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Bought dishwasher and had few questions.

Q. Gonna use one of these kits unless someone chimes in with better suggestion. Get cheaper one as still 1500 PSI or better to go with 2500 PSI kit?

https://www.lowes.ca/appliance-accessor ... 26409.html

https://www.lowes.ca/appliance-accessor ... 54896.html

Also have to add wye under kitchen sink. For reasons not known the wye was not installed when sinks changed.

Q.
Folks suggest horizontal or vertical? I've attached pics as not even sure have space for vertical.

Do have vertical tail piece but it's 1/2 inch so not sure if size is correct.

Q.
If do use vertical wye then can it be installed on either left or right sink OR must be installed on left sink [space permitting]? Saves me from having to cut pipe and install horizontal wye.

Q. Already have hole at top of cabinet for drain hose to loop down to wye. Always thought that was way however looking at manual it says to use hole at bottom of cabinet for both supply and drain and then loop up [attach to underneath sink] and then down to wye. Is either way acceptable?

Thanks
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@georvu it doesn't look like you have space for the vertical wye

Buy this instead.

https://www.rona.ca/en/abs-wye-dishwasher-adapter

You can easily cut the middle section between the two sinks and attach it. Just make sure that your drain hose is half inch. If you have a Miele, I know they use 7/8" drain hoses and they can not be adjusted.

Use the opening at the top of the cabinet of the drain, you need a high loop. Use the opening at the bottom for the hot water.
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Gee wrote:
Sep 6th, 2017 12:52 am
@georvu it doesn't look like you have space for the vertical wye

Buy this instead.

https://www.rona.ca/en/abs-wye-dishwasher-adapter

You can easily cut the middle section between the two sinks and attach it. Just make sure that your drain hose is half inch. If you have a Miele, I know they use 7/8" drain hoses and they can not be adjusted.

Use the opening at the top of the cabinet of the drain, you need a high loop. Use the opening at the bottom for the hot water.
Thanks. And appreciate link to wye.

DW is Whirlpool WDF760SADM.

The right sink has bit more space so can vertical wye be installed there? Or is that against code/practice since it is further away from p trap?

Else gonna see if can cut vertical wye enough to fit on left sink.

If that not works then horizontal wye like you linked. I'm weary of cutting it straight with pipe in place. If do go this route then how much to cut? The space in middle of wye excluding the sides where it has wider collars?
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The tailpiece is threaded onto the sink bottom and top of the P trap. Remove that and replace with a tailpiece that has dishwasher connection.
There is some play with the install as it goes inside the connector on the P trap and it can be cut to the correct size on the bottom, that is a slip joint...tightens down on the pipe.
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georvu wrote:
Sep 6th, 2017 9:49 am
Thanks. And appreciate link to wye.

DW is Whirlpool WDF760SADM.

The right sink has bit more space so can vertical wye be installed there? Or is that against code/practice since it is further away from p trap?

Else gonna see if can cut vertical wye enough to fit on left sink.

If that not works then horizontal wye like you linked. I'm weary of cutting it straight with pipe in place. If do go this route then how much to cut? The space in middle of wye excluding the sides where it has wider collars?
I'm not a fan of the vertical wye, the opening is too close to the top. While the chances are slim to none, it can be possible for water to back up onto the sink. What can happen is steam and odours will come up through your drain as the dishwasher is draining.

Horizontal wye is installed further down which eliminates any possibility of backup, steam, odours.

It is easier than it looks to install. The total length is 4.25" (recalling from memory, give or take 0.25"). The fitting is .75" on either side. You cut a section from your existing PVC drain with a saw or PVC cutter that's 2.75" wide. Sand out the edges if necessary. Apply PVC cement on the ends of everything and push (lock) it in place.

Make sure you install the bib at an angle towards the back of the cabinet. Water should flow towards the P trap. I hope your dishwasher is to the right of the sink. It looks like the best option is to install the wye towards the right

Finished product should look like this.

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*** Edit ***

After reviewing you're images, (it was late last night when I originally replied). Your adapter would work on the either side of the sink. It will fit and there is nothing involved to install it. Just need two plumbers wrenches. It is best to install it closest to the dishwasher which I assume is to the right of your sink. I still prefer the horizontal wye, but your solution will have you up and running in minutes.

There is no worry about being too far from the P Trap. The drain opening for the dishwasher is half an inch. There is little concerned that anything will be trapped in the P trap. There is another trap in the bottom of your dishwasher.
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Okay... spur of the moment decided to take apart pipes [yes, could have installed horizontal wye but had not bought] and install vertical wye on right side of sink [DW is to right].

Yikes, drains yuckkkyy!!
Dirty kitchen drain 1.jpg
Dirty kitchen drain 2.jpg



Old tail piece and new [had to cut]
Comparison new and old tail piece.jpg
Tail piece cut.jpg
New tail piece.jpg
Old tail piece.jpg

Re used bushing and nut from old tail piece

New tail piece with old nut, bushing.jpg
Re used nut and plastic bushing from old tail piece.jpg


Wye installed and testing for leaks
Wye installed and testing for leaks.jpg

This is how drain pipe would hook up

Drain pipe to wye.jpg



For Drain hose connection to machine the instructions say route from back of machine however the way the drain that is already hooked up to machine bends... routing from side [pic 1] better or ok to twist a bit in order to route from behind [pic 2] machine?? Pics show side of machine.
Route drain pipe from side DW.jpg
Route drain pipe from underneath DW.jpg

Hmmph!! After all that test for leaks and no issues BUT since drain hose not yet hooked up to wye the water does sputter out of wye if dump alot of water in right sink. Going to install dish washer in day or two so can plug wye in meantime but since water did come out does this mean potential issues of water going up drain hose and into dishwasher? Does loop from top so thinking would stop?

Perhaps just call it a day, install old tail piece and just put horizontal wye!!
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Gee wrote:
Sep 6th, 2017 10:13 am
It is easier than it looks to install. The total length is 4.25" (recalling from memory, give or take 0.25"). The fitting is .75" on either side. You cut a section from your existing PVC drain with a saw or PVC cutter that's 2.75" wide. Sand out the edges if necessary. Apply PVC cement on the ends of everything and push (lock) it in place.
These are ABS pipes correct and hence ABS glue [not pvc]? Might go this route so wanted to be sure.

Horizontal wye that was linked prior message is also ABS. https://www.rona.ca/en/abs-wye-dishwash ... _source=cj

Thanks.
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Also, the drain hose connection to wye is 1 inch and 5/8 inch so gather cut off 1 inch connection and just leave 5/8 inch connection?

This then connects to 1/2 inch wye, yes?
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georvu wrote:
Sep 6th, 2017 11:06 pm
Also, the drain hose connection to wye is 1 inch and 5/8 inch so gather cut off 1 inch connection and just leave 5/8 inch connection?

This then connects to 1/2 inch wye, yes?
Yes, you need to cut off the 1" end of the hose. I suggest you use a hose clamp on the bib to ensure it doesn't leak.

Looks like the drain hose is already on the left side of the dishwasher. It's perfect for your setup. I would not route it through the back. Just leave it as is.

Sorry for the confusion. I use PVC as a generic term. You're correct, it's ABS. Generally PVC is white and ABS is black.
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georvu wrote:
Sep 6th, 2017 3:47 pm
Hmmph!! After all that test for leaks and no issues BUT since drain hose not yet hooked up to wye the water does sputter out of wye if dump alot of water in right sink. Going to install dish washer in day or two so can plug wye in meantime but since water did come out does this mean potential issues of water going up drain hose and into dishwasher? Does loop from top so thinking would stop?
The sink water won't travel up the dishwasher drain hose, your install will be fine.
Watch the drain hose doesn't snag when pushing the dishwasher back into place, same for the water supply line. Go slow and check the lines aren't caught up and it will be good.
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Installed but...

Installed done tonight. First had routed drain hose and supply line from bottom cabinet and then to back of DW then to connections but of course did not like so then did same connections but from side as lined up better with cabinet hole.

Added some pipe insulation on drain line as it was touching supply line elbow which gets hot [no matter which direction installed supply line elbow]. Probably over paranoid but had pipe insulation.

Now the big but!!

Found out the hard way and not surprised as had not used for many years that the valve on supply line does not close water... so after cleaning water from floor had to turn off main water and then reconnect from side.

Will test again tomorrow.

Question on the supply valve... it is soldered to hot water pipe under sink so how to best fix? Can I cut pipe before solder and then add a compression valve?

https://www.homedepot.ca/en/home/p.retr ... 24510.html

https://www.homedepot.ca/en/home/p.comp ... 91968.html

Or is soldering new valve better?

Or just leave it alone and just use main water valve if need to do anything else with DW [hopefully just use normally!!]

Thanks.

[Yes, diy projects always complicated with me!!] Astonished Face
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georvu wrote:
Sep 9th, 2017 12:40 am
Question on the supply valve... it is soldered to hot water pipe under sink so how to best fix? Can I cut pipe before solder and then add a compression valve?

https://www.homedepot.ca/en/home/p.retr ... 24510.html

https://www.homedepot.ca/en/home/p.comp ... 91968.html

Or is soldering new valve better?

Or just leave it alone and just use main water valve if need to do anything else with DW [hopefully just use normally!!]

Thanks.

[Yes, diy projects always complicated with me!!] Astonished Face
Another option is to leave the chrome shutoff is place and just replace the guts of the valve with the guts of a new valve. Or if they sell just the washers (push on) by themselves.

https://www.homedepot.ca/en/home/p.angl ... 20878.html

Most of the similar style shutoffs stems by different manufacturers are interchangeable or just steal the washer if not ... or change the whole valve if you want.
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Alrightie!!

Running DW in normal cycle empty now. Gonna take about 3 1/2 hours!! Have 1 hour cycle as well that uses more electricity.

What do folks recommend for cleaning products?

Based on my research:

Detergent

Cascade-Platinum-ActionPacs-Dishwasher-Detergent *BEST* tie
https://www.amazon.com/Cascade-Platinum ... M6Z4J&th=1

Finish-Quantum-Protect-Dishwasher-Detergent *BEST* tie
https://www.amazon.com/Finish-Quantum-P ... =UTF8&th=1

Rinse Aid

Finish-Jet-Rinse-Dishwasher-Agent *BEST*
https://www.amazon.com/Finish-Jet-Rinse ... 1P2JV&th=1

Cascade-Rinse-Platinum-Dishwasher-Regular
https://www.amazon.com/Cascade-Rinse-Pl ... 872PHAMVKF


Dishwasher once a month cleaner

Affresh Dishwasher Cleaner *BEST*
https://www.amazon.com/Affresh-W1028247 ... JK76YM6Z4J

Finish Dishwasher Cleaner
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004S0DZ0A?ref=emc_b_5_i

Cascade Dishwasher Cleaner
https://www.amazon.com/Cascade-Dishwash ... eaner&th=1
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