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Any interest in your kids attending college in the US?

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Any interest in your kids attending college in the US?

I've been forwarded info on an upcoming seminar in Toronto later this month on US college applications with speakers coming from Columbia, Wharton and Carnegie Mellon, so I was wondering if anyone here is also interested.

I know there is a strong interest among private school students, with about 20% of graduates heading over to the US each year. What's the case with students at public high schools? I'm guessing it's much lower but I was wondering what the general interest levels are with admission to not just the Ivy League, but other top US universities as well.

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20% of private-school graduates going to US universities is an incredible number (would love to know where you found that information). For public high schools I would say that the figure is a few percent at most, and I'd bet a good proportion of that relates to athletic recruitment.

When it comes to quality of undergraduate education, I'm not convinced that top US universities have more to offer than top Canadian ones.
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I actually found it on the private schools' own websites where they talk about their graduate profile, and the number of students who go to the US each year.
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On a scholarship yes, otherwise I'm perfectly fine with any school here in Canada.
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canadiann wrote:
Nov 3rd, 2017 6:48 pm
I've been forwarded info on an upcoming seminar in Toronto later this month on US college applications with speakers coming from Columbia, Wharton and Carnegie Mellon, so I was wondering if anyone here is also interested.
I just had a look at the link -- the speakers are current students or alumni at those universities. The company seems to be a for-profit organization that helps students through the application process.
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JHW wrote:
Nov 3rd, 2017 10:51 pm
When it comes to quality of undergraduate education, I'm not convinced that top US universities have more to offer than top Canadian ones.
It's not about the quality of education, it's about who you meet.

Zuckerberg wouldn't have founded Facebook if he hadn't gone to Harvard and met the W twins. Etc.
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Sure, as well as many other countries. I want my kid to see the world at a young age before family and career commitments slow him down. I don't want him to go to school close to home, I want him to move away and see what other parts of the country/world have to offer.
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FrancisBacon wrote:
Nov 4th, 2017 8:52 pm
It's not about the quality of education, it's about who you meet. Zuckerberg wouldn't have founded Facebook if he hadn't gone to Harvard and met the W twins. Etc.
I think this is 100% accurate. These universities offer more than just classroom education. It's the strength of the network (and alumni network) that separates them from the rest.
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FrancisBacon wrote:
Nov 4th, 2017 8:52 pm
It's not about the quality of education, it's about who you meet.
I agree completely, but many people seem to think that US universities offer a superior undergraduate education experience to Canadian universities. Hence my comment.
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canadiann wrote:
Nov 5th, 2017 9:38 am
I think this is 100% accurate. These universities offer more than just classroom education. It's the strength of the network (and alumni network) that separates them from the rest.
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Nov 5th, 2017 1:58 pm
I agree completely, but many people seem to think that US universities offer a superior undergraduate education experience to Canadian universities. Hence my comment.
Agree with both perspectives. I have lived in US and studied in Canada. I think good universities in both countries are comparable to each other. But US is far more expensive. So one needs to make informed decision and not just assume that quality of education is better in US. My son is very young, but roughly I would do undergraduate in Canada and if he decides to pursue specialized post-graduation (MBA, etc), then have a preference for a good US university.
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amitdi wrote:
Nov 6th, 2017 12:22 pm
Agree with both perspectives. I have lived in US and studied in Canada. I think good universities in both countries are comparable to each other. But US is far more expensive. So one needs to make informed decision and not just assume that quality of education is better in US. My son is very young, but roughly I would do undergraduate in Canada and if he decides to pursue specialized post-graduation (MBA, etc), then have a preference for a good US university.
I grew up in the states and definitely agree...though I'm biased. But I guess that the general lack of information is the biggest problem when it comes to Canadians perceiving the value of a US education. Cost is the first thing anyone looks at...so going there does seem too expensive (why pay $50K per year when I can pay $15K?). But as said above, it really boils down to how much more you can potentially get out of a (top) US university education vs. university in Canada. Is the difference in cost worth it for the better network and opportunities you gain?

Of course that's not to say universities in Canada aren't excellent (UWaterloo is fantastic)...but they just don't offer what some of these world-class universities do.
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canadiann wrote:
Nov 9th, 2017 10:12 am
I grew up in the states and definitely agree...though I'm biased. But I guess that the general lack of information is the biggest problem when it comes to Canadians perceiving the value of a US education. Cost is the first thing anyone looks at...so going there does seem too expensive (why pay $50K per year when I can pay $15K?). But as said above, it really boils down to how much more you can potentially get out of a (top) US university education vs. university in Canada. Is the difference in cost worth it for the better network and opportunities you gain?

Of course that's not to say universities in Canada aren't excellent (UWaterloo is fantastic)...but they just don't offer what some of these world-class universities do.

You also have to factor in the family thing. Many people who grow up here with family expect to stay here, so there's less incentive to try to get that US education and more global opportunities it may present. Also, Canada's mid-town mindset leads to people here having 'accounting' (or 'finance') as their aspiration. Not to be some great leader, entrepreneur, Game changer, etc.
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canadiann wrote:
Nov 9th, 2017 10:12 am
grew up in the states and definitely agree...though I'm biased. But I guess that the general lack of information is the biggest problem when it comes to Canadians perceiving the value of a US education. Cost is the first thing anyone looks at...so going there does seem too expensive (why pay $50K per year when I can pay $15K?). But as said above, it really boils down to how much more you can potentially get out of a (top) US university education vs. university in Canada.
I think it's an individual preference and depends heavily on the field of study. My own take, based on the limited but first-hand experience of the schools I've attended, is that the quality of undergraduate education at top American schools is no better than at top Canadian schools. I agree that the network possibilities are superior at top American schools (and there are real reasons for this -- greater "alumni pride" at US schools, much greater regional diversity, a more pedigree-focused general culture etc.) But for undergraduates who know they will go on to do graduate degrees (as is "de rigeur" in many fields) I actually don't think that the undergraduate network matters as much.
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No interest what so ever. Now if they want to go...fine. They can then pay for it as well.
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Some ivy league schools like Harvard now go on "merit" based aid -- so basically if your parents make "x" you will get "y" from Harvard.

So no kid is graduating Harvard with huge debt anymore. If your parents are CEO of a huge Fortune 500 company they will contribute their entire tuition, if your parents are on welfare, you will contribute nothing. You can thank their amazing endowment fund for that ($32 billion).

Harvard is basically a hedge fund now with a university on the side that it contributes some funds to...

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