1999 I traveled to India and was shocked to see the country buzzing with discovery of "outsourcing of fixes for y2k bug" Every newspaper was full of stories as to how more and more companies were frantically bringing the work over to Indians. I discussed the implications of a global world with my colleagues in Canada as soon as I returned. They, however, shrugged off my concerns considering India to be too distant, too backward, massive difference in culture.
7 years later 4 of them found their jobs outsourced. I met them outside the office as they were being escorted out of the office. naturally, some of them were lived and railing at this disgusting turn of the events.
I wish instead of seeing the above mentioned negatives about another country, they had seen the human trait of greed.
I doubt if most posters in this thread are seeing it, yet.
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Louking wrote:
Sep 15th, 2018 5:04 am
I wish instead of seeing the above mentioned negatives about another country, they had seen the human trait of greed.
I doubt if most posters in this thread are seeing it, yet.
Very true, there is a much bigger stealthier side that only those directly affected are aware of - outsourcing of jobs to lower wage countries. You don't need immigrants coming into the country to steal your jobs when it is the companies that are sending them to other countries. Not long ago in the paper age your typical white-collar work could not be moved elsewhere so you hired armies of paper-pushers (admin clerks, insurance adjusters, accountants, paralegals, etc) in Canada. Then the fax machine was popularized and some of the real boring stuff like data entry got faxed overnight to other countries to perform. And then the digital revolution arrived and suddenly everything is virtual so now lots of white-collar jobs can be done anywhere in real time. So lots of professional jobs that have been the most difficult to export are now being exported (IT, accountants, lawyers, finance, engineering, and the list goes on) and it's a race to the bottom. Canadian workers can't compete because not only are wages lower in the other countries, the other countries have much more lax regulations over worker conditions. What have the government done about this - not much. Can any government do anything about it? Don't know - how do you put a tariff on knowledge? Many foreign students are here not to becomes permanent residents but to learn from our universities to take back home.
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WetCoastGuy wrote:
Sep 15th, 2018 1:29 pm
Very true, there is a much bigger stealthier side that only those directly affected are aware of - outsourcing of jobs to lower wage countries. You don't need immigrants coming into the country to steal your jobs when it is the companies that are sending them to other countries. Not long ago in the paper age your typical white-collar work could not be moved elsewhere so you hired armies of paper-pushers (admin clerks, insurance adjusters, accountants, paralegals, etc) in Canada. Then the fax machine was popularized and some of the real boring stuff like data entry got faxed overnight to other countries to perform. And then the digital revolution arrived and suddenly everything is virtual so now lots of white-collar jobs can be done anywhere in real time. So lots of professional jobs that have been the most difficult to export are now being exported (IT, accountants, lawyers, finance, engineering, and the list goes on) and it's a race to the bottom. Canadian workers can't compete because not only are wages lower in the other countries, the other countries have much more lax regulations over worker conditions. What have the government done about this - not much. Can any government do anything about it? Don't know - how do you put a tariff on knowledge? Many foreign students are here not to becomes permanent residents but to learn from our universities to take back home.
Maybe so in other communities, but that is definitely not true for the indian ones. Im indian myself and i can tell you most came here to settle and eventually sponsor their family over. Also they get married once they are here so they can stay and then they set up another arrangement for someone to get into canada. For example, if your canadian nephew marries my student visa niece, I will hook up your student visa nephew/niece with one of my canadian nieces/nephews.
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Louking wrote:
Sep 15th, 2018 5:04 am
I wish instead of seeing the above mentioned negatives about another country, they had seen the human trait of greed.
I doubt if most posters in this thread are seeing it, yet.
While we are starting to see it here, not as prevalent as in the US.

It's not just corporate greed, but greed from the market (consumers) as well. Consumers (e.g. RFDers) want the lowest price possible on product/prices, and the only way is to reduce expenses.
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alanbrenton wrote:
Sep 11th, 2018 11:25 pm

In the past it was mostly well-off Indian families who sent their children to Canada to study. But now tens of thousands of low-income Indians, including farming families, are stretching their meagre finances to get their children into the Canadian education system, job market and family immigration stream.
tbh it's better have low-income people come than the ones with well-off Indian families. These folks tend to be more hard-working and more open to assimilation.

Most of the filthy rich sending their kids here are corrupt people laundering their money. If that's not the case, they'll eventually go back after a few years of working in dollars as India doesn't allow dual citizenship if I'm not mistaken.
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noobification wrote:
Sep 18th, 2018 11:20 pm
tbh it's better have low-income people come than the ones with well-off Indian families. These folks tend to be more hard-working and more open to assimilation.

Most of the filthy rich sending their kids here are corrupt people laundering their money. If that's not the case, they'll eventually go back after a few years of working in dollars as India doesn't allow dual citizenship if I'm not mistaken.
What's wrong with spending money here? It's great. Money laundering? Who cares as long as it's laundered here

Much rather have rich people come and spend money on us in Canada. Don't care about assimilation, who cares? Money is money, I don't and nobody cares if money is from whomever, it's just a number in our account
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Gboard2 wrote:
Sep 30th, 2018 1:44 pm
What's wrong with spending money here? It's great. Money laundering? Who cares as long as it's laundered here

Much rather have rich people come and spend money on us in Canada. Don't care about assimilation, who cares? Money is money, I don't and nobody cares if money is from whomever, it's just a number in our account
Well Canada wants people, workers, not just tourists and spoiled brats. I don't care about assimilation either. But they don't live under rocks, they do interact with the society. It's nice to have well-behaving, non-corrupt people as your neighbours, don't you think?
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The rationale is, after spending two or four years studying here in Canada, on average, an international student is more familiar with Canada and communicates better than someone apples immigration directly from overseas who’s never been in Canada before.
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noobification wrote:
Oct 3rd, 2018 11:30 pm
Well Canada wants people, workers, not just tourists and spoiled brats. I don't care about assimilation either. But they don't live under rocks, they do interact with the society. It's nice to have well-behaving, non-corrupt people as your neighbours, don't you think?

Nope, it's nice to have rich people spending loads of money . Being poor doesn't mean they're well behaved and rich doesn't mean they're poorly behaved. So I much rather take the money. I mean in one of my condos, there's lots of rich student who rent there, they're fine people and the amount they spend and taxes they pay is several folds more than a non rich person and of course all the business they support

Poor people doesn't mean they're nice, or non corrupt or moral. Where do you get this from?

Take the money, don't be stupid
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Can someone please tell me how many students Canada has allowed to arrive and compete for jobs in one year?
3000? 5000? 10,000?
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Gboard2 wrote:
Oct 4th, 2018 7:53 am
Nope, it's nice to have rich people spending loads of money .
Lets not forget the context of this thread. Is it better to have relaxed immigration policy for international students?

I'd say that instead of bringing educated people here on points-based system and then just have them drive taxis, it's better if Canadian-trained international students are the ones immigrating to Canada and working here.

To that, a sound counter-argument is (as posted by the one I quoted first): More poorer international Indian students are coming here who will just send money home when they work here.

To that, I say that it's better to have those Indian students who are not so established back home. Sure, they will send money to India for a few years. But then they are more likely to renounce Indian citizenship and bring their family here for a better economic solvency and better quality of life. In the long run, you have a Canadian-trained worker, working in Canada, contributing to society and economy ....much better than a fresh immigrant landing here through the points based system.

But what if his family is well-established in India? Since daddy is well-off and well-connected, he has no reason to surrender his Indian citizenship and settle here. Eventually he will go back and Canada is still stuck with the problem for which we have a liberal immigration policy in the first place.

I know for a fact that south Asian rich parents send kids over-seas to launder money. Easier to spend money leeched off the Indian government outside of India, pay full tuition and claim in tax file your kid got a scholarship to Canada. Not all of them, but many do. Fact of life.
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Canada continues to hand out visas to anyone with lots of money, and i think and its pretty obvious that international students, most of them, are coming from china and india.
These are 2 major source countries for many many years......and a big source of money for colleges/universities. And almost all of them want to stay permanently after studies via working.
They got money and Canada wants their money so they come here (so-called competition with Australia, USA etc for students).
Other countries are low-source but send few. There's massive corruption in china/india etc so there's plenty of money to move.
Ironically, these source countries are also the ones benefitting from outsourcing of Canadian jobs....cuz they'll work cheaper and won't complain or ask for raises or ask for rights, etc
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Bigger problem now is that corporations are bringing lower cost workers over to Canada and displacing the higher paid Cdn workers (many of whom are older with higher education and skill levels). Companies pay the worker the same wage they'd receive back home plus their travel and entertainment costs in Canada. Since living costs are paid the "wage" is often sent back home and eventually they apply to bring over all their relatives. The workers who have come here under these programs are often trained by the long-time Cdn workers they'd displaced and generally have lower level of communication skills, education and other job skills. The whole point is for the companies to earn higher profits and bonuses at the expense of the Cdn. workers.

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