Live-out Nanny pay

[L_Mo]

There has been a lot of talk about live-in caregivers / nannies. What about live-out? What rate do you pay for someone to come to your home daily to watch your children? Do you pay by the hour or pay a flat rate per day? Do you deduct taxes / EI / CPP on their behalf?

[nepean19]

You pay by the hour and also pay for cpp etc. the downside is that you can't deduct the living expenses that you could if they were living with you. So it can get pretty expensive. Probably around 1900 month all in.

[nalababe]

Around us, those that have a nanny pay an annual salary, not an hourly rate.

[L_Mo]

Around us, those that have a nanny pay an annual salary, not an hourly rate.

That's sounds like a good idea, 'cause with considering overtime, my figures have the whole thing as extremely expensive. Do you know what type of salary the nannies are getting?

[sillysimms]

That's sounds like a good idea, 'cause with considering overtime, my figures have the whole thing as extremely expensive. Do you know what type of salary the nannies are getting?

Are you in Ontario?

I don't know about other provinces, but you should know that Domestic workers who provide care for children (if employed by the individual and not employed by an agency), whether live in or live out, are covered in Ontario for overtime under the Employment Standards Act and overtime would still have to be paid to them if they work over the allowed hours regardless if they are on salary or paid hourly:

http://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/es/pubs/factsheets/fs_domestics.php

[junkyardbottles]

Ours ended up being about $2200/month after remittance for CPP, EI, etc. The Nanny only got about $1700 of it after deductions. Had her on salary and rarely, if ever, went on overtime. She had the option of doing less hours the following day or taking overtime pay. Also gave her vacation, sick days, etc.

Live-out Nannys tend to be expensive because they are not doing anything but taking care of your kids, so they can't increase their pay by taking care of more kids. Many natives aren't interested in that kind of job, and immigrants prefer the live-in option.

[nepean19]

On the government forms you have to state an hourly wage. I have had 4 nannies in the past 5 years. Lots of paperwork. ie. 40 x $10.25 = $410.00 x 52 weeks = $21,320. Divide that by monthly payment and you get $21,320 / 12 = $1776 month. If they are live in you can deduct $369.42 for room and board per month. So you pay appx. $1407 month. You the have to pay cop etc on that which for us was $250 month.

I paid $600 a month as I had her working less hours.

[maasai]

How far in advance do you start scouting around for live outs? 1-2 Months? 6 Months?

[nepean19]

I use canadiannanny.ca

You can normally hire one to begin work within 2-4 weeks. I set up interviews with 5 or 6. Pick the best one.

[creamsoda]

I paid $600 a month as I had her working less hours.

If you are sponsoring someone under the federal live in caregiver program, there are rules as to minimum hours they must work. I believe it is 30 h per week. And they legally can't work for anyone else - the work permit is issued under your name.

In GTA, I see typical live out rate being 500 / week + metropass.

[ozymandias]

GTA rate sounds right. $100/day ($500/week) x 20 = $2000/month (comes to roughly $15/hour). We've had three (experienced) live-out nannies all from canadiannanny.ca and they all charged the pretty much the same.


If you are sponsoring someone under the federal live in caregiver program, there are rules as to minimum hours they must work. I believe it is 30 h per week. And they legally can't work for anyone else - the work permit is issued under your name.

In GTA, I see typical live out rate being 500 / week + metropass.

[maasai]

I've been hearing $500/week is pretty much standard. Is that gross or net pay to the nanny?

[junkyardbottles]

I've been hearing $500/week is pretty much standard. Is that gross or net pay to the nanny?

That would be gross; but that makes little difference to the one paying as you'd be paying that into CPP/EI anyway

[hoponpop]

I use canadiannanny.ca

You can normally hire one to begin work within 2-4 weeks. I set up interviews with 5 or 6. Pick the best one.

Funny you used that site and say you've gone thru more nannies than underwear recently. I also know of a family who have done the exact same thing. Has the experience not been awful for you and the kids? canadiannanny.ca seems to be an easy place to find a nanny but not keep one as they jump ship for the next best thing. More like a revolving door than a hiring resource.

We've been lucky to have the same Filipino nanny for 4 years years. She is part of the family now. I can't imagine putting my kids through the emotional upheaval of a new caregiver every 8 - 12 months.

I would never use that site to find a caregiver, I have seen first hand the quality(or lack there of) of the people hired through it.

[L_Mo]

Funny you used that site and say you've gone thru more nannies than underwear recently. I also know of a family who have done the exact same thing. Has the experience not been awful for you and the kids? canadiannanny.ca seems to be an easy place to find a nanny but not keep one as they jump ship for the next best thing. More like a revolving door than a hiring resource...

...I would never use that site to find a caregiver, I have seen first hand the quality(or lack there of) of the people hired through it.

Well, it's not the site, it can be the people on the site. There is no screening, so you have to trust your "gut" and your interviewing skills to a large degree. I also used that site to find two great live-in caregivers -- one was with us for three years, the other for two years... Now I tend to use nannyservices.ca, but it's the same general thing.


We've been lucky to have the same Filipino nanny for 4 years years. She is part of the family now. I can't imagine putting my kids through the emotional upheaval of a new caregiver every 8 - 12 months.
Indeed, count yourself very lucky (and hope that she doesn't leave!). With the newer rules for bringing in nannies, you will find that there are fewer Filipinos available. Good ones are getting harder to find, and many will leave employers at the promise of a few more bucks.

[mommy2siya]

How much should I pay to a mother's helper. I have two girls 4 and 6. My older one goes to school and the younger one is home. I need someone to help me with some light house keeping and to play with my younger one. I was not sure how much to offer.thanks

[gourmetTDot]

I'm looking for a live-in nanny to start in August. I'm wondering ha anyone heard of Golden Lion agency? She says she only charges $375 to bring someone from Hong Kong and it will take about 5-7 months. Her fee seems awfully low to me and that's why I am suspicious. I think she charges the nannies for some of her fee plus they have to pay their own air fair to Canada. I have posted an add on Canadiannanny.ca and am trying to hire someone who is alreayd in Canada but requires sponsorship. So far I have been having very little luck getting people to respond to my ad. The lady from the agency mentioned to me that nannies typically like to work within Toronto, and since I live in Richmond Hill (right at the southern edge), I would have a hard time finding someone. Is there any truth to this? Any pointers about the agency or finding a nanny?

Thanks