Do you believe in fate, specifically chance encounters with others?

[diggler649]

Do you think everything happens for a reason? Or do you think that fate is something people use as an excuse for something that happened - regardless of whether the outcome was good or bad.

For instance, if something was meant to happen, can you try to alter the outcome? Can it be avoided? One example I always like to think about are chance encounters with strangers, who by chance, enter your life at such an unexpected moment and forever alters the course of your life going forward.

What do you noobs think?

Discuss.

[FrogPrince]

Another slow day at work I see. :cheesygri

[ishfish]

This noob does not believe in fate.

If you do, what is the mechanism that delivers that fate or destiny??

[peanutz]

I don't really think much about this.

In the case where the course of every action is pre-determined, then oh well, what's going to happen is what's going to happen no matter what I think.

But just in case there is a realm where Heisenberg's uncertainty principle holds true and individual decisions are an unknown until they are made... I act as if my free will does matter and I hope for the best. :)

[diggler649]

Another slow day at work I see. :cheesygri

March break. So slow. I think I surfed the entire internet this morning.

[EmperorOfCanada]

I believe in coincidence.

[KevC]

I believe in coincidence.

+1.

Been doing a lot of "critical and philosophical thinking" lately. This really helped:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98OTsYfTt-c&list=PL85F1EE32A438AEB8&index=6&feature=plpp_video

and possibly relevant...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI&list=PL85F1EE32A438AEB8&index=4&feature=plpp_video

Heck, all of QualiaSoup's videos are awesome!

[45ED]

Thought this was a mrPerfect thread for a moment.

[DiceMan]

no

[Ottomaddox]

I believe it was destiny for me to post in this thread and tell you there's nothing to fate, and chance encounters.

[Coz4k]

I believe in poltergeists.

[zz000ter]

According to some theories, all time already exists
Everything that will happen has already happened
Our linear lives are just some sort of movement along a thread of time
Our objective is not to make decisions (already created for us)
but our objective is to experience what is pu tin front of us

So making decisions is pointless
just live life and experience what has happened (past, present and our future)

[ishfish]

According to some theories, all time already exists
Everything that will happen has already happened
Our linear lives are just some sort of movement along a thread of time
Our objective is not to make decisions (already created for us)
but our objective is to experience what is pu tin front of us

So making decisions is pointless
just live life and experience what has happened (past, present and our future)

How can you do that without making a decision to do it?

[EmperorOfCanada]

How can you do that without making a decision to do it?

Not that I believe it, but if true, you arent actually deciding, you just believe you are when in fact you are really just doing what it has already been pre determined you will do.

ie. the decision itself is just an illusion.

[xvizardx]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ-AZQ1rpK0

This is my past, present and future :D

[ishfish]

...well I suppose we are all just blackhole holograms anyhow.

I hope the other me in some other universe - not a parallel one but one of those ones that reflects all the possible possibilities, is rich ad on a beach. A nice beach, not a icky one.

[danfromwaterloo]

Do you think everything happens for a reason? Or do you think that fate is something people use as an excuse for something that happened - regardless of whether the outcome was good or bad.

For instance, if something was meant to happen, can you try to alter the outcome? Can it be avoided? One example I always like to think about are chance encounters with strangers, who by chance, enter your life at such an unexpected moment and forever alters the course of your life going forward.

What do you noobs think?

Discuss.

Think of it this way:

Every atom in the universe is moving in a vector. Vectors have directions and magnitudes (or in this case, speeds). It's like an infinitely large game of pool, with each atom like a billard ball.

Based on these atoms' vectors, and the vectors and positions of every other atom in the universe, future positions can be precisely and exactly calculated. For example, if this collides with this atom, or this influences this atom, etc, this is where all the atoms will be in 5 minutes. Given this information, both the past and the future can be exactly known by simply regressing or progressing time. That being said, just as the past is unavoidable given the present, the future is also perfectly mapped. We have a defined future that is inescapable.

(This is where you bake your brain a little bit)

If I were sitting in front of a magic computer that had all the information of all the atoms in the universe, and where they'd be, I'd be able to watch points in time from any vantage point (very Godlike). The problem though is, accessing that knowledge would fundamentally change the present universe, making all of the future predictions inaccurate. The act of seeing the future changes the future.

Therefore, yes, we all have a destiny, but you don't get a chance to know it.

[sylpherware]

I believe in a non-linear, non-causal, time-variant system

[45ED]

I like strings. But a toe would be nice.

[ishfish]

Careful, any reference to toe/s will get this thread shut down. Or maybe that is the threads fate.

[ishfish]

Think of it this way:


Based on these atoms' vectors, and the vectors and positions of every other atom in the universe, future positions can be precisely and exactly calculated. For example, if this collides with this atom, or this influences this atom, etc, this is where all the atoms will be in 5 minutes. Given this information, both the past and the future can be exactly known by simply regressing or progressing time. That being said, just as the past is unavoidable given the present, the future is also perfectly mapped. We have a defined future that is inescapable.

(This is where you bake your brain a little bit)



Baked, and the timer is beeping.

Now what if I observe the atom and my apparent act of obervation causes it to do something unpredicted.

[45ED]

Careful, any reference to toe/s will get this thread shut down. Or maybe that is the threads fate.

Why? Because of competing toes? (or I guess to be less ambiguous, I should write TOEs)

[zz000ter]

How can you do that without making a decision to do it?

Do you really know why you make the decisions that you do?
Probably not. I am not sure that I do.

[danfromwaterloo]

Baked, and the timer is beeping.

Now what if I observe the atom and my apparent act of obervation causes it to do something unpredicted.

Based on the atoms in your body, I could have predicted that you would have observed said atom. I could therefore have predicted the outcome.

All your thought patterns are based on atomic interactions that can be predicted on a grand scale if the positions of all the atoms are known. So, with knowledge of the position of everything in the universe, I know what you are going to think, do, and influence.

[zz000ter]

The only thing that confuses me is the concept of randomness.
The electron for example, is not anywhere specific but in a probability function of being somewhere.
The electron therefore is nowhere yet everywhere.

[sandikosh]

Do you think everything happens for a reason? Or do you think that fate is something people use as an excuse for something that happened - regardless of whether the outcome was good or bad.

For instance, if something was meant to happen, can you try to alter the outcome? Can it be avoided? One example I always like to think about are chance encounters with strangers, who by chance, enter your life at such an unexpected moment and forever alters the course of your life going forward.

What do you noobs think?

Discuss.

One cannot alter events of the future without knowing beforehand. This is destiny. What is meant to happen, will happen.

[ishfish]

Based on the atoms in your body, I could have predicted that you would have observed said atom. I could therefore have predicted the outcome.

All your thought patterns are based on atomic interactions that can be predicted on a grand scale if the positions of all the atoms are known. So, with knowledge of the position of everything in the universe, I know what you are going to think, do, and influence.

Are there not privacy laws about this??? - either federal or rfd.

[ishfish]

Why? Because of competing toes? (or I guess to be less ambiguous, I should write TOEs)

Because the inevitable (or destined) dialogue that will follow is:

There are no Toes.
There is only one Toe.
There is only one Toe, all others are false toes.
There are many Toes.
There are many Toes, but the piggy is the best (zz000ter).
There are many Toes, but the big one is best.
and so on.

See? Users fight. Nasty PMs are sent.

Then a report gets made about the fighting...blah blahl no toeligious threads allowed. Some users get sent to the stalkades, timeout chairs, penalities are delivered... Rumors of unfair punishments...favorites...

All bad. Very bad.

[MrKap]

I believe fate is very often a reason your brain creates to explain a circumstance, where your naivety has brought you.


There is no such thing as fate, but we believe in it to explain what we don't have enough information on.

[45ED]

Because the inevitable (or destined) dialogue that will follow is:

There are no Toes.
There is only one Toe.
There is only one Toe, all others are false toes.
There are many Toes.
There are many Toes, but the piggy is the best (zz000ter).
There are many Toes, but the big one is best.
and so on.

See? Users fight. Nasty PMs are sent.

Then a report gets made about the fighting...blah blahl no toeligious threads allowed. Some users get sent to the stalkades, timeout chairs, penalities are delivered... Rumors of unfair punishments...favorites...

All bad. Very bad.

Lmao! :D