Chinese discover backdoor into Canada — through Quebec

[DearSummer]

Chinese discover backdoor into Canada — through Quebec
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1148993--chinese-discover-backdoor-into-canada-through-quebec?bn=1


Chinese desperate to emigrate have discovered a backdoor into Canada that involves applying for entry into the country’s francophone province of Quebec — as long as they have a good working knowledge of the local lingo.

So, while learning French as an additional language is losing ground in many parts of the world — even as Mandarin classes proliferate because of China’s rise on the international stage — many Chinese are busy learning how to say, “Bonjour, je m’appelle Zhang.”

The province selects its own immigrants and doesn’t have any cap or backlog of applicants like Canada’s national program does. But it requires most immigrants to demonstrate their knowledge of French.

Immigration agencies in Beijing started pushing this program over the past year, telling people, “this is the only way out, there’s no other way,” said Quebec-based immigration consultant Joyce Li.

These transplants must commit to living in Quebec in their application, but, later on, they can take advantage of Canadian rights to move to Toronto or Vancouver, which most investor-emigrants do, she said.

Why should Quebec have their own immigration policy that trumps the Federal one? Quebec's continual disregard for Canada at a national level is quite disgusting.

[stealth]

Chinese discover backdoor into Canada — through Quebec
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1148993--chinese-discover-backdoor-into-canada-through-quebec?bn=1




Why should Quebec have their own immigration policy that trumps the Federal one? Quebec's continual disregard for Canada at a national level is quite disgusting.

I actually would be ok with this, if there were a way to enforce a requirement of minimal residency term in Quebec, and then have to "apply" to move elsewhere in the country. if you want to act like a separate country, own it all the way.
But alas, this is not the case.

[Thai]

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[gman]

Chinese discover backdoor into Canada — through Quebec
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1148993--chinese-discover-backdoor-into-canada-through-quebec?bn=1
Why should Quebec have their own immigration policy that trumps the Federal one? Quebec's continual disregard for Canada at a national level is quite disgusting.

Are you kidding me? Toronto Star called that "news". Something they have just discovered? Quebec has been the gateway to come to Canada for over 3 decades already.

[Hairball]

*gets out the popcorn*

But this is really no different than the other provinces which also have provincial nominee programs. I guess the Quebec program has more autonomy than the other provinces. But of course you're expected to speak French in Quebec, what is the real problem?

[studolf]

So let me get this right; Quebec doesn't care whether these people have any job ready skills or speak English? As long as they speak french, they have a ticket to Canada. Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.

Most companies don't care whether you speak french, except for a few government jobs. If these immigrants can't find jobs, are tax payers gone pay to teach them English as well?

[gman]

So let me get this right; Quebec doesn't care whether these people have any job ready skills or speak English? As long as they speak french, they have a ticket to Canada. Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.

Most companies don't care whether you speak french, except for a few government jobs. If these immigrants can't find jobs, are tax payers gone pay to teach them English as well?

Many companies in Quebec care.

[Kingmoo]

This will probably turn into a "Quebec sucks" thread.

I'm OK with that...

[manixc]

This is news? I thought this is common knowledge. Immigrants (not just Chinese) go thru Quebec than move as soon as possible to other parts of the country.

[rockinthesuburbs]

hey, knowledge is power, friends.

[Kingmoo]

This will probably turn into a "Quebec sucks" thread.

I'm OK with that...

BTW this is not news. Immigrants are Quebec's biggest export

[ji2o0k]

Clay Aiken also discovered the "backdoor" and has been lovin' it for many years now!

Or so I have heard....lol!

[divx]

Either those people are really desperate or our country is just that awesome, they are willing to learn 2 new languages just to get in. :razz:

[olssy]

Chinese discover backdoor into Canada — through Quebec
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1148993--chinese-discover-backdoor-into-canada-through-quebec?bn=1




Why should Quebec have their own immigration policy that trumps the Federal one? Quebec's continual disregard for Canada at a national level is quite disgusting.

Sounds more like The Star had some space to fill. There isn't a huge influx of Chinese immigrants in Quebec, all of Asia accounts for about 28% of new immigrants in 2011 for Quebec. They also don't get in automatically when they speak french, this is the point chart for immigration into Quebec:

Training Up to 28 points (Cutoff Score = 2 points)
Validated Employment Offer Up to 10 points
Work Experience Up to 8 points
Age Up to 16 points
Language Proficiency Up to 22 points
Stay and Family in Quebec Up to 8 points
Spouse's Characteristics Up to 16 points
Children Up to 8 points
Financial Self-Sufficiency 1 point (Cutoff Score = 1)

A single applicant must score over 49 points.

Some more statistics from 2011:
About 36% of new immigrants don't speak french when they arrive.
About 20% speak neither french nor English.
27% are uni-lingual french.
37% speak both French and English
Over 35% of new immigrants were between ages 25 and 24.
70% are accepted as economic immigrants, 19% are coming to live with family members, 10% are refugees and about 1% are 'other'.
Approximately 52500 people immigrated to Quebec in 2011 of which 74% were selected by Quebec.
In 2011 Quebec welcomed around 5000 Haitians, 5000 Chinese, 4000 Algerians, 4000 Moroccans and 3200 French.

I couldn't find any statistics about how many Quebec immigrants move to another province and that would be really neat to know.

I really don't see how this can be seen as a back door to Canada as the province still has quotas and just applies extra points if you can speak french.

[Phoenix3434]

Jean-Luc Picard really IS French!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRFiU3X77x8

[sylpherware]

We Chinese will ALWAYS find your "backdoor" :twisted:

[JustBob]

Why should Quebec have their own immigration policy that trumps the Federal one?

It does not. They are called "Federal/Provincial Agreements", pretty much every province has one.

"Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) has agreements with provinces and territories on how they share responsibility for immigration.
Each agreement is negotiated separately with the province or territory to address unique needs and priorities."

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/laws-policy/agreements/index.asp



The province selects its own immigrants and doesn’t have any cap or backlog of applicants like Canada’s national program does.


Hmmm... not exactly... see:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/laws-policy/agreements/quebec/can-que-guide.asp

Now while Quebec's agreement with the Federal government might be more comprehensive and gives more powers in matters of immigration to Quebec than to other provinces, it's still an "agreement" and not a completely separate policy. Other provinces should feel free to negotiate agreements more to their liking if they so desire...


Quebec's continual disregard for Canada at a national level is quite disgusting.

But not nearly as much as the ignorance of most Canadians when it comes to Quebec. ;)

[UrbanPoet]

Kinda offtopic...
But an Asian girl who can speak french? Thats kinda hot!

Oddly enough... IF a Chinese person has enough will power to learn both French and English... they'd be doing way better at integrating into CAnadian society compared to most Chiniese immigrants we typically know.

[packardbell]

We Chinese will ALWAYS find your "backdoor" :twisted:

brings a new meaning to "i got your back" :razz:

[feidailo]

Kinda offtopic...
But an Asian girl who can speak french? Thats kinda hot!

Oddly enough... IF a Chinese person has enough will power to learn both French and English... they'd be doing way better at integrating into CAnadian society compared to most Chiniese immigrants we typically know.

an asian girl who can speak french is hot. but how well can they speak english? is some overpaid government wackjob in Quebec conversing with them and saying "thats good enough"?

[olssy]

Kinda offtopic...
But an Asian girl who can speak french? Thats kinda hot!

Oddly enough... IF a Chinese person has enough will power to learn both French and English... they'd be doing way better at integrating into CAnadian society compared to most Chiniese immigrants we typically know.

Montreal is full of Asian people who speak french and it is quite hot, especially when they have the Quebecois accent :)

[Tabooger]

The Star chose the wrong term, how is it a 'backdoor' if it's a legal method. They make it sound like what's being done is illegal. Whether you agree or not, that's something else, and certainly not for the news paper to decide under the news section of the paper.

[Hairball]

The Star chose the wrong term, how is it a 'backdoor' if it's a legal method. They make it sound like what's being done is illegal. Whether you agree or not, that's something else, and certainly not for the news paper to decide under the news section of the paper.

It's The Star, it keeps them up at night when not enough immigrants are coming to Ontario. :cheesygri:cheesygri

[sylpherware]

The Star chose the wrong term, how is it a 'backdoor' if it's a legal method. They make it sound like what's being done is illegal. Whether you agree or not, that's something else, and certainly not for the news paper to decide under the news section of the paper.

Exactly. It's like calling RFD the "backdoor" to goods and services. :facepalm:

[flashy_mcflash]

We Chinese will ALWAYS find your "backdoor" :twisted:

I don't know why, but I laughed for almost 5 straight minutes at this. :D

[whampoa]

The only time I'm using French is with my friends (Catherine, Crescent, Denis, Laurent) while drunk.

[manmanny]

The Star chose the wrong term, how is it a 'backdoor' if it's a legal method. They make it sound like what's being done is illegal. Whether you agree or not, that's something else, and certainly not for the news paper to decide under the news section of the paper.


It's The Star, it keeps them up at night when not enough immigrants are coming to Ontario. :cheesygri:cheesygri


As you posted, kinda strange when people are coming legally to Quebec but Star object. On other hand Star supports illegal immigration, Tamil refugees likes. They always write nobody is Illegal.

[Montague]

Exactly. It's like calling RFD the "backdoor" to goods and services. :facepalm:

Sounds kind of Greek to me - can you explain?:razz:

[ji2o0k]

an asian girl who can speak french is hot. but how well can they speak english? is some overpaid government wackjob in Quebec conversing with them and saying "thats good enough"?asian girl that speaks french is hot but an asian girl with nice teeth is even hotter...

I find that girls from overseas have really bad teeth...such a turnoff...

[sandikosh]

If there is a way, the Chinese will find it! Good job! Now anyone wanting to emigrate into Canada can thank the Chinese.

[dec12]

Bow to the Chinese overlords. ROC is Quebec's backdoor, and Quebec is Chinese's back door. Karma can be a beach sometime.

[manmanny]

If there is a way, the Chinese will find it! Good job! Now anyone wanting to emigrate into Canada can thank the Chinese.


I agree. But Kudos to them they are coming legally. Anything legal is welcome regardless of nationality.

[dragon_drift]

How is this bad compared to people who arrive on boats off the coast of Vancouver and expect a hand out/welfare as soon as they set foot on this country.

[Coz4k]

So let me get this right; Quebec doesn't care whether these people have any job ready skills or speak English? As long as they speak french, they have a ticket to Canada. Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.

Most companies don't care whether you speak french, except for a few government jobs. If these immigrants can't find jobs, are tax payers gone pay to teach them English as well?

Not speaking french in Quebec is like not speaking english in America....

[Lostwords]

Clay Aiken also discovered the "backdoor" and has been lovin' it for many years now!

Or so I have heard....lol!



We Chinese will ALWAYS find your "backdoor" :twisted:

Hahahaha... best comments...


OP: Language is a skill sets. I don't see any Canadian willing to Learn French to stay in Quebec. Frankly I don't think there are that many young Chinese people that want to leave their country. Especially for those that speak English or French. With China booming economy, the one that graduated from University usually get a pretty good job. Not many likes the prospect of moving to Canada and start at the bottom.

[Xpwmata]

Hahahaha... best comments...


OP: Language is a skill sets. I don't see any Canadian willing to Learn French to stay in Quebec. Frankly I don't think there are that many young Chinese people that want to leave their country. Especially for those that speak English or French. With China booming economy, the one that graduated from University usually get a pretty good job. Not many likes the prospect of moving to Canada and start at the bottom.


LMAO I suggest you take a trip to any Canadian University or College.

[Hairball]

Hahahaha... best comments...


OP: Language is a skill sets. I don't see any Canadian willing to Learn French to stay in Quebec. Frankly I don't think there are that many young Chinese people that want to leave their country. Especially for those that speak English or French. With China booming economy, the one that graduated from University usually get a pretty good job. Not many likes the prospect of moving to Canada and start at the bottom.

Perhaps that would apply if you're part of the elite. But when hundreds of millions of people are very poor in China, I'm sure they'd want to come to greener pastures where they will live a better life with more dignity.

[KDSet]

I'm impressed. :)

[blainehamilton]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7osGfFTQVtU

[Rainne]

A legal backdoor, yes. lol

[spike1128]

Perhaps that would apply if you're part of the elite. But when hundreds of millions of people are very poor in China, I'm sure they'd want to come to greener pastures where they will live a better life with more dignity.

I am sure Quebec isn't as weak sauce as us other provinces and let them walk all over us. No speak English? Ok, you can stay in Ontario, BC, etc etc "insert province except Quebec".

This is what happens in Quebec. Tu ne parle en Francais? Sorry, we can't let you stay, you get on the next boat back to China.

I am sure even if the Chinese uses our "back doors", it's much better than a boatload of Thailand originated South Asian refugees coming in from our front door and claiming they want in. The first day they come, they become Canadians.

[Hairball]

I am sure Quebec isn't as weak sauce as us other provinces and let them walk all over us. No speak English? Ok, you can stay in Ontario, BC, etc etc "insert province except Quebec".

This is what happens in Quebec. Tu ne parle en Francais? Sorry, we can't let you stay, you get on the next boat back to China.

I am sure even if the Chinese uses our "back doors", it's much better than a boatload of Thailand originated South Asian refugees coming in from our front door and claiming they want in. The first day they come, they become Canadians.

I agree, Quebec is stronger about protecting their culture and identity unlike the rest of Canada. I mean at the very least people should be speaking the language of the place they live in.

As for the last part, that isn't entirely true, but if the refugee claim is successful (not always the case, but who's kidding who) they'll be well on their way to PR and then citizenship.

[kingfencer]

pretty hard to learn that language, most of us had to sit through those dreadful classes, and how much french do we know now? If i can't even ask where's the washroom, then it has failed me...

[Hairball]

pretty hard to learn that language, most of us had to sit through those dreadful classes, and how much french do we know now? If i can't even ask where's the washroom, then it has failed me...

Ou est la toilette? :cheesygri

[Syne]

One thing everyone is missing here is that it's one thing to 'know' a language and another to actually know a language. I mean, technically I know French. I can pass one of those government written exams, watch a kids show or listen to a news broadcast, and my grammar is probably better than your average Quebecois adult.

.. but without actual immersion, I'm just about as functionless as someone who hasn't studied French a day in their life when it comes to employment.

Learning a language is all about learning the idioms and dialect. Nobody speaks proper English in Ontario and in Quebec they certainly don't speak proper French.

[jaxx lite]

If there is a way, the Chinese will find it! Good job! Now anyone wanting to emigrate into Canada can thank the Chinese.

Clarification:
this is not a Chinese thing or a Chinese "discovery"

Most likely,
anybody in the world who is interested in living in North America will be told about the "backdoor into Canada — through Quebec"

-

[Aznsilvrboy]

Hahahaha... best comments...


OP: Language is a skill sets. I don't see any Canadian willing to Learn French to stay in Quebec. Frankly I don't think there are that many young Chinese people that want to leave their country. Especially for those that speak English or French. With China booming economy, the one that graduated from University usually get a pretty good job. Not many likes the prospect of moving to Canada and start at the bottom.

Just got back from Beijing a few weeks ago. Asked a local how is the job market for university grads and he told me that it's hard for university grads to find jobs because there's more supply of them than there are jobs. So it's not very good over there.

[spike1128]

pretty hard to learn that language, most of us had to sit through those dreadful classes, and how much french do we know now? If i can't even ask where's the washroom, then it has failed me...

Well, if I knew that learning French and being good at it can land be some French girls. I totally would have put in 150% in learning the language. Even if the classes are dreadful.

I think I can say at least "where is this, where is that, and my name is, or i don't speak french, or hello".

[spike1128]

One thing everyone is missing here is that it's one thing to 'know' a language and another to actually know a language. I mean, technically I know French. I can pass one of those government written exams, watch a kids show or listen to a news broadcast, and my grammar is probably better than your average Quebecois adult.

.. but without actual immersion, I'm just about as functionless as someone who hasn't studied French a day in their life when it comes to employment.

Learning a language is all about learning the idioms and dialect. Nobody speaks proper English in Ontario and in Quebec they certainly don't speak proper French.

Sorry Syne, I don't think your last sentence is correct. Of course nobody speaks proper English in Ontario (and other English speaking province), don't even mention Quebec. You know what is proper English? The English they speak in England. To the English, we don't speak English at all.

[Manatus]

Sorry Syne, I don't think your last sentence is correct. Of course nobody speaks proper English in Ontario (and other English speaking province), don't even mention Quebec. You know what is proper English? The English they speak in England. To the English, we don't speak English at all.

They don't speak "textbook" English in England either (at least not the majority of England), or anywhere else really. It's like any other language in the world, once you dumb it down to rote rules to teach and parrot back, you'll stick out like a sore thumb to any semi-native speaker.

[NG]

Are you kidding me? Toronto Star called that "news". Something they have just discovered? Quebec has been the gateway to come to Canada for over 3 decades already.

And again the supposedly left wing Toronto Star goes after left wingers...this time the most left wing prov in Canada.

You don't see the Toronto Sun going after Alberta. Hell they've got their back.

And The Star expects me to pay a subscription for this tripe?

[Pochacco]

This has been a long time known fact. language or no language requirement.. that it has always been easier to immigrate to Quebec cuz it's not the first choice destination for many and it's easier to immigrate in Quebec than said in popular provinces like Ontario and BC... over the years, I have known of many people that relocated elsewhere after their fulfill their minimal stay in Quebec...I would always hear of so and so moved to said Ontario, BC, Alberta etc... they are free to roam wherever they want...

Quebec should tighten their rules and make people stay in Quebec for at least five to seven years after they immigrated to the province (that would never happen) :)

[Pochacco]

Kinda offtopic...
But an Asian girl who can speak french? Thats kinda hot!

Oddly enough... IF a Chinese person has enough will power to learn both French and English... they'd be doing way better at integrating into CAnadian society compared to most Chiniese immigrants we typically know.

Go to Mtl for a week-end and hook up with the most beautiful Asian girls that can speak French.. as there are many!!! :)

[chickenbones]

LMAO I suggest you take a trip to any Canadian University or College.

Different issue, a lot of international students go back home after their education. It's tradition for wealthy parents to send kids overseas for education. Considering the amount of tuition they pay as international students I would say it's good business for Canada.

And unlike refugees, Chinese immigrants actually go through the qualification process of the immigration system, be it Quebec or the rest of Canada. It's legal, so I don't see what the problem is. Plus why is Quebec considered a "backdoor".

Oh and most countries have "backdoors" Puerto Rico is a backdoor to an American Green card, just no voting rights...

[jayk]

Kinda offtopic...
But an Asian girl who can speak french? Thats kinda hot!

Oddly enough... IF a Chinese person has enough will power to learn both French and English... they'd be doing way better at integrating into CAnadian society compared to most Chiniese immigrants we typically know.

A white chick who can speak Chinese is uber-hot! Makes them seem so cultured.

[manixc]

A white chick who can speak Chinese is uber-hot! Makes them seem so cultured.

like this girl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDKbWCyNBRY

[Mykester]

A white chick who can speak Chinese is uber-hot! Makes them seem so cultured.

lolwut? Spanish is hot, chinese... not so much

[jayk]

like this girl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDKbWCyNBRY

No, like this girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmWwoTGeoiU

This girl speaking Korean
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfAv401vN7c&feature=related

But when a white guy speaks mandarin and they didn't grow up in China, and somehow always joins the Asian clubs, it's kinda creepy cuz they are always interested in the "culture" first ;)

[elmst200]

For the lucky ones who could find employment after graduation, the pay for those Chinese university graduates are quite low.


Just got back from Beijing a few weeks ago. Asked a local how is the job market for university grads and he told me that it's hard for university grads to find jobs because there's more supply of them than there are jobs. So it's not very good over there.

[elmst200]

If given chance, most of international students from China would stay in Canada after their study.

Refugees are also LEGAL immigrants in Canada.

Don't forget, PRC is one of the top source countries from which Canada refugees come.


Different issue, a lot of international students go back home after their education. It's tradition for wealthy parents to send kids overseas for education. Considering the amount of tuition they pay as international students I would say it's good business for Canada.

And unlike refugees, Chinese immigrants actually go through the qualification process of the immigration system, be it Quebec or the rest of Canada. It's legal, so I don't see what the problem is. Plus why is Quebec considered a "backdoor".

Oh and most countries have "backdoors" Puerto Rico is a backdoor to an American Green card, just no voting rights...

[elmst200]

vast majority of Chinese elites (family members of higher lever government/party officials, super-rich families) have obtained or in the process of obtaining foreign residence/citizenship. Canada is one of the top destinations for those people.



Perhaps that would apply if you're part of the elite. But when hundreds of millions of people are very poor in China, I'm sure they'd want to come to greener pastures where they will live a better life with more dignity.

[Lostwords]

LMAO I suggest you take a trip to any Canadian University or College.

That's a telling tales showing they can afford to sent their kids to foreign country for school. It used to be just people from Hong Kong and Taiwain that can afford to go to school in foreign country. Now, you see folks from all over China coming over for school.

[koalorka]

Mr. Lahey is going around and removing my posts.

The Chinese are conducting a two-pronged assault on the civilized world and our living standards. Their cheap labour destroys wages, unions and industry and yet they continue to emigrate to what is remaining of the West.

Just to pre-empt future overzealous moderators, this post is neither trolling, nor bashing the Chinese people, but rather a comment on the economic structure of the world. Having carefully reviewed the guidelines, I found it to be in full compliance and nothing contained in it can possibly be misinterpreted as offensive.

[LostInTruth]

Welcome to Canada. The Chinese seem to work hard to get here (I.E. better education, living standards, overcome prior dictatorship) and it pays off for them. Can't hate.

I think more people here need to put more motivation within themselves and stop blaming immigration for all their problems. First, there are those who complain that immigration takes up tax dollars from social assistance, and then they blame them for working/getting an education. C'mon!

P.S. Canada is built on immigration, and has a vulgar history to show for it.

[thelefteyeguy]

you guys make this process sound so dirty :razz: