Do you tip? If not, what are your arguments against tipping?

[sweeper]

I never tip, then again, I pretty much never eat out at restaurants. Maybe once every 5 months.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enJwYaeolXc

Sums up my thoughts quite nicely.

[Syne]

Not another tipping thread.

In b4 Tipper Gore.

[MrKap]

There is no other place on earth where tipping is brought up so much.

Just tip someone, the guilt isn't worth it.


Didn't Mr.Pinky die with a gunshot wound to his stomach or something like that?

[madkitty]

1. I never tip coz I'm a broken student so paying for my own bill is already a challenge if I wanna eat out.
2. Tip should be included in your bill so waitress don't have to complain all the time, I can't say more than Sorry anyway, we're all on the same boat.

[MrKap]

1. I never tip coz I'm a broken student so paying for my own bill is already a challenge if I wanna eat out.

If it helps, and this is your argument. Never mention that you are going out somewhere to eat after you screw someone over on a payment.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdF_Vo4B6Ms



2. Tip should be included in your bill so waitress don't have to complain all the time, I can't say more than Sorry anyway, we're all on the same boat.

That's the beauty of it, you don't have to tip a lot. If it were upto the managers you would pay an extra 25% hidden fee on everything.

It is a safe bet that if you exchange money before your food is brought to you, that you should tip though. Just to be safe. You never know.

[Agafaba]

Every time someone makes a tip thread in OT I reduce the % I tip by 1.

[madkitty]

every time someone makes a tip thread in ot i reduce the % i tip by 1.

agree

[MrKap]

Be honest with yourself. This is RFD. Nobody tips.

Isn't there a thread on beggars somewhere in here?

[BongoBong]

Every time someone makes a tip thread in OT I reduce the % I tip by 1.

Must be eating free by now

[Syne]

Must be eating free by now

.. or started demanding a 10% discount ;)

[MrKap]

Yeah, I always see these guys behind the dumpsters scavenging.

[sweeper]

I know in certain countries (eg. Japan) tipping is considered rude as waiters/waitresses believe one shouldn't have to be given incentives to do their job.

And no, I never give beggars my change. Change comes from within.

[MrKap]

I see, so where does a guy like me with 2 amputated legs go to get a job from you, mr bigshot employer.

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/153113--panhandlers-in-the-city-part-3


(In case you didn't see the thread on beggars. No, I am not really an amputee)

[sweeper]

I see, so where does a guy like me with 2 amputated legs go to get a job from you, mr bigshot employer.

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/153113--panhandlers-in-the-city-part-3

(In case you didn't see the thread on beggars. No, I am not really an amputee)

Lose that sense of entitlement and you're good to go.

[Rainne]

We live in Canada, so I tip.

10-15% for average service (they make an effort to appear friendly, get the order right, etc.)

15-20%+ for spectacular service (going over the top politeness, doing things without being told, trying to start conversations with you, check ups)

I actually hear waiters/waitresses can make $20-25+/hr depending on what restaurant they work in.

[MrKap]

Lose that sense of entitlement and you're good to go.

The guy has both his legs amputated.

Are you suggesting that he should be your love slave so his contribution to society is a worthy one?


It's the pirates life for you, hoy! Arrghhh

[sweeper]

The guy has both his legs amputated.

Are you suggesting that he should be your love slave so his contribution to society is a worthy one?

I didn't bother watching the video FYI.

Is it past your bed time? Why are you rambling and assuming ridiculous things I've never even hinted at.

[MrKap]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIs0S77RLk8

[sweeper]

I guess you've decided to save face. Moving along.

[MrKap]

If you are a regular somewhere, you should tip moderately, nobody expects you to tip alot. It also depends on what the staff is like in some places versus the others. You can never tell.

Yes, people lose thier jobs over stupid stuff like that.

Don't tip if you don't want to or can't afford. Don't make it a gleeful self-entitled habit though.

And I won't tell you why I refuse to eat at some establishments versus others. I just prefer to smell my food before I eat it. What more can I say.


I don't make it up, and I've worked in alot of restaurants before.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3620712


There was one time within the 3 months, I could smell something wrong with the food. But all the idiots around me were absolutely certain nothing bad could have been done to it. People are stupid.

Here is a good video for you to open your eyes. Enjoy whatever it is you eat, where you screw people on tips - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSOkIpPyciw


That other story, where it happened in the states. Here it is in Vancouver - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLEqYxVVoHs

It happens all the time. I smell my food, I am gracious for service (when I get it, although I rarely go to places to get service or food for that matter, I refuse to put staff out of their way, ect...), and I tip accordingly.

[Agafaba]

.. or started demanding a 10% discount ;)

I make sure to keep a tab, payable to my RFD account. Unfortunately servers are notoriously bad at tipping me.

[Agafaba]

We live in Canada, so I tip.

10-15% for average service (they make an effort to appear friendly, get the order right, etc.)

15-20%+ for spectacular service (going over the top politeness, doing things without being told, trying to start conversations with you, check ups)

I actually hear waiters/waitresses can make $20-25+/hr depending on what restaurant they work in.

My friend used to be a bartender, on good nights he would make around $75-80/hr.

[MrKap]

My friend used to be a bartender, on good nights he would make around $75-80/hr.

That's because the smart bartenders serve the people who tip first. Don't tip at a bar? Ever wonder why you wait what seems to be longer than everybody else?

That's why when you go to a busy bar, one guy goes up for everybody and grabs an extra one for himself.

I mean it doesn't happen everywhere, but it does happen. Especially if you're hogging the bar, and not tipping.

In any event, what was that? New Years Eve or something?

[Agafaba]

That's because the smart bartenders serve the people who tip first. Don't tip at a bar? Ever wonder why you wait what seems to be longer than everybody else?

That's why when you go to a busy bar, one guy goes up for everybody and grabs an extra one for himself.

I mean it doesn't happen everywhere, but it does happen. Especially if you're hogging the bar, and not tipping.

In any event, what was that? New Years Eve or something?

No, just an above average bar night, I would say he got one of those every 2-3 weeks. I dont think he worked there on a New Years Eve so I dont know what he would have made that night.

[MrKap]

No, just an above average bar night, I would say he got one of those every 2-3 weeks. I dont think he worked there on a New Years Eve so I dont know what he would have made that night.

You can't say it's not decent money. But you can say it probably only lasts for a few hours, and when they don't tip out to the rest of the staff, they had best not eat from the kitchen.




In any event, and I might as well add. This is the same reason they need to legalize marijuana. Dumb people, especially kids never know what they are getting.



I hope this isn't too far off topic... but it's hilarious...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEkupBSeY00

[Agafaba]

You can't say it's not decent money. But you can say it probably only lasts for a few hours, and when they don't tip out the rest of the staff, they had best not eat from the kitchen.

Well my math involved some guessing, but I do know on one of his really good nights he came out with $600 that he gave to me to buy him a computer. It wasnt a special occasion or anything, just a bar night with some better tippers than usual.

[Jimboski]

Yes I tip.. Why not since I don't each out much!

[stealth]

i look forward to all the fresh new opinions and discussion on this topic that will be completely unlike all the other tipping discussion threads.

[Lostwords]

I believe in tiping but only if I get the services that I deem deserve a tips. If someone did serve me and always refill my drinks without me asking, foods arrive timely and friendly service, I have no problem giving out tips. What bug me to no end is those that does non of the above and expected me to tip them 10-15%.

[Thai]

I tip according to service and food quality received up to a maximum of 25% if it's absolutely exceptional. There has been times where the wait staff was just miserable and hated her job and I didn't leave a penny. I don't regret those decisions in the very least.

[45ED]

I never tip, then again, I pretty much never eat out at restaurants. Maybe once every 5 months.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enJwYaeolXc

Sums up my thoughts quite nicely.

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/6835/3251790017cac7daae95o.jpg


i look forward to all the fresh new opinions and discussion on this topic that will be completely unlike all the other tipping discussion threads.
This.

[LaserEnvy]

I tip all the time but I would advise everyone to use caution when eating at certain restaurants. These restaurants don't give the tips to the waiters and waitresses. Instead they keep it for themselves. If that is the case, you should keep the tips to a minimum or not tip at all if you prefer.

[mysticalinfluence]

The horse isn't dead yet keep beating it.

[Hitman21]

People shouldn't have to tip if they don't want to as well as subsidize other peoples wages but if I get good service then I will tip

[KDSet]

10% or nothing (rare), exceptions for exceptional circumstances. It's hard to gauge what's an appropriate rate because much of Canada's tipping culture takes from the US, where they apparently have crap hourly wages for servers which isn't necessarily the case here. End result is I avoid eating in as much as possible.

[stealth]

The horse isn't dead yet keep beating it.

I know...Im still waiting for that moment of zen/enlightenment...C'mon OP, I KNOW you got something special for us!:lol:

[Slawek]

When I lived in Australia the hourly wage was high and tips were not common, alcohol servers had same wages as everyone else. In Canada it's different so I do tip. However I need to draw the line with certain things, like haircuts or cabbies. I mean wtf

[DeathRazR]

they would be lucky if i even leave 2% tips.

[45ED]

I know...Im still waiting for that moment of zen/enlightenment...C'mon OP, I KNOW you got something special for us!:lol:

Why is tips called tips, if it is an acronym for To Insure Proper Service? Why "insure" - are we going to an insurance broker to purchase a proper service policy? If I get s**ty service, can I submit a claim and get compensation for my experiential lost? What dumb fool thought of that? It should be called TEPS, if we really mean "ensure". But it doesn't work out either in practice because 1. it doesn't have a pleasant ring, and 2. The prospect of getting awarded a bonus after the meal is done has not, in general, improved customer service for food patrons. If customers were able to actually ensure proper service by tempting people with money-after-the-fact, we wouldn't have all of these ridiculous tipping threads.

It should really be called taps - To Award Proper Service. That way the bonus at the end of the meal reflects what we actually do - use money to award/acknowledge (proper) service.

[CDNPatriot]

I usually leave 15 to 20 if it's great service.

Mediocore I would leave 10 percent. If they were really rude I would leave less along with a note why.

The problem here is human nature. There is always that 10 percent of the population (slightly more than that believe Elvis to be alive) that tend to read the Toronto Sun and also tend to walk into restaurants finding an exuse not to tip. Working the this industry for a number of years my personal favorite was, "You seem to be busy in here and Christmas must have come really early for you as you must be walking out of here with at least 200 dollars with all these customers." I would get in a border line angry tone. I would politely respond with "Busy now because it's the lunch hour but then it dies in the afternoon and makes up for the very quiet mornings. I'd say more like $50 in tips is closer to reality." That person sneered at me at left me with some loose change which worked to about 1 or 2 percent. And of course these are the most demanding people around, getting you to get all sorts of things for them such as a bowl of freshly chopped chilli peppers at no charge and a pitcher of water that has a couple of less ice cubes in them.

Much like the Dearsummers of the world that rant and rave about how the Civil Service makes more money then him and how they should all lose their jobs.

[EmperorOfCanada]

Starting to think we need a tipping subforum.

[45ED]

Starting to think we need a tipping subforum.

Yes we do. We need to port every single tipping thread into the tipping subforum.

And you know what the website admins should do next? Lock the subforum from additions/submissions by normal RFD users.

And then the same web admins should have some sort of code that automatically picks up on the words in a thread, and when it detects the word tipping (in tandem with another word, I suppose) the website software should automatically port that thread into the subforum. That way it becomes the RFD blackhole for every tipping thread some genius thinks of creating.

Threads go in. Threads don't go out. Threads don't change. One way.

[chinesedevil]

Always tip 10-12% sometimes more if have spare change or superb service.

[Muney]

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/19357/1656015-1289119_this_thread_again_super.jpg

[Hitman21]

What I don't understand is why people tip for bad service, all your doing is rewarding them for bad behavior

[flashy_mcflash]

*you're

[Rainne]

10% or nothing (rare), exceptions for exceptional circumstances. It's hard to gauge what's an appropriate rate because much of Canada's tipping culture takes from the US, where they apparently have crap hourly wages for servers which isn't necessarily the case here. End result is I avoid eating in as much as possible.

This is true.

US server min wage is like $2.13. They must make at least $7.25 combined. Ontario server min wage is like $8.90. They must make at least $10.25 combined.

To be honest, one tip (10%) from a ($15) bill per hour already puts you above minimum wage.

[ahujie]

I tip 10-15% based on service. I tip on the Pre-tax amount of the bill.

What about other people? Do you tip on pre or post tax amount of the bill?

[Mr.Sea]

I tip 10-15% based on service. I tip on the Pre-tax amount of the bill.

What about other people? Do you tip on pre or post tax amount of the bill?

I don't tip on the bill. I tip on how many trips they had to make to get something for me. If it was their fault, like forgetting to bring me a spoon if I am eating soup, then that doesn't count.

$0.50 per trip is usually enough. 0.50 to bring beverage. 0.50 to bring the meal. Another 0.50 if they refill my drink. $1.50. Doesn't matter if my bill is $150, or $20. if they only serviced my table 3 times, why would that entitle them to more cash?

[stealth]

Why is tips called tips, if it is an acronym for To Insure Proper Service? Why "insure" - are we going to an insurance broker to purchase a proper service policy? If I get s**ty service, can I submit a claim and get compensation for my experiential lost? What dumb fool thought of that? It should be called TEPS, if we really mean "ensure". But it doesn't work out either in practice because 1. it doesn't have a pleasant ring, and 2. The prospect of getting awarded a bonus after the meal is done has not, in general, improved customer service for food patrons. If customers were able to actually ensure proper service by tempting people with money-after-the-fact, we wouldn't have all of these ridiculous tipping threads.

It should really be called taps - To Award Proper Service. That way the bonus at the end of the meal reflects what we actually do - use money to award/acknowledge (proper) service.

Tl:dr

:razz:

[jerrysiz]

Every single time I see one of these tipping threads I'm amazed at how many people out there are cheapskates that lack any understanding of social conventions...then I remember that this is RFD, so neither of these things should really warrant such surprise.

[stealth]

Thread: Do you tip? If not, what are your arguments against tipping?
I'm Tiger Woods, biatch!

[Agafaba]

Every single time I see one of these tipping threads I'm amazed at how many people out there are cheapskates that lack any understanding of social conventions...then I remember that this is RFD, so neither of these things should really warrant such surprise.

Canada is a bit different than the US, our servers are in a much better position financially before tips.

[Toukolou]

*you're
I didn't realize we needed to proofread posts before submitting, glad you're on the job!

I don't tip on the bill. I tip on how many trips they had to make to get something for me. If it was their fault, like forgetting to bring me a spoon if I am eating soup, then that doesn't count.

$0.50 per trip is usually enough. 0.50 to bring beverage. 0.50 to bring the meal. Another 0.50 if they refill my drink. $1.50. Doesn't matter if my bill is $150, or $20. if they only serviced my table 3 times, why would that entitle them to more cash?
This seems like a very logical and efficient way to calculate a tip.

Canada is a bit different than the US, our servers are in a much better position financially before tips.

and you base this on...?

[LostInTruth]

If I can afford to eat out, I can afford to tip.

Pay it forward.

[bman77]

What's the harm in a 15% tip? As long as the server wasn't rude I think it is warranted.

[Agafaba]

I didn't realize we needed to proofread posts before submitting, glad you're on the job!

This seems like a very logical and efficient way to calculate a tip.


and you base this on...?

uhh.... minimum wage? The difference between server minimum wage and minimum for everyone else is $1.50 ish, and as a server if your not taking in $1.50 worth of tips an hour you are either really bad or the business is in trouble.

[Junigenmukyoku]

If I can afford to eat out, I can afford to tip.

Pay it forward.

I know. If you guys don't like tipping, don't eat at places where you have to tip. I can't believe how people can complain about tipping when there are other places where they can eat without having to tip.

[LostInTruth]

What's the harm in a 15% tip? As long as the server wasn't rude I think it is warranted.

I'll admit, I usually do still tip (maybe slightly lower) even with a not-so-great server. Reason being is that we all have our share of bad days (+ you can leave a negative review and then get a free appetizer or delighter the next time :cheesygri ) Now, if I received the same rude service twice then I would not tip or continue to go there. Generally, I can tell when someone is stressed or the overall atmosphere is just bitter (hello most Sunrise locations! - but that doesn't count as eating out).

[Agafaba]

I know. If you guys don't like tipping, don't eat at places where you have to tip. I can't believe how people can complain about tipping when there are other places where they can eat without having to tip.

I somehow doubt that servers would rather lose lots of business over possibly not getting a tip (or a very good tip). Minimum server wage is better than welfare.

[Aznsilvrboy]

My tipping policy is 10%, it's either 10% or nothing. I give nothing if they are particularly bad. I typically still tip even if they are just so-so.

[sweeper]

I know. If you guys don't like tipping, don't eat at places where you have to tip. I can't believe how people can complain about tipping when there are other places where they can eat without having to tip.

I've been to AYCE Buffets where you service yourself (Mandarin style food stations, you dispose of your own dishes on a gurney, etc) and waiters expect a tip. WTF.

[Phoenix3434]

I tip so that I don't get spit on food the next time I go to same restaurant.

That is all.

I couldn't really care how much they make - my motives are purely selfish.

[windforcexx28]

I hate the places with the service charges. I usually end up giving them less than I normally would without the service charge. I usually tip 10-15%.

[sweeper]

I hate the places with the service charges. I usually end up giving them less than I normally would without the service charge. I usually tip 10-15%.

Isn't that illegal? I've been to a couple of them and the people I go with tip in ADDITION to the service charge. When I refuse to put any more money in they portray me as if my moral compass is going haywire. At that point I just let them throw their money away.

[medalgo]

it might be shocking to some but I go to restaurants for the food :confused: good service is expected but as long as you're not rude I'm fine

I usually tip ~10% and leave whatever pennies/nickels/dimes are left, 15% if the service was either efficient/fast or the staff was generally polite and/or attentive

I actually don't like it when waitors/waitresses askes you "if everything is ok" every 5-10 minutes, especially when I'm in the middle of conversation or have my mouth full, it's just unnecessary, then when i actually need them they disappear on you

i also get a little ticked off when tips are automatically added, I believe it's really only there to rip off those that don't scan the bill, there were a few instances where I really enjoyed the meal and would've tipped at least 15% but once I saw the 10-12% being automatically added (ftr was not in a large group, just 2) I paid what they wanted and didn't leave anything else

anyway, the only time I didn't tip was when I bought a sushi deal thing on RFD, place had a special menu with inflated prices, food quality was poor and I had to kill a small cockroach running around on the table (should've walked out), but RFD refunded me the group deal and I didn't get sick so I guess it was ok

[Rainne]

uhh.... minimum wage? The difference between server minimum wage and minimum for everyone else is $1.50 ish, and as a server if your not taking in $1.50 worth of tips an hour you are either really bad or the business is in trouble.

^^^

Seriouslyy

Waiters/waitresses in the US make $2.13/hr before tips, that's why 15-20% is expected there.

Servers are biased by nature. They give better/best service to people who they think will tip well. Best: Guys on a date, middle aged corporate men, police officers/firemen. Worst: You can fill in the blank here

[SoBored]

i tip 15%, sometimes 20%, but i hate it for mostly just one reason -

a server who works in a lower-end establishment like a diner or something get's tips that are much smaller then a server who works in a high-end restaurant, not because the one in a high-end restaurant works harder or better, but just because the cost of the food is so much more, which creates a major discrepancy - are we paying for the waiter's service or are we paying based on what restaurant we are in?

[TheRealVinsanity]

I usually tip between 10%-15% depending on the service that night.

[Rainne]

i tip 15%, sometimes 20%, but i hate it for mostly just one reason -

a server who works in a lower-end establishment like a diner or something get's tips that are much smaller then a server who works in a high-end restaurant, not because the one in a high-end restaurant works harder or better, but just because the cost of the food is so much more, which creates a major discrepancy - are we paying for the waiter's service or are we paying based on what restaurant we are in?

^ This too.

[stealth]

^^^

Seriouslyy

Waiters/waitresses in the US make $2.13/hr before tips, that's why 15-20% is expected there.

Servers are biased by nature. They give better/best service to people who they think will tip well. Best: Guys on a date, middle aged corporate men, police officers/firemen. Worst: You can fill in the blank here

Only in some states, not all. Many receive the federal or state minimum wage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._minimum_wages

[Hitman21]

^^^

Seriouslyy

Waiters/waitresses in the US make $2.13/hr before tips, that's why 15-20% is expected there.

Servers are biased by nature. They give better/best service to people who they think will tip well. Best: Guys on a date, middle aged corporate men, police officers/firemen. Worst: You can fill in the blank here

Who are the worst?

[aaronl3e7]

10-15% for average service
15-20% for excellent service

I personally don't believe in tipping someone for doing their job, but tipping nowadays is just "good manners" so I do it anyways. I went to a Moxies, where the waitress basically insulted me the entire night, I still left her a 10% tip.

I know a guy who tips 50% on average, wherever he goes people seem to know him and the earth seems to move for him. I went to an East Side Mario's with him and some friends and he tipped 100% :| .

[stealth]

Who are the worst?

He left it blank so a racist comment can be inserted there ;) its the newest trend on RFD "saying it without saying it", so as to be cute, without getting banned.

IMO, young people (school age, HS, Uni) would be the worst tippers generally, for the obvious reason of having little cash and lots of ignorance.

[Kingmoo]

I tip. I tip well. But I don't like it

It's an old barbaric ritual, not unlike holding doors open for people.

[UrbanPoet]

Give them 10-15% depending on their service and call it a day!!!

I'll give them 10% if they are average... e.g. take your order, and check up once n the middle, once at the end when it looks like you're almost done. This is usually the typical type service.


I'll give 15% if they refill my water without asking and check up a few times.

I'll give up to 20% if they tell me funny jokes, compliment me, give me food/drink advice or they are very cheerful & energetic. But thats only if they satisfy all of the above! But usually servers who do that usually do satisfy the above requirements anyways because they know what good customer service is.

[stealth]

I tip. I tip well. But I don't like it

It's an old barbaric ritual, not unlike holding doors open for people.

lol...those damn barbarians, they were always going around tipping ppl and holding doors open for them!:lol:

I honestly have never heard that word used in this context before.

[Rainne]

10-15% for average service
15-20% for excellent service

I personally don't believe in tipping someone for doing their job, but tipping nowadays is just "good manners" so I do it anyways. I went to a Moxies, where the waitress basically insulted me the entire night, I still left her a 10% tip.

I know a guy who tips 50% on average, wherever he goes people seem to know him and the earth seems to move for him. I went to an East Side Mario's with him and some friends and he tipped 100% :| .

^

It's not unusual. If you're a regular and you always tip well, waiters/waitresses basically fight for you.

Money talks.

[NorthYorker]

a server who works in a lower-end establishment like a diner or something get's tips that are much smaller then a server who works in a high-end restaurant, not because the one in a high-end restaurant works harder or better, but just because the cost of the food is so much more However, the higher-priced establishment tend to have less patrons per waiter, which somewhat soften the blow. On top of that, I've heard that majority of higher-end places have a custom of paying kitchen's salaries out of waiters' tips, which decreases amount of monies available to a server even more.

I tip 15% for an average service here, 18% Stateside, just because that's expected amount in the system, where owners don't pay servers. Average job deserves average salary.

[ghostryder]

uhh.... minimum wage? The difference between server minimum wage and minimum for everyone else is $1.50 ish, and as a server if your not taking in $1.50 worth of tips an hour you are either really bad or the business is in trouble.


Outside of ON, QC and BC there is no difference in minimum wage. Servers get the same as everyone else. Frankly in AB & SK most servers are making > minimum anyway. Otherwise you can't hang on to decent staff.


BTW I thought the difference in ON was only $1.30? BC is only $0.75 IIRC.

[Agafaba]

Outside of ON, QC and BC there is no difference in minimum wage. Servers get the same as everyone else. Frankly in AB & SK most servers are making > minimum anyway. Otherwise you can't hang on to decent staff.


BTW I thought the difference in ON was only $1.30? BC is only $0.75 IIRC.

I had the page up earlier, but I didnt feel like bringing it up again because I knew I could overestimate the difference and still make my point. I didnt realize that it was the same in some provinces though, putting servers into an even better position compared to the US than I thought.