Elder Abuse

[MrKap]

Brought to you by the Canadian Federal Government


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP0sZB9jRlA


So what do people think of this. Has anyone ever witnessed an elderly person abused in public.

Also, how many are reaching into people pocket books and stealing money from elderly people.

"Elder Abuse" seems to be a new trend and I am very interested in the reasoning as to why the Federal Government has focused their attention on this.

I for instance live with my folks, and they make so much food that I refuse to eat it, sometimes throwing it out, because it is quite simply too much food. This has left them with the impression that it is elder abuse since I do not eat the food. It has obviously made a big impression on people, this whole campaigning on elder abuse.

Your thoughts?

[Agafaba]

Brought to you by the Canadian Federal Government


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP0sZB9jRlA


So what do people think of this. Has anyone ever witnessed an elderly person abused in public.

Also, how many are reaching into people pocket books and stealing money from elderly people.

"Elder Abuse" seems to be a new trend and I am very interested in the reasoning as to why the Federal Government has focused their attention on this.

I for instance live with my folks, and they make so much food that I refuse to eat it, sometimes throwing it out, because it is quite simply too much food. This has left them with the impression that it is elder abuse since I do not eat the food. It has obviously made a big impression on people, this whole campaigning on elder abuse.

Your thoughts?

Maybe you should talk to your parents and discuss what exactly you do that makes them feel you are abusing them? I somehow doubt its just that you dont finish eating all of the food on your plate.

[MrKap]

No, it's because I throw the food out. Nothing more. You know like when you throw a fruitcake out from christmas, you do it so someone else doesn't see. Well you can't do that when you live with the people who are bombarding you with an endless supply of fruitcake equivalent.

That's why I am wondering what the witch hunt is all about. Is elder abuse a real problem in Canada?

[BornRuff]

Please stop trying to troll on issues that are actually important.

Elder abuse is certainly a real thing. Pretty much anyone who's cognitive or physical abilities are lower, and/or are isolated from regular social interactions is a prime target for abuse. People taking advantage of older people financially is way too common, and physical and even sexual abuse is a reality. It can be family members, but often it is caregivers or employees in retirement/nursing homes.

[Agafaba]

No, it's because I throw the food out. Nothing more. You know like when you throw a fruitcake out from christmas, you do it so someone else doesn't see. Well you can't do that when you live with the people who are bombarding you with an endless supply of fruitcake equivalent.

That's why I am wondering what the witch hunt is all about. Is elder abuse a real problem in Canada?

Then maybe you should make it clear to your parents that you are unable to eat all of the food they provide, and they should look into reducing their food output or diverting their supply to different areas to be consumed.

I dont know what you want us to say... your parents are idiots? Its not elder abuse and I really hope you know that.

[MrKap]

Please don't call me a troll. It is a real campaign, and I am looking for the real information on it.

At this point in time, I am concerned that there are no elderly people in the street being physically abused or even yelled at. Nor can I find any evidence of asians reaching into their grandmothers pocket book and stealing money from them.




Then maybe you should make it clear to your parents that you are unable to eat all of the food they provide, and they should look into reducing their food output or diverting their supply to different areas to be consumed.


It's not about me, it's about the trend in this "elder abuse" terminology and the federal governments campaign to promote it.



Even the wiki mentions how there is little to no data on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elder_abuse#Elder_abuse_statistics


There has been a general lack of reliable data in this area and it is often argued that the absence of data is a reflection of the low priority given to work associated with older people. However, over the past decade there has been a growing amount of research into the nature and extent of elder abuse. The research still varies considerably in the definitions being used, who is being asked, and what is being asked. As a result, the statistics used in this area vary considerably.


It's a brand new class of issues according to the wiki. As of 2002 and it's getting push from the World Health Organization It is clearly a large campaign which has not existed prior. Abuse is abuse is abuse.

Elder Abuse, seems to be witch hunt like. To me anyways. It's terminology which can be used to explain my lack of gratitude for accepting an abundance of food gifts. Apparently.

It's not about me however, it's about the campaign and whether or not it's actually justified, or if it's just another witch hunt.

[BornRuff]

Please don't call me a troll. It is a real campaign, and I am looking for the real information on it.

At this point in time, I am concerned that there are no elderly people in the street being physically abused or even yelled at. Nor can I find any evidence of asians reaching into their grandmothers pocket book and stealing money from them.






It's not about me, it's about the trend in this "elder abuse" terminology and the federal governments campaign to promote it.

Just quoting to preserve this gem.

[Piro21]

The boomers are getting old and will be dropping like flies soon. The government suddenly cares because they represent a fair-sized chunk of the population.

[MrKap]

The boomers are getting old and will be dropping like flies soon. The government suddenly cares because they represent a fair-sized chunk of the population.

It's building culture. It's not a grass roots issue. It might not even be a real issue at all. Considering it's coming from the top head honchos all the way down, I'm throwing on my paranoid flag and calling it potentially a deliberate attempt to shape the beliefs of families and cultures.


The commerical actually preys on the fears and insecurities of the elderly. That's my argument. The commercial itself is abusive.

[sandikosh]

The boomers are getting old and will be dropping like flies soon. The government suddenly cares because they represent a fair-sized chunk of the population.

But isn't this good? The seniors are not contributing. They are using up resources that can be better spent on something else.

[MrKap]

Look at the first few seconds of the clip, where the old lady waves her hand in frustration.

That by definition is Elder Abuse according to the Canadian Federal Government.

Witch Hunt.

[macy69]

At this point in time, I am concerned that there are no elderly people in the street being physically abused or even yelled at. Nor can I find any evidence of asians reaching into their grandmothers pocket book and stealing money from them.

Please describe your vast research and evidence gathering techniques?


But isn't this good? The seniors are not contributing. They are using up resources that can be better spent on something else.

Time to put them all on ice floes. I knew there was a reason we needed the Arctic

[MrKap]

That's what I started the thread for.

Is a married couple who have a verbal argument (no yelling, just conversation) with each other abuse? Are asian youths reaching into thier grandmothers pocket books and taking even more after their grandmother gave them money?

The Third one where the husband bruises the older lady is possibly a real issue, but to be honest, elderly people just do not get physically violent the way younger people do. Old people are extremely mellow by comparison.

In the odd case that some elder couple had physical fight in them, then why is it elder abuse? they are both clearly elderly people in the video. It's abuse. Not elder abuse.

So I am asking where this whole campaign is justified. It's ageist, and in at least one case, potentially racist.


Not to mention, who is the person peaking out behind the blinds supposed to be anyways? Is that your stereotypical helpless old person who is neglected and isolated from society?

[Agafaba]

That's what I started the thread for.

Is a married couple who have a verbal argument (no yelling, just conversation) with each other abuse? Are asian youths reaching into thier grandmothers pocket books and taking even more after their grandmother gave them money?

The Third one where the husband bruises the older lady is possibly a real issue, but to be honest, elderly people just do not get physically violent the way younger people do. Old people are extremely mellow by comparison.

In the odd case that some elder couple had physical fight in them, then why is it elder abuse? they are both clearly elderly people in the video. It's abuse. Not elder abuse.

So I am asking where this whole campaign is justified. It's ageist, and in at least one case, potentially racist.


Not to mention, who is the person peaking out behind the blinds supposed to be anyways? Is that your stereotypical helpless old person who is neglected and isolated from society?

Ya what were they thinking using minorities on tv? I thought they knew it was a white only medium.

[MrKap]

Usually multi-cultural commercials are multi-cultural.

The video was Bi-Cultural, and noticeable.

Canadian Federal Government must have the taxes and the census on everybody.

So I am wondering if there are a higher percentage of unemployed asian youths when compared to other cultures. Maybe? Maybe not? Maybe Red Envelopes and the tradition of giving cash gifts to youths is somehow being challenged? Perhaps there are rampant asian youths stealing money from thier grandparents?



Don't think it's not a real witch hunt... I've only just started looking and here it is... Politicians campaigning for tighter sentencing on wives who are frustrated with their elderly equivalents.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1146367--tories-plan-tougher-sentences-for-elder-abuse


OTTAWA—The federal government is set to introduce tougher sentences for those convicted of elder abuse.

The Canadian Press has learned that Justice Minister Rob Nicholson and seniors minister Alice Wong are to announce amendments to the Criminal Code on Thursday in Toronto.


Here's the smoking gun...


But much of it goes under-reported. Statistics Canada said in 2009 that about seven in 10 crimes against older Canadians are not reported to police, mainly because victims didn’t think they needed help.


Maybe because they didn't experience any form of tangible abuse?

Witch Hunt....

http://www.carp.ca/o/pdf/carp%20actiononline%20-%20elder%20abuse%20compendium.pdf


And it can happen to anyone. The recent case of a Moncton
woman convicted and jailed for extreme neglect of her mother
who died as a consequence is heartening only because she was
caught and punished. But before you think that kind of thing
only happens because they were poor and the daughter had
limited intelligence..

Enough said...



Canada is a f'g wasteland of social services... I'd rather see these politicians and social services on welfare and food stamps than screwing up the world even more to be perfectly honest.

[Agafaba]

Usually multi-cultural commercials are multi-cultural.

The video was Bi-Cultural, and noticeable.

Canadian Federal Government must have the taxes and the census on everybody.

So I am wondering if there are a higher percentage of unemployed asian youths when compared to other cultures. Maybe? Maybe not? Maybe Red Envelopes and the tradition of giving cash gifts to youths is somehow being challenged? Perhaps there are rampant asian youths stealing money from thier grandparents?



Don't think it's not a real witch hunt... I've only just started looking and here it is... Politicians campaigning for tighter sentencing on wives who are frustrated with their elderly equivalents.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1146367--tories-plan-tougher-sentences-for-elder-abuse




Here's the smoking gun...




Maybe because they didn't experience any form of tangible abuse?

Witch Hunt....

Hmm let me try...


In 1996, more than two-thirds of rape/sexual assaults committed in the nation remained unreported. (Ringel, C. (1997, November). Criminal Victimization in 1996, Changes 1995-1996 with Trends 1993-1996, NCJ-165812, p.3. Washington, DC: Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice.)

Maybe because they didnt experience any form of tangible abuse?



...nope just doesnt seem to work in every case, or at the very least people would be offended if you claimed that educating individuals about rape was causing a witch hunt.

[MrKap]

Kill Kony!


In any event, what does rape in the USA have to do with a brand new classification and stiffer penalties for mentally challenged, poor, elderly caretakers in Canada?



Anybody out there with half a brain?

Here is a questionaire for elderly abuse statistics collection...


1. Elder abuse can be physical, psychological, financial, sexual or neglect. The important
element is that such treatment occurs when there is an expectation of trust. As an older
adult, have you personally ever experienced ANY of these forms of elder abuse?

Yes - 10.2 % (10.1% loneliness)

2. As an older adult, have you experienced physical abuse, such as beatings or assault?

Yes - 1.3 % (Sort of blows away the first statistic, making the first statistics even more useless than previously.)

3. As an older adult, have you experienced sexual abuse, including unwanted touching or
unwanted explicit sexual language?

Yes - 2.1 % (This happens all the time when an elderly man is paired with a male nurse. Doesn't happen when a male elderly patient is paired with a female nurse. Come on people.)

4. As an older adult, have you experienced psychological or emotional abuse, including
swearing, constant criticism or demeaning language?

100% - Welcome to the Internet

[zz000ter]

But isn't this good? The seniors are not contributing.
They are using up resources that can be better spent on something else.

WTF? Those "resources" belong to the seniors that earned them.
It is those seniors that built this country that you are enjoying.

I can just see you - "Hey grampa - can you give me some money so I can buy some tequila
and party with some skanks.... you are old and gonna die anyways - I am young
let me have your money"

[EmperorOfCanada]

Brought to you by the Canadian Federal Government

So what do people think of this. Has anyone ever witnessed an elderly person abused in public.

Also, how many are reaching into people pocket books and stealing money from elderly people.

"Elder Abuse" seems to be a new trend and I am very interested in the reasoning as to why the Federal Government has focused their attention on this.

I for instance live with my folks, and they make so much food that I refuse to eat it, sometimes throwing it out, because it is quite simply too much food. This has left them with the impression that it is elder abuse since I do not eat the food. It has obviously made a big impression on people, this whole campaigning on elder abuse.

Your thoughts?

Since you asked.. I think you are trolling, however I think there is possibly good discussion to be had from this topic. Keep trolling by bringing race into it and 'Kill Kony' and other flamebait, and I cant promise I will continue to have patience.

I agree the commercial is terrible and gives terrible examples of abuse, but abuse of the elderly is real. It is a real problem that hurts real families.

[MrKap]

Washington DC statistics on Rape is not trolling?

So you agree that an Elderly Lady waving her hands in frustration is Elder Abuse?

These commericals run with federal government approval. Stiffer penlaties have been introduced for longer jail sentences and the best example they could use was a poor and destitute daughter and mother in Moncton B.C. who due to the daughters incompetence died.

So, everyone and thier brother gets jobs campaigning and building a false industry around an issue which is not a significant problem, hogging government funds from the people who really need the money. Like the elderly lady in moncton BC who was so poor she couldn't care for her mother?

Come on...


This is socialist job creation at it's worst.

[EmperorOfCanada]

I agree the commercial is terrible and gives terrible examples of abuse




So you agree that an Elderly Lady waving her hands in frustration is Elder Abuse?


Yes that is almost exactly what I said.

[MrKap]

yes, that's exactly what you said.

I agree the commercial is terrible and gives terrible examples of abuse, but abuse of the elderly is real.


You then went on to express your concern for other families who were inflicted with these problems which (and I will exaggerate), should be eradicated from family environments, and subject to intervention from social services and law makers.

http://www.calgarysun.com/videos/featured/featured-cal/1213592865001/gun-drawn-with-a-crayon/1472276598001


Gun drawn, with a crayon

Charles Adler and Kris Sims break down the ludicrous case of a father who was humiliated for an innocent drawing done by his grade-school aged daughter.


I don't think you have a family to be honest.

[DearSummer]

Grandmother near death after living in garage: police
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20110228/elder-abuse-allegation-110228/#ixzz1pX1maYtM


Toronto police have charged a man and his wife with elder abuse after a 68-year-old woman was found in medical distress in a non-insulated garage, where she had allegedly been housed during the winter.

Senior officers described the case as "disturbing."

"This is one of the worst I have ever seen," Toronto police Det. Sgt. Mike Stones told reporters on Monday, as he described the allegations against the woman's son and daughter-in-law.


Police also allege the woman was not provided with adequate food. Her stomach was empty when she arrived at the hospital, Stones said.

Stones said the woman had been declared legally incompetent in the fall of 2010 and placed under her son's care.

The couple, with a seven-year-old daughter, lived inside the home with two tenants. Two bedrooms sat empty inside the house, one of which had direct access to a bathroom.

The family was originally from mainland China but are now Canadian citizens, Stones said.

On Friday, police arrested Kwong Yan, 43, and Qi Tan, 28, and charged them with failing to provide the necessities of life, as well as criminal negligence causing bodily harm.

This story came to mind after watching that commercial.

[Agafaba]

Washington DC statistics on Rape is not trolling?

Its taking your exact words and applying it to another crime that also goes unreported, showing you how ridiculous your statement is.


Dont take the commercial so literal, Canada is multicultural so they try to put at least one minority into every ad or picture. The video isnt supposed to be the 3 ways that people abuse elderly, its just some vague examples of possible abuse. The elderly do get taken advantage of, its just that usually it happens away from the public view.

[MrKap]

Grandmother near death after living in garage: police
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20110228/elder-abuse-allegation-110228/#ixzz1pX1maYtM





This story came to mind after watching that commercial.

This story came mind as well...

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-09-12/world/uk.slavery.arrests_1_slavery-british-police-british-investigators?_s=PM:WORLD



British investigators were questioning suspects Monday after police rescued 24 men that they said were kept as slaves -- some for as long as 15 years.

Police in Bedfordshire, northwest of London, arrested five suspects under a new anti-slavery law passed last year, alleging that they lured the men to a trailer park with promises of food and shelter, then threatened them with violence and forced them into hard labor.



So DearSummer, if I understand your argument, then people who cannot afford to house their elderly parents in a retirement home should be subject to criminal prosecution because they are poor?


I'd rather see all that money spent on law enforcement, courts, and jobs for elderly abuse evangelists go to retirement homes for elderly people. Why send people to jail for 8+ years for being poor?

Where is the elderly lady now?


From your article.


Stones said the woman had been declared legally incompetent in the fall of 2010 and placed under her son's care.

The couple, with a seven-year-old daughter, lived inside the home with two tenants. Two bedrooms sat empty inside the house, one of which had direct access to a bathroom.

The family was originally from mainland China but are now Canadian citizens, Stones said.

On Friday, police arrested Kwong Yan, 43, and Qi Tan, 28, and charged them with failing to provide the necessities of life, as well as criminal negligence causing bodily harm.


The law makers should be arrested for handing over a mentally incompetent women over to a destitute family without the funds to care for her.

It's backwards. Now these people will go to jail, because they did what they could with what they were dealt and taxpayers will pay at that point.

So backwards.

[Agafaba]

Kill Kony!


In any event, what does rape in the USA have to do with a brand new classification and stiffer penalties for mentally challenged, poor, elderly caretakers in Canada?



Anybody out there with half a brain?

Here is a questionaire for elderly abuse statistics collection...


1. Elder abuse can be physical, psychological, financial, sexual or neglect. The important
element is that such treatment occurs when there is an expectation of trust. As an older
adult, have you personally ever experienced ANY of these forms of elder abuse?

Yes - 10.2 % (10.1% loneliness)

2. As an older adult, have you experienced physical abuse, such as beatings or assault?

Yes - 1.3 % (Sort of blows away the first statistic, making the first statistics even more useless than previously.)

3. As an older adult, have you experienced sexual abuse, including unwanted touching or
unwanted explicit sexual language?

Yes - 2.1 % (This happens all the time when an elderly man is paired with a male nurse. Doesn't happen when a male elderly patient is paired with a female nurse. Come on people.)

4. As an older adult, have you experienced psychological or emotional abuse, including
swearing, constant criticism or demeaning language?

100% - Welcome to the Internet

Please, show us where you figured out that10.1% of elderly consider being lonely as abuse, your reasons why physical abuse statistics make mental/financial abuse or neglect ok, how you figured that most sexual abuse towards elderly are from male nurse, and finally your reasons why you believe that every older person not only has been on the internet, but seems to be a specific target of internet bullies.

[DearSummer]

So DearSummer, if I understand your argument, then people who cannot afford to house their elderly parents in a retirement home should be subject to criminal prosecution because they are poor?


I'd rather see all that money spent on law enforcement, courts, and jobs for elderly abuse evangelists go to retirement homes for elderly people. Why send people to jail for 8+ years for being poor?

Where is the elderly lady now?

I'm not sure how you equate having two empty bedrooms in your house but placing your disabled mother in a garage with no insulation and no food = being poor?

But then again, you're just trolling...

[MrKap]

The picture of the house is of a small condo in scarborough. It's not even a house.

There were 5 people living in it, and they built a custom suite in the back out of a garage for someone who might as well have been on life support. What good is bathroom access if you are too incompetent to use it?

It's the lawmakers fault. They should be arrested for criminal negligence.



Please, show us where you figured out that10.1% of elderly consider being lonely as abuse, your reasons why physical abuse statistics make mental/financial abuse or neglect ok, how you figured that most sexual abuse towards elderly are from male nurse, and finally your reasons why you believe that every older person not only has been on the internet, but seems to be a specific target of internet bullies.

It's from the link earlier... there is sarcasm in the comments.



Grandmother near death after living in garage: police

She was legally incompetent. How close to death does she have to be?

It's the law makers for giving a lifeless body over to someone who doesn't have the proper medical training or finances to care for someone.

Anyone else has to go to school for how many years to become a nurse to care for the incompetent? But now the courts can hand a practically dead body over to anyone and then charge them with negligence when they don't meet their standards?



In any event, that's a little besides the point. The terminology elder abuse is all encompassing to mean anything from an elderly woman brushing off her husband, to an asian kid reaching into a grandmothers pocket book, to an elderly couple having a minor physical scuffle.

These are not instances of real abuse which needs funds dedicated to prevention and enforcement services. The only real cases of elder abuse is nelgect as evidenced as the extreme examples.

It's a witch hunt first, and it's a mis-allocation of focus second.

The short comings are in the health care system for elderly, and the dangerous part is coaxing elderly people who are probably suffering from dementia anyways to explain their experiences of abuse. The whole concept of campaigning against elder abuse is borderline family abuse.


I will enjoy the day I go to jail because I refuse to eat every single fruit cake an elderly person gives me.

[Agafaba]

The kid stealing money was abuse, the other two were implying that its a consistent thing.

For someone who likes to take the videos literally you seem to be really worried about not eating your parents food.

[MrKap]

It's a public service announcement. It is supposed to be taken literally.



The kid stealing money was abuse, the other two were implying that its a consistent thing.

I'm trying to suggest there is no asian teenager elderly abuse epidemic.


Also, it's not abuse. It's theft. There are already legal definitions for these things, and I do no appreciate the federal government campaigning for a whole new class of criminal charges, which are sort of like the old ones, but not really because they are so poorly defined, and then politicians campaigning for harder sentencing.

Plain and simple.


Maybe your elderly parents, whoever they might be, suffer from dementia. Then one day lock you away for 8 years because you traded them 4 quarters for a Loonie. Maybe they draw a picture of you holding a gun with a crayon?

Maybe it's just racist and a deliberate attempt to attack the insecurities of the elderly. They don't need that sort of abuse.

[Agafaba]

It's a public service announcement. It is supposed to be taken literally.




I'm trying to suggest there is no asian teenager elderly abuse epidemic.


Also, it's not abuse. It's theft.

Would you consider someone who steals money from their grandparents as abusing the family relationship for monetary gain?

[MrKap]

I don't really care if scumbags hang around a hospital deathbed and pray for a handout. It's not illegal.


I don't care if some asian kid trades 4 quarters for a Loonie. I don't care if some older lady brushes off her husband. And I am not vigilant to see a elderly couple separated for their remaining years because one day out of a blue moon he grabs her too hard.




If someone steals money. It's theft. It's not elder abuse.

If someone physically abuses another, it's assault. It's not elder abuse.

If someone ignores someone because they are frustrated. It's not illegal.

The commercial and the whole campaign as far as I can tell is a crock of s##t



The obvious problem is the lack of care for elderly people. You won't see a commercial about more funding to elderly retirement homes, and the nasty conditions they live in otherwise, because it's a witch hunt campaign to criminalize the entire population. It has nothing to do with the welfare of the elderly.

[Agafaba]

I don't really care if scumbags hang around a hospital deathbed and pray for a handout. It's not illegal.


I don't care if some asian kid trades 4 quarters for a Loonie. I don't care if some older lady brushes off her husband. And I am not vigilant to see a elderly couple separated for their remaining years because one day out of a blue moon he grabs her too hard.




If someone steals money. It's theft. It's not elder abuse.

If someone physically abuses another, it's assault. It's not elder abuse.

If someone ignores someone because they are frustrated. It's not illegal.

The commercial and the whole campaign as far as I can tell is a crock of s##t



The obvious problem is the lack of care for elderly people. You won't see a commercial about more funding to elderly retirement homes, and the nasty conditions they live in otherwise, because it's a witch hunt campaign to criminalize the entire population. It has nothing to do with the welfare of the elderly.

So your arguing that elder abuse doesnt exist period? I would suppose you would then recommend they try to educate others about how the laws still apply to elderly people despite their age?

[MrKap]

That's not what I said.... I said the Federal Government is on a Witch Hunt.

******

[Agafaba]

That's not what I said.... I said the Federal Government is on a Witch Hunt.

[****** removed]

What is this I dont even...

Ok, so what do you suppose the government will do once they have convicted everyone of elder abuse for not eating enough food?

[MrKap]

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/1068107--elder-abuse-not-what-it-seems


Last February, Jindeng Feng, 68, was found unconscious and suffering from frostbite in the garage of her son’s east-end home.

Kwong Yan, 43, and his wife, Qi Tan, 28, were charged with failing to provide the necessities of life and criminal negligence causing bodily harm.

It was alleged the couple — who have a 6-year-old daughter — had left Feng living in squalor in their unheated garage.

On Tuesday, Crown Attorney Tony Loparco told the Ontario Court of Justice in Scarborough all was not what it seemed.

Photos of a bruised Feng suggested she had been “badly mistreated.” But the discolouration had nothing to do with her son and was the result of acupuncture, Loparco said.


http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1088821--elder-abuse-a-hidden-crime-mps-say



It urges Ottawa to establish a new office dedicated to combating elder abuse and suggests funding to better research the reasons behind the problem.

It also recommends legal services for low income seniors and emergency shelters to provide safe, short-term refuge.

It also suggests that the courts aren’t taking the problem seriously as it urges a “shift in perception” within the legal system. Rarely are abuse cases successfully prosecuted and when they are, “token” penalties are handed out.

“It is essential that Canada comes to the point where violence and abuse against elderly persons is no longer tolerated even tacitly,” it says.

In addition to the work on elder abuse, the group also made detailed recommendations on palliative care and suicide prevention.




Ok, so what do you suppose the government will do once they have convicted everyone of elder abuse for not eating enough food?

I don't know, maybe we can ask the pope for enlightenment?

[Agafaba]

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/1068107--elder-abuse-not-what-it-seems




http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1088821--elder-abuse-a-hidden-crime-mps-say








I don't know, maybe we can ask the pope for enlightenment?

So you believe that the government is planning on finding new sources of revenue to pay for the elderly through clogging our legal system and dramatically increasing the hours of expensive court employees?

[MrKap]

Yes. Look what they are calling for specifically.

temporary care, suicide prevention, government special units in Ottawa.

There is nothing about this which improves healthcare for the elderly.

Wake up man.



"Uttering Threats"

(Let's not forget this can range from anything from, brush your teeth or I'll put a sock in your mouth, to, I'm going to kill you while you sleep!)

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/caretaker-charged-with-elder-abuse-in-bc-housing-facility/article2362323/


Joe Doucet, who was hired as Beaverview Lodge’s caretaker and maintenance manager in 2008, has been charged with uttering threats, intimidation and criminal harassment.


What used to be reason for dismissal is now a criminal charge. With stiffer penalties.


The investigation in McBride began last May, when one of Beaverview Lodge’s residents met with police. The lodge is home to low-income seniors, as well as people with mental and physical disabilities. BC Housing is the provincial Crown agency that manages a range of subsidized housing options.


Mentally ill people against you.

It's a witch hunt.


A 10 Month (a few hundred thousand dollars at least, come on... it's the RCMP and Elder Abuse.)

http://www.cknw.com/Channels/Reg/NewsLocal/Story.aspx?ID=1666277


A ten month elder abuse investigation has resulted in criminal charges against the care taker of a BC housing facility in Mcbride.



Someone will have to explain to me why a son, using the law to get money from his deceased father is a crime.

http://www.orangeville.com/news/local/article/1292814--elder-abuse-investigation-leads-to-charges


A Guelph man is facing several elder abuse related charges after allegedly stealing more than $15,000 from his father.
Police began investigating elder abuse allegations on Dec. 14, after receiving a tip that a Shelburne man’s son was using power of attorney to syphon funds from his father’s bank account during a two-year period. The elder abuse victim died during the course of the investigation.
Charges of theft, misappropriation of money held under direction, and criminal breach of trust have been laid.


I'll bet the money was going to funeral services!

This is the only one that could be potentially real, and she was fired. That's the way it should be. Still I have to think somewhere that maybe it's not an issue due to the recent rise, and crackdown on elder abuse, which is plaguing Canadian elderly across the entire country. Arrested weeks later for an assault charge is still crazy!!

http://www.northumberlandtoday.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=3246389&archive=true


NORTHUMBERLAND - COBOURG - In January of this year, Cobourg Police received a complaint from a local long-term care facility in Cobourg, that a resident had been assaulted by a personal support worker at the facility.

Police became involved after authorities at the home had conducted an investigation and determined that an assault had occurred.

The police investigation has resulted in the arrest of a 56-year-old Cobourg woman. She has been charged with assault and is presently before the court. She has also been terminated by her employer.


This one is real. It's obvious this is real. The federal government should be ashamed of themselves for running witch hunt campaigns.

http://www.chathamthisweek.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?archive=true&e=1927801


A Tilbury couple is facing charges of theft by person with power of attorney and criminal breach of trust, after allegedly extorting nearly $110,000 from an elderly woman living at Riverview Gardens in Chatham.

The co-accused -- both in their 50s -- were arrested on Dec. 20. Deputy Chief Dennis Poole wouldn?t confirm the nature of the trio?s relationship, but did say the elderly woman is not a blood relative.



Right here... Here's the Witch hunt. Honestly there isn't much out there on the internet which doesn't reek of witch hunting.

http://www.carp.ca/2009/07/16/man-faces-elder-abuse-charges-first-mother-then-sister-found-malnourished/


Many of Andrew Jones’s neighbours thought he lived alone in Lawrence Heights – until Tuesday, when paramedics used a blanket to carry his emaciated sister out of his townhouse.

The 60-year-old woman hadn’t eaten in days, police said, and she had been living in a room infested with cockroaches. Almost three months ago, Jones’s malnourished 95-year-old mother was removed from the same room.

“The conditions they were living in were absolutely repulsive,” said Det. Const. Kathy Washington. “It was probably the most horrifying thing I’ve gone through in my career.”

Jones, 55, was arrested at his Amaranth Crt. home Tuesday and charged with two counts of criminal negligence causing bodily harm and two counts of failing to provide the necessities of life.

Outside a North York courthouse yesterday, where Jones was granted bail, he walked to a friend’s car while covering his face with a police pamphlet.

“(I’m) totally innocent. They were homeless, I tried to help them,” he said.


Kathy Washington probably thinks it's the worse thing she has ever seen in her career because her stuff don't stink and the rest of the world is collecting fat government paychecks to crack down on loose cannon charity organizations.


More temporary shelters, more Ottawa special units, and more suicide prevention strategies. That should fix this elder abuse problem. (That's sarcasm for those who lack common sense)

To quote someone raking in 6 figures from taxpayers money.

“shift in perception” - To paraphrase, we don't know what it's like to be poor so lets allocate more funds to more rich people and ignore the poor. Throw them in jail if we can, because we don't have the slightest clue how to eradicate poverty, create jobs, and better infrastructure for the people who pay us 6 figure salaries.

Maybe if we make a few more commercials to raise awareness we can build a real demand for more fake Ottawa offices and even more economically stagnant public bloat.




So I look up this Lawrence Heights place where the emaciated sister and the old ladies were taken from and it's a public housing unit. These people are rock bottom poor. They are not criminals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Heights


Lawrence Heights was the first large public housing project built by Metropolitan Toronto outside of the then-City of Toronto. By 1955, 100 acres (40 ha) had been assembled by Metro. The project would have approximately 6,000 residents in 1,081 family units at a density of 12 families per acre, the largest public housing project to that date in Canada. When the project was announced, it sparked a strong opposition from the then North York Township. Citizens and elected officials threatened legal action to block the development. A compromise was worked out between Metro and North York whereby some of the units would be rented at market rates so that the project would not be exclusively very poor families.[1]

[D-Roc]

While talking about this topic is important, With the amount of obvious trolling be done it is pointless. I am surprised this hasn't been locked yet, when my post of a face palm icon was deleted in another thread responding to another members comment. I did not know face palms were against the rules for posting and obvious trolling isn't.

[MrKap]

Abuse, Law Enforcement, Poverty and Witch Hunts is not trolling. It's a real issue.

The term Elder Abuse didn't exist a few years ago. Now it's everywhere, and there is almost nothing in the news reports which vindicates it all.

It's not a lack of awareness. It's focusing on the wrong issues.


If I didn't happen to walk by a TV set to see the advertisement playing I wouldn't think it's an issue. These commercials however are played on TV. The Government and Law Enforcement officials are paying it extra close attention. They are criminalizing the poor.



Did anyone see anyone except the Star try to decriminalize that poor asian couple? No.... It's also potentially racist.


So maybe Global Picked it up... http://www.globaltoronto.com/pages/story.aspx?id=6442499830

So you can't accuse them of baseless sensationalism and pandering with no follow ups like a good majority of reports which have jumped on the Elder Abuse craze.

jmo...

It's not trolling. I mean anything with the terms "Elder Abuse" in the title from a news organization with sketchy details, is definitely trolling.



Real... (This was entirely legal, maybe minus a mailing address or two. Not entirely sure. It's questionable if a crime could always exist in those circumstances. I mean that.)

http://www.montrealgazette.com/life/gets+house+arrest+ripping+elderly+uncle/5770670/story.html

Fake... (This crime technically illegal.)

http://www.ipolitics.ca/2012/01/20/sexual-abuse-in-new-brunswick-seniors-home-sign-of-neglected-problem-experts/


It's a total witch hunt. jmo...



If it wasn't a witch hunt, they would do more than create harsher penalities for crimes which may or may not exist.

They'd do something like freeze the funds of someone once someone is declared mentally ill. Ect...

That's not what is happening though. The poor are being criminalized.

[D-Roc]

They are serious issues, but yes it is trolling when you repeatedly bring up ethnicity, religion and politics on a topic where it can be discussed without it. You are reading too much into these commercials and I think you may want to take the tin foil hat off as I thing it is a bit tight.

Elder abuse is not new. I have seen that commercial several years ago and it was also in the news many, many years ago. Abuse of seniors in old age homes.

There is no witch hunt. No one is focusing on the poor except for you. Abuse of seniors can happen regardless of financial situation.

[MrKap]

Yes you're right, I probably shouldn't have brought up the bi-culturalism. It does seem honestly shady to me though.

The rest of it is totally legitimate. It is a cultural message, a public service announcement and it is designed to get elderly people to speak up.

Unfortunately it does nothing to educate elderly, or advance their welfare, it confuses the real potential abuse issues and it seems like a genuine witch hunt.

All the items I could find I have posted.

Two of the examples are people who didn't have more money for the situation to care for elderly. The rest are highly questionable with the exception of the uncle example. Even then, he might have had to relocate to another place to work.

The one which required 10 month investigation? I have to wonder if any crimes were committed at all, but instead it took 10 months to find something to pin on someone. "Uttering Threats". That could mean just about anything after ten months of investigation.


Anyone else would get potentially offended if McDonalds or Burger King ran a weird ad on Kony 2012. So why is the Federal Canadian Government not accountable for the cultural messages it sends to the general public?


I'll be entirely fair. Maybe it's the World Health Organization asking for support and the commercial was half baked with absolutely no thought put into it whatsoever.

So why should people, especially the WHO be advocating for the public service announcements for issues it doesn't even have a clear message on?

It's like we are hunting communists down. Only it's not quite as big as some other witch hunts. That's what it seems to be to me.

[D-Roc]

Is it a PSA? Yes, but it is not a culture message nor is the message directed towards the elderly. There is no witch hunt. Investigations take time and when things can be proven, charges are laid.

One of those examples you used had nothing to do with not having money to cake for the elderly. If they had unoccupied rooms, but then decided to put the woman in a garage to live, it had nothing to do with money. It is pretty pathetic that you are trying to excuse what they did.

Not sure what your second example is, but I suspect it is the same thing.

[MrKap]

Is it a PSA? Yes, but it is not a culture message nor is the message directed towards the elderly. There is no witch hunt. Investigations take time and when things can be proven, charges are laid.

One of those examples you used had nothing to do with not having money to cake for the elderly. If they had unoccupied rooms, but then decided to put the woman in a garage to live, it had nothing to do with money. It is pretty pathetic that you are trying to excuse what they did.

Not sure what your second example is, but I suspect it is the same thing.

It is directed specifically at the elderly. It is a PSA about elder abuse and Canadians.

The Crown excused what they did and dropped the charges.

Now you are trolling.

[D-Roc]

It is directed specifically at the elderly. It is a PSA about elder abuse and Canadians.

The Crown excused what they did and dropped the charges.

Now you are trolling.


It is a PSA about elder abuse to encourage people to report it when they see it happening. Not towards the elderly specifically.

neglect charges were dropped. He was still given an 8 month sentence for not providing the necessities of life. Which is, in that case, also elder abuse. You are the only one trolling.

[macy69]

It is a PSA about elder abuse to encourage people to report it when they see it happening. Not towards the elderly specifically.

neglect charges were dropped. He was still given an 8 month sentence for not providing the necessities of life. Which is, in that case, also elder abuse. You are the only one trolling.

If you think he's trolling (which he is, BTW) why do you continue to respond? You should have stopped about 3 posts ago

[D-Roc]

If you think he's trolling (which he is, BTW) why do you continue to respond? You should have stopped about 3 posts ago

Not sure..lol


And the mods know he is trolling, yet they let him continue.:|

[MrKap]

Let's hope I never see you with your grandma.


Of course it's targeted at seniors. You are just picking fights and trolling. I have done nothing except provide an abundance of information and discussion material to have you troll all over the thread. Seriously.

What's your argument again? It's not a PSA? There are no asians in it? What exactly are you trying to say?

That I am defending a couple who was arrested on elder abuse charges. Yes... I am.



He was still given an 8 month sentence for not providing the necessities of life

If you aren't going to watch, read or attempt to participate, don't troll. It's not a chat room. It's a thread.


He got a 12 month probation. Charges were dropped.

The other guy who lives in the public housing. I don't know what happened to him, but I'll bet you he's in jail. Probably for giving some drugged out homeless person a place to live.

[D-Roc]

Let's hope I never see you with your grandma.


Of course it's targeted at seniors. You are just picking fights and trolling. I have done nothing except provide an abundance of information and discussion material to have you troll all over the thread. Seriously.

What's your argument again? It's not a PSA? There are no asians in it? What exactly are you trying to say?

That I am defending a couple who was arrested on elder abuse charges. Yes... I am.

:|:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lo l::lol::|

[zz000ter]

So DearSummer, if I understand your argument, then people who cannot afford to house their elderly parents in a retirement home should be subject to criminal prosecution because they are poor?

The law makers should be arrested for handing over a mentally incompetent women over to a destitute family without the funds to care for her.

It's backwards. Now these people will go to jail, because they did what they could with what they were dealt and taxpayers will pay at that point.

Did you not read the article?
There were two empty bedrooms in the house and one had direct access to a bathroom

I don't think that they were destitute if they had such a large house and two tenants.

I truly hope that one day your children and grandchildren treat you that way you deserve to be treated.

[MrKap]

You have to read the follow up article to understand the rest.

In any event, yes... I have read all the articles. I am not just posting random stuff.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/1068107--elder-abuse-not-what-it-seems


Feng’s health continued to deteriorate and by the fall of 2010 she was essentially immobile and needed a wheelchair.

“Feng could no longer physically care for herself,” and was unable to control her bowel and bladder, Loparco told court. She was “embarrassed by her condition and did not want her granddaughter seeing her in such a state.”

Yan and his wife struggled to carry Feng to the home’s second floor to bathe. Feng asked to be sent back to China.

But Yan would have been heartbroken so he offered to build her a room in the garage where she could stay “out of observance of family,” defence lawyer Jack Pinkofsky explained.

“Kwong Yan made every attempt to provide a room that would be heated and comfortable,” the veteran lawyer said.

Yan used drywall to construct the room, eight feet wide, eight feet long and eight feet high, which had a ceiling with an exhaust and overhead light fixture. There was also a single bed, portable toilet, a radio and standing lamp.

The room was heated by a 4.5 inch diameter duct from the home’s furnace. Yan also opened a second hole in the house side wall in the event the duct did not provide enough heat.

The room was directly accessible to the home’s basement apartment.

Feng moved in to the room last December. Last Feb. 23, Yan couldn’t rouse his mother in the morning and called 911.

Feng was rushed to hospital and listed in critical condition with severe hypothermia, with a body temperature of 25.2C compared to the normal 36.7C. Police conducting tests in the makeshift bedroom recorded a temperature of 3.6C, though the garage door had been opened that day to accommodate emergency crews.

Justice Timothy Lipson described the case as one of a “mother long revered by her son who did the best to make her comfortable despite her frailties and medical problems but on one isolated occasion failed to provide the necessities of life.”

He agreed to a joint position that Yan receive an eight-month jail sentence. He had no criminal record.

Yan “has to bear the guilt of what happened. . . . No jail sentence can come close to that,” Lipson said.

Feng recovered from the hypothermia but is no longer able to make her own personal care decisions due to dementia. She lives in a nursing home in Scarborough, Loparco said.

The Crown withdrew the charges against Tan.

A small group of supporters whisked Yan to a waiting car Tuesday night.

He remains on probation for 12 months.


If it helps, the place was occupied with 5 people, two were tenants, which leaves the other two rooms as a vacancy perhaps? What good is a bathroom which is accessible to someone who is legally incompetent, incontinent, and bound to a wheel chair?



I don't think that they were destitute if they had such a large house and two tenants.

They didn't have enough money to build a better shack which would have met the scrutiny of the elder abuse patrol. Right?

The other one which is public housing is clearly a poverty issue and nothing but. You are probably right. Money being an issue is debatable in the one with the renovated garage.



I truly hope that one day your children and grandchildren treat you that way you deserve to be treated.

***

And if I am released to be cared for by someone, I hope the police don't come along and arrest them for their efforts, after I lose the ability to consciously hold together a meaningful sentence.

[mysticalinfluence]

Nor can I find any evidence of asians reaching into their grandmothers pocket book and stealing money from them.

Me either I can only find evidence of them locking them into a garage with a heater in extreme cold temperatures with a bucket to go to the bathroom in. Then stealing all there money from them.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toronto/article1923491.ece

[zz000ter]

The Crown excused what they did and dropped the charges.
Now you are trolling.

Do you know how to read - or do you eve read articles?

Feng's son Kwan Yan, 43, and his wife Qi Tan, 28, were charged with failing to provide the necessities of life and criminal negligence causing bodily harm.
Yan pleaded guilty Tuesday failing to provide the necessities of life.
The Crown however, withdrew the criminal negligence charges after it was revealed that Feng's bruises had nothing to do with abuse. Instead, they were side effects of acupuncture treatments.
Yan will receive an 8-month jail sentence.

[MrKap]

Me either I can only find evidence of them locking them into a garage with a heater in extreme cold temperatures with a bucket to go to the bathroom in. Then stealing all there money from them.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toronto/article1923491.ece

Yeah it's actually pretty funny how different perspectives from different publications approach it. (You can just imagine what the parking lot looks like at the star :) ) I still cannot call judge an jury on it. Especially if the old lady was really flown all the way from China to live the remaining years of her life with the family, for better or worse. The Globe and Mail claims the room was a few degrees above zero. She would have been dead living in those conditions. They are playing an angle for sure. The star does mention the temperature of the room was estimated after the front garage doors where opened up for ambulance crews.

What? nobody has lived in a crap hole before? I have, for a good portion of my life at least.



This is the one that really upsets me.

http://www.carp.ca/2009/07/16/man-faces-elder-abuse-charges-first-mother-then-sister-found-malnourished/


Many of Andrew Jones’s neighbours thought he lived alone in Lawrence Heights – until Tuesday, when paramedics used a blanket to carry his emaciated sister out of his townhouse.

The 60-year-old woman hadn’t eaten in days, police said, and she had been living in a room infested with cockroaches. Almost three months ago, Jones’s malnourished 95-year-old mother was removed from the same room.

“(I’m) totally innocent. They were homeless, I tried to help them,” he said.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Heights


Lawrence Heights was the first large public housing project built by Metropolitan Toronto outside of the then-City of Toronto. By 1955, 100 acres (40 ha) had been assembled by Metro. The project would have approximately 6,000 residents in 1,081 family units at a density of 12 families per acre, the largest public housing project to that date in Canada.

The guy who has a malnourished sister, and mother, gives a homeless person a place to live. A public housing unit no less, and it's infested with cockroaches and somehow his fault for keeping someone off the street when probably nobody else would.

He is no criminal. The public housing people are criminals.

[zz000ter]

MrKap - can you tell us what your opinion is pertaining the concept of CHILD ABUSE?

To my understanding, child abuse is not a law - people that abuse children get charged with the standard crimes such as assault, etc.

[MrKap]

I don't know a lot about it other than there has been a lot of hype over obesity which some consider it child abuse. I thought they were separate laws, but I was under the impression that the removal of the child from the premises is where it ended. Any other crime the parent might have committed would be used to determine whether they were fit to keep the child or not.

So someone living in a crap hole, wouldn't be charged with child abuse, but instead would simply have the child taken away from them. I don't know if that is accurate or not.

I thought child abuse was the exact same thing as assault (not spanking though), only it is categorized by age.

[zz000ter]

MrKap - you did not answer my question.
I am asking about CHILD ABUSE in general.
What are your thoughts on the concept of CHILD ABUSE?

[MrKap]

I just gave them to you. I don't think it's any of my business how other people raise thier children. If they think corporal punishment is best, so long as no bruises or broken bones happen, I can turn a blind eye. If the child is in serious distress and being beaten out of anger, well I think there is a problem with that sort of abuse.

Whether or not the parent is a stellar cook or not, or eats a lot junk food, that's really grey area, and it would be reasonably difficult to charge someone with child abuse, especially if I perceived them as meaning well, but obviously not providing the right kind of foods.

I don't know what else to say about it other than if a parent was extremely poor and had to go to the foodbank, or salvation army for clothing and live out of a car, it's not reasonable grounds to charge them with abuse.

What else do you want to know?


Yan will receive an 8-month jail sentence.


The Crown withdrew the charges against Tan.

A small group of supporters whisked Yan to a waiting car Tuesday night.

He remains on probation for 12 months.

Like the king wears a Crown. Probation is not a jail term.

[zz000ter]

Child abuse is an umbrella term for crimes committed against children.
The operative word is CRIMES

How would you feel if someone forced their child to live in a cold garage during the winter?
What should be done to the parents and to the child?

Do you think that the term "Child Abuse" should even exist?
Do you think that extra efforts should be made to combat crimes against children (child abuse)?
Do you think that extra care should be taken to ensure that parents take proper care of their children?

[MrKap]

Let me ask you Zooter. Do you think there should be such things as "Female Abuse"

How about seperate laws for "Male Abuse"

What about "Animal Abuse"

What about "Employee Abuse"

What about "Spousal Abuse"

What about "Internet Bullying"

What about a Federal PSA witch hunt campaign to crackdown on a whole new branch of abuses which don't really exist at all.

[Agafaba]

What about "Animal Abuse"


So, do you think that animals should have the same laws applied to them as humans, or do you believe that they shouldnt be protected in any way?

[MrKap]

I think it's strange that someone can go to jail for not caring for a dog properly.

Yet, someone who might not care for a child or an adult properly would get a potentially lesser penalty.

Yes... I just do not seem to agree with the politically correct and overly empathetic state controlled welfare system.




I don't really trust complete and total strangers to make judgement calls on the relationships people have with their families or their pets.

A million chickens can be slaughtered inhumanely for food... but a dog, kept in the backyard is somehow abusive and deserves a jail sentence?

Come on... I think they should close the doors to the Universities for a few years to give it a few decades for people to calm down on it all. Just long enough for everyone to come back to reality.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2011/06/01/man-raccoons-backyard-shovel659.html


Toronto police have arrested a man whose neighbour alleges was trying to kill baby raccoons in his backyard with a shovel.

CBC Documentary: Raccoon Nation
Click here to watch The Nature of Things documentary Raccoon Nation, which explores the growing conflict between people and raccoons in urban areas.

Police were called shortly after 6 a.m. Wednesday by a neighbour on Rankin Crescent, near Symington Avenue and Bloor Street West just west of downtown Toronto.

The neighbour alleged the man used a shovel to repeatedly hit what appeared to be family of raccoons, Const. Victor Kwong said.

"It's alleged now that this man was striking the baby raccoons while the mother raccoon — we assume it is the mother raccoon — was sitting there watching and trying to go in every second to scoop them out one by one," he said.

Dong Nguyen, 53, has been charged with cruelty to animals and possessing a dangerous weapon.

[EmperorOfCanada]

While talking about this topic is important, With the amount of obvious trolling be done it is pointless. I am surprised this hasn't been locked yet, when my post of a face palm icon was deleted in another thread responding to another members comment. I did not know face palms were against the rules for posting and obvious trolling isn't.

*looks up at the time of your post*

We do sleep sometimes you know. :|

We often get accused of closing threads too quickly, I am giving this one a chance. If anything is posted that wanders into flamebait territory or breaks the rules, report it. No need to close this thread unless it gets out of control. It is an important topic.

[thrifthunter]

I think it's strange that someone can go to jail for not caring for a dog properly.

What is stranger is that these scumbag people even have a dog to begin with. It seems they own the dog for no other reason than to torture it, and in those cases jail absolutely is where they belong.

[Agafaba]

I think it's strange that someone can go to jail for not caring for a dog properly.

Yet, someone who might not care for a child or an adult properly would get a potentially lesser penalty.

Yes... I just do not seem to agree with the politically correct and overly empathetic state controlled welfare system.




I don't really trust complete and total strangers to make judgement calls on the relationships people have with their families or their pets.

A million chickens can be slaughtered inhumanely for food... but a dog, kept in the backyard is somehow abusive and deserves a jail sentence?

Come on... I think they should close the doors to the Universities for a few years to give it a few decades for people to calm down on it all. Just long enough for everyone to come back to reality.


I get the feeling you dont believe people should be punished at all for "minor crimes", am I correct in this assumption?

[MrKap]

No... I think more people are going to jail for crimes which are not crimes at all, but instead coward like community activists who are more interested in self righteous police action than community involvement, who are locking people up because they need to save the racoons. Or because they think what someone else is doing is mysteriously evil.

It's nobody's problem if they have to deal with it.

But it's everybodies problem when the police are a 911 away.



I think everyone is completely mad to be entirely honest.

The justice system is a farce because your neighbour or police officer can pick and choose from a list of criminal charges which are larger and more varied now than they were a few short years ago.

It's becoming impossible for some 54 year old gardner to kill giant rodents in his backyard without anyone helping him at all, but instead treating him like a death row murderer for the police to come and take him away. Instead of calling the humane society people call the police.

I think the police should stop answering the phone for a few years.

The exact same problem can be seen in the emergency rooms of hospitals. Where people line up for hours to have cut or a scraped looked at.

The whole system is being abused, and decent people are being criminalized because the general public now has the option to cart people off to jail for crimes which never existed a few years ago.

Can't wait for my first few months in jail for internet bullying. Should be easy for anyone to prove, so long as I call someone a troll. That's an abusive psychological term which deserves jail time right? It will be eventually at the rate things are going.

[macy69]

*looks up at the time of your post*

We do sleep sometimes you know. :|

We often get accused of closing threads too quickly, I am giving this one a chance. If anything is posted that wanders into flamebait territory or breaks the rules, report it. No need to close this thread unless it gets out of control. It is an important topic.

Seriously? A post that includes the comment "You are so catholic I can smell it a mile away" has certainly wandered into something. Now I'm not Catholic, but I would call that religious baiting.

[MrKap]

See you later... fun talking to a bunch of cops...

[EmperorOfCanada]

Seriously? A post that includes the comment "You are so catholic I can smell it a mile away" has certainly wandered into something. Now I'm not Catholic, but I would call that religious baiting.

Neither you, nor anyone else reported that. Thank you for pointing it out.

[Agafaba]

No... I think more people are going to jail for crimes which are not crimes at all, but instead coward like community activists who are more interested in self righteous police action than community involvement, who are locking people up because they need to save the racoons. Or because they think what someone else is doing is mysteriously evil.

It's nobody's problem if they have to deal with it.

But it's everybodies problem when the police are a 911 away.



I think everyone is completely mad to be entirely honest.

The justice system is a farce because your neighbour or police officer can pick and choose from a list of criminal charges which are larger and more varied now than they were a few short years ago.

It's becoming impossible for some 54 year old gardner to kill giant rodents in his backyard without anyone helping him at all, but instead treating him like a death row murderer for the police to come and take him away. Instead of calling the humane society people call the police.

I think the police should stop answering the phone for a few years.

The exact same problem can be seen in the emergency rooms of hospitals. Where people line up for hours to have cut or a scraped looked at.

The whole system is being abused, and decent people are being criminalized because the general public now has the option to cart people off to jail for crimes which never existed a few years ago.

Can't wait for my first few months in jail for internet bullying. Should be easy for anyone to prove, so long as I call someone a troll. That's an abusive psychological term which deserves jail time right? It will be eventually at the rate things are going.

So thats a very long drawn out yes.


It's obvious they are Catholic. It's not baiting. It's being able to understand the ground on which they're walking.


In any event, the PSA is a call to action, for the community to pick up the phone and start reporting elder abuse.

Specifically, wives who brush off thier husbands, kids who trade 4 quarters for a loony and any public displays of grabbing which might lead to a bruise.

I'll be honest, I've seen some parents nearly tear the limbs off thier mis-behaving children, and it's not really comparable to an elderly couple fighting it out, but neither one of them is my business.

None of the examples in the commercial are my business at all.


Huslters emptying bank accounts for hundreds of thousands of dollars. That a crime. People hitting a human being over the head with a shovel. That's a crime.


Elder abuse, is just a brand new set of laws so people can criminalize even more of the population with bogus stuff nobody has any clue about.

I suppose you could say my family christian of some sort, I dont know what particular version so its possible your 1/2 right. Myself I tend to believe that god is as real as Darth Vader is, although its interesting to learn that I apparently dont act like it.

As for your theft comment... so hundreds of thousands of dollars is a crime, but stealing a smaller amount from older relatives isnt? At what monetary level does theft become a crime?

Actually I would also like to know where you get this whole 4 quarters for a loonie thing too... this is Canada, the lowest denomination of bills possible is $5, and it shows the kid stealing a minimum of $10 himself. (thats not including the $10 she gave willingly)

[Agafaba]

As for a post actually discussing the issue, this is the government link
Elder abuse (http://www.seniors.gc.ca/c.4nt.2nt3c.4l@.jsp?lang=eng&cid=161)
It doesnt tell you how to go about reporting everyone you know, but it does have several links on tips for seniors to help them protect themselves.

It properly describes abuse as
Physical abuse of seniors includes actions that injure or risk injuring an older person or cause them physical pain
Psychological abuse of seniors includes actions that decrease their sense of self-worth and dignity
Financial abuse includes actions that decrease the financial worth of an older person without benefit to that person
Neglect includes inactions that may result in harm to an older person

[abitkt7raid]

Little late to the game on the thread here.. but thought I'd share my 2c.

My mother in law is living on a fixed income, not much money but enough to get by, one of her daughters is in rough shape.. kicked out of her low income rental, has 3 kids, two still living with her. After she was kicked out she moved in with her mother. She's on drugs, don't know what kind, and took her kids with her there.

They verbally abuse her, take her money, and eat all her food. For awhile she had to come to our house to eat because they ate everything in her house and took all her cash.

Eventually the daughter got ahold of her credit card and signed three of them up for cell phones and world of warcraft accounts... She didn't even know until I was doing her taxes and noticed her Credit Card bill mixed in with her other paperwork.

Her car broke down and now the bank won't give her a loan to get a new one or fix it due to her ruined credit.. it gets worse but I won't get into it. I think this is a good as an example of elder abuse as any.

She can't really defend herself.. we made multiple calls to police on her behalf but they won't do anything unless she asks them to. But she is scared and it's family so what is she going to do?

We went round and round and eventually the leeches left for some months, but now are back...

[eudaii]

elders get abused

[D-Roc]

Neither you, nor anyone else reported that. Thank you for pointing it out.

I know you sleep. I just happen to be up and it seemed you were already following the thread. I would have thought since you already said you thought the guy was trolling you would see his several flame bait comments that followed.

[EmperorOfCanada]

I know you sleep. I just happen to be up and it seemed you were already following the thread. I would have thought since you already said you thought the guy was trolling you would see his several flame bait comments that followed.

Not blaming you, it was a reasonable assumption to make. I do have to post from work during breaks etc and if I am in a hurry sometimes I will just skim through threads or get to them when I have a moment. Reports just help speed up the process.

[zz000ter]

My mother in law is living on a fixed income, not much money but enough to get by, one of her daughters is in rough shape.. kicked out of her low income rental, has 3 kids, two still living with her. After she was kicked out she moved in with her mother. She's on drugs, don't know what kind, and took her kids with her there.

They verbally abuse her, take her money, and eat all her food. For awhile she had to come to our house to eat because they ate everything in her house and took all her cash..

That is definite abuse. So sad to hear stories like this
I wonder if the mother-in-law could have told the daughter to get out of the house
and if she did not to have her arrested for trespassing

I wonder if the credit card issue for qualify as fraud?

[Becks]

If the OP has never seen elder abuse, then they are the target audience for this awareness-raising commercial. Old folks aren't going to be screaming in the streets that they are being abused. You have to look for subtle signs. I was in the hospital's Emergency Dept, and there was this thin frail old man there who was punched in the head by his daughter or something! Really shocking!! If you passed by him on the street, you would assume he "walked into a door" or something.

[abitkt7raid]

That is definite abuse. So sad to hear stories like this
I wonder if the mother-in-law could have told the daughter to get out of the house
and if she did not to have her arrested for trespassing

I wonder if the credit card issue for qualify as fraud?

They do, I spoke to the police in length, as the daughter is not renting she has no tennant rights. All she would need to do is have the police show up, let them know this person is trespassing and the police would provide support in getting her out.

They could criminally charger her for Fraud/Theft or whatever for the credit card thing as well, police confirmed with me.

Both cases require her to call the police, lay charges, make a big scene.. and this is to kick out her daughter and grand kids. It's a good example of why Elder Abuse is different because so often it's family and people have a hard time dealing with Family. Choose between the abuse your are getting vs your family out on the street. Eventually she made the right choice and they left for about 6 months but now are back.

If it was some random stranger nesting in her house I would be there holding them down while the police came to arrest them.

[JAGpilot]

You want to see elder abuse? Go into a nursing home dementia unit and see the people drugged out of their minds. Go into a heavy care unit and see the 2-3 nurses who have to care for 20-30 incontinent residents. Want to keep elder abuse up? Keep putting all the money towards youth and child care while the seniors get the short end of the stick.

Want to see more elder abuse? Go look at community housing where an 85 year old is living on welfare/pension because they couldn't save money because they had 5 kids to care for on a minimum salary.

[jerrysiz]

I for instance live with my folks, and they make so much food that I refuse to eat it, sometimes throwing it out, because it is quite simply too much food. This has left them with the impression that it is elder abuse since I do not eat the food.


Elder Abuse, seems to be witch hunt like. To me anyways.

Hmmm. You for instance live with your kids, and they always ask for a pony, and you refuse to give them one. This has left them with the impression that it is child abuse since you do not buy them the pony. Therefore, I suppose, Child Abuse seems to be witch hunt like. To you anyways.



Perhaps there are rampant asian youths stealing money from thier grandparents.


3. As an older adult, have you experienced sexual abuse, including unwanted touching or
unwanted explicit sexual language?

Yes - 2.1 % (This happens all the time when an elderly man is paired with a male nurse. Doesn't happen when a male elderly patient is paired with a female nurse. Come on people.)


Kill Kony!


Racism, homophobia, and kill kony! It's like you've hit the trifecta of trolling.

[ishfish]

If the OP has never seen elder abuse, then they are the target audience for this awareness-raising commercial. Old folks aren't going to be screaming in the streets that they are being abused. You have to look for subtle signs. I was in the hospital's Emergency Dept, and there was this thin frail old man there who was punched in the head by his daughter or something! Really shocking!! If you passed by him on the street, you would assume he "walked into a door" or something.

I remember witnessing elder abuse once - the abusers was a stressed out spouse who was very frustrated at her husbands chronic and severe health problems. I felt sorry for them both.

[eudaii]

i started working at a nursing home last week as a dietary aide and the elders are very lonely and vulnerable to abuse. they want to form a friendship with you, and some people take advantage of their loneliness and longing for interaction. please respect elders!!! and children of elders, please take care of your parents. even though you may have kids and a family of your own...please remember who raised you, who nursed you, and who showered you with love. there are some residents here who haven't seen their children in months...this is unacceptable and heartbreaking!!!

[MrKap]

They do, I spoke to the police in length, as the daughter is not renting she has no tennant rights. All she would need to do is have the police show up, let them know this person is trespassing and the police would provide support in getting her out.

They could criminally charger her for Fraud/Theft or whatever for the credit card thing as well, police confirmed with me.

Both cases require her to call the police, lay charges, make a big scene.. and this is to kick out her daughter and grand kids. It's a good example of why Elder Abuse is different because so often it's family and people have a hard time dealing with Family. Choose between the abuse your are getting vs your family out on the street. Eventually she made the right choice and they left for about 6 months but now are back.

If it was some random stranger nesting in her house I would be there holding them down while the police came to arrest them.

That's the problem with people who are not in the immediate family. They get one person crying to them all the time because their life is boring they will listen to anything. What they don't understand is that nobody probably stole any credit cards, the money they just lent them to cover their car costs are not because of World of Warcraft but instead daddy warbucks has nothing better in his life than to listen to a sob story on fixed income.

I'm glad the police wouldn't make an arrest based on your judgement call.

I don't really understand the situation. But I know you have money, and you'd throw a bunch of kids to social services, before you took it into your own hands like a real man and did something like family does. You are a cash dispenser my friend.



Want to see more elder abuse? Go look at community housing where an 85 year old is living on welfare/pension because they couldn't save money because they had 5 kids to care for on a minimum salary.

It is sad to see someone raise 5 or 6 kids and none of them are around when they are 85 and near death.


Hmmm. You for instance live with your kids, and they always ask for a pony, and you refuse to give them one. This has left them with the impression that it is child abuse since you do not buy them the pony. Therefore, I suppose, Child Abuse seems to be witch hunt like. To you anyways.

No... because I have met real kids, who are really down on their luck. Some bleeding heart liberal who got into a tussle with their folks growing up and had a few fists fly does not cause my heart to beat an inch.


I remember witnessing elder abuse once - the abusers was a stressed out spouse who was very frustrated at her husbands chronic and severe health problems. I felt sorry for them both.

That's where potentially there is room for alot problems if you ask me. Spouses sure... maybe social services should get involved. Stiffer penalities and jail sentences because someone looses it, once in a blue moon. Probably a bad policy. As for caretakers, if it takes 10 months of investigation to arrest one person and the employers have done thier own investigation. I have to wonder if there was any abuse at all, or if it was the high society club down at the low income subsided housing units.


i started working at a nursing home last week as a dietary aide and the elders are very lonely and vulnerable to abuse.

Yes, I can see where alot gripping about the health service canada might come from. Especially if you have to sit in a diaper all day and you rely on other people to clean you up. There are some who abuse the system and ring for nurses 24/7 and there are others who wouldn't dare "inconvenience" someone.

It's probably not fair, since this is the direction this thread is headed to think along the lines of every single elderly person being helpless based on their age alone.

They should make the laws effect people with mental disabilities, or physical ones. This age discrimination stuff is garbage. jmo...

I mean except for visiting people who gave everything to raise your sorry butt. I didn't mean to confuse the issues. It's hard to call something "elder absue" and have it be all encompassing then have the federal government raise the penalties for elder abuse crimes, when they seem to target the poor people moreso than the hoity toity. Everybodies lives are so important, they can't wait to end up in that nursing home.

[CSK'sMom]

That's the problem with people who are not in the immediate family. They get one person crying to them all the time because their life is boring they will listen to anything. What they don't understand is that nobody probably stole any credit cards, the money they just lent them to cover their car costs are not because of World of Warcraft but instead daddy warbucks has nothing better in his life than to listen to a sob story on fixed income.

I'm glad the police wouldn't make an arrest based on your judgement call.

I don't really understand the situation. But I know you have money.

Just wanted to be the first to say WTF???? :facepalm:

[ishfish]

This age discrimination stuff is garbage. jmo...

It is about hightlighting a potentially vulnerable population.

[MrKap]

Just wanted to be the first to say WTF???? :facepalm:

Fixed income with 3 credit cards at least? Can't pay for the car, daughter is gone for 6 months at a time... Macho Macho Man...

[jerrysiz]

No... because I have met real kids, who are really down on their luck. Some bleeding heart liberal who got into a tussle with their folks growing up and had a few fists fly does not cause my heart to beat an inch.

:rolleyes: Yeah, I guess a child having a "tussle" with their folks in which "a few fists fly" isn't such a big deal...I mean, what's all the commotion about punching your kid a few good ones in the heat of argument? People are just so sensitive these days. :facepalm:

Also, since you do not deny that the pony analogy is apt, I'm assuming your entire denial is based on the fact that you "have met real kids who are really down on their luck", and apparently have not met elderly people in similar situations. Do you always assume everything outside your limited personal experience is something which must have been completely invented to create a witch hunt? You do realize that things can exist outside your little bubble, right?

[jerrysiz]

Fixed income with 3 credit cards at least? Can't pay for the car, daughter is gone for 6 months at a time... Macho Macho Man...

This response only serves to compound the "WTF????".

[MrKap]

:rolleyes: Yeah, I guess a child having a "tussle" with their folks in which "a few fists fly" isn't such a big deal...I mean, what's all the commotion about punching your kid a few good ones in the heat of argument? People are just so sensitive these days. :facepalm:

Also, since you do not deny that the pony analogy is apt, I'm assuming your entire denial is based on the fact that you "have met real kids who are really down on their luck", and apparently have not met elderly people in similar situations. Do you always assume everything outside your limited personal experience is something which must have been completely invented to create a witch hunt? You do realize that things can exist outside your little bubble, right?

Well it's not about child abuse, but in any event, the Texas Judge and the Daughter releasing tapes about what was probably a one time incident.

Some kids really have it bad. I remember one kid I knew who was missing quite a few of teeth by the time he was 13 (he might have 14 or 15. Doesn't make a difference). Probably not all from physical assaults, probably a lot to do with malnutrition. Those kids have it rough. The other kids if you tell them child abuse is an issue, well then, that's leverage, not justice. Anything like you said, not getting a pony is really "abuse" in their eyes. jmo...


In any event, Elder Abuse, according to the Federal Governments PSA, is a witch hunt, which just opens the door to a whole bunch of new charges being laid on people when crime is mysteriously at an all time low.

Why not go after the real problems, like old ladies and old men living in social housing units? Not charging them with crimes for being poor, but helping them out. Why not go after the swindlers getting fat paychecks from unsuspecting elderly folks?

What does a lady brushing off her husband have to do with elder abuse?

What does sending the RCMP on a 10 month nursing home investigation have to do with anything?

What does a son over a 2 year period while his father is in his death bed using the power of attorney to access funds have to do with elder abuse?


(These are all examples I have posted previously)

[macy69]

See you later... fun talking to a bunch of cops...

Damn, I thought you had left.

[jerrysiz]

Well it's not about child abuse, but in any event, the Texas Judge and the Daughter releasing tapes about what was probably a one time incident.

Some kids really have it bad. I remember one kid I knew who was missing quite a few of teeth by the time he was 13. These kids have it rough. The other kids if you tell them child abuse is an issue, well then, that's leverage, not justice. jmo...

Yeah, because if your parents hit you but don't knock out your teeth, what's to complain about, whiner? :facepalm: Please do not breed.

[zz000ter]

i started working at a nursing home last week as a dietary aide and the elders are very lonely and vulnerable to abuse. they want to form a friendship with you, and some people take advantage of their loneliness and longing for interaction. please respect elders!!! and children of elders, please take care of your parents. even though you may have kids and a family of your own...please remember who raised you, who nursed you, and who showered you with love. there are some residents here who haven't seen their children in months...this is unacceptable and heartbreaking!!!

You are so correct. We live in a society where people do not respect their elders.
We forget everything they have done for us and when they get old, many just wait for them to die
so that they can get their money.

It is a shame what we have devolved into.

[MrKap]

Yeah, because if your parents hit you but don't knock out your teeth, what's to complain about, whiner? :facepalm: Please do not breed.

If someone wants to discipline their child, there is nothing about it which is my business.

Discipline is not abuse.

If it were upto you, we would all breed with the state.


I'm not really a social services worker, so I don't know the definitive criteria. But based on some of the beliefs of people out there, especially the crayon drawing and a gun, these numbers should be going up soon...

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/article/1089444--help-crown-wards-beat-the-odds



If someone wants to kill a racoon with a shovel. I have no f'g business calling the police. That police abuse.

If I get a scrape or a cut, I have no business going down to the emergency room to have it looked at. My 6 figure salary dictates that I have enough brain power to care for my own scrape. I am not more incompetent than a neanderthal.



You are so correct. We live in a society where people do not respect their elders.

While I think there is a good variety of types out there, you are right. People do not respect their elders, it is a hyper consumerist society, with the fattest sense of entitlement ever.

With the internet, it seems like we have opinions about everyone, which is good for debate, but when it's put into practice it's really scary.

[D-Roc]

Damn, I thought you had left.

Trolls can't help themselves.

[MrKap]

Trolls can't help themselves.

If I was an elder, what you just did there is abuse. I could have you thrown in jail.

http://www.seniors.gc.ca/c.4nt.2nt@.jsp?cid=157

[Agafaba]

If I was an elder, what you just did there is abuse. I could have you thrown in jail.

http://www.seniors.gc.ca/c.4nt.2nt@.jsp?cid=157


So, didnt you know its already illegal?
http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/pi/fv-vf/pub/har/part1.html