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[Amazon.ca] ZOTAC Gaming GeForce RTX 2080 Ti ArcticStorm Gaming Graphics Card ZT-T20810K-30P $1,382.55

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redflagdealsguy wrote: Air cooling in 2019 is amazingly good, and when it fails, most cards and boards go to a low power mode or shutoff completely to save the circuitry. However, there's no firmware or driver that will protect against a water leak shorting the card or board... just a series of fallible hardware mitigations.
I have 6 1080ti in an open air mining rig.
They are undervolted to run at 65% and the temps still reaches as high as 40deg C.
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Feb 24, 2018
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vkizzle wrote: I have 6 1080ti in an open air mining rig.
They are undervolted to run at 65% and the temps still reaches as high as 40deg C.
The card will do it's self-protect thing at 100C, you're doing just fine, though I worry for your ROI (separate discussion).
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redflagdealsguy wrote: The card will do it's self-protect thing at 100C, you're doing just fine, though I worry for your ROI (separate discussion).
ROI is $0!
However, I do have a pretty $10K light show system...
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Are you guys seriously purchasing this, or just joking? And if so, you're not using it to play games exclusively are you? $1.3k to play games? You're using it do graphically intensive work primarily right?
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fightbriz wrote: Are you guys seriously purchasing this, or just joking? And if so, you're not using it to play games exclusively are you? $1.3k to play games? You're using it do graphically intensive work primarily right?
This is not a workstation graphics card. A Quattro series can cost 3-4 times this grahpics card. What's wrong with spending $1.3k on a graphics card to play games? This is the most power card on the market for games. This in SLI is probably the only thing that can handle modern games at 4k at 60+fps stable. Whatever floats people's boat.
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ROI may just worked out in Canada...

Remember the guy brought a small hydropower planet in BC ....
Living in this big world, I have a little dream.
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Feb 24, 2007
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redflagdealsguy wrote: Air cooling in 2019 is amazingly good, and when it fails, most cards and boards go to a low power mode or shutoff completely to save the circuitry. However, there's no firmware or driver that will protect against a water leak shorting the card or board... just a series of fallible hardware mitigations.
Sounds like you've never actually used water cooling before. Air cooling is never going to touch custom water cooling for thermal performance and efficiency, even what you consider "amazingly good" in 2019. As for leaks shorting out boards, use nonconductive coolant maybe? I don't think custom watercooling makes sense for most people but potential system failure generally isn't the issue if you do it correctly.
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fightbriz wrote: Are you guys seriously purchasing this, or just joking? And if so, you're not using it to play games exclusively are you? $1.3k to play games? You're using it do graphically intensive work primarily right?
Why invest in business or an investment property, when a $1.3k video card beckons?

If you insist on being this rational, please see yourself out.
generaltao99 wrote: Sounds like you've never actually used water cooling before. Air cooling is never going to touch custom water cooling for thermal performance and efficiency, even what you consider "amazingly good" in 2019. As for leaks shorting out boards, use nonconductive coolant maybe? I don't think custom watercooling makes sense for most people but potential system failure generally isn't the issue if you do it correctly.
All this is well known, what I'm saying is that air cooling is more than sufficient for everything up to ultra-high end rigs. Watercooling is better for temp control, but the benefits simply aren't worth the added risk for almost every use-case. At the very tippy top of hardware rigs, it'll give higher OC headroom, but at the expense of a severely shortened hardware lifespan.

It's impractical, prone to catastrophic failure because hardware mitigations are imperfect by nature, and rivaled by simpler cheaper air cooling solutions that are almost as good as higher-end watercooling solutions.

In [Current Year], why put up with the high maintenance 9/10 trophy wife when the 8.5/10 go-getter will get the job done with less fuss?
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Sep 25, 2017
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redflagdealsguy wrote: Watercooling is just a waste. Too many points of failure.
It's a waste for anyone who doesn't push the card clocks up and overvolt.
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redflagdealsguy wrote: All this is well known, what I'm saying is that air cooling is more than sufficient for everything up to ultra-high end rigs. Watercooling is better for temp control, but the benefits simply aren't worth the added risk for almost every use-case. At the very tippy top of hardware rigs, it'll give higher OC headroom, but at the expense of a severely shortened hardware lifespan.


Value vs risk is entirely up to the user, you can't speak for anyone but yourself. Severely shortened lifespan is entirely your subjective opinion as well. Plenty of people oc and watercool without any issue (I've been doing it for the past 16 years) and the parts last well into obsolescence.
It's impractical, prone to catastrophic failure because hardware mitigations are imperfect by nature, and rivaled by simpler cheaper air cooling solutions that are almost as good as higher-end watercooling solutions.

In [Current Year], why put up with the high maintenance 9/10 trophy wife when the 8.5/10 go-getter will get the job done with less fuss?
Bolded part, your opinion. Anyone looking for a high end gpu with built in waterblock can see value in this deal. And almost as good is still not as good. Equal thermal performance, reduction in noise, efficient movement of thermal mass, you can't do these things with default air cooling. You sound like you have very little experience with watercooling so maybe refrain from making generalizations about it.
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AncientWords wrote: Which deal was that?
Lenovo deal for t730. Not the pricing error, there was one before that.

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