[Merged] Anyone heard of a new show coming out called Homeland?

[diggler649]

It's premiering Oct 2nd but it's on Showtime which isn't available in Canada. Guess it'll have to be a download.

Looks good though.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqddY2sOk6U

[xpoint9]

At the beginning I thought it was just a typical Arab terrorist enemy show, but it actually looks interesting.

Hmm looks like its available for download. Here's the quality:

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Since its available as a web only episode it's edited and only Tv-14. I'll wait for the unrated version.

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/8923/vlcsnap2011091415h29m20.png

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Also that's :arrowu: Morena Baccarin (Anna from 'V' or Inara from Firefly)

[diggler649]

Also that's :arrowu: Morena Baccarin (Anna from 'V' or Inara from Firefly)

She is a hottie. Was quite disappointed when V was cancelled.

[alba_luvr]

I saw the web only/itunes release version of this a few weeks ago and i actually enjoyed it. It's one of those shows that keeps you on the edge of your seat wondering if the guy is good or if he's bad and the show is actually written quite intelligently. I highly recommend it.

[xpoint9]

anyone following this show?

[canguy9999]

Its pretty good, kind of reminds me of Damages.

[Mike71]

Its my favorite new show so far this year. Damian Lewis is fantastic in it and glad to see he got another good character to play after NBC cancelled Life which I really liked. Great plot, and interesting and complex characters. Nice to see Mandy Patankin back on TV again too after his departure from Criminal Minds.

[ashgotti]

Its my favorite new show so far this year. Damian Lewis is fantastic in it and glad to see he got another good character to play after NBC cancelled Life which I really liked. Great plot, and interesting and complex characters. Nice to see Mandy Patankin back on TV again too after his departure from Criminal Minds.

I watch anything he's in. Very good actor and picks great shows to be on.

[Kuurgen]

+1 For this show.

Intelligent, and well acted, marathoned it over the past few days, and it definitely makes it on my must watch list.


The name sucks, which is what put me off, kept thinking of Homeland Security (a reality show about border guards)

Seriously, give it at least 2 episodes, I find this show grabs you almost immediately.

To sum up the show, it's about CIA analysts who get a tip that an American POW has been turned into an Al-Qaeda operative.

Season 2 is already picked up, so that's a good sign.

[Mike71]

+1 For this show.

Intelligent, and well acted, marathoned it over the past few days, and it definitely makes it on my must watch list.


The name sucks, which is what put me off, kept thinking of Homeland Security (a reality show about border guards)

Seriously, give it at least 2 episodes, I find this show grabs you almost immediately.

To sum up the show, it's about CIA analysts who get a tip that an American POW has been turned into an Al-Qaeda operative.

Season 2 is already picked up, so that's a good sign.


I didn't know it had already been renewed for season 2. That is great news, its the best new show this year for sure.

[Kuurgen]

Great episode tonight with a great twist!

Loving this show!

[lor74]

+1, great ending....nice not to have any idea how it's going to unfold.

[Mike71]

This show just keeps getting better, its what 24 could/should have been.

[Kuurgen]

Season Finale was great, the Claire Danes breakdown in the last episode was great, she makes a scary crazy face!
I'm really looking forward to seeing how Season 2 plays out.

My one pet peeve about watching shows as they air, instead of waiting for a few seasons to come out and then viewing them. The waiting. :)

The tousling of the woman's hair as he left her apartment was a great touch! Lol

[2k4accord]

This is a great show to watch so far.
Great story and not too much drama going on.
Very unpredictable which make it very entertaining to watch.

[Abel4Life]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh_TPjZJCRc

Official Season 2 Trailer is Out. Looks Good. Can't wait.

[gilbert104]

I have not heard about it yet.

[LostInTruth]

I hope it does not go the way of 24....

[Electricute]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh_TPjZJCRc

Official Season 2 Trailer is Out. Looks Good. Can't wait.

kinda looks boring, i enjoyed S1, and will prob watch S2. but i guess cant show spoilers in a preview.

[buffylover]

i think it looks like its gonna be awesome!

[bembol]

It got my attention when it dominated at this year's Emmy Awards.

I just finished watching the Pilot and absolutely loved it! I hate that I have to wait, downloading on iTunes.

[JLee]

Season 1 was really good! I hope Season 2 can deliver

[TheRealVinsanity]

Going to watch it soon.. I can't wait !

[flashy_mcflash]

Are you guys still watching this?? I can't believe this show's capacity to top itself with every episode. So much tension.

[Ryan]

I'm waiting until the end of the season so I can watch it straight. Thankfully with cable shows you only have to wait 3 months.

[flashy_mcflash]

Yeah we marathoned the first season and it's pretty agonizing watching it from week to week now.

[BD12]

Ya, this show is awesome. I don't think it'll go past 4-5 seasons seeing how quick things are moving along so far. The ep where Carrie meets up with the intel was insane.

[konfusion666]

Are you guys still watching this?? I can't believe this show's capacity to top itself with every episode. So much tension.

it's basically the best show on tv right now. a shame that very few people actually know about it.

ALTHOUGH, the most recent episode concerned me because it could be a potential series ender (!) or at the very least completely change the dynamics of the series that we know so far.

[comicbookguy]

Heard so much about this show, I have to watch it now. I'm gonna start downloading it!

[flashy_mcflash]

ithe most recent episode concerned me because it could be a potential series ender (!) or at the very least completely change the dynamics of the series that we know so far.That's what I thought about the last season finale, but they have a way of pulling it all back together. I don't think a show with as much critical acclaim would be in any danger of cancellation.

But the writing on this show is so amazing. They don't tease you for a whole season before giving you HUGE revalations and character changes.

I've gotta say, even though I really hate Clare Danes, this show really is the best thing going today. It may even surpass Breaking Bad.

[BD12]

I don't think it'll ever surpass Breaking Bad. Too many badass/memorable villains and classic scenes.

[flashy_mcflash]

I don't think it'll ever surpass Breaking Bad. Too many badass/memorable villains and classic scenes.

I don't know, the Nicholas Brody and Carrie Matheson characters are pretty amazing, and Abu Nazir is a really good villain. Given time, I think it could be better.

One thing I'd give Breaking Bad though, is that they are more inventively-written and shot.

[konfusion666]

I don't think it'll ever surpass Breaking Bad. Too many badass/memorable villains and classic scenes.

Lately (for me personally), i've really grown apathetic towards Heisenberg. I love jesse pinkman and hank though, they keep me interested in the show. oops thread derail


I don't know, the Nicholas Brody and Carrie Matheson characters are pretty amazing

yes, i love both characters and i even find i can sympathize with both of their PoV's -- even if they are on opposite sides of the battlefield.

[LostInTruth]

Wow, they actually went there. Going from Dexter to Homeland is like night and day. The writers are not afraid to take risks! Brilliant acting in that hotel room scene. Breaking Bad and Homeland are too entirely different shows. To be honest, nothing will ever surpass The Wire in its writing; and as much as I love these two shows, they are not as grounded.

[SCEvan]

Marathon'd this last week on Blu-ray, good series but a bit over-hyped IMO. Good to see Damien Lewis back on his game, last good thing I saw him in was Band of Brothers. The show really takes me back to "24" the Homeland executive producer was also exec producer on 24 (saw that on this bonus features). With that said I think the show is destined to fail, kind of like "Flashforward" how long can the Carrie vs. Brody go on before it gets repetitive? I don't think a Carrie vs. *insert random terrorist here* would be as thrilling, but only time will tell how the show goes on.

[newt_101]

Watched the entire show (up to date) in less than two days: awesome!

Not sure if I'd say it's better than Breaking Bad (I consider that the best drama on TV right now) simply based on the fact that I'm not sure how this show is going to play out after a couple of seasons; could get stale quick. Other than hating Claire Danes' character I'm definitely looking forward to watching more of this.

The latest episode felt like a season finale - "You are a disgrace to your nation sergeant Nicholas Brody, you are a traitor and a terrorist now its time you pay"

[BD12]

Meh episode tbh (only part i liked was the first part of the interrogation)...not sure where they're going with the daughter scenes...they're not even necessary.

[konfusion666]

As we've all feared, it does appear as if the show has peaked!

[LostInTruth]

Marathon'd this last week on Blu-ray, good series but a bit over-hyped IMO. Good to see Damien Lewis back on his game, last good thing I saw him in was Band of Brothers. The show really takes me back to "24" the Homeland executive producer was also exec producer on 24 (saw that on this bonus features). With that said I think the show is destined to fail, kind of like "Flashforward" how long can the Carrie vs. Brody go on before it gets repetitive? I don't think a Carrie vs. *insert random terrorist here* would be as thrilling, but only time will tell how the show goes on.

I don't think the show is overhyped because it more than often delivers. I consider John Hamm to be overhyped though.

I don't know how anyone can hate Carrie? Claire Danes plays her with such brilliance, I cannot keep my eyes off her. Right now she is the best thing on TV. I have yet to see last night's episode, but I hear Damian Lewis delivered? I really wish they'd re-cast Morena Baccarin, because although she's sexy as hell, I cannot support her lackluster acting at this time.

I truly hope Homeland can sustain greatness and reaches a palpable conclusion and not go off the brinks like Dexter did. Reign it in Showtime, but don't interfere with the writers creativeness (though tell them to cutback on the silly cr@p, such as Brody in the forrest)

[LostInTruth]

I wonder where they are going with this show.

I HOPE they do not drag this show out (a la Dexter). I think 3 good seasons will do this show good. However, it all depends on where they are going with it. Damien Lewis, thank-you for rising to the occasion on last Sunday's episode. Claire Danes, still awesome.

[SCEvan]

I wonder where they are going with this show.

I HOPE they do not drag this show out (a la Dexter).

This is exactly my concern, I haven't started season two yet, but I read Damien Lewis and Claire Danes have signed on for 5 more seasons...

[bembol]

Five more seasons?

I don't know id that's good or bad news. I'm loving season two so far but I wanted them to stretch monitoring Brody a little bit but it lasted only one episode.

[flashy_mcflash]

I think there's a ton of places they can go with it. Abu Nazir is perfectly presented here and I could really see them making a few seasons out of him just being elusive and shadowy. It would be amazing if he can capture and turn some of the existing CIA agents - maybe even Saul! It'll be interesting to see if they incorporate some of the unrest in Syria that's going on right now. Anyone else catch that, in storyline, they had Nazir take responsibility for that train bombing in Madrid?

I'm really interested to see what they do with the daughter as well. I didn't like her much in the first season but she's definitely grown stronger as an actress.

[LostInTruth]

I think there's a ton of places they can go with it. Abu Nazir is perfectly presented here and I could really see them making a few seasons out of him just being elusive and shadowy. It would be amazing if he can capture and turn some of the existing CIA agents - maybe even Saul! It'll be interesting to see if they incorporate some of the unrest in Syria that's going on right now. Anyone else catch that, in storyline, they had Nazir take responsibility for that train bombing in Madrid?

I'm really interested to see what they do with the daughter as well. I didn't like her much in the first season but she's definitely grown stronger as an actress.

It's sad when she outacts her parents.

The thing is, I don't want this show to be another 24 (was never a fan) or get too convoluted. 5 seasons is a bit much. It can work, but from a storyline perspective, they would need to set it up masterfully (i.e. The Wire). The show is good, the writing is more good than bad, acting is excellent (but not from everyone..) indifferent to the pacing, and the plot points get annoying at times - If they can improve these things, then MAYBE I can see 5 seasons. 3 solid seasons should have been Homeland. I would even push for four. That's why I like Breaking Bad and prefer network tv (minus awful redundant Dexter) because they tend to have a beginning - middle - & end (ok Weeds went off the rails too). Too many writers sacrifice hype/ratings for story.

[wszeto28]

Just finished my Homeland marathon. The first half of season 1 was a bit slow but ever since then it's been pretty good. Season 2 so far has been really entertaining. Brody's wife is so hot :D

[flashy_mcflash]

It's sad when she outacts her parents.

The thing is, I don't want this show to be another 24 (was never a fan) or get too convoluted. 5 seasons is a bit much. It can work, but from a storyline perspective, they would need to set it up masterfully (i.e. The Wire). The show is good, the writing is more good than bad, acting is excellent (but not from everyone..) indifferent to the pacing, and the plot points get annoying at times - If they can improve these things, then MAYBE I can see 5 seasons. 3 solid seasons should have been Homeland. I would even push for four. That's why I like Breaking Bad and prefer network tv (minus awful redundant Dexter) because they tend to have a beginning - middle - & end (ok Weeds went off the rails too). Too many writers sacrifice hype/ratings for story.

On the other hand, The Wire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wire) and The Shield (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shield) managed to maintain very very high quality over the course of five seasons and a whopping SEVEN seasons respectively. The Shield, especially, blows almost any other show completely out of the water and I actually like it more than The Wire.

[konfusion666]

What an insane episode!

[bembol]

Is Quinn dead? That was an insane episode, they got owned!

I love his character, I even Googled him to see if he's in future episodes. Nothing.

[konfusion666]

Is Quinn dead? That was an insane episode, they got owned!

I love his character, I even Googled him to see if he's in future episodes. Nothing.

although... doesn't it feel like Homeland is sorta morphing into a non-realtime version of 24?
sorta?

oh well, it's still great entertainment

[bembol]

Yes, this is why I questioned them signing to a five year.

I dumped 24 after the third season, TBH it slipped after mid season of two and gave third a chance. Homeland is still very strong!

[newt_101]

SPOILER

Did anyone notice that in last night's episode they said something along the lines of having '7 casualties' but in next episode's sneak peek they state '6 casualties'?
I think Quinn is probably alive, but Danny is dead?

[konfusion666]

Danny Galvez? probably. he always seemed like a bit of a redshirt :D

[flashy_mcflash]

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/abu-nazir/9/508/9a5

ruh roh

[bembol]

Two episodes left. :(

[MkmBandit]

Awful, awful show.

But I am still watching it for some reason.. I can already tell when the show comes to an end I'll probably forget about it pretty quick.

[flashy_mcflash]

Awful, awful show.

But I am still watching it for some reason.. I can already tell when the show comes to an end I'll probably forget about it pretty quick.

Care to qualiify that a bit? What don't you like about it, specifically? Personally I believe that this show does tension better than any other on TV, even Boardwalk and Breaking Bad, though I like the characters more on those two shows.

[jenblaze]

I really enjoy the show .. even though I can't stand Carrie and Brody's daughter ("DAD?! DAD!!!!"). It's really good in building suspense and keeping you hooked in. Have you guys seen the SNL parody? Dead on!

[flashy_mcflash]

I hate Dana so much, but I think his idiot son is worse. How can he be so clueless??

heh
https://twitter.com/SergeantBrody

[jenblaze]

https://twitter.com/SergeantBrody

haha I was just going to edit my post to include that link. Amazing!

[MkmBandit]

Care to qualiify that a bit? What don't you like about it, specifically? Personally I believe that this show does tension better than any other on TV, even Boardwalk and Breaking Bad, though I like the characters more on those two shows.

The tension built up in the plot is there, for sure. The acting from Brody and his family are brilliant. Not too fond of the rest of the cast.

My first issue is this relationship between Brody and the bipolar agent Carrie. She's an absolute psychopath. Those love scenes with them, I don't know what's going on with the writers, but they seriously need to tone that down. It makes Brody come off like a complete tool. Though his "you know what, I like it" line from a couple of episodes ago does some justice to that mess, but it's still terribly unbelievable.

Then you have Peter. I liked what he did in the interrogation room with Brody, that knife in the hand was a nice little move by the writers. But then he gets ambushed and shot in the tailors shop. [cut scene] He's discharging himself from the hospital after being shot. [cut scene] The shooter/terrorist is identified, Peter doesn't even bat an eye. Yeah, if I got shot and the shooter was identified, I'd probably at least change my facial expression.

The whole plot requires a lot of acceptance of roughly characterized antagonists, and a general acceptance that the entire cast lives under a dome of their own rules.

I suppose my previous post was a bit harsh but I stand by my general opinion which is that the show is very, very unbelievable. Unless you're willing to buy into the discrepancies. But that's asking a lot of a viewer when the plot is something that's supposed to hit close to home.

Homeland is still better then Scandal, so I guess it has something going for it at least.

[markom]

Please Abu Nazir, kill Dana to end our miseries!

[Migger]

I hate Dana so much, but I think his idiot son is worse. How can he be so clueless??

heh
https://twitter.com/SergeantBrody

Glad other people picked up on what a complete and utter tool the son is. How old is the kid anyway? He's very... slow.

[LostInTruth]

The whole plot requires a lot of acceptance of roughly characterized antagonists, and a general acceptance that the entire cast lives under a dome of their own rules.

I suppose my previous post was a bit harsh but I stand by my general opinion which is that the show is very, very unbelievable. Unless you're willing to buy into the discrepancies. But that's asking a lot of a viewer when the plot is something that's supposed to hit close to home.


I hate to say this, but I agree. Why must television always insult their viewers in this manner? They could have easily let the story unfold, but noooo, they had to go the unbelievable shock route instead. The writing was terrible too. I think they should do one more season and just wrap it up, if they want to go all adrenaline with this show like 24. The acting for the most part is solid, but the plot points bring this show down tremendously. Let the characters EVOLVE on their own terms. Ever since the episode where Carrie exposes Brodie in the hotel room, this show has not been able to sustain its mojo. I feel like this plot point is equally as bad as that insipid flower on Breaking Bad that Walt used to poison the kid of Jessies girlfriend son. Ugh, hate lazy writing!!

[Electricute]

think the show jumped the shark after the whole scene with the vice president. That was just horribly written. The whole brody and carrie relationship is fking stupid too and i hate where it's going.

[jenblaze]

Brody needs to die. This love story is really killing the plot line. Or at lease SOMEONE please take out Dana.
I can't take both Carrie's and Dana's freakout in one episode.

[MkmBandit]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdevdxArUe1rz5tpro1_400.jpg

I want so much to like this show.. the premise is something I bought into right from the first episode. But I just can't seem to find any sort of sustainable logic behind the twists.

[jenblaze]

http://i45.tinypic.com/1411g94.png

claire danes has really got the "ugly/weird" expressions down.

[BD12]

Since the episode where Brody bailed out and saved Nasir the show has really gone down the crapper. Not even going to bother with next season and the lovey-dovey scenes with Carrie/Brody are just cringe-worthy. In addition, Brody's son needs to get smacked in the face by his sister, the VP's son subplot sucked ***** , and LOL at Danny Galvez surviving the shootout. Hilarious stuff.

[john widow]

Well I think Homeland is more interesting than Dexter.

Brody's son just plays video games all the time. If he wasn't even part of the show it wouldn't matter much. What happened to Brody's daughter OLD boyfriend, the one who used to hang out at their home all the time? No mention of him being angry about the new bf.....In the shoot out where 7 team members were taken out....Didn't everyone come back alive? That was pretty stupid...only quinn should've come back alive. Makes that scene less intense.

[bembol]

Last week's felt like a filler episode. Danny surviving and making him a suspect was pretty week by the writers.

I also agree that I'm not liking this Carrie and Brody relationship it needs to end.

[flashy_mcflash]

Well I think Homeland is more interesting than Dexter.

Brody's son just plays video games all the time. If he wasn't even part of the show it wouldn't matter much. What happened to Brody's daughter OLD boyfriend, the one who used to hang out at their home all the time? No mention of him being angry about the new bf.....In the shoot out where 7 team members were taken out....Didn't everyone come back alive? That was pretty stupid...only quinn should've come back alive. Makes that scene less intense.

Only Quinn and I think the other guy who was driving to the hospital in this last episode survived, no? They repeatedly talked about how many men were lost on that raid.

[Electricute]

galvex is the mole for sure. unless the writers are messed up and write some new chracter to be the mole. galvez makes the most sense, and only real reason to keep him around. could have easily opened his stiches onces he starts getting chased by carrie

[konfusion666]

galvez being the mole is too "stereotypical". i think it's someone you would never guess, like Saul (who is Jewish)

[flashy_mcflash]

I don't think it's Saul - maybe Estes is feeding information to Nazir's network? I've suspected Estes as a mole for quite a while.

Oooh, or maybe it's Victor or Victor's assistant guy.

[MkmBandit]

The mole is Mike! I mean, is his character really supposed to act that daft? Maybe it's a ploy.

Seriously though, I'm with flashy on this, if I had to guess either Estes or Virgil's assistant (brother?). He was a sketchpad right from the first episode, that look he gave carrie during Brodie's home tapping. First I thought he was just socially awkward like most tech geniuses, but this is plausible..

[flashy_mcflash]

Virgil not Victor, lol. I'm mixing up this show with Dexter heh.

[konfusion666]

I don't think it's Saul - maybe Estes is feeding information to Nazir's network? I've suspected Estes as a mole for quite a while.

but now that we know Estes is "in" with CIA Black Ops (Dar Adal; what kind of name is that anyway???) I think that's much less likely.

if Estes was the mole, Dar Adal would be dead rather than moving house every 3 weeks.


The mole is Mike! I mean, is his character really supposed to act that daft? Maybe it's a ploy.

Mike is just The Douche. he drives a Camaro so obviously he isn't smart enough to be the mole

true, the mole could be Virgil/Virgil's brother

[Electricute]

virgil and mike cannot be the mole. How would they get the combination to estes safe, or know about the airport people.


este's (dont think) can be the mole, cause why wouldn't estes just give nazir the codes, rather than have brody come in and steal them?

i've also thought saul could be the mole (he plays a muslim on the show) but why would he turn brody in when he had the confession, when no1 else knew about it?

[konfusion666]

eh, saul plays a muslim on the show? pretty sure he plays a jewish person

[Electricute]

eh, saul plays a muslim on the show? pretty sure he plays a jewish person

could be wrong cause im neither. but im pretty sure his wife was muslim, and he was praying with her before she left

[flashy_mcflash]

could be wrong cause im neither. but im pretty sure his wife was muslim, and he was praying with her before she left

Saul is Jewish. There's no debate there, and his wife was Hindu I believe, not Muslim.

[MkmBandit]

hmm, intersting episode this week.. standard awkwardness of the plot aside, this was probably the best episode. Lots happens/changes..

[randomkidx]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdevdxArUe1rz5tpro1_400.jpg



This face is why I stopped watching the show, she is unbelievably ugly and weird when she makes those faces and it feels like you are dealing with a crazy ex crying and freaking out and you just want to leave the house :lol:

Show is overrated as hell

[Kuurgen]

This face is why I stopped watching the show, she is unbelievably ugly and weird when she makes those faces and it feels like you are dealing with a crazy ex crying and freaking out and you just want to leave the house :lol:


Show is overrated as hell

LOL. her crazy face is just scary. I'd disagree with it being overrated, it's earned it's praise. In all honesty I think Mandy Patinkin is the real star of this show.

[zod]

It definitely felt like a 24 season ender. You think everythings going to get wrapped up nicely.. then wham Jack (er Brody) has to go on the run.. lol.

The CIA should know somethings up because they were already in possession of the video and knew it's source (IE it wasn't brody taking credit for the new bomb). The damage to Brody's credibility should be in the crapper though, even if Carrie could exhaunerate him. I suppose they needed a twist for a season 3.

I'll try watching next season.. hopefully its a bit better.

[flashy_mcflash]

The CIA should know somethings up because they were already in possession of the video and knew it's source (IE it wasn't brody taking credit for the new bomb). The damage to Brody's credibility should be in the crapper though, even if Carrie could exhaunerate him.

Right now, I believe the only people alive who know the truth about the confession are:

- Brody (of course)
- Carrie
- Quinn
- Saul
- I guess Virgil and his buddy
- Dana (sort of)

Saul is now in a position of power but even he won't be able to protect Brody much because public opinion and probably every other branch of government/military other than the CIA are now against him. Should be an awesome Season 3.

[konfusion666]

so what happened to the whole "mole" thing from S01? (and part of S02; i.e. carrie yelling at wounded Galvez)

[MkmBandit]

so what happened to the whole "mole" thing from S01? (and part of S02; i.e. carrie yelling at wounded Galvez)

Maybe this series of smileys can sum it up..

:-0 :eek: :rolleyes: :confused: :facepalm: :|

[bembol]

LOL. her crazy face is just scary. I'd disagree with it being overrated, it's earned it's praise. In all honesty I think Mandy Patinkin is the real star of this show.

LMAO. First time I heard someone stop watching over one's appearance. Isn't Mandy Patinkin THE star from the beginning, I did. He's the reason why I gave it a shot.

As I said, reading that this show has been renewed for 4-5 more seasons may be it's downfall. How far can they stretch this story out but I love last Sunday's season finale. Everything is out of the bag.

[flashy_mcflash]

As I said, reading that this show has been renewed for 4-5 more seasons may be it's downfall. How far can they stretch this story out but I love last Sunday's season finale. Everything is out of the bag.

Not everything. They are effectively communicating the message that terrorists are not concerned about individual figures and are dedicated to a cause far greater than themselves. Killing Abu Nazir did nothing to quell the atrocities they can commit. This is why Carrie breaks down in the office right after the blast. How do you fight an enemy whose plans are so elaborate as to allow for his own death?

I mean, we thought the series had to end when they caught Brody, but this show is masterful at shifting the goalposts and coming up with new threats and twists, so I wouldn't expect it to fall off until it actually does.

Also, I have to say, it was a pretty amazing achievement that they shot this whole season around Clare Danes' pregnancy.

[jenblaze]

Its interesting that Quinn and Carrie had to make similar types of choices over their job vs their emotions. Both decided to follow their emotions. Guess that's why the episode was called 'The Choice' ??

Saul is definitely the best character on the show, but Quinn got some major bonus points after the finale!

http://i46.tinypic.com/2hrijdl.jpg

[john widow]

Estes is good too....except now he's gone :( Good for the show though. The show is really good at hiding characters ulterior motives....u dont know wut side someone could be on as it can be both.

[Neovingian]

I also marthoned this show in the last weekend, I agree and disagee with a lot of points made.
- Morena Baccarin's acting is hard to watch, good thing she's smoking hot + got that milf thing going for her and she ops to do partial nude scenes
- Why is there so much focus on the daughter Dana at times she seems like the smartest one in that family
- The guy who plays Brody, his acting is really mechanical and he was poorly casted in that role. Can't wait for his character to die off. Mind you its a difficult role to pull off in the first place, but at times he comes off too stiff and not believe-able. He's better as a politician than he is a turned marine/terrorist in training/Nazir's BFF/ Wannabee Muslim.
- The guy who plays Saul is the best actor on the show hands down. i'm almost certain Saul is also not the mole.
- Claire Daines aka Carrie's role is so layered and complex, not too many actresses could pull it off, she needs to stop making ulgy faces and they need to find her a new love interest so she can get off being sprung and get off Brody's sac.
- Estes is one sneaky SOB, I think either he is the mole and leaked to info plus the blades to that dude who slit his wrists in interrogation
- My other guess for the mole is the Lebanese Muslin guy who works with Carrie.
- Haven't got thru seas 2 yet but from what I've seen its not as good as seas 1. definitely not worthy of 5 seasons.
- There seems to be a few unresolved plot holes from season 1: Who was the leak in the CIA, significance of the rich girl who married Faizal who was captured and what happaned to her? Why wasn't Walker's wife charged with messing up investigation after messing up the CIA's plans.

- Can't be really be compared to the Wire yet, the Wire was more gritty and more morally corrupt characters, also keep in mind the Wire had a minimal shoestring budget, even HBO didn't even believe in it, so much so it wasn't shot or released in HD. The wire is a success due to exceptional writing, plots, strong character dev and great mostly actors. I'll look back and compare after Homeland gets 3 more seasons. Its tough to have a show be strong for 1 season let alone 5, 6, 7 or 8. The closest one to ever do this was probably 24 but even then it fell off.

- Some of the plots remind me of what was done in Sleeper Cell (anyone remember that short lived show with Oded Fehr)

I'll revist this after watching seas 2.

[flashy_mcflash]

I also marthoned this show in the last weekend, I agree and disagee with a lot of points made.
- Morena Baccarin's acting is hard to watch, good thing she's smoking hot + got that milf thing going for her and she ops to do partial nude scenes


I agree. A lot of people seem to like her but I don't really get the appeal beyond the superficial.


- Why is there so much focus on the daughter Dana at times she seems like the smartest one in that family

She probably is, though that's not saying much. She has a more expanded role in season 2.


- The guy who plays Brody, his acting is really mechanical and he was poorly casted in that role. Can't wait for his character to die off. Mind you its a difficult role to pull off in the first place, but at times he comes off too stiff and not believe-able. He's better as a politician than he is a turned marine/terrorist in training/Nazir's BFF/ Wannabee Muslim.

It is a tough role to play, but I like his portrayal. Remember that he is playing a man that was broken down for years and tortured before being let back into the world. I think the best analogy is when you wake up and your eyes are still adjusting to the light - he's uncomfortable living in society and I think the portrayal is very good.

Regarding your plot holes, every one of them is closed in Season 2.

[LostInTruth]

I also marthoned this show in the last weekend, I agree and disagee with a lot of points made.
- Morena Baccarin's acting is hard to watch, good thing she's smoking hot + got that milf thing going for her and she ops to do partial nude scenes
- Why is there so much focus on the daughter Dana at times she seems like the smartest one in that family
- The guy who plays Brody, his acting is really mechanical and he was poorly casted in that role. Can't wait for his character to die off. Mind you its a difficult role to pull off in the first place, but at times he comes off too stiff and not believe-able. He's better as a politician than he is a turned marine/terrorist in training/Nazir's BFF/ Wannabee Muslim.
- The guy who plays Saul is the best actor on the show hands down. i'm almost certain Saul is also not the mole.
- Claire Daines aka Carrie's role is so layered and complex, not too many actresses could pull it off, she needs to stop making ulgy faces and they need to find her a new love interest so she can get off being sprung and get off Brody's sac.
- Estes is one sneaky SOB, I think either he is the mole and leaked to info plus the blades to that dude who slit his wrists in interrogation
- My other guess for the mole is the Lebanese Muslin guy who works with Carrie.
- Haven't got thru seas 2 yet but from what I've seen its not as good as seas 1. definitely not worthy of 5 seasons.
- There seems to be a few unresolved plot holes from season 1: Who was the leak in the CIA, significance of the rich girl who married Faizal who was captured and what happaned to her? Why wasn't Walker's wife charged with messing up investigation after messing up the CIA's plans.

- Can't be really be compared to the Wire yet, the Wire was more gritty and more morally corrupt characters, also keep in mind the Wire had a minimal shoestring budget, even HBO didn't even believe in it, so much so it wasn't shot or released in HD. The wire is a success due to exceptional writing, plots, strong character dev and great mostly actors. I'll look back and compare after Homeland gets 3 more seasons. Its tough to have a show be strong for 1 season let alone 5, 6, 7 or 8. The closest one to ever do this was probably 24 but even then it fell off.

- Some of the plots remind me of what was done in Sleeper Cell (anyone remember that short lived show with Oded Fehr)

I'll revist this after watching seas 2.

I wholeheartedly agree. The actor who plays Brody is awful, but Claire Danes elevates him. They have an undeniable chemistry.

Claire Danes is phenomenal and they hid her pregnancy very well. Mandy Patikin is equally impressive, and the shows moral compass IMO.

My wish for season 3 is slow down and go back to the basics. I always prefer character driven entertainment; I need to see more of that and less lazy hi jinx.

[redpattison]

Seems slow and lost its entertainment factor.

[flashy_mcflash]

Nope. Homeland has some of the fastest and best pacing of any show currently on television. They don't seem to draw *anything* out and burn through storylines extremely quickly.

Also, the Homeland thread is here (http://forums.redflagdeals.com/anyone-heard-new-show-coming-out-called-homeland-1087704/).

[Barbo811]

I tried watching it once and didn't last through the first 2 episodes, I thought it was extremely boring and slow. I decided to give it another try a month later and I'm glad I did. Half of the episodes in season 2 felt like they could be a finale.

[Typhoonz]

Everybody at school keeps talking about this show. I failed to see what all the hype was about the first time I tried watching it. Perhaps I should give it another shot :S.

[sherman51]

As with a lot of shows, it helps to watch multiple episodes together. When you watch them once a week, they do lose something but collectively, it is a great series.

[MkmBandit]

Homeland was going down the toilet in a hurry until the last (latest) episode. Now I'm mildly interested again.

[flashy_mcflash]

I'm not seeing what wasn't compelling about every single episode in the second season. Once they set the wheels in motion at the beginning I was hooked and rapt for every new episode.

[Drew87]

I'm not seeing what wasn't compelling about every single episode in the second season. Once they set the wheels in motion at the beginning I was hooked and rapt for every new episode.

I think Homeland is becoming a show that people are starting to hate because of it's popularity - at first it was " have you heard of this new show Homeland? It's awesome " to now being one of the most popular shows on air.....

[spicytofu]

I tried to get into this series, watched the first 6 episodes of season 1 then stopped. Might try again as I like Damian Lewis from Band of Brothers and Life (featuring the ever hot Sarah Shahi).

[MkmBandit]

I think Homeland is becoming a show that people are starting to hate because of it's popularity - at first it was " have you heard of this new show Homeland? It's awesome " to now being one of the most popular shows on air.....

Popularity has nothing to do with it. The entire plot is riddled with holes, misguided relationships, predictable twists and unfathomable outcomes. It literally is a cross between Lost and 24 in the way it's scratching at the wall trying to progress.

And then.. there's this..

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdevdxArUe1rz5tpro1_400.jpg

[flashy_mcflash]

Popularity has nothing to do with it. The entire plot is riddled with holes, misguided relationships, predictable twists and unfathomable outcomes. It literally is a cross between Lost and 24 in the way it's scratching at the wall trying to progress.


Unmitigated nonsense. What plot holes? What predictable twists? What unfathomable outcomes? Be specific.

Lost? Put the crackpipe down.

[Drew87]

Popularity has nothing to do with it. The entire plot is riddled with holes, misguided relationships, predictable twists and unfathomable outcomes. It literally is a cross between Lost and 24 in the way it's scratching at the wall trying to progress.

And then.. there's this..

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdevdxArUe1rz5tpro1_400.jpg

Wel um, do you watch shows blindly or do you care at all at who came up with the idea of the show and who created it? because the bolded part was OBVIOUS and kind of expected to anyone that doesn't just watch shows blindly....

"Homeland was developed by Howard Gordon and Alex Gansa in early 2010. The two had previously worked together on the similarly-themed series 24." - a million sites on google.

[MkmBandit]

Pretty sure I've already stated reasons earlier in this thread. The blind watchers are the ones who think this story had direction. HUGE LOL to that. Carrie and Brodie in itself is a plot hole and they rammed that down the script in every single episode. I think you guys need to start paying more attention.. =/

edit: And GFY with the crackpipe comment. Excellent communication skills, brU.

[flashy_mcflash]

Pretty sure I've already stated reasons earlier in this thread. The blind watchers are the ones who think this story had direction. HUGE LOL to that. Carrie and Brodie in itself is a plot hole and they rammed that down the script in every single episode. I think you guys need to start paying more attention.. =/


Carrie and Brody is a plot hole? What does this literally even mean? How is it a plot hole?

The story didn't have direction? It absolutely had direction, but they haven't spoon-fed every detail to you. This is how you write a compelling show. If you can't grasp what's going on, that's not the fault of the writers, because clearly most of the other viewers and the critics have managed to figure out the basic plot and direction of the show and characters.

[MkmBandit]

Alright alright, you've convinced me that I'm daft. So please, explain to me what happened to Carrie's shock therapy? She was quickly on her way to the loonie bin. Very same episode "sure, I'll go talk to Brodie". Then shock therapy was never mentioned again. What am I missing with the plot there? Is that normal human behaviour?

Honestly, you're better to just bow out and agree that there are some holes in the plot. Or if you like, we can move on to other ridiculous scenes, like Peter getting shot, checking himself out of the hospital the very next episode, and showing zero signs of injury and zero emotion when the shooter is revealed.

Want more examples?

[flashy_mcflash]

Alright alright, you've convinced me that I'm daft. So please, explain to me what happened to Carrie's shock therapy? She was quickly on her way to the loonie bin. Very same episode "sure, I'll go talk to Brodie". Then shock therapy was never mentioned again. What am I missing with the plot there? Is that normal human behaviour?

The shock therapy happened, and required several months of recovery for her to get back to a relatively normal state. Watch the first episode of the second season for details about this. But really watch it, because it seems you've missed quite a bit.



Peter getting shot, checking himself out of the hospital the very next episode, and showing zero signs of injury and zero emotion when the shooter is revealed.

Want more examples?

Peter is a Black Ops agent. Usually these are recruited from an elite pool of soldiers for resilience and an ability to be unfazed in stressful situations. It is perfectly reasonable for this type of agent to be emotionless and highly resilient, along with a working knowledge of field medicine.

More examples please, and not just ones that show you haven't paid sufficient attention to understand a show that most others have. If you haven't the attention span for this type of show, might I recommend Everybody Loves Raymond or perhaps Spongebob.

[MkmBandit]

Could you possibly be more of an a$$? You think I don't pay attention. I think you're way too gullible. Those little quips about what you think I should be watching is entirely unnecessary. Learn to communicate, sh1thead.

Anyways, done with this conv. Not because I don't have an endless list of examples, more because I choose not to interact with a child.

[flashy_mcflash]

How am I gullible? Because I take in the information presented in a TV show and interpret it in a logical way? Well gosh, I guess I'm pretty gullible.

You're the only one having these problems deciphering the plot of a television program and getting super upset about plot 'holes' that are, in fact, simple things that you missed. I'm just helpfully suggesting that you might be better off with something a little more basic, like Two And A Half Men or The Wiggles.

[MkmBandit]

Uh huh.. anything else?

[flashy_mcflash]

Uh huh.. anything else?
Could you possibly be more of an a$$?

Sure!

Here's the right way to watch Homeland, or any other dramatic program you might come across on your television.

1. Consume the show using some form of visual medium. I can't stress this enough. Trying to experience a dramatic show with only the audio will not work.
2. Ensure that the information being presented is being absorbed by your mind-grapes (your brain)
3. Ask yourself questions when the show is over. Some examples would be, "what have I just watched?" "what are the show's writers trying to convey?" "what has changed with the characters?" "am I sure that I haven't consumed a heart-stoppingly large amount of crack?"
4. If you find that you've missed something, go back and watch the episode again! It's your world, bruh! You can watch episodes over and over and over again until you get it!
5. For the next episode, try to keep in mind the things you've learned, and think about how those things affect the new information you're being presented with.

Hope this helps! :)

[MkmBandit]

You are, easily, the coolest person I know. What a fantastic skill you possess.

[flashy_mcflash]

No probs, it just comes naturally.

[MkmBandit]

Shame you can't extend that to your communication skills, you'd be unstoppable. Superhero-like infact.

[flashy_mcflash]

Guy who didn't understand the TV show is giving me communication tips! Delicious!

But let's talk about Lost. I'm assuming you watched that show as well? Want to talk about what makes that show similar to this one?

[MkmBandit]

Guy who didn't understand the TV show is giving me communication tips! Delicious!

But let's talk about Lost. I'm assuming you watched that show as well? Want to talk about what makes that show similar to this one?

What? I didn't give you any communication tips.. just said you fail at it. Case in point. =/

And no, not particularly, you have absolutely no concept of a civil conversation. I gladly would have elaborated had you asked me to, instead of assuming I'm hitting a crackpipe. Classy.

[rfder0381]

There are definitely some scenes that push the limit of what the audience might deem believable. One scene that bugged me was when Nazir manages to get away with crashing into Carrie's car in broad daylight in a public neighbourhood, and there's virtually no evidence that helps the CIA track her location (witnesses with vague details, video cameras that didn't pick up anything useful, or wreckage for that matter). It's also pretty funny that Nazir is able to get the drop on an fbi agent in tactical gear but not on a skinny female agent who manages to disarm him :lol:.

[SCEvan]

Just finished season 2, very enjoyable, thoughts below:

***SPOLIER'S FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T SEEN UP TO THE SEASON 2 FINALE***











Saul is such a beast "You’re the smartest and the dumbest f—in’ person I’ve ever known" to Carrie :lol:

The whole "imminent threat" against America really took me back to 24, which was another show I enjoyed.

Poor Dana is going to cry a river when she finds about her homeboy Finn.

I actually found myself cheering for the bad guys (Brody, Abu Nazir) with regards to taking out VP Walden and his s--- eating grin, took out your family in a drone strike Abu, u mad bro?

Bottom line...Brody is a bad dude and Carrie is a nut bar, I'm conflicted about my thoughts on the finale and what is actually going on, was it Brody's car bomb and hes taking Carrie on a ride, why not take everyone out (except for Saul) who knows who Brody really is? It just seemed like the perfect setup for even a SERIES finale (almost felt that way)

Hopefully season 3 isn't a wild goose chase of Murica' vs. Brody on the lam.

[flashy_mcflash]

I think what's great about this show is that it could still, credibly, be Brody behind the bomb. This show does misdirection pretty well.

[MeasureTheory]

Season 1 especially was a masterpiece. Bought it on Blu-ray in December and I've already watched it 3 times since. Epic series.

[shannn]

2 words: Breaking Bad

[MkmBandit]

Lies.

[nksharp]

How people watch something they have already seen before is a mystery to me.

[EH15]

No mention of season 2?

Season 2 sucked

[Mike71]

No mention of season 2?

Season 2 sucked

Yup, season 1 was amazing. Season 2 was decent but not great. Hopefully season 3 steps up its game again.

[mathu83]

GoT = best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be.

[Cas77]

Did we really need another thread about this show? Give search a try.

[GSpeed]

Just finished season 2, very enjoyable, thoughts below:

***SPOLIER'S FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T SEEN UP TO THE SEASON 2 FINALE***











Saul is such a beast "You’re the smartest and the dumbest f—in’ person I’ve ever known" to Carrie :lol:

The whole "imminent threat" against America really took me back to 24, which was another show I enjoyed.

Poor Dana is going to cry a river when she finds about her homeboy Finn.

I actually found myself cheering for the bad guys (Brody, Abu Nazir) with regards to taking out VP Walden and his s--- eating grin, took out your family in a drone strike Abu, u mad bro?

Bottom line...Brody is a bad dude and Carrie is a nut bar, I'm conflicted about my thoughts on the finale and what is actually going on, was it Brody's car bomb and hes taking Carrie on a ride, why not take everyone out (except for Saul) who knows who Brody really is? It just seemed like the perfect setup for even a SERIES finale (almost felt that way)

Hopefully season 3 isn't a wild goose chase of Murica' vs. Brody on the lam.


I think what's great about this show is that it could still, credibly, be Brody behind the bomb. This show does misdirection pretty well.

Late reply, but if Brody was behind the bomb then I will stop watching the show.. I get the whole misdirection which was fine in the last two seasons... but now it would make no sense..

1. Brody parks the car in the main parking lot, we see him get out go to the vp's wife and walk her in etc.. car is moved later on
2. Brody invited his daughter to come with him... he would not kill his daughter
3. Brody did what he wanted to do since the start kill the VP... well he was more interested in changing policies but the VP just wanted to kill kill kill

[Zamboni]

I enjoy Homeland, agree season 2 was not the same calibre of season 1.

The Americans is a new show this year of similar styling-highly recomend it.

[MeasureTheory]

GoT = best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be.

Sure, if you are a Dungeons & Dragons type of person.

[Tiberius]

Sure, if you are a Dungeons & Dragons type of person.

I doubt you watch Game of Thrones based on that comment. Most of the people I know who watch Game of Thrones are as far from D&D types as you can get. It's just a great show with compelling storylines and characters.

Regarding Homeland, I watched both seasons in a short period of time, and honestly it felt like season 1 was getting a bit long in the tooth as it passed the middle of the season. It just felt like things were dragging out. But, the last couple episodes made for a great climax to the season. Season 2 I thought picked up nicely and kept a good pace througout. Overall, the show is above average and a good watch. I just don't know where they go from here. The season 2 wrap up really leaves them in a place of rebuilding largely from scratch for Season 3. Not necessarily a bad thing, but it can be a show killer if they don't grab the old faithful quickly to go on the new journey.

[actng]

just discovered this show... episode 5 of season 1

[MeasureTheory]

just discovered this show... episode 5 of season 1

Did you know any details about what happens in season 1 before you watched it or did you go in fresh?

[actng]

Did you know any details about what happens in season 1 before you watched it or did you go in fresh?

freshhhh