If the mods want to apply the rules (censor) - do it properly and consistently

[zz000ter]

One thread - which could have been a valid discussion was just shut down because it was labelled "political"

Yet other "political" threads are still open.
In the last week these political threads were started and not shut down.

[Merged] Kony 2012.
[Merged]RFD Federal Election Thread - To the polls !
Should we have a public inquiry and real consequences for Robo-Call election fraud?
NDP MP Does His Hair and Falls Asleep in Parliament
Ron Paul spills the beans on Baracks Assasinations
Ottawa opens door to foreign telecom ownership
Income tax changes eliminate refunds for many Ontario residents
Ontario teachers ‘insulted’ by plan to end retirement perk
Ontario’s green dream was just a fantasy
City’s inside workers’ union seeks pay hike, ban on contracting out
Migration through marriage just got harder
Salary freeze for MPPs backed by McGuinty
Integrity czar blasts bureaucrat’s bullying, spending habits
When will the next referendum be in Quebec, and what will the outcome be?
If you're going to commit electoral fraud, at least keep it plausible
NDP MP Ryan Cleary complains that his pension should be higher
Why are so many former western power colonies so poor?


Can someone explain how the thread "Israeli Lobby forcing US to throw sanctions on India"
is any different than the "Kony 2012" threat?


Please be consistent in your moderation and application of the rules.

Now I await my ban for criticizing the mods.

[LaserEnvy]

I agree...I want to add the thread "Do you provide courtesy flushes?" to that list as well.

[xalex0]

You would have better luck posting in the site comments section.

[Tornado F2]

One thread - which could have been a valid discussion was just shut down because it was labelled "political"

Yet other "political" threads are still open.


Try being banned for "personal attack" like I was this week. I compared a member with that obnoxiously-intolerant and hateful Colton on Survivor and was instantly temp-banned by CSK'sMom. Meanwhile she has so far left jerrysiz's uncalled for and slanderous post accusing me of being a "bigot and homophobe" - because I dared suggest that gays are "tolerated" by society (was I wrong?) - in place, despite it being reported, and him unpunished. Unless this is corrected soon I'll stop contributing to RFD, including sharing my technical, history, geography, and world-affairs knowledge. RFD will be the poorer for it, but I have more constructive ways to use my spare time. It was easy enough for her to delete my post, so why not his?

BTW, bet jerrysiz really is a lot like Colton in real life.

http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2012121//300.Survivor2.tg.022112.jpg

Edit: What do you guys think? Is this not a personal attack on me? It's certainly not true, and completely uncalled for.

http://forums.redflagdeals.com/friends-kid-dresses-like-girl-1151598/18/#post14411868

It's not even required for the thread. So why is it so difficult for her to delete it? Hopefully some less-biased (or more intelligent) mod can delete it instead.

Somebody needs to delete it. I'm not going to accept being slandered in public. Especially when my real world friends and aquaintances know my RFD name as well as my real one, meaning this slander extends to the outside world too.

[dragon_drift]

put "bypassing swear filter" to that list. I've reported the post many times, yet they left it unchanged. Turns out the poster is a mod...

[eudaii]

I agree...I want to add the thread "Do you provide courtesy flushes?" to that list as well.

i loved this thread why is it locked

[mbg]

i just want to say i love all the mods and they are always right

[Tornado F2]

i just want to say i love all the mods and they are always right

Oh yes, of course. All except one certain Mom.

[zz000ter]

stay on topic

[SoBored]

i agree somewhat

i think OT should be open to discuss almost anything, as we (or most of us) are grown adults and many topics that get locked have potential for interesting debates

[sandikosh]

Time to Lock this thread. Posters should not question the mods authorities in locking threads.

[zz000ter]

SHould people speak out against unfairness?

[mbg]

i agree somewhat

i think OT should be open to discuss almost anything, as we (or most of us) are grown adults and many topics that get locked have potential for interesting debates

Maybe if they switch to a new type of database they can more heavily compress the anti-Israel threads with an advanced compression algorithm that predicts the arguments used in the thread and substitutes tokens at appropriate places.

Otherwise, if they don't lock some of these threads up, they just keep going in circles and usually have the same outcome.

Mods perform a valuable function, sort of like maggots and trolls do.

[stuntman]

Yes, the OP should be sent to be reeducated in a camp or requires medical treatment. Someone call the authorities!;)

[jerrysiz]

Try being banned for "personal attack" like I was this week. I compared a member with that obnoxiously-intolerant and hateful Colton on Survivor and was instantly temp-banned by CSK'sMom. Meanwhile she has so far left jerrysiz's uncalled for and slanderous post accusing me of being a "bigot and homophobe" - because I dared suggest that gays are "tolerated" by society (was I wrong?) - in place, despite it being reported, and him unpunished. Unless this is corrected soon I'll stop contributing to RFD, including sharing my technical, history, geography, and world-affairs knowledge. RFD will be the poorer for it, but I have more constructive ways to use my spare time. It was easy enough for her to delete my post, so why not his?

BTW, bet jerrysiz really is a lot like Colton in real life.

http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2012121//300.Survivor2.tg.022112.jpg

Edit: What do you guys think? Is this not a personal attack on me? It's certainly not true, and completely uncalled for.

http://forums.redflagdeals.com/friends-kid-dresses-like-girl-1151598/18/#post14411868

It's not even required for the thread. So why is it so difficult for her to delete it? Hopefully some less-biased (or more intelligent) mod can delete it instead.

Somebody needs to delete it. I'm not going to accept being slandered in public. Especially when my real world friends and aquaintances know my RFD name as well as my real one, meaning this slander extends to the outside world too.

:facepalm: You really do have trouble letting things go, don't you? Well, since you've decided to air your dirty laundry in public, I'll respond.

You've got to actually learn what "slander" is. For what I said to be slander, it would have to be unsupported and untrue. When you wrote homophobic things in that thread like we shouldn't respect or accept gay people, that they're abnormal, and when you compared homosexuality to theft and violent assault (behaviours which you say need to be punished to protect society, like homosexuality used to be), I called you out on it. Getting called out on making bigoted and homophobic statements when you make bigoted and homophobic statements is not being a victim of slander. First, because there is proof that you actually wrote the things that led me to call you that, and second because slander is for spoken defamation, when you do it in print it's libel. If you're going to make wild accusations against me, at least make the right one. My comment responded to actual statements you made in your post, it contained no gratuatous insults or personal attacks. It was a rebuttal to the content of your argument, that's why it has not been removed.

You, on the other hand, went off on a rant completely unrelated to any points I made in my arguments, spewing personal attacks calling me about ten names including a "complete *****, just like Colton" IIRC. If you can't see the difference there, I can't help you.

Incedentally, doubling down on the original personal attack with comments like "BTW, bet jerrysiz really is a lot like Colton in real life." in this thread is probably not the wisest course of action for someone who gets so upset at getting banned for personal attacks.

[Tornado F2]

:facepalm: You really do have trouble letting things go, don't you? Well, since you've decided to air your dirty laundry in public, I'll respond.

You've got to actually learn what "slander" is. For what I said to be slander, it would have to be unsupported and untrue. When you wrote homophobic things in that thread like we shouldn't respect or accept gay people, that they're abnormal, and when you compared homosexuality to theft and violent assault (behaviours which you say need to be punished to protect society, like homosexuality used to be), I called you out on it. Getting called out on making bigoted and homophobic statements when you make bigoted and homophobic statements is not being a victim of slander. First, because there is proof that you actually wrote the things that led me to call you that, and second because slander is for spoken defamation, when you do it in print it's libel. If you're going to make wild accusations against me, at least make the right one. My comment responded to actual statements you made in your post, it contained no gratuatous insults or personal attacks. It was a rebuttal to the content of your argument, that's why it has not been removed.

You, on the other hand, went off on a rant completely unrelated to any points I made in my arguments, spewing personal attacks calling me about ten names including a "complete *****, just like Colton" IIRC. If you can't see the difference there, I can't help you.

Incedentally, doubling down on the original personal attack with comments like "BTW, bet jerrysiz really is a lot like Colton in real life." in this thread is probably not the wisest course of action for someone who gets so upset at getting banned for personal attacks.

See, there you're doing it again. You're accusing me of posting things that I DID NOT say. Perhaps in your biased mind you somehow read things a certain way, but that is definitely not what I posted. I said that homosexuals used to be punished, not that they should be, for example.

As for the Colton post, I was describing HIM, not you, though I certainly saw (and still see) a similarity. People who have seen Colton on Survivor will know what I mean, so I'm going to leave it at that. You've already wasted too much of my time. I have better things to do than put up with yet more distorted and LIBELOUS claims from you.

Oh, BTW, that "*****" - you're the only one using that word. I used "beach". Your word may be a common part of your vocabularity, but it's not a part of mine.

Anyway, you are now officially Ignored. Wish I could keep you from reading my posts too, since you obviously misread them anyway. Like Colton, you only see the world through your own narrow distorted filter. Leave me out of it.

[Ojam]

I've been saying for at least a year now that consistency is a real issue.

[jerrysiz]

See, there you're doing it again. You're accusing me of posting things that I DID NOT say. Perhaps in your biased mind you somehow read things a certain way, but that is definitely not what I posted. I said that homosexuals used to be punished, not that they should be, for example.

As for the Colton post, I was describing HIM, not you, though I certainly saw (and still see) a similarity. People who have seen Colton on Survivor will know what I mean, so I'm going to leave it at that. You've already wasted too much of my time. I have better things to do than put up with yet more distorted and LIBELOUS claims from you.

Oh, BTW, that "*****" - you're the only one using that word. I used "beach". Your word may be a common part of your vocabularity, but it's not a part of mine.

Anyway, you are now officially Ignored. Wish I could keep you from reading my posts too, since you obviously misread them anyway. Like Colton, you only see the world through your own narrow distorted filter. Leave me out of it.

:facepalm: Yes, calling me "a complete beach" to bypass the filters is obviously completely different, and in no way a personal attack. :rolleyes: Is this seriously the best you can do to defend what you got banned for?

I know you said you put me on ignore (good), but even if you're not reading this, I'll just post the following, for clarity's sake:


Most people, even today, could probably go right through life without being aware of "not normal" behaviour, if it wasn't constantly being publicised in the various media, because most people, by definition, are "normal".


Not every practice can be respected and accepted. For society's protection, certain activities need to be punished, such as violent assault, theft, etc. In the past, and even today in many societies, homosexual acts, adultery, etc, were/are punished, often by death. The fact that they are no longer punished in our Western society today doesn't necessarily make them right, respectable, or acceptable, especially if practiced in public.


I'm just saying that not every activity needs to be "accepted and respected" just because its practitioners insist on it.

So, you can claim I've defamed you all you want, but I'll just let what you've said speak for itself.

And, btw, if simply calling someone a bigot is libel, I suppose you should stop accusing people of things you do yourself:


I'm not the bigot here. You're the one demonstrating that trait.

TornadoF2 defamed me! I demand satisfaction! :lol:

If you continue to make arguments I disagree with in the future, I will continue to respond to them, whether you'll be able to read them or not. But, perhaps it's best you put me on ignore, as I still don't think you understand the difference between attacking someone's argument and calling them "a complete beach", you wouldn't want that lack of understanding to get you banned again.

Now, if you're finally going to let this drop (as you claim), I suppose I can be done with it as well.

[EmperorOfCanada]

Please be consistent in your moderation and application of the rules.

Now I await my ban for criticizing the mods.

There is no infraction currently for being overly dramatic. We can look into it.

*Edit*
Everyone else, if you dont have any comment pertaining to the topic, please feel free not to post. We do not need any more fighting amoungst members. You dont have to like eachother, feel free to use the ignore feature.

[Tornado F2]

I'll just post the following, for clarity's sake:


Now, if you're finally going to let this drop (as you claim), I suppose I can be done with it as well.

If you were truly posting for "clarity" you'd include my complete posts, not those snippets that you deludedly (and incorrectly) think support your agenda.

But since there's enough there for any normal, intelligent person to see the fallacy of your outrageous and obnoxious charges, there's no need for further posts. You already proved my point.

Now I just need a mod with sufficient guts, intellect, and lack of bias, to delete your offensive post in the other thread.

Over to you mods. Once I see that other post (http://forums.redflagdeals.com/frien.../#post14411868
) removed I'll be more than happy to add this libelous activist to my ignore list and hopefully never hear from him again.

[actng]

you know... a few years back... for the longest time I was wondering why I was no longer being targeted by the mods for all sorts of infractions. I didn't really change the way I post and I call it like it is.

Now I know why.

there is a NEW generation of asshats on this forum which makes me seem like an angel. it's no wonder my ideas and suggestions are finally being taken seriously, regardless of how extreme and pointed some of them are, because compared to the n00bs, i actually sound coherent and helpful.

lol

[jerrysiz]

If you were truly posting for "clarity" you'd include my complete posts, not those snippets that you deludedly (and incorrectly) think support your agenda.

But since there's enough there for any normal, intelligent person to see the fallacy of your outrageous and obnoxious charges, there's no need for further posts.

Now I just need a mod with sufficient guts, intellect, and lack of bias, to delete your offensive post in the other thread.

Over to you mods. Once I see that other post (http://forums.redflagdeals.com/if-mods-want-apply-rules-censor-do-properly-consistently-1154197/2/if-mods-want-apply-rules-censor-do-properly-consistently-1154197/2/if-mods-want-apply-rules-censor-do-properly-consistently-1154197/2/frien.../#post14411868
) removed I'll be more than happy to add this libelous activist to my ignore list and hopefully never hear from him again.

Somehow I knew you hadn't put me on ignore like you said you had...you wouldn't be able to bear just letting this go. I posted what you wrote, which is exactly what I claimed you wrote, so you can stop repeatedly calling me a liar (which is the only reason I'm bothering to respond to your posts here in the first place). If anyone wants to read the entirety of your comments, they can follow the links, as I was only quoting the parts that prove what I said was not libel (because there is evidence that you did indeed say all of those things). With regard to your having made homophobic comments, the posts you made more than speak for themselves. Now stop derailing this thread with this off topic vendetta. You can put me on ignore (as you claimed to have already done), or respond to my posts in the thread discussing that topic (though if you're going to continue just calling me names and saying I'm the Colton of RFD, I wouldn't bother), but this is neither the time nor the place.

[jerrysiz]

I actually agree that some of the threads in that list are political, and many of them have devolved into repetitive mudslinging, but that's really beside the point. A thread that starts out by saying "israel and the US are bullies.. and it looks like nations like china, south korea, india, etc dont want to take their **** anymore" is a political flamebait troll thread, pure and simple. Saying that there are other threads that are also political doesn't make this one any more worthy of being open for discussion. I don't think any of the threads in that list started with such a provocative flamebait statement, or they would have been locked quickly as well.

Political threads are not allowed, but may be allowed to continue at the mod's discretion, that's pretty clear in the rules. While we may not always agree with the mod's opinions, they are being generous by allowing any of the political threads to continue at all. If some users want to nitpick every decision they make, we'll just end up with a total ban on any political threads at all.

The mod's can't win. If they don't lock political threads OT devolves into bickering and racist insults, if they lock some political threads everyone second-guesses their decisions and calls them biased, if they lock all the political threads people scream censorship. Either way, I think if you're going to make the case that the rules are being applied inconsistently, you would do better finding a more valuable thread than that Israel one.

[Tornado F2]

Somehow I knew you hadn't put me on ignore like you said you had...you wouldn't be able to bear just letting this go. I posted what you wrote, which is exactly what I claimed you wrote, so you can stop repeatedly calling me a liar (which is the only reason I'm bothering to respond to your posts here in the first place). If anyone wants to read the entirety of your comments, they can follow the links, as I was only quoting the parts that prove what I said was not libel (because there is evidence that you did indeed say all of those things). With regard to your having made homophobic comments, the posts you made more than speak for themselves. Now stop derailing this thread with this off topic vendetta. You can put me on ignore (as you claimed to have already done), or respond to my posts in the thread discussing that topic (though if you're going to continue just calling me names and saying I'm the Colton of RFD, I wouldn't bother), but this is neither the time nor the place.

As I said, I WILL put you on ignore once I see the mods remove your libelous post. I can't see if they have or not until then. But it's just as well that I haven't yet, because you obviously took the cowardly approach of trying to attack me yet again, hoping I wouldn't see. But as I said, the joke's on you. You just demonstrated the truth of my argument and proved my point. Nothing in my posts could be construed as "bigoted" or "homophobic", unless being tolerant of others' differences is now considered a crime. Wait until others see the way you attack people with traditional non-pro-gay (not anti, just not pro) values. They'll see who the real phobic bigot is. Funny how you want me to accept such obnoxious (and unwarranted) labels (they really should be asterisked out anyway, considering other censored words here), yet the mere word "Colton" (as in the obnoxious, intolerant Survivor character, for those not yet familiar) gets your knickers all-a-twisted. Something tells me it's a VERY appropriate comparison, and you well know it.

Anyway, drop it already. I'm sick of your waste-of-time libelous bickering. Find a low-IQ skinhead to target. Maybe you'll have better luck there. But probably not even then.

[jerrysiz]

As I said, I WILL put you on ignore once I see the mods remove your libelous post. I can't see if they have or not until then. But it's just as well that I haven't yet, because you obviously took the cowardly approach of trying to attack me yet again, hoping I wouldn't see. But as I said, the joke's on you. You just demonstrated the truth of my argument and proved my point. Nothing in my posts could be construed as "bigoted" or "homophobic", unless being tolerant of others' differences is now considered a crime. Wait until others see the way you attack people with traditional non-pro-gay (not anti, just not pro) values. They'll see who the real phobic bigot is. Funny how you want me to accept such obnoxious (and unwarranted) labels (they really should be asterisked out anyway, considering other censored words here), yet the mere word "Colton" (as in the obnoxious, intolerant Survivor character, for those not yet familiar) gets your knickers all-a-twisted. Something tells me it's a VERY appropriate comparison, and you well know it.

Anyway, drop it already. I'm sick of your waste-of-time libelous bickering. Find a low-IQ skinhead to target. Maybe you'll have better luck there. But probably not even then.

You certainly are worked up over this, aren't you? Stop with the lies, you know you did much more than call me "colton" to get banned. And, again, I wrote nothing libelous because everything I claimed you wrote was something you actually wrote.

Now if I had said you ritually sacrifice puppies or are in favour of allowing dairy cows to own property, that would be libelous, as there is no proof that you actually said or did those things. See the difference?

If you simply do not like the conclusions I draw or the opinions I form from the statements you did, in fact, make, that is not libel. The posts I made referred directly to points you made in your arguments, there's nothing in them that rates their removal. So just drop it and put me on ignore, it'll be good for your blood pressure. Trolling unrelated threads with off topic posts to try to force the mods to remove a totally valid post just because you don't like it is just juvenile...and really not very smart on your part, as everyone would have already forgotten your comments if you didn't keep bringing them up like this. Let the rest of us get on with discussing the topic at hand, no one cares about your agenda.

[EmperorOfCanada]

I am going to keep this short and sweet so I dont end up rambling. I generally dont like making peoples dirty laundry public however you have done it for me so i will respond publicly.

Tornado F2 - I disagree with you that the post needs to be removed, however to a degree I see your point and think you may have been misinterpreted and I can understand how that might be frustrating for you. That is MY opinion, and you are welcome to ask another moderator for a second opinion.

Jerrysiz - It would be awfully nice of you to consider removing the post at his request, or at least rewording certain things he takes most offense to.

Tornado F2 & Jerrysiz - Act like adults. I reccomend you both use the ignore feature if you cant just pretend eachother dont exist. Failing that, at least take your bickering to PM and keep it out of the forum threads. Stop making things so personal.

Everyone - This topic is about proper and consistant moderation. If you want to keep the thread open, lets stick to the topic.

[jerrysiz]

I am going to keep this short and sweet so I dont end up rambling. I generally dont like making peoples dirty laundry public however you have done it for me so i will respond publicly.

Tornado F2 - I disagree with you that the post needs to be removed, however to a degree I see your point and think you may have been misinterpreted and I can understand how that might be frustrating for you. That is MY opinion, and you are welcome to ask another moderator for a second opinion.

Jerrysiz - It would be awfully nice of you to consider removing the post at his request, or at least rewording certain things he takes most offense to.

Tornado F2 & Jerrysiz - Act like adults. I reccomend you both use the ignore feature if you cant just pretend eachother dont exist. Failing that, at least take your bickering to PM and keep it out of the forum threads. Stop making things so personal.

Everyone - This topic is about proper and consistant moderation. If you want to keep the thread open, lets stick to the topic.

Well, since you asked so nicely. ;) There. I've changed the "you"s to "one"s with regard to the homophobia comments, to make it more general and not specifically call him a homophobe, and put in a part about my forming opinions based on what he said (to make it even clearer that, obviously, calling someone a homophobe is a subjective finding based on interpretation of their statements). That's about all I'm willing to change, as I stand by my original post, and this was a one-time deal, I'm not going to do it every time he gets offended by someone disagreeing with him. Now maybe we can stop being held hostage to vendettas and get on with discussing the topic at hand.

[Tornado F2]

You certainly are worked up over this, aren't you? Stop with the lies, you know you did much more than call me "colton" to get banned. And, again, I wrote nothing libelous because everything I claimed you wrote was something you actually wrote.

Now if I had said you ritually sacrifice puppies or are in favour of allowing dairy cows to own property, that would be libelous, as there is no proof that you actually said or did those things. See the difference?

If you simply do not like the conclusions I draw or the opinions I form from the statements you did, in fact, make, that is not libel. The posts I made referred directly to points you made in your arguments, there's nothing in them that rates their removal. So just drop it and put me on ignore, it'll be good for your blood pressure. Trolling unrelated threads with off topic posts to try to force the mods to remove a totally valid post just because you don't like it is just juvenile...and really not very smart on your part, as everyone would have already forgotten your comments if you didn't keep bringing them up like this. Let the rest of us get on with discussing the topic at hand, no one cares about your agenda.


Well, since you asked so nicely. ;) There. I've changed the "you"s to "one"s with regard to the homophobia comments, to make it more general and not specifically call him a homophobe, and put in a part about my forming opinions based on what he said (to make it even clearer that, obviously, calling someone a homophobe is a subjective finding based on interpretation of their statements). That's about all I'm willing to change, as I stand by my original post, and this was a one-time deal, I'm not going to do it every time he gets offended by someone disagreeing with him. Now maybe we can stop being held hostage to vendettas and get on with discussing the topic at hand.

YOU are the only one making lies and false accusations, and seeing as you obviously intend to do so again in the future it would obviously be foolish of me to put on blinkers and leave your activities unmonitored. I will keep an eye on your future posts, since the Ignore function only works in your devious interests. As for hostages and agendas, you hoped to use me to further your own obvious agenda, trying to distort and mislabel me as you did. As I said, you picked the wrong person to try and manipulate and impose your will on. Stick to bullying the weak and weak-minded in future, if you really must. But then you claim to be anti-bullying too, don't you. Just look in a mirror next time and leave everybody else be.


I am going to keep this short and sweet so I dont end up rambling. I generally dont like making peoples dirty laundry public however you have done it for me so i will respond publicly.

Tornado F2 - I disagree with you that the post needs to be removed, however to a degree I see your point and think you may have been misinterpreted and I can understand how that might be frustrating for you. That is MY opinion, and you are welcome to ask another moderator for a second opinion.

Jerrysiz - It would be awfully nice of you to consider removing the post at his request, or at least rewording certain things he takes most offense to.

Tornado F2 & Jerrysiz - Act like adults. I reccomend you both use the ignore feature if you cant just pretend eachother dont exist. Failing that, at least take your bickering to PM and keep it out of the forum threads. Stop making things so personal.

Everyone - This topic is about proper and consistant moderation. If you want to keep the thread open, lets stick to the topic.

Thank you Emperor. I'm sorry that it had to be brought out in public, but I brought jerrysiz's offensive post, in which he now admits intentionally calling me a homophobe - (Is that not considered a personal attack? Apparently comparing him to Colton was enough to get me banned) - to CSK'sMom's attention several times, using RFD's Report button, and she chose to not only ignore it but to evidently take sides too. When I saw this thread today, it was an obvious way to draw attention to an unfair and libelous situation that was otherwise going uncorrected.

But for the record, just in case it is not entirely clear to anybody, I am NOT a bigot or homophobe, regardless of whether his accusations are removed or not. I am a very tolerant and accepting person of people of all races, creeds, and other designations. I am certainly not afraid of anybody based on their orientation, I do not hate anybody for their differences, and I do not wish to impose my will on anybody. (And I don't accept others, like him, who do try to do that, especially on our vulnerable schoolchildren). But if somebody attacks me, or makes false charges, then I WILL defend myself. And others too. Because that's the right thing to do.

Anyway, as far as I can tell this is as far as this can be taken, short of the offending post being deleted. I hope we can now move on. It is not me that created this situation, regardless of what jerrysiz may claim. It is he that has an agenda, a wish to spread self-serving propaganda, not me. But if he's wise he'll leave me well out of it in future as I obviously won't abandon my personal values and principles and stand idly by while he lies and libels. Now let's please get back to RFD being RFD - a place for the friendly and cooperative sharing of deals and useful advice and information, not political grandstanding and unjustified personal attacks. It's getting to the point where Off Topic in particular is a troll-filled minefield and barely worth visiting, let alone participating in. I'm not sure if I'll bother contributing here again. But if I see another obvious attack, I WILL report it. To a less-biased mod than last time, hopefully.

Now let's hope THAT is the last of it.

[jerrysiz]

YOU are the only one making lies and false accusations, and seeing as you obviously intend to do so again in the future it would obviously be foolish of me to put on blinkers and leave your activities unmonitored. I will keep an eye on your future posts, since the Ignore function only works in your devious interests. As for hostages and agendas, you hoped to use me to further your own obvious agenda, trying to distort and mislabel me as you did. As I said, you picked the wrong person to try and manipulate and impose your will on. Stick to bullying the weak and weak-minded in future, if you really must. But then you claim to be anti-bullying too, don't you. Just look in a mirror next time and leave everybody else be.


Thank you Emperor. I'm sorry that it had to be brought out in public, but I brought jerrysiz's offensive post, in which he now admits intentionally calling me a homophobe - (Is that not considered a personal attack? Apparently comparing him to Colton was enough to get me banned) - to CSK'sMom's attention several times, using RFD's Report button, and she chose to not only ignore it but to evidently take sides too. When I saw this thread today, it was an obvious way to draw attention to an unfair and libelous situation that was otherwise going uncorrected.

But for the record, just in case it is not entirely clear to anybody, I am NOT a bigot or homophobe, regardless of whether his accusations are removed or not. I am a very tolerant and accepting person of people of all races, creeds, and other designations. I am certainly not afraid of anybody based on their orientation, I do not hate anybody for their differences, and I do not wish to impose my will on anybody. (And I don't accept others, like him, who do try to do that, especially on our vulnerable schoolchildren). But if somebody attacks me, or makes false charges, then I WILL defend myself. And others too. Because that's the right thing to do.

Anyway, as far as I can tell this is as far as this can be taken, short of the offending post being deleted. I hope we can now move on. It is not me that created this situation, regardless of what jerrysiz may claim. It is he that has an agenda, a wish to spread self-serving propaganda, not me. But if he's wise he'll leave me well out of it in future as I obviously won't abandon my personal values and principles and stand idly by while he lies and libels. Now let's please get back to RFD being RFD - a place for the friendly and cooperative sharing of deals and useful advice and information, not political grandstanding and unjustified personal attacks. It's getting to the point where Off Topic in particular is a troll-filled minefield and barely worth visiting, let alone participating in. I'm not sure if I'll bother contributing here again. But if I see another obvious attack, I WILL report it. To a less-biased mod than last time, hopefully.

Now let's hope THAT is the last of it.

:eek: Yeaaaaah, okay, whatever you say. The "report this post" button sends your report to all the mods, btw, so don't go away thinking it was only one "biased" mod that thought there was no problem with my post. Of course, as expected, you're going back on your word that you'd put me on ignore once you'd gotten your way, but whatever. At least you can leave this thread now and let the rest of us get back to the discussion at hand, as it seems you have nothing relevant to the topic to say.

[Tornado F2]

:eek: Yeaaaaah, okay, whatever you say. The "report this post" button sends your report to all the mods, btw, so don't go away thinking it was only one "biased" mod that thought there was no problem with my post. Of course, as expected, you're going back on your word that you'd put me on ignore once you'd gotten your way, but whatever. At least you can leave this thread now and let the rest of us get back to the discussion at hand, as it seems you have nothing relevant to the topic to say.

:facepalm:

You're the one who won't let it drop, and vows to attack me again in future as and when it suits you. Do you really expect me to Ignore you now? That's like granting you a free pass to backstab and lie at will. I have to keep an eye on you now. But I will add you to my personal troll list. You will never receive any assistance from me now that I've got the real measure of you. Actually I think I'll rename it the Colton list, just for you. It's a perfect fit. The Survivor snake won't shut up either. I've stopped watching that, and I'm done with you.

[jerrysiz]

:facepalm:

You're the one who won't let it drop, and vows to attack me again in future as and when it suits you. Do you really expect me to Ignore you now? That's like granting you a free pass to backstab and lie at will. I have to keep an eye on you now. But I will add you to my personal troll list. You will never receive any assistance from me now that I've got the real measure of you. Actually I think I'll rename it the Colton list, just for you. It's a perfect fit. The Survivor snake won't shut up either. I've stopped watching that, and I'm done with you.

How many times do you usually have to say you're done before you actually leave? Just wondering. Unlike you, I've actually made a post relating to the topic of this thread, and would like to get back to discussing it. Thanks.

Edit: If you're just wanting the last word, feel free to take it. Rant some more, I won't respond if it means you'll finally go away.

[Ojam]

You both should be sent to a corner to think about what you have done.

[jerrysiz]

You both should be sent to a corner to think about what you have done.

What I've done is correct his misconceptions about what slander and libel are, and repeatedly ask him to stop derailing this thread...But I'll gladly go to a corner and think about that as long as he doesn't follow me there to continue this argument which, as far as I'm concerned, died with the OT thread that started it.

[FunSave22]

Please be consistent in your moderation and application of the rules.

Please don't be consistent in the way the OP wants.

This isn't a democracy. Feel free to continue to use common sense when closing threads.




Can someone explain how the thread "Israeli Lobby forcing US to throw sanctions on India"
is any different than the "Kony 2012" threat?
I'd be happy to.

Every (or nearly every) thread dealing with Israel and/or Palestine quickly spirals out of control. Usually with plenty of insults and offensive stereotypes posted by every side. Past history shows that RFD is basically incapable of have a reasoned discussion when it comes to Israel and Palestine.


I'm not claiming that all of the other political threads don't spiral out of control in the same way, but many of them don't. If this forum treats Israel and Palenstine threads as equals to other political threads and not insta-lock them, the pain and suffering this would inflict on the mods would likely cause the bans on all political threads to be implemented. (if not have Off Topic shut down).




If we don't let the mods use some common sense in insta-locking threads they know are going to spiral out of control, expecting them to deal with the aftermath is cruel and unreasonable. And yes, this might occasionally make some people feel they aren't being treated fairly. And my advice to these people would be to get over it. And if you are that scarred, find another forum that doesn't lock.

[zz000ter]

This isn't a democracy. Feel free to continue to use common sense when closing threads.

So in other words - apply the rules only when it suits you.
So when people criticize Arabs leave the thread open
When people criticize Israel shut down the thread

You just said



Every (or nearly every) thread dealing with Israel and/or Palestine quickly spirals out of control.


but you also said -



I'm not claiming that all of the other political threads don't spiral out of control in the same way, but many of them don't.

So in other words you are saying that every red can on the 401 speeding at 160km/h be stopped
but only some black cars speeding at 150 km/h should be stopped.

Back to Kony2012 vs Israel threads.

You are saying that it is OK to keep a thread open even if it has CLEARLY derailed when the discussion is a BLACK man in AFRICA killing and terrorizing people but it is not OK to discuss a WHITE ISRAELI military killing and terrorizing people?



Very interesting argument

[FunSave22]

So in other words - apply the rules only when it suits you.
That's no where close to what I said.



So when people criticize Arabs leave the thread open
When people criticize Israel shut down the thread
I didn't say that either.




So in other words you are saying that every red can on the 401 speeding at 160km/h be stopped
but only some black cars speeding at 150 km/h should be stopped.
As I already stated, RFD isn't a democracy. If the mods know from history that threads on certain topics always spin out of control, I have no problems with them locking them even if they haven't yet spun out of control.

I don't expect absolute freedom of speech on RFD. If I wanted to discuss a topic that I know will be insta-locked here, I'll go to another website or start my own website.



Back to Kony2012 vs Israel threads.

You are saying that it is OK to keep a thread open even if it has CLEARLY derailed when the discussion is a BLACK man in AFRICA killing and terrorizing people but it is not OK to discuss a WHITE ISRAELI military killing and terrorizing people?
I haven't read the Kony thread, but even if what you say is true, I still have no problems with the mods decisions. I don't think RFD has a past history of many Kony threads spinning out of control. But RFD definitely has a history of many Israel/Palestine threads nearly always spinning out of control.

[Marc7]

One thread - which could have been a valid discussion was just shut down because it was labelled "political"

Yet other "political" threads are still open.
I
Please be consistent in your moderation and application of the rules.

Now I await my ban for criticizing the mods.

Bang on, the mods let some slip and enforce rules on others, with no consistency or transparency...

[zz000ter]

As I already stated, RFD isn't a democracy. If the mods know from history that threads on certain topics always spin out of control, I have no problems with them locking them even if they haven't yet spun out of control.

I don't expect absolute freedom of speech on RFD. If I wanted to discuss a topic that I know will be insta-locked here, I'll go to another website or start my own website. .

I never mentioned democracy or freedom of speech.
I am talking about the proper application of the posted rules.
I am talking about the rule of law.
Rules should be followed even in autocracies.

Maybe the posting rules should say "We will decide willy-nilly what is appropriate and what is not."

Why even have the pretense of rules?




I haven't read the Kony thread, but even if what you say is true, I still have no problems with the mods decisions. I don't think RFD has a past history of many Kony threads spinning out of control. But RFD definitely has a history of many Israel/Palestine threads nearly always spinning out of control.

Interesting logic.

Past Kony2012 threads have not spun out of control - so we will not shut down this Kony2012 thread which has spun out of control.

I am pretty sure that in Nazi Germany people were not allowed to say anything against the Jewish Ghettos and concentration camps

Today we are clearly not allowed to say anything agains the Palestinian Ghettos and the slow genocide of the Palestinian people.

But setting that aside - all I ask is that the mods be just in their application of the rules.

If there is a rule agains political speech then apply it properly
Otherwise the system is a joke

Maybe OT should just be shut down if it can't be managed professionally

[FunSave22]

Maybe the posting rules should say "We will decide willy-nilly what is appropriate and what is not."

Have you bothered to read the new off topic guidelines? They make it quite clear the mods are going to have large amounts of discretion in deciding what threads to keep or not keep.




Past Kony2012 threads have not spun out of control - so we will not shut down this Kony2012 thread which has spun out of control.
Once again that's not what I said.

The Kony thread should not have been shut down immediately after being started up, because there is no history of Kony threads going out of control. The same is not true of the Israel/Palestine threads.


I haven't read the Kony thread, so I have no opinion about whether it should be shut down now.

[jerrysiz]

Please don't be consistent in the way the OP wants.

This isn't a democracy. Feel free to continue to use common sense when closing threads.


+1



As I already stated, RFD isn't a democracy. If the mods know from history that threads on certain topics always spin out of control, I have no problems with them locking them even if they haven't yet spun out of control.

I don't expect absolute freedom of speech on RFD. If I wanted to discuss a topic that I know will be insta-locked here, I'll go to another website or start my own website.

This. Mods have discretion to lock political threads, they shouldn't have to explain themselves every time they do, especially with a thread as self-explanatory as that Israel one, which was clearly trolling. Just because some other political threads are left open does not mean that flamebait thread had any merit.


I am pretty sure that in Nazi Germany people were not allowed to say anything against the Jewish Ghettos and concentration camps

Today we are clearly not allowed to say anything agains the Palestinian Ghettos and the slow genocide of the Palestinian people.

But setting that aside - all I ask is that the mods be just in their application of the rules.

And with that terrible analogy we're getting ever closer to an invocation of Godwin's law and the inevitable end to this thread.

You keep saying you want the mods to be "just", what exactly do you mean by that? Only locking threads you think are too political to continue? Not locking any threads at all and reducing OT to the level of racist mudslinging? Immediately locking all political threads on sight?

Are you saying that you don't think a thread that starts out by saying Israelis are bullies and in short order prompts comments like yours drawing nazi analogies is worthy of being locked, or are you saying that all of those other political threads you mentioned (in which people have carried on heated discussion for pages without calling entire countries genocidal maniacs) are "just as bad" and should be locked as well, in the interest of fairness? Be careful what you wish for.

[zz000ter]

What I am saying is this:

If a rule exists that political threads will not be tolerated (such a rule exists)
Then ALL political threads need to be closed and deleted

It is simple as that.

There should be no "I agree with this political thread and so I will leave it open"

[zz000ter]

Are you saying that you don't think a thread that starts out by saying Israelis are bullies and in short order prompts comments like yours drawing nazi analogies is worthy of being locked, or are you saying that all of those other political threads you mentioned (in which people have carried on heated discussion for pages without calling entire countries genocidal maniacs) are "just as bad" and should be locked as well, in the interest of fairness? Be careful what you wish for.

Are you saying that:
it is OK to label Country G in 1941 a country of genocidal maniacs in search of Lebensraum (acceptable discussion)
it is NOT OK to label Country I in 2012 a country of genocidal maniacs in search of Lebensraum (un-acceptable discussion)

What I am saying is BE CONSISTENT
otherwise you are being BIASED
and I don't think that is good for the RFD brand
nor for Yellow Pages

[CSK'sMom]

Zzoooter, have you actually read the OT rules. It's posted as a sticky right at the top of the forum. http://forums.redflagdeals.com/ot-guidelines-updated-1009785/ ...

Political & Religious threads
Political and Religious threads are still not allowed. This is a clause that will allow mods and admins to keep some current event topics open that may infringe on our no religious and/or political topics. For example, UBB, G20, the protests are all political in nature but also important to us as Canadians. If this clause gets abused, we will go back to the original no political/religious threads. This was for you the user to be able to discuss important current events, do not abuse it.

These topics general generate a lot of dialogue between the members but the discussion will be come heated due to the nature of the topic or the discussion will lead to this direction. Please do remember that meaningful discussion is encouraged but keep an open mind since everybody will have his/her own opinion and it's expected that opinion is respected. Trolling, baiting or flaming will not be tolerated and can or will be removed at the discretion of the moderating team.


Oranr has made it very clear in previous threads in this forum... Because people can't seem to play nice and abide by forum rules in many of the political type threads, admins may very well make the unilateral decision to go back to absolute zero tolerance and a ban on all politics, period. That would mean instant locks and infraction points, just like adult content.

Now I will say that funsave is right, certain political topics are far more adversarial right from the start and get locked due to past threads. Nothing is accomplished by keeping them open...

This OT caluse does not override the main forum rules and community policies. Certain topics bring out the worst in people and they can't seem to abide by this...

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- Religious or political threads are not allowed. (Mods and admins are allowed to keep some current event topics open that may infringe on our no religious and/or political policy.)
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Treat other community members with respect.

There is a difference between forceful advocacy for a particular issue (which is allowed) and personally attacking a forum member (which is not allowed).

Unambiguous expressions of bigotry or hate will be edited and may result in the immediate ban of the poster. Posters should consider the editing, and email notification of such editing, as a warning to cease such behaviour. If it is unclear whether a comment is bigoted or hateful, moderators will generally give the benefit of the doubt. However, individuals who repeatedly post borderline-bigoted and hateful comments will lose posting privileges (gag or ban).

Personal attacks are not allowed. Any direct and specifically organized wording intended to disparage a person (including, but not limited to: personal qualities, beliefs, points of view and political ideology) is prohibited. Personal attacks are clearly intended to smear, insult or disparage. There are two types of attacks:

- Saying bad things about another member of this forum. For example: "You are an idiot."
- Insulting another member of this forum. For example: "Screw you."

When a post is obviously intended to be malicious, it will be edited or removed.

All statements that begin with "you" are not attacks, although this is a yellow flag. However, if someone says "you frequently make negative comments about <insert group name>," that would be allowed if it accurately characterizes that person's posting style. However, if someone types "you are a liar" or "you always lie," then that post has crossed the line into personal attack because the comment asserts a negative personal characteristic.

[Shaner]

Political threads are not allowed, but may be allowed to continue at the mod's discretion, that's pretty clear in the rules. While we may not always agree with the mod's opinions, they are being generous by allowing any of the political threads to continue at all. If some users want to nitpick every decision they make, we'll just end up with a total ban on any political threads at all.

The mod's can't win. If they don't lock political threads OT devolves into bickering and racist insults, if they lock some political threads everyone second-guesses their decisions and calls them biased, if they lock all the political threads people scream censorship. Either way, I think if you're going to make the case that the rules are being applied inconsistently, you would do better finding a more valuable thread than that Israel one.

This right here!!! Whining about inconsistent moderation will just result in a complete ban on any meaningful discussion. Instead, take what the mods give you and be grateful any political discussion is being allowed at all.

[Tornado F2]

Zzoooter, have you actually read the OT rules. It's posted as a sticky right at the top of the forum. http://forums.redflagdeals.com/ot-guidelines-updated-1009785/ ...


- All statements that begin with "you" are not attacks, although this is a yellow flag. However, if someone says "you frequently make negative comments about <insert group name>," that would be allowed if it accurately characterizes that person's posting style. However, if someone types "you are a liar" or "you always lie," then that post has crossed the line into personal attack because the comment asserts a negative personal characteristic.


This is the rule you should have applied to the offensive post that jerrysiz made in the other thread. He apparently outsmarted you by moving the personal attack further into his post and moving the "you" away from the start of the sentence. His real intent was clear enough if you read the post properly. Shame you didn't. That's how the craftier trolls get by the mods, and they'll use it every time.

As an example, instead of saying "you are a Colton" he would say "being a Colton is a choice, one isn't born that way". (Obviously he chose to use a far more offensive and hateful word than that). The intent is still the same, it is a personal attack with the grammar rearranged, and that is why I want to see it removed. He has edited it slightly, under pressure from EoC, but it remains offensive, especially when read in the full context of the thread. It IS a personal attack, whether you realise it or not. He even admitted on the previous page of this thread that it was directed at me. Isn't that the definition of personal?

("I've changed the "you"s to "one"s with regard to the *********** comments, to make it more general and not specifically call him a ***********""). It's still a personal attack.


BTW, I see he waited up all Friday night, lurking in his corner, hoping that I'd come back so he could resume his bickering. :rolleyes:

Several hours spent here but he failed to make the on-topic post he claimed he was going to make.

Wonder what was stopping him?

It's obvious really.

[zz000ter]

I have read the rules

In black and white it says "Political and Religious threads are still not allowed. "

but then it says - to paraphrase "but we get to approve political threads"

In this "we get to choose" is the BIAS problem.

It is from this "current events disclaimer" that we are allowed to discuss
1. African thug terrorizing and killing people
but are not allowed to talk about
2. Israeli government terrorizing and killing people

Yes - I acknowledge you are the masters of the forum universe.
Yes - you decide, based on your personal agenda, what does and does not get discussed.

I am saying that the "Political and Religious threads are still not allowed. " should trump the disclaimer to the rule

Maybe it is best to go back to BLACK AND WHITE - NO political threats.
That will eliminate any perception of bias

[CSK'sMom]

Funny thing Tornado, EoC told you he didn't deem it a personal attack, neither did I and I can assume the other mods didn't either as not one of us edited it or removed it, despite your multiple reports of it. Frankly, you didn't like being called out on what you wrote, but it WAS NOT a personal attack. Unlike what you wrote in the post that was deleted and earned you a temp ban...

At this point, you've already been told by EoC and now me that this is not the thread to carry this vendetta on in. Please follow the advice we've given...

[Tabooger]

I know I hate to be that 'cool' guy coming in here and telling you this, but some of you really need a life outside of RFD. I don't think I have a life outside of RFD but then I don't create dumb threads about getting butthurt in a forum.

[zz000ter]

Tabooger - I did not get "butthurt"

I am just commenting on social injustice.
Do you ever speak out about social injustice?
Have you ever been politically active?

Some people are just sheep and the wolves eat them
Then there are other sheep that try to put up a fight - but in the end still get eaten.

[Shaner]

Tabooger - I did not get "butthurt"

I am just commenting on social injustice.
Do you ever speak out about social injustice?
Have you ever been politically active?

Some people are just sheep and the wolves eat them
Then there are other sheep that try to put up a fight - but in the end still get eaten.

Tabooger is right, you need to get a life outside of RFD. There is no social injustice on RFD. The mods close threads they believe have no chance of remaining civil, and they leave ones open that they believe have a chance of remaining civil. It's as easy as that, and it's sad you can't see the difference.

[zz000ter]

Is it about "civility" or "political agenda"?

If 90% of people are against a social and political injustice
but 10% support the political and social injustice

Who is right?
By shutting down the discussion - the 10% wins and the social and political injustice continues

If that "just"?

Shaner - enough with the "get a life" personal attacks.
Since you are here criticizing me, you have the same type of life that I do - no better no worse.

[ishfish]

I think if one wants to discuss politics, religion and so forth that is great.

Rfd is just not the site to hold those interactions in.

[Shaner]

I think if one wants to discuss politics, religion and so forth that is great.

Rfd is just not the site to hold those interactions in.

Why isn't it? Off Topic has nothing to do with being a deals site, so lets not use that excuse. RFD is no more a place to discuss dating (a common theme in OT that is allowed) than political or religious topics. Why is one okay and not the other?

[Shaner]

Is it about "civility" or "political agenda"?

If 90% of people are against a social and political injustice
but 10% support the political and social injustice

Who is right?
By shutting down the discussion - the 10% wins and the social and political injustice continues

If that "just"?

Shaner - enough with the "get a life" personal attacks.
Since you are here criticizing me, you have the same type of life that I do - no better no worse.

The difference is I'm not on here whining that the mods choose to use discretion rather than a blanket ban on any meaningful discussion. Just because threads are locked that you don't want to see locked doesn't mean the mods have a hidden agenda. It's pretty clear why certain threads are kept open whereas others aren't, and it's usually obvious just by reading the first post. If it's political in nature but the original post isn't flame bait and all other posts remain mostly civil, it will likely be kept open (at least lately). If it's the opposite, then it will be locked quite quickly.

Anyway, whine away, I'm going to celebrate St. Patty's day.

ps. You're not going to solve social issues on RFD

[ishfish]

Why isn't it? Off Topic has nothing to do with being a deals site, so lets not use that excuse. RFD is no more a place to discuss dating (a common theme in OT that is allowed) than political or religious topics. Why is one okay and not the other?

I do not know why.

I personally would enjoy it.

Maybe:
- makes it harder to attract advertisers.
- mom and dad (or The Bible according to RFD) said so.
- both.
- I will edit in that the potential fighting would require a whole other mod team.

Sometimes the answer as to why makes obeying the law easier. And maybe it is a law that needs to be changed.
But until then I think there are other sites that would fill the need of those wanting the dicussions they cannot have here.

[AcidBomber]

Um... im just going to come in here and ask a hypothetical question to all the people complaining (and everyone else that wants to comment).
From what i've noticed recently, it seems like a small number of (vocal) users get upset and "whine" at post/thread deletions and closures; and 99% of the time it involves OT.

So with that said, would you be happier if OT was removed completely?
im mainly curious at what the complaining users have to say.

personally, as a "regular" user, i really think some of you take things too personally.
some people are forgetting that this is a bargain hunting site - not another offtopic.com. and i can bet theres quite a number of OT posters that never (or very rarely) visit other forums like Hot Deals.

[Tornado F2]

Funny thing Tornado, EoC told you he didn't deem it a personal attack, neither did I and I can assume the other mods didn't either as not one of us edited it or removed it, despite your multiple reports of it. Frankly, you didn't like being called out on what you wrote, but it WAS NOT a personal attack. Unlike what you wrote in the post that was deleted and earned you a temp ban...

At this point, you've already been told by EoC and now me that this is not the thread to carry this vendetta on in. Please follow the advice we've given...

I have no vendetta, and I have no intent to carry on. I just want to make it clear that I DID NOT say or write anything homophobic or bigoted, and I am neither. I am simply not pro-homosexuality (which I believe to be a lifestyle choice). That doesn't mean anti, just not in support of their agenda, especially in lower schools with pre-pubescant children. If that is sufficient justification to accuse me of being a homophobe or a bigot then it's fair to accuse the majority of Canadians of being homophobes and bigots too. Which is obviously an insult and nonsense as Canadians, myself included, are actually very tolerant of each others' differences. It's one of the features that sets Canada apart from most other countries.

As for the deleted post that "earned" me a ban, I was describing the Colton character on Survivor, as intolerant and bigoted as they come, attacking pretty much every group in America today with his nasty names. Anybody who has seen the show would agree with my description. I didn't use any nasty or inappropriate words and certainly didn't target any RFDer, other than pointing out the similarity. It's a shame you didn't read my post more carefully, and that mods didn't read jerrysiz's post in its true context, along with the posts that preceded it, both his and mine, to see the real intent. As I said, the trolls are getting more and more cunning around here. I have better things to do than waste my time with them, so I'll switch into non-contributing watch mode like the growing majority of RFDers these days. Increasingly RFD will become a soapbox for deviant activists and trolls, rather than the positive community it once was. Shame really. But no longer my concern.

Ta-ta Off Topic. I regret ever discovering this section. Far too many Coltons live here.

[D-Roc]

"Social injustice"?? Really?? You have to be kidding. This is a forum on a bargain hunting web site. Social justice does not even come into play here. It is the internet.

Are you always so easily upset over a random, faceless person calling you a name?? Specifically a bigot and a homophob? I think you need to put things in perspective. If you think that a post was inappropriate and after being reported, nothing is done, then I suggest you PM the admin. I have reported things that were never removed, edited, or locked. I just deal with it and move on. Maybe you should too.

[ishfish]

Tornado F2

It is difficult to talk about a post that was deleted. But I think I remember enough of it.

One poster queried "What bigger problems?" would develop if the child continued to dress as a girl. Then up goes the picture.

It was not posted as a comment on his irritating personality - it was posted because it is swishy. And then you (I think you - correct me if it was someone else here)took the bait and upped it by using unnecessarily vulgar and offensive language.

The post was not deleted because of the opinion, but because of the way the opinion was stated.

Don't let it wreck your weekend.:)

[jerrysiz]

I have no vendetta, and I have no intent to carry on.

And yet, here you are. Again. :facepalm:


Increasingly RFD will become a soapbox for deviant activists

Well, calling us "deviant activists" certainly supports your argument that you're not at all homophobic. Keep digging that hole.


As for the deleted post that "earned" me a ban, I was describing the Colton character on Survivor, as intolerant and bigoted as they come, attacking pretty much every group in America today with his nasty names. Anybody who has seen the show would agree with my description. I didn't use any nasty or inappropriate words and certainly didn't target any RFDer, other than pointing out the similarity.

Lies, and you know it.


I have better things to do than waste my time with them, so I'll switch into non-contributing watch mode like the growing majority of RFDers these days.
...
Ta-ta Off Topic.

You know, all of these grand exit speeches you make have less and less impact every time you make one and then fail to leave.

I'll say this once. You don't like what I said, get over it, it was not a personal attack and it's not going to be removed, your threats to yell and scream and derail unrelated threads until it is are just making you look childish. I chose to edit my post (though there was nothing wrong with it so I certainly was under no obligation to do so) because EoC suggested it might be a nice gesture (he did not, as you claimed, pressure me into anything), and because I thought giving you what you wanted might put an end to your whining and thread derailing. Since my edit seems to have failed to achieve that purpose, I'm letting you know that if you do not drop this I am seriously going to consider restoring the post to its original form. You've repeatedly said you're going to leave OT, and this thread, and not contribute anymore. Now would probably be a good time to follow through on that, as I've been pretty patient and accomodating to your unreasonable demands, but you're seriously beginning to try my patience.

[jerrysiz]

Um... im just going to come in here and ask a hypothetical question to all the people complaining (and everyone else that wants to comment).
From what i've noticed recently, it seems like a small number of (vocal) users get upset and "whine" at post/thread deletions and closures; and 99% of the time it involves OT.

So with that said, would you be happier if OT was removed completely?
im mainly curious at what the complaining users have to say.

personally, as a "regular" user, i really think some of you take things too personally.
some people are forgetting that this is a bargain hunting site - not another offtopic.com. and i can bet theres quite a number of OT posters that never (or very rarely) visit other forums like Hot Deals.

Personally, I'd be happier if all the "whiners" were removed completely. ;)

Seriously, though, I think that the majority of people in OT manage to have civil (if heated) discussions most of the time in most of the threads, and if a thread gets out of hand (or seems likely to get out of hand), don't get up in arms about its closure. While I think I personally could live without the majority of the threads in OT, I do find it fun to debate there, and there are always going to be some threads that genuinely don't fit in any other fourms. I think the vast majority of users don't have any problem with the mods using their discretion, as that's what you were chosen to do. And I don't think we need to be catering to a small minority that cries censorship and bias every time the mods make a call they don't like (no matter how vocal this minority is).

[jerrysiz]

The difference is I'm not on here whining that the mods choose to use discretion rather than a blanket ban on any meaningful discussion. Just because threads are locked that you don't want to see locked doesn't mean the mods have a hidden agenda. It's pretty clear why certain threads are kept open whereas others aren't, and it's usually obvious just by reading the first post. If it's political in nature but the original post isn't flame bait and all other posts remain mostly civil, it will likely be kept open (at least lately). If it's the opposite, then it will be locked quite quickly.


This. All of this.




- I will edit in that the potential fighting would require a whole other mod team.

But until then I think there are other sites that would fill the need of those wanting the dicussions they cannot have here.

Both good points. The mods do let some contentious threads continue, and spend a great deal of time individually deleting specific inappropriate posts in those threads. But this is not a full time job, if a thread is likely to consist of mostly inappropriate, trolling, or flamebait comments that are against forum rules (especially if the OP is designed to illicit these kinds of responses), I see no problem in closing the thread to avoid the discussion going that way in the first place and requiring that level of moderation.

There's always going to be some disagreement over which threads cross this line, but the mods get to make the call. And, like you said, it's not like RFD is designed to be the be all and end all of OT forums. If it's deemed flamebait here, there are numerous other sites where that kind of discussion would be tolerated...heck, comments that would get you summarily banned here would probably make you a hero on some of those other sites (which is just another reason I'm glad RFD tries to enforce some level of civility in its forums). It's not like those that just want a mudslinging, political, free-for-all are lacking in other options.

[Tornado F2]

Tornado F2

It is difficult to talk about a post that was deleted. But I think I remember enough of it.

One poster queried "What bigger problems?" would develop if the child continued to dress as a girl. Then up goes the picture.

It was not posted as a comment on his irritating personality - it was posted because it is swishy. And then you (I think you - correct me if it was someone else here)took the bait and upped it by using unnecessarily vulgar and offensive language.

The post was not deleted because of the opinion, but because of the way the opinion was stated.

Don't let it wreck your weekend.:)

Oh it's not. Unlike jerrysiz (still lurking here I see - at least it keeps him from propagandising schoolkids) I've moved on and am enjoying my Paddy's day and the nice weather.

The Colton picture couldn't help but look the way it did - that's just the way he is, as Survivor viewers well know. There are still several instances of that photo in the other thread BTW. I only used the photo to show Colton. I don't think I ever read whatever comments were attached to it. It did certainly bring the parallels to mind though, which will have been the reason why I used it.

As for "using unnecessarily vulgar and offensive language" that certainly isn't me. I never resort to bad language, even if I injure myself. (Fortunately I can't even recall when that last happened). I did use words like "intolerant", "obnoxious", etc - to describe Colton. And I mentioned how he's attacked blacks, Southerners, little people (Colton used the word "munchkin"), etc. All of which is true. If CSK read it somehow as being an assault on jerrysiz, beyond the fact that there do seem to be similarities, then she should have read it again until she fully comprehended the post. If anybody really took my post to be in some way offensive, how can they possibly not expect me to be offended by jerrysiz's post, especially since it was (and still is) blatantly untrue and unwarranted? Anyway, I "served my time" as they say, and now I realise how much time I'll free up for my other, far more worthwhile, pursuits by just staying out of Off Topic altogether. I'll leave it to the trolls, mods, and Coltons of the world. Sane people are advised to steer well clear. I'm done with it. But I do reserve the right to respond should the coward choose to try attacking me again. At least I know the "h-word" is considered acceptable by the mods, (even though it's not a word I would normally have reason to use), so I should be free to throw it right back next time. They do insist on complete equality, right? So what's good for the goose is good for the gander too. (I'm the gander in that analogy, of course).

[Sauerkraut]

But for the record, just in case it is not entirely clear to anybody, I am NOT a bigot or homophobe…I am a very tolerant and accepting person of people of all races, creeds, and other designations

How could anyone make a claim that you’re a homophobe! It pains me to think of this utter slander, after all of your considerate posts showing your tolerance on the subject.

Like your wonderful critique of Brokeback Mountain and "being homo"…



Yep, not a movie for real men. I got a loaner of it and gave it its chance, just in case it was any good. I think it could have been a good movie if the two male characters had just gone fishing together. But instead, as mentioned in the film, they never even opened up their fishing equipment - they were too buy being homo, despite having wives and children at home. That storyline seemed flawed to me, and I would not want to watch the movie again. Shame, because if the men would have been 'straight' it could have been a decent movie.

And of course being such a jokester, you showed us how accepting you are - by telling your "gay" joke in last year’s pride parade thread...what a side splitter! Sorry I can't post it, since it was removed.

http://forums.redflagdeals.com/will-you-going-gay-pride-parade-weekend-1054761/21/#post13114474



Unless this is corrected soon I'll stop contributing to RFD, including sharing my technical, history, geography, and world-affairs knowledge.

I agree. Your true calling should have been in academia - history to be specific. In honour of today being a national holiday in the Republic of Ireland - La Fheile Padraig - I’m reminded of your beautiful charge that the Irish are British

http://forums.redflagdeals.com/d-s-991694/5/#post12302897

[Tornado F2]

BTW, how many posts has jerrysiz made in this thread over the past 24 hours? How many hours has he spent lurking here, desperate for me to return. I'd tell him to get a life, but I'm really glad that he doesn't have one. :D

Happy Paddy's Day to everybody else. And if anybody really isn't familiar with Colton yet, just watch an episode of Survivor on Wednesday night. Then you'll see.

Or take a look here: http://johnsciacca.webs.com/apps/blog/show/12624482-survivor-one-world-total-dysfunction

(But only if you have a genuine sense of humour).

http://johnsciacca.webs.com/Colton%20in%20the%20swing.JPG

Cheers! :D

[jerrysiz]

BTW, how many posts has jerrysiz made in this thread over the past 24 hours? How many hours has he spent lurking here, desperate for me to return. I'd tell him to get a life, but I'm really glad that he doesn't have one.

How many posts have you made here in the last 24 hours? At least some of mine have been on-topic, despite others that have had to deal with your nonsense. I haven't posted all day (though I see you've been here) as I've been out all day enjoying the festivities, and just got back a couple of hours ago. To be honest, I find your obsession with my whereabouts rather unsettling, as is your interpretation of my participation in this thread as evidence of my "desperation" for you to return...do you generally interpret people repeatedly asking you to go away and leave them alone as being "desperate" for you? If so, I see a restraining order in your future. I'm not "lurking" on here, I'm discussing the topic of the thread, which still has some good discussion despite your continuing attempts to threadcrap and derail it.

And, please keep on with the derailing posts here protesting your being called a homophobe for comments you made in a dead thread if you're as amused as I am to see what other posts from the past other users will unearth in rebuttal. See, if you'd just left well enough alone, the post you have such an issue with would have continued to languish in a thread now on page 3 (and falling) of OT, and all those other comments you made about homosexuals would have remained forgotten by most, but since you continue to bring it up, we're all constantly reminded of just the kind of person you are. Perhaps I really should restore my post to its original form, as I now have even more evidence upon which to base my opinion.

Go. Away. You're adding nothing to this thread and your derailing posts here serve only to increase the number of members who see you as a homophobe, or a threadcrapping troll, or both. You keep saying you're going to leave, so leave.

[Tornado F2]

In anticipation of the heterophobe convention no doubt being called on right now, (all NINE of them, unless you count imaginary friends) here's a website created just for you:

http://www.angelfire.com/sd/mg/heterophobes.html

http://www.webgurus.com/ribbon.cgi?id=28539

http://www.webgurus.com/ribbon.cgi?id=26101

http://www.webgurus.com/ribbon.cgi?id=28544

Amazing what you find on google.

Sticks and stones... :D

Good job I have a sense of humour. Even if it does turn those without one into even bigger haters than they were before. That's their problem, not mine.

[Simaahoy]

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b85/cool_dude100/popcorn.gif

[EmperorOfCanada]

Enough. Oh and before one of you blames the other for getting this thread closed, dont bother. It was both of you.