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I want to run water year round to an outdoor kitchen in Toronto. Do I really need to bury my line 5 ft undergound to prevent freezing? Or is there a way to winterize it so it doesn't freeze? I'm planning on diverting water with a Y valve with from the existing garden spigot, so I assume I'll need to find a way to heat that part as well? Thanks!
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dt06uu wrote: I want to run water year round to an outdoor kitchen. Do I really need to bury my line 5 ft undergound to prevent freezing? Or is there a way to winterize it so it doesn't freeze? I'm planning on diverting water with a Y valve with from the existing garden spigot, so I assume I'll need to find a way to heat that part as well? Thanks!
please update your profile with LOCATION...answer to your question might vary depending on if you're in Victoria or Winnipeg.
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gr8dlr wrote: please update your profile with LOCATION...answer to your question might vary depending on if you're in Victoria or Winnipeg.
Thanks for the heads up - updated to Toronto.
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dt06uu wrote: Thanks for the heads up - updated to Toronto.
Still not showing up.

click upper right hand corner where your account name is
select PROFILE
then click EDIT PROFILE and put location.

This will save us from asking you "location?"
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lamin wrote: Those tubs are normally repairable (professionally), but your damage is in a bad spot, so not sure. Needle nose pliers sometimes works, although I would not install new drain with them unless you wrap them with electrical tape. Proper tool is $10.

https://www.homedepot.ca/product/husky- ... UXR843EXPB

Thanks for your reply. Main issue is the tub dents. I’m leaning toward replacing the tub so I don’t risk a leak later on.

Appreciate the tool suggestion. I would have used it but the drain is corroded, including the cross piece. Will get the drain done as part of the tub replacement.
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Hi folks,

Great thread going on here. I need your expertise!
I took down a non load-bearing half wall over the weekend in my 70's house (with permit) and noticed that unsuprisingly the water lines to the upstairs bathroom ran straight up through the wall.

I also noticed the really wide spacing between them. What is the min spacing between hot/cold copper pipes?

Wondering on what a reasonable cost is to have a plumber come in and re-route to beside the ABS stack on the right side. Any recommendations in the Ottawa area?

Thanks in advance!
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Hi folks,

I am looking for solution for my laundry room and wonder if this design will work.


Try to explain it here.

The old design has water and drain pipe(plus u shape) all under the sink. with newer washer and dryer, the space is getting to tight, the top is current setup, from top view and side view, the bottom is my design, from top view and side view. I hope that helps for understanding.
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What I like to do is make the washer and dryer stack together, but there is a problem to connect the water supply and drain pipe.
1. I don't like the idea to put drain pipe through the floor joist, plus there is a basement windows right under this location. I am trying to put the drain pipe in the wall, with proper slope, there should be no water when not in use so there is no freeze problem.
2. For water supply, I don't like to put into exterior wall, so I am thinking about to run PEX under floor joists, and come up on the left side wall. PEX or copper? Any code with water pipe running under the floor joists? can I run the pipe with other electric wire?
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Hey all,

My mom (a senior) has noticed her basement has had a foul odor the past few weeks. The basement toilet was also slow to drain.

Long story short, Roto Rooter just came and said she needed 25 ft of clay pipe replaced as it was cracked and full of tree roots.

Looking at $12k. Is this price normal? Is there anything I can do to make it cheaper? Is Roto rooter trust worthy?

Ie. Remove the flooring, cut the concrete, expose the clay pipe and just have them replace and sign off? Then I backfill and level off with concrete?

Thanks
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dt06uu wrote: I want to run water year round to an outdoor kitchen in Toronto. Do I really need to bury my line 5 ft undergound to prevent freezing? Or is there a way to winterize it so it doesn't freeze? I'm planning on diverting water with a Y valve with from the existing garden spigot, so I assume I'll need to find a way to heat that part as well? Thanks!
Burying will be an excellent idea though the exposed Y valve isn't going to work, unless you want to run an electric pipe heater on all exposed plumbing.
gr8dlr wrote: please update your profile with LOCATION...answer to your question might vary depending on if you're in Victoria or Winnipeg.
Anti-freeze outdoor faucets will freeze and burst in Victoria. I have two to prove that.
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timofeewho wrote: hi, this one toilet bowl in our house doesn't always fill to the same level after a flush, what could be the problem?
Could you more fully describe? Fills low, fills high or what?
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JRGUINNESS wrote: Long story short, Roto Rooter just came and said she needed 25 ft of clay pipe replaced as it was cracked and full of tree roots.

Ie. Remove the flooring, cut the concrete, expose the clay pipe and just have them replace and sign off? Then I backfill and level off with concrete?
Have another plumber that specializes in drains quote, 12k sounds high. Did Roto Rooter provide video of the inspection, wondering how much of the basement slab actually needs to be cut up. Tree roots penetrating the clay pipe outside the house for example would be best case, the pipe under house still sound but full because blockage backs up is common enough. That would be best case. Or did Roto Rooter use a root cutter, clear blockage and then take a video showing tree root intrusion locations are actually under the basement slab?
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Zamboni wrote: Have another plumber that specializes in drains quote, 12k sounds high. Did Roto Rooter provide video of the inspection, wondering how much of the basement slab actually needs to be cut up. Tree roots penetrating the clay pipe outside the house for example would be best case, the pipe under house still sound but full because blockage backs up is common enough. That would be best case. Or did Roto Rooter use a root cutter, clear blockage and then take a video showing tree root intrusion locations are actually under the basement slab?
I thought it was high as well. I know it's a physical and dirty job (cutting concrete and hauling it out), but that still felt high.

We have had roots in another area of clay pipes under the house, but Roto did not use a root cutter. Simply put the camera down and said the clay pipes were collapsed and needed to be replaced.

I will pay for her to get a second quote.

can anyone reccomend a plumber that specializes in drains.
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JRGUINNESS wrote: I thought it was high as well. I know it's a physical and dirty job (cutting concrete and hauling it out), but that still felt high.

We have had roots in another area of clay pipes under the house, but Roto did not use a root cutter. Simply put the camera down and said the clay pipes were collapsed and needed to be replaced.

I will pay for her to get a second quote.

can anyone reccomend a plumber that specializes in drains.
let me know what ends up happening as i have a similar job that needs to be done. I was getting a laundry tub installed last week and we discovered a broken clay pipe under my house as well. they were replacing a small portion where the sink install was going and once they exposed the clay pipe they showed me what happens when we run the sink or toilet...essentially water came rushing through the dirt around the pipe and not in the pipe so it's broken further up somewhere. We will be exploring it next week with a camera to see exactly where it's broken.
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JRGUINNESS wrote: We have had roots in another area of clay pipes under the house, but Roto did not use a root cutter. Simply put the camera down and said the clay pipes were collapsed and needed to be replaced.
That's more info, if the clay pipes are collapsed a root cutter can't be used.
This is a good time to install a backflow preventer if there isn't already one in place.
Buddy is a drain specialist, texted to see if ok to pm you his contact info. Last RFD member he dealt with tried to bargain the agreed upon price lower after work was completed so he might pass Winking Face
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Zamboni wrote: That's more info, if the clay pipes are collapsed a root cutter can't be used.
This is a good time to install a backflow preventer if there isn't already one in place.
Buddy is a drain specialist, texted to see if ok to pm you his contact info. Last RFD member he dealt with tried to bargain the agreed upon price lower after work was completed so he might pass Winking Face
A true gentleman always keeps his word. ;)

I appreciate that, thank you.

And if he needs the labour, I am available to assist.
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Zamboni wrote: That's more info, if the clay pipes are collapsed a root cutter can't be used.
This is a good time to install a backflow preventer if there isn't already one in place.
Buddy is a drain specialist, texted to see if ok to pm you his contact info. Last RFD member he dealt with tried to bargain the agreed upon price lower after work was completed so he might pass Winking Face
+1 when the clay pipe collapses there's may be a misalignment of the pipes so the cutter can realign the pipe. Cutter only used if the pipe has root intrusions into the pipe.

$25k is high...depending on what is there that they have to dig thru (and replace after they dug thru). If it's just garden area, not that hard to dig and fix and backfill. If there's pavers, etc, you have to replace and relay the pavers.

Re. the camera, helps if you get the footage...you can see how many feet out the camera roughly goes before you see roots [FYI it may not be a straight line so you have to kindof guess where the lines are and where they go]. You don't have to replace the entire clay pipe...you only need to replace the sections which are broken.
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We have a 120ft" deep drilled well, with a jet pump and pressure tank installed just inside the foundation wall in our basement, about 15ft from the well head. There are two black poly pipes that come through a hole in the block wall, about 18 inches above the basement floor. My understanding is that smaller of the two is the drive pipe going to the foot valve/ejector and the other is the pressure coming back from the well. I would like to relocate the pump/pressure tank to under the stairs, in the middle of the basement. This would require extending the two pipes up the wall, across the ceiling and back down under the stairs. This would add about 25ft all together, and three 90 degree turns in the pipe.

Is that additional distance and pipe direction changes likely to cause an issue with the pump being able to create flow?

Thanks.
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RiverRd wrote: This would add about 25ft all together, and three 90 degree turns in the pipe.

Is that additional distance and pipe direction changes likely to cause an issue with the pump being able to create flow?
Yep, probably will....you will have to check pump manufacturers install ratings to see if that much length is possible. Pumps can push a long length but on the pull side its limited. You might consider converting to a submersible.
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Hello,

Does anyone know of a good plumber in Toronto/Durham area? We are trying to get ready for a new washing machine but it seems our hot and cold water hoses are either rusted or very difficult to disconnect from the water supply. Rather than trying to force it open and accidentally break some of the pipes, I thought it would be a good idea to get a professional to do it.
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thriftshopper wrote: Could you more fully describe? Fills low, fills high or what?
It's kind of a toss up, either fills normal or fills low

Is it a case of the flapper closing too soon?

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