How to get into Foreign Schools? (In the USA)

[SA5195]

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Specifically looking at NYU, what marks would I need? I'm in the 11th grade right now, and most of my family relatives live in NY. So it'd be great to go there.

My average was only a 74 last semester, with 2 sciences and math (but just mixed) this semester I hope I don't screw up lol.

Any info would be great.

[Merc with a Mouth]

I have lots of family at various schools in the U.S. including NYU. However all of them were born in the U.S. so it's a bit different. What do you plan on majoring in? Acceptance into NYU/Stern (let's say business for now) would require grades similar if not above that of Ivey, Rotman, Schulich, Queens (90+). You would need to also take the SAT. EC's would also help your cause and you should make sure they're simply not joining clubs and nothing more.

Just as a warning tuition is around $21,000-$25,000 per year without living expenses included.

[tr!xxy]

Just as a warning tuition is around $21,000-$25,000 per year without living expenses included.

WHAAAT?! That is insane.

[Merc with a Mouth]

WHAAAT?! That is insane.

NYU is a private university and private universities have higher tuition than state universities. It also does not help that NYU along with Stanford, Duke, University of Chicago are considered Ivey League quality schools than are not officially Ivey League. Take Standford University and University of California Berkeley which are 50 miles from one another. Stanford is private and has tuition exceeding $20,000+ per year while Berkeley is a state/public university with much lower tuition. However Berekely is considered the #1 public university in the U.S. and actually competes very well with Stanford.

[Merc with a Mouth]

You should also look at what benefit going to a school like NYU/Stern will provide if you plan on moving back and living in Canada. Will it provide you with a better chance at a Canadian job than Rotman or Ivey? Will you have to stay in the U.S. to maximize the education you received?

[SA5195]

I do want to stay in New York, hopefully for the rest of my life lol.

Our immigration got approved by the USICS, so we'll be citizens anytime between this summer till december.

I'm looking at majoring in science, or law. Depends on what marks I get this year.

Most likely something in the political science field, since I really don't want to take 2 maths for grade 12.

And yea tuition fees are expensive! But living costs won't be a factor, since we can possibly move there too.

[Dark-Colonel]

WHAAAT?! That is insane.

Most tuition costs in the U.S are actually that high, sometimes even more depending on where you're planning to go (I've personally looked into this... for like 5 minutes after finding out :lol:).

Unlike Canada, tuition in the U.S isn't partially subsidized by the government.

[tr!xxy]

Yikes, thank god I live in Canada.

[zunairryk]

Most tuition costs in the U.S are actually that high, sometimes even more depending on where you're planning to go (I've personally looked into this... for like 5 minutes after finding out :lol:).

Unlike Canada, tuition in the U.S isn't partially subsidized by the government.


Yikes, thank god I live in Canada.

Like someone above mentioned, its only the private universities that cost so much. I just looked at nyu tution fees, and for a science program its like $20K per term (for fall and spring). But i guess the good thing is that the fees are same for American and International students (correct me if iam wrong, but there was only one section for fees on nyu site, as opposed to a lot of Canadian universities, which list fees for Domestic and International students separately)

As far as the State universities goes, its relatively comparable to Canadian universities (around 4k-6k) per term. However, this is only if you are resident of the particular state. If you are out of State or International student, fees will be a lot more. I was checking out this one university (forgot the name), and fees were like $190 or so per credit for residents, and like $800 per credit for non residents. If you are out of state student, then you can claim residency after one year and pay regular fees for the remainder of your studies, however, for international students it will be same for all 4 or so years.

I guess good thing for us Canadians is that, we can go to any province (except Quebec) and pay regular fees, unlike in US, where you are treated like international student, until you claim residency after a year of living there.

[tng11]

We need to back up, a 74 average in Grade 11 isn't looking good for NYU, which is a quite prestigious school. Unlike Canadian universities, American schools take all your high school grades into account, and a B average is nowhere near good enough for NYU. Ideally, you would have done AP exams or IB as well, but it's not 100% required. For UG programs especially, extracurriculars are a big deal to American schools. You also need the SAT and a few subject exams.

Have a look at the College Confidential site to have an idea of what it takes to get into a school like NYU. It's not on the level of Harvard/Yale/Princeton, but is still a tough school to get into.

[SAK559]

Actually, NYU is around $41,000 for tuition. They do give a good amount of financial aid based on need, however. Also, a 74 average is nowhere near what they expect. They usually require an A-range grade (in the states thats 90 and up. I assume if they just get a number, I.E. 74, they will mark that as a "C".). On top of that, an SAT score of around 1900 and above, or an SAT score of 29 (middle 50% of students had this average).
http://www.nyu.edu/admissions/undergraduate-admissions/is-nyu-right-for-you/faqs.html
Also, they do look at your grades for ALL high school years.
good luck.

[SA5195]

Crap, my averages were a 76 in grade 9, and 78 in grade 10.

Don't think i'm getting in lol.

[virgilaug]

He will pay more than 21-25k, around 40k/year not including cost of living (that's another 5-10k/year) because he will also have to pay international student fees. Oh, and add health insurance on top of that.

And then there's the value of the education. Or should I say lack of value. All the private US universities are way overpriced and non-competitive. Basically a degree from Ryerson will put you in the same job as one from NYU.

Ivey League is a name brand that holds no weight what so ever.

"The Ivy League is an athletic conference comprising eight private institutions of higher education in the Northeastern United States. The conference name is also commonly used to refer to those eight schools as a group.[2] The eight institutions are Brown University, Columbia University, Cornell University, Dartmouth College, Harvard University, Princeton University, the University of Pennsylvania, and Yale University. The term Ivy League also has connotations of academic excellence, selectivity in admissions, and social elitism."

You go to NYU, you set yourself behind so much. One because of astronomically high tuition. Two because all bachelors degrees are the same, the institution doesn't matter (the major does matter). For PhDs it does matter where you go because such degrees are about research and the quality & content of the research matters, and universities like NYU do quality research.


Now for professional degrees it doesn't matter at all. Professional degrees are those such as nursing, engineering, accounting, dentistry, etc. This is because for those professions there are regulatory organizations (These are the ones who give out the licences. Ie. a doctor can't treat anyone until he is licensed) that set the rules for what is taught in schools. The schools (like NYU) doesn't decide what nursing students should learn, the nursing regulatory organization does. So all schools teach the same content, but they can choose to teach extra content on top of what is required.

[virgilaug]

Crap, my averages were a 76 in grade 9, and 78 in grade 10.

Don't think i'm getting in lol.

Only grade 12 marks matter.

And Canadian students are held to a high degree, because unlike American schools, our schools are more consistent in the marks given. Ie. a 90% from one highscool in science will be just as good as a 90% in science at another highschool. In the US the same grades vary soooooooooo much that a 90% in the same subject from two different schools doesn't mean very much. Hence why they have the SAT. Everyone gets tested on the same level of difficulty.

[SA5195]

Only grade 12 marks matter.

Yea here. But not for NYU, and more schools at the US.

[virgilaug]

Yea here. But not for NYU, and more schools at the US.


I don't think so. I had crap marks all throughout high school. Mainly 60s in grades 9, 10, 11, 12. I did an extra year and repeated courses and I got into US universities no problem (I only applied to 3 schools). And it's sooooooooooo good I never went.


I got into University of Cincinnati, American University & University of Philadelphia.

[Tyop]

NYU is being overrated on these forums, their undergraduate program is not in the likes of Stanford, UChicago, Berkeley, Northwestern, etc.

It is probably unlikely to get admissions into any schools of caliber such as NYU with a mid 70 average in your junior year. You need a quality SAT score of approximately 2100+ to become considered and probably need a 85%+ culminating average (A- to A) throughout high school. US schools typically look at your marks throughout high school rather than the Canadian approach of looking at your top six marks of your final year of high school. If NYU is a goal of yours, you should probably start improving your grades and begin studying for the SAT as you don't have much more time to take it (Applications are due by January 1st, 2013 for the Fall 2013 admission process and that is for regular admissions, not early action).

[kear7856]

WHAAAT?! That is insane.

yup your paying international remember school costs alot more up there my cousin went to NYU and lived in the city but had a 60k scholarship

[kear7856]

Yea here. But not for NYU, and more schools at the US.

in the states its harder to get into schools they check more then just grade 12 marks (I think its different for international though) plus you need recommendations/volunteer exp/extracurriculars/Sat's its like applying for a high end job and you need to submit an essay with your application