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Statistics101 wrote:
Dec 26th, 2017 11:06 pm
When my parents (who came from Asia) read the story, the first question they asked was - if this was not a suicide, where were the Sherman's bodyguards?

In Asia, it is common practice in Asia for even remotely wealthy families to have bodyguards, but it doesn't appear to be a common thing over here in Canada.

Back in Asia, both of my grandparents have strongmen that hang around, and they are nowhere near wealthy. My grandfather on my mom's side hired 2 off-duty police officers and they would escort my grandfather around if he needs to take money from his business to the bank. On my dad's side, my grandpa had a guy who works as his driver and shadows him around - he is not a particularly big guy but he carried a gun. This was in the 60-70's when crime rates are higher and muscles were cheap.

I understand that Canada is a safe place to live and kidnapping/ransom is rare, but I often see some very high profile big money people traveling by themselves. This makes me scratch my head, if you have billions of dollars and there is a chance that someone can harm you, why not spend a few hundred thousand dollars and buy a peace of mind?
Becuz wealthy peeps can be the most cheap and frugal people you've ever met. No different with the Shermans. One look at the real estate pics says it all. Spendthrifts they were not. By a long shot.
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Statistics101 wrote:
Dec 26th, 2017 11:06 pm
When my parents (who came from Asia) read the story, the first question they asked was - if this was not a suicide, where were the Sherman's bodyguards?

In Asia, it is common practice in Asia for even remotely wealthy families to have bodyguards, but it doesn't appear to be a common thing over here in Canada.

Back in Asia, both of my grandparents have strongmen that hang around, and they are nowhere near wealthy. My grandfather on my mom's side hired 2 off-duty police officers and they would escort my grandfather around if he needs to take money from his business to the bank. On my dad's side, my grandpa had a guy who works as his driver and shadows him around - he is not a particularly big guy but he carried a gun. This was in the 60-70's when crime rates are higher and muscles were cheap.

I understand that Canada is a safe place to live and kidnapping/ransom is rare, but I often see some very high profile big money people traveling by themselves. This makes me scratch my head, if you have billions of dollars and there is a chance that someone can harm you, why not spend a few hundred thousand dollars and buy a peace of mind?
The greater the spread between wealth & poverty in a country the more need for protection...
ya know in case the masses at the bottom rise up against the lone soul at the top

In Canada, the spread is not as big as it is in other parts of the world including the USA

So not all that many folks see / feel the need for a security detail
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Its pretty clear now the authorities are ruling / have ruled out Murder Suicide
So that leaves Homicide
There are only 4 known reasons for MURDER
1- Sex / Love / Crime of Passion
2- Money
3- Revenge
And
4- Random Act of Violence / Terrorism

Rare is the fourth
The top 3 are most probable

Most Murders are committed by people known to the deceased

Now it’s just a matter of figuring out WHO had motive
And how they gained access to the scene of the crime

That last bit could be the key (literally)
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PointsHubby wrote:
Dec 27th, 2017 12:32 am
Its pretty clear now the authorities are ruling / have ruled out Murder Suicide
So that leaves Homicide
There are only 4 known reasons for MURDER
1- Sex / Love / Crime of Passion
2- Money
3- Revenge
And
4- Random Act of Violence / Terrorism
You missed Corporate Espionage.
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PointsHubby wrote:
Dec 27th, 2017 12:32 am
Its pretty clear now the authorities are ruling / have ruled out Murder Suicide
So that leaves Homicide
There are only 4 known reasons for MURDER
1- Sex / Love / Crime of Passion
2- Money
3- Revenge
And
4- Random Act of Violence / Terrorism

Rare is the fourth
The top 3 are most probable

Most Murders are committed by people known to the deceased

Now it’s just a matter of figuring out WHO had motive
And how they gained access to the scene of the crime

That last bit could be the key (literally)
I don’t think figuring out how access was gained is the key. They could have easily just slipped in when the garage door opened as the Shermans drove in Wednesday night after the meeting with their architect, which I think is the likeliest scenario for how access to the home was gained as it would have been so easy to do that. Even if that could be proven, which it likely cannot, how does that lead you to the killer? Given there was no evidence of forceable entry then a key would have been the only other method unless a window was left open (highly unlikely in the winter) or a door was left unlocked by accident (unlikely too and quite serendipitous that it would have been the same day the killer planned the murder). If someone else had a key such as the cleaning person that only means they would be interviewed and likely discarded as a suspect as there would be no motive unless they were crazy. The same with the Sherman children if they had keys, unless there is a dark side to one or more of the childrens' relationships with their parents that we do not know about.
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BritishColumbian wrote:
Dec 27th, 2017 5:40 am
You missed Corporate Espionage.
I did not make up this list... it is a Homicide Go To for Law Enforcement.

Corporate Espionage I am guessing would fall under Money / Greed, or Revenge... depending on the circumstances.
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eonibm wrote:
Dec 27th, 2017 8:47 am
I don’t think figuring out how access was gained is the key. They could have easily just slipped in when the garage door opened as the Shermans drove in Wednesday night after the meeting with their architect, which I think is the likeliest scenario for how access to the home was gained as it would have been so easy to do that. Even if that could be proven, which it likely cannot, how does that lead you to the killer? Given there was no evidence of forceable entry then a key would have been the only other method unless a window was left open (highly unlikely in the winter) or a door was left unlocked by accident (unlikely too and quite serendipitous that it would have been the same day the killer planned the murder). If someone else had a key such as the cleaning person that only means they would be interviewed and likely discarded as a suspect as there would be no motive unless they were crazy. The same with the Sherman children if they had keys, unless there is a dark side to one or more of the childrens' relationships with their parents that we do not know about.
Considering they still had their coats & boots on then...
Either the killer was IN the house ... gained access themselves or via the Sherman’s inviting them in
Or
Met them outside the house ... gained access via the Sherman’s (at gunpoint ?)

I’m sorry... I think that little bit of evidence on how the killer got into the house IS extremely key
As far as WHO DID IT
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PointsHubby wrote:
Dec 27th, 2017 11:01 am
Considering they still had their coats & boots on then...
Either the killer was IN the house ... gained access themselves or via the Sherman’s inviting them in
Or
Met them outside the house ... gained access via the Sherman’s (at gunpoint ?)

I’m sorry... I think that little bit of evidence on how the killer got into the house IS extremely key
As far as WHO DID IT
I read they had their coats on but missed reading they had their boots on, but not sure if that is relevant except suggesting that the time of death might be the Wed night when they arrived home (which is likely when it happened given they had their coats on), but the autopsy would reveal that anyway.

Ok, so say the killer(s) slipped into the garage when the garage door was open as the Sherman's drove in on Wed eve. Please explain exactly how that is so 'key' to determining 'WHO DID IT'.
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PointsHubby wrote:
Dec 27th, 2017 12:32 am
Its pretty clear now the authorities are ruling / have ruled out Murder Suicide
Although it may be clear to us minions from what we are now hearing, that does not mean it is 'pretty clear' at all that 'the authorities are ruling' out anything as they haven't made an official peep about the case since the bodies were discovered.
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eonibm wrote:
Dec 27th, 2017 11:31 am

I read they had their coats on but missed reading they had their boots on, but not sure if that is relevant except suggesting that the time of death might be the Wed night when they arrived home (which is likely when it happened given they had their coats on), but the autopsy would reveal that anyway.

Ok, so say the killer(s) slipped into the garage when the garage door was open as the Sherman's drove in on Wed eve. Please explain exactly how that is so 'key' to determining 'WHO DID IT'.
eonibm wrote:
Dec 27th, 2017 11:36 am
Although it may be clear to us minions from what we are now hearing, it is not 'pretty clear' at all that 'the authorities are ruling' out anything as they haven't made an official peep about the case since the bodies were discovered.
Your biggest issue is you get stuck in your own mind...

IF the bodies were found as is being stated in various sources
Then ya Murder-Suicide is out, because IT AIN’T PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE (without an accomplice)

To solve a crime sometimes you got to think outside the box...
be that more simplistically, or more complexly

You keep envisioning this “garage door” scenario
And that is because for you in your middle class world it is something you are familiar with
So it seems probable

When these weren’t middle class people
So the garage door might not be “the key” to gaining entry at all

Determining entry is crucial in this case
Cause it will set the stage on WHO the killer might be
Figuring out if they invaded the space, or was invited in, tells the Detectives a lot

Anyhow...

My comments thus far have been more in broad strokes (ie how to solve a crime)
Versus outright speculation on anything, cause I think to do so without more facts
Is well kind of morose & disrespectful to the family
True, they may have been Cdn high profile wealthy personalities in the public domain
BUT they were also someone’s Mom & Dad, and Grandparents
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PointsHubby wrote:
Dec 27th, 2017 12:07 pm
Your biggest issue is you get stuck in your own mind...

IF the bodies were found as is being stated in various sources
Then ya Murder-Suicide is out, because IT AIN’T PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE (without an accomplice)
Not stuck in my own mind at all. All I am saying is you can't be 100% sure as everything we are hearing is 3rd party. I agree with you that is what not murder-suicide but the authorities have not 'clearly' ruled out anything as you claim. You need to unstick your mind from that notion.
PointsHubby wrote:
Dec 27th, 2017 12:07 pm
To solve a crime sometimes you got to think outside the box...
be that more simplistically, or more complexly

You keep envisioning this “garage door” scenario
And that is because for you in your middle class world it is something you are familiar with
So it seems probable

When these weren’t middle class people
So the garage door might not be “the key” to gaining entry at all

Determining entry is crucial in this case
Um, I mentioned many scenarios, specifically (if you care to scroll back to refresh your memory), 'key', 'garage door', 'window', 'door unlocked' so don't make things up that I am envisioning only one scenario. Quite the contrary! You are the one who is stuck on focusing on one thing that I said and conveniently disregarding the rest.
PointsHubby wrote:
Dec 27th, 2017 12:07 pm
Determining entry is crucial in this case
Cause it will set the stage on WHO the killer might be
Figuring out if they invaded the space, or was invited in, tells the Detectives a lot

Anyhow...

My comments thus far have been more in broad strokes (ie how to solve a crime)
Versus outright speculation on anything, cause I think to do so without more facts
Is well kind of morose & disrespectful to the family
They may have been Cdn high profile wealth personalities in the public domain
BUT they were also someone’s Mom & Dad, and Grandparents
You say you make broad strokes but forget that at the same time you are making very specific statements and keep avoiding backing up your statement that knowing the mode of entry is the key. How exactly is it the key? (Hint: Think outside of your (obviously) little box).
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What is with you ?

People try to contribute to this topic, and you attack them.

I too am done.
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PointsHubby wrote:
Dec 27th, 2017 12:20 pm
What is with you ?

People try to contribute to this topic, and you attack them.

I too am done.
You are attacking me by conveniently misreporting what I said. Then you make outrageous statements with no basis, ie murder-suicide has 'clearly' been ruled out by the authorities when it clearly has not! They haven't said a word. Then you won't answer a simple question to back up your assertion yet attack others. Sheesh!
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Read what you want into it
My post or this Murder
I’ve come to the realization...
That you are going to do that no matter what
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Statistics101 wrote:
Dec 26th, 2017 11:06 pm
When my parents (who came from Asia) read the story, the first question they asked was - if this was not a suicide, where were the Sherman's bodyguards?

In Asia, it is common practice in Asia for even remotely wealthy families to have bodyguards, but it doesn't appear to be a common thing over here in Canada.

Back in Asia, both of my grandparents have strongmen that hang around, and they are nowhere near wealthy. My grandfather on my mom's side hired 2 off-duty police officers and they would escort my grandfather around if he needs to take money from his business to the bank. On my dad's side, my grandpa had a guy who works as his driver and shadows him around - he is not a particularly big guy but he carried a gun. This was in the 60-70's when crime rates are higher and muscles were cheap.

I understand that Canada is a safe place to live and kidnapping/ransom is rare, but I often see some very high profile big money people traveling by themselves. This makes me scratch my head, if you have billions of dollars and there is a chance that someone can harm you, why not spend a few hundred thousand dollars and buy a peace of mind?
Aren't they worried that their bodyguards will turn into their jailers one day? What's keeping those strongmen from keeping the kids under 24/7 'protection' so your elderly grandfather is forced to do what they say?

Outsiders will be used to seeing them with the family all the time, and they really only need to threaten the person or people in charge. The rest of the family would keep living normally in ignorance while their 'bodyguards' hold swords over their heads that only the head of the family knows about.
Could HAVE, not could OF. What does 'could of' even mean?

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