Canon EOS-1D X

[thericyip]

http://www.canonrumors.com/2011/10/canon-eos-1d-x-possible-press-release/
http://www.dpreview.com/news/1110/11101810canoneos1dx.asp

Specifications

Canon EOS-1D X

Full Frame
18.1MP
Dual DIGIC 5+ – 17 Times The Processing Power of DIGIC 4
ISO 100-51200 Native
100,000 Pixel RGB Metering Sensor
EOS iSA (Intelligent Subject Analysis)
61 Point AF
21 f/5.6 Cross Type Sensors
20 f/4 Cross Type Sensors
5 f/2.8 Dual Cross Type Sensors
EOS iTR AF (Intelligent Tracking & Recognition Auto Focus)
12 Frames Per Second
14 Frames Per Second JPG Only
400,000 Shot Rated Shutter
Ethernet Connection
March Availability

Expanded ISO Specs

L = 50
H1 – 102,400
H2 – 204,800

Movie Mode Specs

MPEG-4 AVC/H.264
1920×1080 30p/25p/24p
1280×720 60p/50p
640×480 30p/25p

Price point of $6800 USD.

This will probably be my next camera... unless the 5D mark unicorn is almost as good (without the speed of course).

[Sgt_Strider]

http://www.canonrumors.com/2011/10/canon-eos-1d-x-possible-press-release/
http://www.dpreview.com/news/1110/11101810canoneos1dx.asp

Specifications

Canon EOS-1D X

Full Frame
18.1MP
Dual DIGIC 5+ – 17 Times The Processing Power of DIGIC 4
ISO 100-51200 Native
100,000 Pixel RGB Metering Sensor
EOS iSA (Intelligent Subject Analysis)
61 Point AF
21 f/5.6 Cross Type Sensors
20 f/4 Cross Type Sensors
5 f/2.8 Dual Cross Type Sensors
EOS iTR AF (Intelligent Tracking & Recognition Auto Focus)
12 Frames Per Second
14 Frames Per Second JPG Only
400,000 Shot Rated Shutter
Ethernet Connection
March Availability

Expanded ISO Specs

L = 50
H1 – 102,400
H2 – 204,800

Movie Mode Specs

MPEG-4 AVC/H.264
1920×1080 30p/25p/24p
1280×720 60p/50p
640×480 30p/25p

Price point of $6800 USD.

This will probably be my next camera... unless the 5D mark unicorn is almost as good (without the speed of course).

Auto focus on the new 5D will almost certainly not be as good as the 1D X.

It's great that Canon made this announcement and it shows that they're committed to better high ISO performance instead of playing the megapixel game. Now I'm just praying that they will announce the 5D Mark III soon.

[RCGA]

$7000

Um, no.

It's interested that they're getting rid of the 1D and 1Ds lines. IMO, this is bad news for those who want are expecting a 5D3 for under $3k

[RCGA]

I also think this will cause a change to the entire lineup

Bigger gap between Rebel and XXD series (XXD body around $1500)
7D replacement goes in the low-mid $2k range
5D3 goes low-mid $3k range

[saint2e]

Wow, this is a beast of a camera. Unfortunately I won't be buying something like this any time soon unless

a) my business really takes off
b) I win the lottery

[ryan_lau100]

So sport shooters only have the option of 7D or this new 1D? Pretty big gap between the two.... Also you don't get the crop like the 1D4. Looks like its either new lenses + teleconverter or 7D for the sports guys.

[Fatticus]

It's interested that they're getting rid of the 1D and 1Ds lines.

They aren't. The 1D-X is a replacement for the 1D, but the 1Ds line will still continue (and probably get a new body in 2012). This is pretty much the same thing Nikon did when they released the D3 back in 2007.

Edit: Derp. Damn you Canonrumours post from last week.

[jbnc_]

They aren't. The 1D-X is a replacement for the 1D, but the 1Ds line will still continue (and probably get a new body in 2012). This is pretty much the same thing Nikon did when they released the D3 back in 2007.

nope the 1dx is really replacing both lines

[Fatticus]

nope the 1dx is really replacing both lines
Crap you're right, I just read the DPreview overview + Chuck Westfall interview (http://blog.planet5d.com/2011/10/the-new-canon-eos-1d-x-whats-inside-the-nitty-gritty-details-you-wont-get-in-the-press-release/). Well this is an interesting twist...

[RCGA]

So sport shooters only have the option of 7D or this new 1D? Pretty big gap between the two.... Also you don't get the crop like the 1D4. Looks like its either new lenses + teleconverter or 7D for the sports guys.

That's why I think they'll bump the price of the 7D replacement - something like a 1D4 without the full body.

[Sgt_Strider]

Crap you're right, I just read the DPreview overview + Chuck Westfall interview (http://blog.planet5d.com/2011/10/the-new-canon-eos-1d-x-whats-inside-the-nitty-gritty-details-you-wont-get-in-the-press-release/). Well this is an interesting twist...

It makes perfect sense for Canon to get rid of its APS-H line of cameras. Why? Cost is the number one reason. It doesn't make any sense for Canon to design and build sensors for only one line of cameras. The FF sensor from the 1DS line was used in the 5D MK II. It was inevitable that Canon will eventually merge the 1D series and use a FF sensor.

[Sgt_Strider]

That's why I think they'll bump the price of the 7D replacement - something like a 1D4 without the full body.

That is pure speculation with no evidence to substantiate it. The 7D is suppose to compete with the D300S segment of the market. If Canon were to significantly increase the price of the 7D MK II, then either it has to create a new camera line to compete with the upcoming D400 or Nikon will grab that part of the market from Canon.

[OHaara]

Exciting to see Canon pushing the limits of its tech ... but out of reach for most people

[RCGA]

That is pure speculation with no evidence to substantiate it. The 7D is suppose to compete with the D300S segment of the market. If Canon were to significantly increase the price of the 7D MK II, then either it has to create a new camera line to compete with the upcoming D400 or Nikon will grab that part of the market from Canon.

Because IMO, it's going to be a tough sell to spots/brid/wildlife photogs who want something better than a rebel sensor but don't want to spend $7000 + new lenses to regain reach.

While I agree that getting rid of APS-H was a good idea, I think that Canon could be giving up a lot of money to those that don't mind spending $3000 or $4000 on a high FPS body.

[Sgt_Strider]

Because IMO, it's going to be a tough sell to spots/brid/wildlife photogs who want something better than a rebel sensor but don't want to spend $7000 + new lenses to regain reach.

While I agree that getting rid of APS-H was a good idea, I think that Canon could be giving up a lot of money to those that don't mind spending $3000 or $4000 on a high FPS body.

Again, you're just speculating and you can't just assume that to be a fact just because there will be a huge price gap between the 7D and the 1D X. We don't know what Canon has in place to cover that price segment of the market.

[sylpherware]

Guys, stop arguing over speculations. :facepalm:

[darklord700]

1DX in action!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYxsi1L5cRM&feature=player_embedded

[bhrm]

Exciting to see Canon pushing the limits of its tech ... but out of reach for most people

Occupy Canon!

A fair 1-series for the 99% of the photographer population now!

[cyder]

Auto focus on the new 5D will almost certainly not be as good as the 1D X.

It's great that Canon made this announcement and it shows that they're committed to better high ISO performance instead of playing the megapixel game. Now I'm just praying that they will announce the 5D Mark III soon.

Question is if the high iso gives decent performance. I thought the last camera they gave high iso numbers too looked like poo 1 or 2 stops before reaching max iso.


It makes perfect sense for Canon to get rid of its APS-H line of cameras. Why? Cost is the number one reason. It doesn't make any sense for Canon to design and build sensors for only one line of cameras. The FF sensor from the 1DS line was used in the 5D MK II. It was inevitable that Canon will eventually merge the 1D series and use a FF sensor.

Since they are already outlaying R&D on new sensors, make a few thousand won't break the bank given how much thee cameras sell for, I don't think cost is too huge of a concern here.

[ryan_lau100]

Occupy Canon!

A fair 1-series for the 99% of the photographer population now!

Its called the D700.... soon to be D800...

[Sgt_Strider]

Question is if the high iso gives decent performance. I thought the last camera they gave high iso numbers too looked like poo 1 or 2 stops before reaching max iso.

Hard to say right now, but chances are the 1D X will have class leading high ISO performance. It's most likely going to be better than the D3S.



Since they are already outlaying R&D on new sensors, make a few thousand won't break the bank given how much thee cameras sell for, I don't think cost is too huge of a concern here.

I can say that you're definitely wrong there. It's called economy of scale. Canon doesn't use the APS-H sensor in any of its other cameras. R&D isn't cheap and it won't make much sense for them to continue to develop a sensor for just one product line. Chances are they made money with their APS-H sensors, but it makes more sense from a financial point of view to just focus on FF and then use the sensors in different product lines. The very existence of the 1D X proves my point or else we would have seen a 1D Mark V with an APS-H sensor.

[RCGA]

Its called the D700.... soon to be D800...

lol, video

[sylpherware]

Since they are already outlaying R&D on new sensors, make a few thousand won't break the bank given how much thee cameras sell for, I don't think cost is too huge of a concern here.

Of course it is. Cost of R&D, cost of manufacturing, cost of support, cost of inventory, etc. all get doubled when you have 2 lines instead of 1. If it's just the "reach" that nature/sports photographers need, why not just use the 1.4x/2x extender that Canon already has?

[cyder]

Of course it is. Cost of R&D, cost of manufacturing, cost of support, cost of inventory, etc. all get doubled when you have 2 lines instead of 1. If it's just the "reach" that nature/sports photographers need, why not just use the 1.4x/2x extender that Canon already has?
R&D is already there, this tech will eventually get used in the current line up.
cost of manufacturing would be nearly the same as if they were making whatever the replacement camera would be, ie if 2 are going to be sold you have to manufacture two. Sure the economy of scales wont be quite the same, and set up costs etc but they wont be too far apart
Cost of inventory will be doubled roughly, that is inescapable.
Cost of support will be there

Overall the extra costs wouldn't be too high and the camera could have enough margin to cover it, either way
meh

[Sgt_Strider]

R&D is already there, this tech will eventually get used in the current line up.
cost of manufacturing would be nearly the same as if they were making whatever the replacement camera would be, ie if 2 are going to be sold you have to manufacture two. Sure the economy of scales wont be quite the same, and set up costs etc but they wont be too far apart
Cost of inventory will be doubled roughly, that is inescapable.
Cost of support will be there

Overall the extra costs wouldn't be too high and the camera could have enough margin to cover it, either way
meh

Either you have never taken Economics 101 before or you failed it.

[bpopd]

R&D is already there, this tech will eventually get used in the current line up.
cost of manufacturing would be nearly the same as if they were making whatever the replacement camera would be, ie if 2 are going to be sold you have to manufacture two. Sure the economy of scales wont be quite the same, and set up costs etc but they wont be too far apart
Cost of inventory will be doubled roughly, that is inescapable.
Cost of support will be there

Overall the extra costs wouldn't be too high and the camera could have enough margin to cover it, either way
meh

I could not understand what you are saying here.

[AudiDude]

Exciting to see Canon pushing the limits of its tech ... but out of reach for most people

If you look at the auto-focus options in the 7D most people are clueless how to get those to work. It has to be one of the most returned camera for focus issues and people talk about firmware updates and sending it in to have it re-calibrated. I got mine the first day it came out, still have the original firmware, but I learned not to go into the auto-focus and turn on everything because certain things need to be on in certain situations and off in others. Even the lens adjustment for focus can work against you if you don't know what you are doing.

People have tech that they can afford, but will never understand. That is why the "green" mode still exists on a camera like the 7D.

[cyder]

Either you have never taken Economics 101 before or you failed it.
please

and the cost of inventory wont be too high since camer stores wouldn't be stocking 3 or 4 on the shelf waiting to be sold. I understand the process of sku rationalization in order to decrease working capital costs but when it comes to a low volume product with (asuuming) higher margins it makes less sense to do so, especially when there are just 2 products to choose from. If there were 7 different high end cameras to choose from than there would be a problem.

Of course there are other considerations to think about as well but that would be outside economics 101 as you would put it. but meh

[sylpherware]

please

and the cost of inventory wont be too high since camer stores wouldn't be stocking 3 or 4 on the shelf waiting to be sold. I understand the process of sku rationalization in order to decrease working capital costs but when it comes to a low volume product with (asuuming) higher margins it makes less sense to do so, especially when there are just 2 products to choose from. If there were 7 different high end cameras to choose from than there would be a problem.

Of course there are other considerations to think about as well but that would be outside economics 101 as you would put it. but meh

You're thinking from the retailer's side when I meant "inventory" for manufacturer. When you have two models, you have to keep tracks of 2 part-lists because 1D is NOT just a 1Ds with smaller sensor (different burst rate, AF, metering, etc). Therefore, Canon will need two separate assembly lines for them instead of one.

Think about this, if you're required to use specific milk for each type of cereal, you'd probably think twice before picking up a different box.

[bhrm]

You're thinking from the retailer's side when I meant "inventory" for manufacturer. When you have two models, you have to keep tracks of 2 part-lists because 1D is NOT just a 1Ds with smaller sensor (different burst rate, AF, metering, etc). Therefore, Canon will need two separate assembly lines for them instead of one.

Think about this, if you're required to use specific milk for each type of cereal, you'd probably think twice before picking up a different box.

Nikon took the same route and people are cool with it. Except, in a pinch you can do a 5MP DX mode and instantly gain 1.5x

[saint2e]

Engadget's first hand-on video:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/25/canon-eos-1d-x-hands-on-video/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[dslrnewb]

Does this thing auto focus when shooting video or not?

[saint2e]

I have yet to see a report on the video capabilities yet. it's gonna be used more by pro photographers primarily, so the video functionality is secondary and probably won't be explored until later.

[RCGA]

Does this thing auto focus when shooting video or not?

If it does, it most likely sucks (similar to what we have now).

If they implemented a really good AF system in video mode, it would be all over the marketing info

[NEMESIS_2008]

Does this thing auto focus when shooting video or not?

The announcement says manual focus.

Still not losing hope for af video for 7d ii

[thericyip]

Why would you need AF in video?

Who's going to buy one anyways? I've got my name on the list already.

[Sgt_Strider]

please

and the cost of inventory wont be too high since camer stores wouldn't be stocking 3 or 4 on the shelf waiting to be sold. I understand the process of sku rationalization in order to decrease working capital costs but when it comes to a low volume product with (asuuming) higher margins it makes less sense to do so, especially when there are just 2 products to choose from. If there were 7 different high end cameras to choose from than there would be a problem.

Of course there are other considerations to think about as well but that would be outside economics 101 as you would put it. but meh

You obviously don't know what you're talking about. I'm not going to repeat myself and there's a reason why no one has agreed with you. If Canon puts you in charge of their company, they will either go bankrupt or they will never maximize their earning potential.

[bpopd]

This camera is hot, I want one.

Seems like Canon's 1D series is back up to standards... Hope they dont have any issues like the 1D mk3 had.

[cyder]

You're thinking from the retailer's side when I meant "inventory" for manufacturer. When you have two models, you have to keep tracks of 2 part-lists because 1D is NOT just a 1Ds with smaller sensor (different burst rate, AF, metering, etc). Therefore, Canon will need two separate assembly lines for them instead of one.

Think about this, if you're required to use specific milk for each type of cereal, you'd probably think twice before picking up a different box.
They aren't pumping out enough of these cameras to use a full assembly line, hence set up costs would be involved and such, they likely would be there regardless since they do make a full line of cameras.
Not all parts will be the same but I am sure the engineers at Canon uses enough common parts that the raw material costs will not be excessive. I was looking at finished product inventory since that is where most of the costs tend to be, afterall it has all the parts as well as the labour required to assemble and ship the products.

If Canon was truly concerned about the spare components that they have lying around and part lists and such I am sure they would trim some of the camera lines that have less margin and are just canabalizing sales from other low end cameras.

XS
T1i
T2i
T3i
T3

some with lenses and some without

[cyder]

You obviously don't know what you're talking about. I'm not going to repeat myself and there's a reason why no one has agreed with you. If Canon puts you in charge of their company, they will either go bankrupt or they will never maximize their earning potential.

First step is to understand their customer, callously suggesting that any sports photographer or anyone else would prefer a croppedsensor 1D camera can stop their whining and get extenders.
My prediction they will have a 1D Xs or something in 12-18 months with a cropped sensor

they have done it before afterall and I assume they were just at great at finance a few years agao as they are today

[thericyip]

Does it even concern you if you're not gonna buy one?

[zero_2003]

First step is to understand their customer, callously suggesting that any sports photographer or anyone else would prefer a croppedsensor 1D camera can stop their whining and get extenders.
My prediction they will have a 1D Xs or something in 12-18 months with a cropped sensor

they have done it before afterall and I assume they were just at great at finance a few years agao as they are today

What is the point of having a 1D Xs with a cropped sensor? Isn't that just the 7D?

[mrspec3]

First step is to understand their customer, callously suggesting that any sports photographer or anyone else would prefer a croppedsensor 1D camera can stop their whining and get extenders.


When you're shooting a jays game under the lights you're already at ISO 3200-4000 to get a decent shutter speed at f/2.8. No pro would choose to add a TC and raise the ISO another stop if they had the choice. Not only do you loose AF speed, but image quality can be degraded.

[hazman]

When you're shooting a jays game under the lights you're already at ISO 3200-4000 to get a decent shutter speed at f/2.8. No pro would choose to add a TC and raise the ISO another stop if they had the choice. Not only do you loose AF speed, but image quality can be degraded.

Outdoor sports under the lights would be closer to a 1000 ISO at 1/750 if you were shooting 2.8.
Most sports will be between 5.6 and 8, this gives more context, as the isolation of a player at 2.8 ends up looking more like an editorial shot than anything else.

Also the full size sensor will improve the ISO performance, so cranking it up would not hurt much.
Then you need to take into consideration the usage of sports shots, most are used for newspapers and online, where the resolution is very small, so this also helps to eliminate the impact that a higher ISO would have on the final images.


This really is going to be a solid camera for all usage, you will see it in news professionals, you will also end up seeing it for editorial usage.
But my claim on editorial usage would also depend on the specs that will be delivered with the upcoming 5dmkiii (if it every arrives) and if the photographer has access to a Phase One back.

The 1D series has it's core consumers, but I doubt you will see many wedding photographers spending this much on a camera body, when for that price they could get mulitple 5Dmkii bodies.

[NEMESIS_2008]

Why would you need AF in video?

Who's going to buy one anyways? I've got my name on the list already.

The same reason why people are asking. It may not be of use to you but for videographers it does. I don't think anyone would buy the 1dx for video but probably a more affordable camera such as the 7dii or 5diii, or even the xxx or xx series.

[RCGA]

People are acting like manual focus isn't an option

[thericyip]

All the videographers I know shoot manual focus... and that's also what I was taught in school... and what's standard in both television and film...

[saint2e]

Report from Canon show in London:

http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/news/pro_solutions_eos_1dx.do