16-year-old rants to a camera how everyone in her Brampton high school “is brown"

[gh05t]

16-year-old rants to a camera about how everyone in her Brampton high school “is brown,’’ equates “turbans’’ with “terrorists,’’

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1163235--teen-truly-regrets-making-racist-video-dad-says?bn=1#article



Is this really depression or how many whites feel in Canada?

I'm sure this is going to spark lots of controversy and heighten emotions on a grand scale.

[Insider]

girl is ignorant. look at her damn sharpie eyebrows too.

[feelthedeal]

I guess she didn't see the video of the UCLA girl who ripped on Asians....and the backlash it caused

[AV-Fishing]

HAHAHA .. if she doesn't like it ... she can move up to Thunder Bay or stay in the woods with some bears in Algonquin ...

[sedated_xtc]

The way she talked made me feel like she had some issues, but yeah, not an excuse for being blatantly hateful and ignorant.

[kingrukus]

it is no surprise that brampton is essentially a monoculture, but this girl is an idiot. guess she doesn't realise that all whites are immigrants to canada as well.

at least she will get her wish of not having to be around brown people anymore... because the only place she won't get murdered will be up in the north west territories.

[r1lee]

lol... i hope she didn't just move to Brampton and realized this.

[the_fm]

:facepalm:

i guess some people didn't get the memo: do not put something on the internet that will bite you in the arse later

[NorthYorker]

1. The girl is not the brightest bulb, to put it mildly.
2. It does look like she was training "intonations" for her drama class :)
3. In all fairness, she did not say anything ethnic kids of her age not saying about "Canadians" in their native languages.

[ishfish]

16 year olds are impulsive, dramatic and never close to as bright as they think they are.

Was this because she was blamming others for her being left out socially or something? I cant' watch the video as my kiddos are here.

[Rehan]

I'm surprised it took this long for the topic to get to RFD. :razz:

Anyway, some of the backlash against the girl is really stupid. Enlighten her, don't abuse her. She's just a kid and has a lot to learn...she's not going to learn anything positive if people stoop to an even lower level.

[ishfish]

Anyway, some of the backlash against the girl is really stupid. Enlighten her, don't abuse her. She's just a kid and has a lot to learn...she's not going to learn anything positive if people stoop to an even lower level.

I completely agree.

[NEMESIS_2008]

With that vid on the verge of going viral, I don't see her living past a month tops.

[AV-Fishing]

1. The girl is not the brightest bulb, to put it mildly.
2. It does look like she was training "intonations" for her drama class :)
3. In all fairness, she did not say anything ethnic kids of her age not saying about "Canadians" in their native languages.

I had to take this chance ...

She is "brighter" (literally) than the rest ...

hahahaha

[Xpwmata]

I didn't watch the video, as this girl is quite ugly..

Question though, is this the type of story the Toronto Star normally publishes and reports on?


I could understand if it was a person of some prominence who made these racist remarks but who cares what some 16-year old teenage nobody spews from her large gullet? I'm pretty sure everyone is aware uneducated, ignorant people still exist.


I guess this is the type of story that piles up the AdSense advertising pennies for the Toronto Star. hahaha

[hugh_da_man]

Someone already jumped her and people are making death threats? Way to show the class of the people involved...it's a teenage girl who doesn't know what she's saying and people are threatening to kill her over it.

Stupid comments by her but by overreacting people are making their culture look bad.

[Lucky0810]

I'm surprised it took this long for the topic to get to RFD. :razz:

Anyway, some of the backlash against the girl is really stupid. Enlighten her, don't abuse her. She's just a kid and has a lot to learn...she's not going to learn anything positive if people stoop to an even lower level.

I personally don't think a 16 year old is "just a kid."

[ishfish]

Someone already jumped her and people are making death threats? Way to show the class of the people involved...it's a teenage girl who doesn't know what she's saying and people are threatening to kill her over it.


Some people love drama and hysteria at the expense of exercising their brains.

[Lucky0810]

Someone already jumped her and people are making death threats? Way to show the class of the people involved...it's a teenage girl who doesn't know what she's saying and people are threatening to kill her over it.

Stupid comments by her but by overreacting people are making their culture look bad.

How does a person voluntarily say something and at the same time not "know what she's saying?" I'm pretty sure she knew exactly what she was saying and it seemed that was expressing how she felt.

[Rehan]

I personally don't think a 16 year old is "just a kid." Wait a couple decades and your perspective may change. :D

[danfromwaterloo]

16-year-old rants to a camera about how everyone in her Brampton high school “is brown,’’ equates “turbans’’ with “terrorists,’’

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1163235--teen-truly-regrets-making-racist-video-dad-says?bn=1#article



Is this really depression or how many whites feel in Canada?

I'm sure this is going to spark lots of controversy and heighten emotions on a grand scale.

Brampton is brown. Very brown. But the whole linking of the turbans and terrorists was in very bad taste indeed.

[kingrukus]

I'm surprised it took this long for the topic to get to RFD. :razz:

Anyway, some of the backlash against the girl is really stupid. Enlighten her, don't abuse her. She's just a kid and has a lot to learn...she's not going to learn anything positive if people stoop to an even lower level.

I agree, I actually feel sorry for her.

[Lucky0810]

Wait a couple decades and your perspective may change. :D

Or it may not. :)

[ishfish]

I agree, I actually feel sorry for her.

...and her family too.

[ishfish]

Or it may not. :)

Oh, that would be an indicator of lack of growth.

And it will.

[CSK'sMom]

Wait a couple decades and your perspective may change. :D

And this is where a thanks button would come in handy! ;)


Or it may not. :)

As the frontal lobe of the brain develops into the early and mid twenties, yep it probably will. ;) Teens have a biological reason for doing things like this as the frontal lobe is responsible for things like reasoning, impulse control, etc. Unfortunately, nothing but time and natural maturation of the brain "cures" teens, LOL!

[nyik]

Her "arguments" made no sense. Is this how kids these days talk? What ideas is she trying to express by saying "c'mon, seriously, man, *pout*"?

For a 16 y.o. kid, her "rant" was not substantial and coherent.

At least with the UCLA rant, there was some substance and grammatically correct sentences.

I'm not sure if this incident reflects on society still not fully grasping multiculturalism, but this could be an isolated incident.

Like others have posted, educate her, not throw backlash.

[Thai]

I can't get over the eyebrows. She should use that in her defense. If she had normal eyebrows then maybe her rant would be taken more seriously.

[Rehan]

Best follow-up (from a Puuuuuunjabi, of course):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2bwpc-aR-A

That's still a bit offensive towards her, though.

[hugh_da_man]

How does a person voluntarily say something and at the same time not "know what she's saying?" I'm pretty sure she knew exactly what she was saying and it seemed that was expressing how she felt.

She's a kid who didn't understand the gravity of her comments. I'm not saying anything she said was right or not stupid but she's a kid and doesn't understand that her comments are going to cause hurt feelings. It goes a long way towards showing the nature of some people when the response to the comments of a kid would be death threats to her and her family.

imo, that's as big of a story as her comments are...there are people who would threaten a kid's life over insensitive comments...that's not the Canada I know.

[manmanny]

She's a kid who didn't understand the gravity of her comments. I'm not saying anything she said was right or not stupid but she's a kid and doesn't understand that her comments are going to cause hurt feelings. It goes a long way towards showing the nature of some people when the response to the comments of a kid would be death threats to her and her family.

imo, that's as big of a story as her comments are...there are people who would threaten a kid's life over insensitive comments...that's not the Canada I know.

Bad comments by the Kid. She didn't realize the impact. The worst thing is she did on Net. That's like will be there for ever. I believe her that she or he family is not racist. But anybody threatens her life for these comments has to be racist or idiot.

Bad call kid.

[flashy_mcflash]

I don't approve of threatening her life over these comments in any way, but how would that make the person threatening her a racist?

[Muney]

I don't approve of threatening her life over these comments in any way, but how would that make the person threatening her a racist?

It wouldnt make them racist, it would make them a terrorist.

j/k

[divx]

there are racist people everywhere, this is nothing new, I suppose it's a big deal since she posted online.

[tebore]

Bad comments by the Kid. She didn't realize the impact. The worst thing is she did on Net. That's like will be there for ever. I believe her that she or he family is not racist. But anybody threatens her life for these comments has to be racist or idiot.

Bad call kid.

Wow...

Just

Wow...

:facepalm:

[DearSummer]

Kids say far more ignorant things than this all the time. It's just a product of the world we live in where everything is recorded and broadcasted. Chalk it up as a learning experience for the kid and likely other kids who watch the ensuing aftermath of this situation.

[manmanny]

Wow...

Just

Wow...

:facepalm:

Likewise kid.

[flamez1000]

What she did was really stupid, do people not think of consequences before doing something nowadays? I heard she went to Turner Fenton and has since been expelled. She ruined her life for nothing.

What irks me the most is that she's SO ignorant. Most "brown" people in Brampton are Sikh. She makes reference to Bengalis, Muslims, tons of other "brown" ethnicities in her video and clumps them all together as if they're all the same. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME! Sikhs ≠ Muslims ≠ Arabs ≠ Tamils, or any other "brown" people. How can you live in a multicultural country like Canada and not know that? I'm not European, but that doesn't mean I have to be ignorant about Europe. I know a lot of European history and the different nationalities, cultures, religions, and languages there. Europe is so vast and so different, you can't just clump everyone together and call them "white". Somebody who is German isn't the same as somebody who is, say, Polish.

Just my 2 cents.

[djino]

LMAO! Chit, that is the high school I went too (Turner Fenton Secondary)! When I went there a decade ago, I'd say 60% of the population was "brown" lol, I wonder if that has increased.

djino
"Interesting!"

[manmanny]

What she did was really stupid, do people not think of consequences before doing something nowadays? I heard she went to Turner Fenton and has since been expelled. She ruined her life for nothing.

What irks me the most is that she's SO ignorant. Most "brown" people in Brampton are Sikh. She makes reference to Bengalis, Muslims, tons of other "brown" ethnicities in her video and clumps them all together as if they're all the same. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME! Sikhs ≠ Muslims ≠ Arabs ≠ Tamils, or any other "brown" people. How can you live in a multicultural country like Canada and not know that? I'm not European, but that doesn't mean I have to be ignorant about Europe. I know a lot of European history and the different nationalities, cultures, religions, and languages there. Europe is so vast and so different, you can't just clump everyone together and call them "white". Somebody who is German isn't the same as somebody who is, say, Polish.

Just my 2 cents.
You are correct. But many don't know. really they don't know.

[Rainne]

Complaining that a Brampton high school has too many "brown" people is like saying Richmond Hill/Markham is too "Asian".

[Syne]

Just to play devil's advocate for a minute here..

I find it somewhat ironic that people are criticizing her for not embracing multi-culturalism. What's so multi-cultural about brown people all huddling in the same enclave? You want to experience Canada, then don't all move to Brampton. Spread out FFS.

At least white people don't need to be rubbing elbows with each other all the time to feel comfortable. Sure, they may want to see a fellow white person once in a while just to know that they still exist, but it's not mandatory to live in an all-white enclave. What's everyone else's excuse?

[r1lee]

Complaining that a Brampton high school has too many "brown" people is like saying Richmond Hill/Markham is too "Asian".

what too many Asian's in Richmond Hill/Markham? Damn.. that's another place i need to cross off.

[Dina_E]

Just to play devil's advocate for a minute here..

I find it somewhat ironic that people are criticizing her for not embracing multi-culturalism. What's so multi-cultural about brown people all huddling in the same enclave? You want to experience Canada, then don't all move to Brampton. Spread out FFS.

At least white people don't need to be rubbing elbows with each other all the time to feel comfortable. Sure, they may want to see a fellow white person once in a while just to know that they still exist, but it's not mandatory to live in an all-white enclave. What's everyone else's excuse?

so what do you call cities like thunder-bay, sarnia, sault st. marie??

why is that when you have bunch of non-whites in an area its a ghetto but when its all white its 'normal'?

[NorthYorker]

white people don't need to be rubbing elbows with each other all the time to feel comfortable.But they do! There're Italian, Greek, Polish, Russian, Jewish, Portuguese neighborhoods, Toronto used to have an Irish one...

[Kohanz]

At least white people don't need to be rubbing elbows with each other all the time to feel comfortable. Sure, they may want to see a fellow white person once in a while just to know that they still exist, but it's not mandatory to live in an all-white enclave. What's everyone else's excuse?

http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/8/d/8de09-NotSureIfSerious.jpg

[Syne]

so what do you call cities like thunder-bay, sarnia, sault st. marie??

Places where non-white people refuse to live.

If I move to China, am I going to find remarkable all the Chinese on the mainland, when I choose to live in Hong Kong?


why is that when you have bunch of non-whites in an area its a ghetto but when its all white its 'normal'?

'Normal' is relative to the native population. I don't think that non-white neighbourhoods are ghettos. I think that unkempt, ratty-looking neighbourhoods are, regardless of its inhabitants.

[r1lee]

At least white people don't need to be rubbing elbows with each other all the time to feel comfortable. Sure, they may want to see a fellow white person once in a while just to know that they still exist, but it's not mandatory to live in an all-white enclave. What's everyone else's excuse?

I'm not so sure about that. A lot of italians were moving away from woodbridge since the Viet's, Blacks and other cultures were moving in.

And i'm sure that is also one of the reason's why the caucasians are staying away from Brampton.

[r1lee]

'Normal' is relative to the native population. I don't think that non-white neighbourhoods are ghettos. I think that unkempt, ratty-looking neighbourhoods are, regardless of its inhabitants.

Most europeans/white neighbourhoods have wonderful looking landscaping and lawns. They care for their homes as an extension of them. Not so much with immigrants, where a home is a place to live and that's it.

so I can see why they might refer to certain parts as the "ghetto".

[congeetime]

I wonder if she went back to her highschool. She clearly has some sort of mental disorder and I don't mean that in a dissing way.
IMO, this one is worse than the ucla one.

[Syne]

But they do! There're Italian, Greek, Polish, Russian, Jewish, Portuguese neighborhoods, Toronto used to have an Irish one...

I meant in general, but I don't support any of those either. All are equally guilty of self-segregation. My problem is not racial, it's in the attitudes of people who feel this neurotic impulse to narcissistically surround themselves with mirror images and carbon copies. This 'cultural mosaic' crap is just an excuse to self-segregate. At least the US has a cultural identity that people are forced to recognize before moving there.

We don't command any respect from immigrants and it clearly shows when we see immigrants trashing the CBC and complaining about taxes before they've even planted roots.

[neutral]

Just to play devil's advocate for a minute here..

I find it somewhat ironic that people are criticizing her for not embracing multi-culturalism. What's so multi-cultural about brown people all huddling in the same enclave? You want to experience Canada, then don't all move to Brampton. Spread out FFS.

At least white people don't need to be rubbing elbows with each other all the time to feel comfortable. Sure, they may want to see a fellow white person once in a while just to know that they still exist, but it's not mandatory to live in an all-white enclave. What's everyone else's excuse?

Lies, and the lying liars that tell them.

[r1lee]

I meant in general, but I don't support any of those either. All are equally guilty of self-segregation. My problem is not racial, it's in the attitudes of people who feel this neurotic impulse to narcissistically surround themselves with mirror images and carbon copies. This 'cultural mosaic' crap is just an excuse to self-segregate. At least the US has a cultural identity that people are forced to recognize before moving there.

We don't command any respect from immigrants and it clearly shows when we see immigrants trashing the CBC and complaining about taxes before they've even planted roots.

so are you saying all Chinese people look the same? and now have extended that to Indians, blacks and others? lol kidding.

here we go again with the whole "your roots" are so much more important then others. Let's leave the CBC talk out of this as it has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

[neutral]

I meant in general, but I don't support any of those either. All are equally guilty of self-segregation. My problem is not racial, it's in the attitudes of people who feel this neurotic impulse to narcissistically surround themselves with mirror images and carbon copies. This 'cultural mosaic' crap is just an excuse to self-segregate. At least the US has a cultural identity that people are forced to recognize before moving there.

We don't command any respect from immigrants and it clearly shows when we see immigrants trashing the CBC and complaining about taxes before they've even planted roots.

The trashing of the CBC is irrelevant, but that's supported by those on the right politically, still majority white. As for your nonsense about ethnic enclaves, once again, it is the desire of whites to live apart that helps fuel this happening. As far as I know, anyone is free to live in Brampton. There are places in Canada where a minority will face violence or the threat of violence if they move into a predominantly white area. GTFOH

[flashy_mcflash]

What the christ, Syne? Your 'argument', such as it is, presumes that there aren't any brown people (or other visible minorities), or large swaths of them, in other areas of the GTA than Brampton, which is patently, provably false. When DINA_E is the voice of reason against your posts, you really need to give your head a shake man.

[matdwyer]

While I think what she did was completely wrong, I have to wonder if the same "fuss" would be had if a brown person made this rant in a high school in Bracebridge. I really don't think so.

(Taking away the terrorist crap, which of course is ridiculous)

[neutral]

While I think what she did was completely wrong, I have to wonder if the same "fuss" would be had if a brown person made this rant in a high school in Bracebridge. I really don't think so.

(Taking away the terrorist crap, which of course is ridiculous)

Why take away the terrorist crap? Had her rant taken on a more moderate tone, she wouldn't have received the same amount of backlash either.

[nyik]

Quoted from thestar...



But her father says his daughter is truly sorry she made the video, which is “totally out of character,” and that she has struggled with depression and is now in hospital.

“She has some challenges,’’ said her father.


Not sure what those "challenges" are...

[flamez1000]

Why take away the terrorist crap? Had her rant taken on a more moderate tone, she wouldn't have received the same amount of backlash either.

Agreed. If she ranted about there being a lot of brown people in Brampton, it wouldnt be such a big prob - we all know its true. Its because she went on to connect all brown people to terrorism and smelling bad that people are offended.

[eudaii]

i almost choked on a Pocky when i saw her eyebrows

[bman77]

Hahaha, this chick is about my age and just by looking at her I can tell she isn't a "cool kid" at her school. I'm 3/4 white, 1/4 west indian (brown) and I don't take offence to this. It's honestly funny as hell. More in a laugh at her (not with her) way though. What a loser she is though to post that, haha

[Kohanz]

What the christ, Syne? Your 'argument', such as it is, presumes that there aren't any brown people (or other visible minorities), or large swaths of them, in other areas of the GTA than Brampton, which is patently, provably false. When DINA_E is the voice of reason against your posts, you really need to give your head a shake man.

:lol: +1 so true.

[Singh_21]

Apart from the terrorist crap, what she said has been posted by various different individuals here on Rfd in brampton threads. Mostly by people that have been part of the 'white flight'. Maybe they are insecure being a minority now in Brampton. Demographics change with immigration and they will change even more in the coming years.

[spike1128]

I am quite surprised the mods didn't get this thread by now.

You know what Brampton should be called "Brownton". J/k.

I think we had a thread about this not long ago. I think the general population in Brampton are 3rd world farmers who abuse the immigration system of Canada, and the entire village moved here to exploit Canada. That's why we have all these unfriendly acts in Brampton, such as :parking dodgy vehicle illegally and damaging other people beautiful cars, ripping off insurance by deliberately crash into people (look at insurance scams/fake clinics mostly in Brampton), etc...

By the way, I don't share the same view as that 16 year old. She is hating on the people because of really stupid reasons / blind hate. In the meantime, most of us are just disgusted by her act. We also are disgusted by some of the population of Brampton, because they are the worst scammers around. All the reasons why not only white dislike Brampton. Other minorities will gladly move out of Brampton, because it's so ghetto. Not to mention it cost an arm and a leg to insure a car in Brampton.

[divx]

Just to play devil's advocate for a minute here..

I find it somewhat ironic that people are criticizing her for not embracing multi-culturalism. What's so multi-cultural about brown people all huddling in the same enclave? You want to experience Canada, then don't all move to Brampton. Spread out FFS.

At least white people don't need to be rubbing elbows with each other all the time to feel comfortable. Sure, they may want to see a fellow white person once in a while just to know that they still exist, but it's not mandatory to live in an all-white enclave. What's everyone else's excuse?

you know who else hates multi-culturalism? Anders Behring Breivik.

[Marcanadian]

The 'go back to your country' comment is really ignorant, since most of the students stated they were actually born in Canada. People often forget that Whites are immigrants as well.

[dakota2001]

"Students at Brampton’s Turner Fenton Secondary School told the Star Tuesday that the teen had been jumped the day before by another student. Teachers had to call police to escort her from the school safely, the students said."

Not defending her, as the comments were completely uncalled for, but possibility of depression, anger, frustration, maybe even a mental break down (at some points she reminds me of a whacked out Anna Nicole Smith) could be a factor here.
I believe the father when he says that she was not raised racist. Just listen how she speaks, she is asking for more White people, yet trying to talk in a more urban slang style for example: the teeth kissing, and trying to homey up her vocab. Not quite sure she knows who she is, and just can't figure out how to fit in in her new surroundings
Just think she is a very confused, and sad girl, and could use some serious professional help before she does something worse. (mostly to herself)

[djemzine]

One thing I don't like, is racist people, but to be ignorant is a totally different thing. Like seriously, ugh.

[neutral]

"Students at Brampton’s Turner Fenton Secondary School told the Star Tuesday that the teen had been jumped the day before by another student. Teachers had to call police to escort her from the school safely, the students said."

Not defending her, as the comments were completely uncalled for, but possibility of depression, anger, frustration, maybe even a mental break down (at some points she reminds me of a whacked out Anna Nicole Smith) could be a factor here.
I believe the father when he says that she was not raised racist. Just listen how she speaks, she is asking for more White people, yet trying to talk in a more urban slang style for example: the teeth kissing, and trying to homey up her vocab. Not quite sure she knows who she is, and just can't figure out how to fit in in her new surroundings
Just think she is a very confused, and sad girl, and could use some serious professional help before she does something worse. (mostly to herself)

Unfortunately there isn't much she can do about the notoriety. Hopefully people allow the school to handle it. Unfortunately some people believe it is ok to be vigilantes in situations where it isn't needed or warranted.

[Mark77]

I don't see the big deal. If this is the face of racism in Canada, a mere video on Youtube by a not-so-convincing, almost "brown" herself person, then we should all consider ourselves very lucky that we don't really have much of a racism problem.

[neutral]

I don't see the big deal. If this is the face of racism in Canada, a mere video on Youtube by a not-so-convincing, almost "brown" herself person, then we should all consider ourselves very lucky that we don't really have much of a racism problem.

A lot of people would like to pretend that is the extent of racism in Canada.

[Siskie]

While I think the video is stupid I think the Toronto Star goes to great lengths to start "race wars" in the city of Toronto.

Funny that they didn't pick up this article from the Ottawa Citizen


Kirk Munroe and his family lived at the Carling Family Shelter for months last year while waiting for a public housing unit to call their own. Munroe grew frustrated with the wait after immigrant families at the shelter were offered public housing in only a “matter of weeks.”

In his application to Ontario’s human-rights tribunal, Munroe quoted an Ottawa public housing manager as saying “whites have less chance of getting a home and they have to stay in shelters longer than immigrants new to Canada.”

The tribunal heard that the quick turnaround time for immigrants was in “distinct contrast to the experience of white Canadian families” at the shelter, including his own, who had to wait months for housing.

Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Immigrants+priority+over+white+Canadians+Ottawa+pu blic+housing+human+rights+complaint+alleges/6462980/story.html#ixzz1sQmcRO7s

[zz000ter]

Where is the link to the YouTube video?

We know that she is angry
We know that she is REACTING

My question is why is she reacting this way?
She is not happy for a reason.

Maybe she feels excluded?

You need to dig deeper.

Racism comes in all colors of the rainbow.
Maybe she is the victim of brown against white racism

[Nettles]

When I was a kid, I thought that racism wouldn't be a huge deal in the future and it would go away because our generation is too cool. Then I thought that okay, prejudice will always exist but at least racism will be almost non-existant.

Now however, I'm not sure because there are still so many racists from our younger generation and it's still quite common even amongst youth in places like East Europe (or even France for that matter) or in places like Brampton where kids from one culture clash from another or in the US. The one positive is that there are more people who fight against it though I'm not sure if there are less who are actually racist.

Girl seems stupid but at least she regrets it and her father was classy enough to apologize and explain as well.

[Mark77]

A lot of people would like to pretend that is the extent of racism in Canada.

Yeah, and I highly doubt it is. But seriously, this is laughable. She's no Hitler. Nobody should take a relatively unnattractive and poorly spoken 16-year-old, in some grainy Youtube video seriously. Kinda shows the immigrant community's true colours if its members are directing threats against an obviously misguided person such as herself.

[ishfish]

We know that she is angry
We know that she is REACTING

My question is why is she reacting this way?
She is not happy for a reason.

Maybe she feels excluded?

You need to dig deeper.

Racism comes in all colors of the rainbow.
Maybe she is the victim of brown against white racism

I had similar thoughts. There really is not enough information - which is fair as she and her family need to control her privacy.

[Lawcheehung]

Where is the link to the YouTube video?

We know that she is angry
We know that she is REACTING

My question is why is she reacting this way?
She is not happy for a reason.

Maybe she feels excluded?

You need to dig deeper.

Racism comes in all colors of the rainbow.
Maybe she is the victim of brown against white racism

Good points, we need some context here.

http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/emuweb/salt.jpg

[Kohanz]

Where is the link to the YouTube video?

We know that she is angry
We know that she is REACTING

My question is why is she reacting this way?
She is not happy for a reason.

Maybe she feels excluded?

You need to dig deeper.

Racism comes in all colors of the rainbow.
Maybe she is the victim of brown against white racism

There is not always profound meaning in the actions of 16 year-olds.

[Nettles]

Hahah on this girl's youtube channel, her favourite videos are Drake/Beiber/Jay-Z, enough said, can't take her seriously....also, why does she talk like that? But even if it is mild, it does show that there's a problem that still exists in our society because there are other kids like her.


What's so multi-cultural about brown people all huddling in the same enclave? You want to experience Canada, then don't all move to Brampton. Spread out FFS.

That's where the jobs are though, they have a better chance of getting hired I guess. It's very similar to how between 1900 and the 1920's in Toronto, Italians would move to The Annex because that's where their boarding houses or jobs were and East Europeans would move to other East European neighbourhoods, really no different and it's sort of a shame but it's the reality....they're more accepted in certain parts of the country than others so that's why you have Chinese or Indian enclaves.

Anyways, on a light note, I thought this response to her was funny:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93bSFQYW_DA

[Kohanz]

Yeah, and I highly doubt it is. But seriously, this is laughable. She's no Hitler. Nobody should take a relatively unnattractive and poorly spoken 16-year-old, in some grainy Youtube video seriously. Kinda shows the immigrant community's true colours if its members are directing threats against an obviously misguided person such as herself.

So... don't read much into the actions of this girl (I agree), but interpret the actions of a few nuts (who knows if those giving the death threats were immigrants or not) as indicative of the "true colours" of the immigrant community?

[EmperorOfCanada]

Yeah, and I highly doubt it is. But seriously, this is laughable. She's no Hitler. Nobody should take a relatively unnattractive and poorly spoken 16-year-old, in some grainy Youtube video seriously. Kinda shows the immigrant community's true colours if its members are directing threats against an obviously misguided person such as herself.

A big problem is if the people she was ranting about hold it against her and treat her poorly because of it, it will only strengthen any racist beliefs she has.. better they just ignore her and let her grow up in time.

[ishfish]

There is not always profound meaning in the actions of 16 year-olds.

I don't think ZZ000TER was looking for profound meaning...more of a "What is behind all the emotion?"

[Siskie]

Anyways, on a light note, I thought this response to her was funny:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93bSFQYW_DA

And here come the race wars. This girl is no worse than the first video that was posted. She is making fun of the other girl's "eye brows" yet the perfect 90 degree angle of her own eye brows look like someone put a square felt patch between her eyes and ripped away.

[Kohanz]

I don't think ZZ000TER was looking for profound meaning...more of a "What is behind all the emotion?"

Yes, and I'm implying the quest for trying to understand the emotional state of a 16-year old girl is not going to be an enlightening one.

Maybe she had an encounter as a youngster that shaped her racial beliefs or maybe there was a brown guy at school that rejected her advances. Perhaps she wishes that her class looked more like the one in Glee. The possibilities and endless and mind-numbing.

[hugh_da_man]

Yeah all the "reaction" videos are pretty stupid. People mocking the eyebrows of a 16 year old girl when they don't look much better themselves. Let's discuss and try to turn a bad situation into a learning lesson instead of just lowering ourselves to the level of the original video.

All that's going to happen is the video's comments will be filled with negative comments and more racially themed fights with ensue.

[Junigenmukyoku]

Why would she even think of uploading a video of her racist thoughts without thinking about the consequences is beyond me, especially when living in a city with a lot of brown people. But I don't like this mob-mentality reaction from some of the idiots in the community though. Her father has apologized, let it go people, she's just 16. I'm sure she'll learn from this mistake.


But her father says his daughter is truly sorry she made the video, which is “totally out of character,” and that she has struggled with depression and is now in hospital.

“She has some challenges,’’ said her father. (The Star has decided not to name the student or her family.)

He wanted to make it plain that he’s very sorry about the content and apologizes on behalf of his family “to anyone who’s been hurt by this video.”

“I’m angry at the content of the video — it’s not who she is as a person or how she was brought up,’’ said her father.

His daughter is definitely not a racist and has non-white friends. “The first thing she said, was ‘Dad, I’m not a racist. I don’t know why I did it. It was stupid,’” said the father, who’s not sure when his daughter made the video and posted it to YouTube.

He says he hasn’t been able to get an answer to why she made the video. “It might have been a cry for help. I don’t know ... an attention-seeking thing. I have no idea.’’

His main concern right now “is to help her with the challenges she’s going through.’’

[spike1128]

And here come the race wars. This girl is no worse than the first video that was posted. She is making fun of the other girl's "eye brows" yet the perfect 90 degree angle of her own eye brows look like someone put a square felt patch between her eyes and ripped away.

Most of us don't really care what the original girl has to say, in additional to this girl. The video will go into youtube history, and it's not going to be a positive on their working careers. It will be a cancer that stays online forever.

Also, at least the brownish girl is prettier than the original girl. LoL

[djemzine]

This thread will eventually get nowhere. Gah!

[ishfish]

This thread will eventually get nowhere. Gah!

I think it has - the stumbling block is that there is not replacement thread you see.

[Siskie]

Most of us don't really care what the original girl has to say, in additional to this girl. The video will go into youtube history, and it's not going to be a positive on their working careers. It will be a cancer that stays online forever.

Also, at least the brownish girl is hotter than the original girl. LoL

You're right. These stupid videos will only hurt the kids who think they are cool. And these girls are underage, not appropriate to be calling them "hot"

[kingfencer]

heh, reminds me of that guy that goes on here and blast brampton... she got jumped, even steven, relax dudes...

[spike1128]

You're right. These stupid videos will only hurt the kids who think they are cool. And these girls are underage, not appropriate to be calling them "hot"

My bad.

[zerg00]

Most of us don't really care what the original girl has to say, in additional to this girl. The video will go into youtube history, and it's not going to be a positive on their working careers. It will be a cancer that stays online forever.

Also, at least the brownish girl is prettier than the original girl. LoL

i agree

[Syne]

You're right. These stupid videos will only hurt the kids who think they are cool. And these girls are underage, not appropriate to be calling them "hot"

16 is age of consent in Ontario.

[canadiankorean]

I meant in general, but I don't support any of those either. All are equally guilty of self-segregation. My problem is not racial, it's in the attitudes of people who feel this neurotic impulse to narcissistically surround themselves with mirror images and carbon copies. This 'cultural mosaic' crap is just an excuse to self-segregate. At least the US has a cultural identity that people are forced to recognize before moving there.

We don't command any respect from immigrants and it clearly shows when we see immigrants trashing the CBC and complaining about taxes before they've even planted roots.

If you moved to Korea, where would you live?
Would you find a neighborhood with whites?
I'm guessing the latter.

[EmperorOfCanada]

16 is age of consent in Ontario.

Lets not turn it into one of 'those' threads. (Not blaming you Syne, your post just happened to be handy to reply to)

[Syne]

Lets not turn it into one of 'those' threads. (Not blaming you Syne, your post just happened to be handy to reply to)

Sure, just pointing it out. It's a common mistake, probably because we get so much US TV here, and especially US crime dramas.

[MrKap]

Haven't seen the video, but this happened in the states recently too. A new media meme?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/21/gainesville-high-school-s_n_1290929.html


After two minors from Gainesville High School in Gainesville, Fla., posted a nearly 14-minute-long racist rant on YouTube, the girls are "no longer students at the school," WCJB-TV reports.

(Scroll for video.)

Last week, eight police officers were brought to the campus in light of death threats the girls were receiving in response to their videos. The videos included comments like, "You can understand what we are saying, our accents, we use actual words. Black people do not."


I sort of have the feeling they are not racist comments, and I have to wonder if the "death threats" were comments written under the video.

How can people take this stuff so seriously? The star says...

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1163235--teen-truly-regrets-making-racist-video-dad-says?bn=1#article


“We take reports like this very seriously,’’ Pereira said. “We expect all students to demonstrate appropriate online conduct and refrain from improper/unethical use of technology while at and away from school. That is the expectation in our schools’ codes of conduct. Students who do not abide by the code will be subject to appropriate progressive discipline.’’



I would have to see the video to better learn if it was hate speech, or if it was just harmless ignorance.

[Simaahoy]

Reminds me of the ucla girl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoLLEZlpUxk

[ishfish]

I would have to see the video to better learn if it was hate speech, or if it was just harmless ignorance.

Neither - teen emotional rant.

[coolspot]

So, if you were given a free house in Brampton, would you live there?

If not, she might have a point.

[dakota2001]

Where is the link to the YouTube video?

We know that she is angry
We know that she is REACTING

My question is why is she reacting this way?
She is not happy for a reason.

Maybe she feels excluded?

You need to dig deeper.

Racism comes in all colors of the rainbow.
Maybe she is the victim of brown against white racism

It says in the original post link that Other students said she had been jumped at school the day before she posted this and that police had to escort her home for her safety.

[MrKap]

Well, as a general rule, if a white person slams white people, it's not racist. If an asian slams an asian, it's not racist. If a black person slams a black person it's not usually seen as racist.

If any ethnicity makes fun of another ethnicity, all hell breaks loose.

So that makes everybody racist.



Reminds me of the ucla girl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoLLEZlpUxk


That one is sort of funny, especially from a political science valley girl who has epiphanies.

[Singh_21]

So, if you were given a free house in Brampton, would you live there?

If not, she might have a point.

So what's your point?

According to the 2011 census, Brampton has the second highest growth rate among Canada’s 50 largest cities. It is the third largest municipality in the Greater Toronto Area, fourth largest in Ontario, and is the ninth largest city in Canada.

[Singh_21]

Well, as a general rule, if a white person slams white people, it's not racist. If an asian slams an asian, it's not racist. If a black person slams a black person it's not usually seen as racist.

If any ethnicity makes fun of another ethnicity, all hell breaks loose.

So that makes everybody racist.





That one is sort of funny, especially from a political science valley girl who has epiphanies.

How can labelling an entire ethinicity as terrorists and telling them to return to their country be seen as just making fun?

The girl is underage but she is dumb, racist and stupid.

The death threats are overrated. It is possibily a tactic used to gain some sympathy. Same happenend in UCLA case.

[MrKap]

How can labelling an entire ethinicity as terrorists and telling them to return to their country be seen as just making fun?

The girl is underage but she is dumb, racist and stupid.

The death threats are overrated. It is possibily a tactic used to gain some sympathy. Same happenend in UCLA case.

Well, I haven't seen the video, so I can't really know.

They shouldn't have taken it down. I can only see a couple of seconds with their face whited out. You are probably right about "tactic" to gain sympathy. Anything that amplifies racism just makes everyone crazy.



The girl is underage but she is dumb, racist and stupid.

Hey, she could have thick dark black circles under her eyes, indicating some sort of depression, or the comments could be totally harmless. They might even be funny. We will never know the truth.

So how anyone take it seriously? Are all brown people terrorists? Do all brown people wear turbans? Nope... They aren't even turbans to my understanding.




I have a question for you. If I say I actually like the smell of curry. Enjoy curried cuisine, ect... Is that racist? No way... We all have to own up to the fact that some ethnicities eat certain types of food over other types of food. But not all of them.

[Agafaba]

Well, I haven't seen the video, so I can't really know.

They shouldn't have taken it down. I can only see a couple of seconds with their face whited out. You are probably right about "tactic" to gain sympathy. Anything that amplifies racism just makes everyone crazy.




Hey, she could have thick dark black circles under her eyes, indicating some sort of depression, or the comments could be totally harmless. They might even be funny. We will never know the truth.

So how anyone take it seriously? Are all brown people terrorists? Do all brown people wear turbans? Nope... They aren't even turbans to my understanding.




I have a question for you. If I say I actually like the smell of curry. Enjoy curried cuisine, ect... Is that racist? No way... We all have to own up to the fact that some ethnicities eat certain types of food over other types of food. But not all of them.

Maybe not, but saying that brown people wear turbans and people who wear turbans eat curry that doesnt smell good and are terrorists therefore all brown people are stinky terrorists is a bit racist.

[MrKap]

Maybe not, but saying that brown people wear turbans and people who wear turbans eat curry that doesnt smell good and are terrorists therefore all brown people are stinky terrorists is a bit racist.

Well all brown people don't wear turbans. So it makes it harmless ignorance.

If I could see the video in full, I would know whether this 16 year old girl is powerful enough to threaten an entire population or not.

The one thing that is interesting about this sort of modern political landscape, it seems to be who can play the bigger victim that wins.

Everybody loves to be a victim. It's the United Prime Time victim show.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk5du6e2q5E

[Agafaba]

Well all brown people don't wear turbans. So it makes it harmless ignorance.

If I could see the video in full, I would know whether this 16 year old girl is powerful enough to threaten an entire population or not.

So you dont consider any sweeping statements as racism regardless of content... because they are wrong? Do you actually think that she believes that every single brown person wears a turban and smells like curry?

There are very few people on the earth who are "powerful enough to threaten an entire population", I think you set your standards for what is racist or not very very high. It is just as harmless as if any of us posted a ******** video on youtube but that doesnt mean its not racist. If she is lucky it will all blow over, but based on people saying she was being bullied before the video its only going to get worse for her.

[MrKap]

So you dont consider any sweeping statements as racism regardless of content... because they are wrong? Do you actually think that she believes that every single brown person wears a turban and smells like curry?

There are very few people on the earth who are "powerful enough to threaten an entire population", I think you set your standards for what is racist or not very very high. It is just as harmless as if any of us posted a ******** video on youtube but that doesnt mean its not racist. If she is lucky it will all blow over, but based on people saying she was being bullied before the video its only going to get worse for her.

Well if they start throwing kids out of school and schools start holding students accountable for what they say outside of the school, what kind of system is that?

You could take every single not-funny aspiring comedian and kick them out of school right now.

Racism is in the eye of the beholder. It's such a meaningful word, but at the same time it has really no meaning what-so-ever when the entire population is considered. Meaning nobody ever agrees on what is racist and what is not. So it might as well not exist.

[coolspot]

So what's your point?

According to the 2011 census, Brampton has the second highest growth rate among Canada’s 50 largest cities. It is the third largest municipality in the Greater Toronto Area, fourth largest in Ontario, and is the ninth largest city in Canada.

Yes, no doubt Brampton has a high growth rate, but that does not make it a desirable place to live; in particular to the general population of Canada. My point is that Brampton may have some issues that need to be resolved as Brampton carries a negative connotation to some people.

[jaxx lite]

It says in the original post link that Other students said she had been jumped at school the day before she posted this and that police had to escort her home for her safety.

I was first confused by the news article

but I think that she was jumped at school after she posted the racist video

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[MrKap]

I was first confused by the news article

but I think that she was jumped at school after she posted the racist video

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See now, we potentially have a "hate crime", but I don't see that anywhere in the article. I see this though.

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1163235--teen-truly-regrets-making-racist-video-dad-says?bn=1#article


A group of Grade 10 boys playing football said they didn’t take the video personally, but thought it was “ignorant.” One joked that he smells like Axe — not curry.

“I’m only offended about the ‘go back to your country’ part,” said one student, 16. “Most of us were born here.”


Actually I found it... so it could be a subtle hint it happened the day before the video was posted, or it could be a hint that is just happened the day before she got the escort. It is unclear.


Students at Brampton’s Turner Fenton Secondary School told the Star Tuesday that the teen had been jumped the day before by another student. Teachers had to call police to escort her from the school safely, the students said.

[lordnikon]

Her eyebrows are creepy. :facepalm:

[Agafaba]

Well if they start throwing kids out of school and schools start holding students accountable for what they say outside of the school, what kind of system is that?

You could take every single not-funny aspiring comedian and kick them out of school right now.

Racism is in the eye of the beholder. It's such a meaningful word, but at the same time it has really no meaning what-so-ever when the entire population is considered. Meaning nobody ever agrees on what is racist and what is not. So it might as well not exist.

Who said anything about schools? She has to deal with students that were offended not teachers, students who apparently were bullying her before she said something to insult them on youtube.

You dont make any sense as usual though, people not agreeing on what racism is exactly doesnt mean the word doesnt exist. There was a debate on gender not to long ago but I wouldnt say gender shouldnt exist, it doesnt make any sense.

[CSK'sMom]

See now, we potentially have a "hate crime", but I don't see that anywhere in the article. I see this though.

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1163235--teen-truly-regrets-making-racist-video-dad-says?bn=1#article




Actually I found it... so it could be a subtle hint it happened the day before the video was posted, or it could be a hint that is just happened the day before she got the escort. It is unclear.

You missed this part...

Const. George Tudos, media relations representative for Peel Police, confirmed the teen has had death threats and police are monitoring the situation. He said the police have had many emails and phone calls from people “who are outraged’’ about the video, which started circulating on Sunday, with posted copies gaining thousands of viewings. The original has been deleted from YouTube.

So it seems the video was posted over the weekend sometime, really started going viral Sunday and she was jumped at school on Monday...

[MrKap]

Sure, it still potentially makes it a hate crime.

Let me just clarify for a second. I don't actually believe in hate crimes unless they are performed by professional or amateur dedicated organizations whose mission statement is to hate a specific group.

I am just using a commonly accepted way of describing a "hate crime".

You know, if a bunch of skinheads make someone eat a sidewalk, or if animal rights activists get out of control and get violent, ect... It can be against corporations, or ethnicities, ect...

Just because someone is motivated by rage or insecurities, or feels threatened to the point of having to retaliate, I don't nessecarily see it as a hate crime. Especially when it's grade school kids.




If it weren't on the governments website, then I wouldn't post it, but maybe the kids in Brampton have parents who have strict views?

http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/prg/ns/le/cle-eng.aspx


Obviously, not the Grade 10 kids who see it as ignorant and otherwise harmless, but the occasional "working class" kid who would probably be labeled as a "problem student".

[kingrukus]

When I was a kid, I thought that racism wouldn't be a huge deal in the future and it would go away because our generation is too cool. Then I thought that okay, prejudice will always exist but at least racism will be almost non-existant.

Now however, I'm not sure because there are still so many racists from our younger generation and it's still quite common even amongst youth in places like East Europe (or even France for that matter) or in places like Brampton where kids from one culture clash from another or in the US. The one positive is that there are more people who fight against it though I'm not sure if there are less who are actually racist.

Girl seems stupid but at least she regrets it and her father was classy enough to apologize and explain as well.

I agree completely. As a kid growing up, racism almost did not exist (to me at least)... sure there were funny stereotypes of each color, but besides joking around about them no one seemed to legitimately hate each other for their color. Fast forward many years later... racism is live and well, and will never die. It is human nature to hate anything different than yourself. How you chose to control and even eliminate that hate will be a test of intelligence and experience.

The girl in the video is an idiot because she did not have the foresight of her actions. If she hates brown people, that’s fine…just keep it to yourself until you learn to like them or at least learn to live with them.

[kingrukus]

heh, reminds me of that guy that goes on here and blast brampton... she got jumped, even steven, relax dudes...

blasting brampton is always a good time... such an easy target, all in good fun though. lived in brampton for many years, and have a bit of a love/hate relationship with the place.

[MrKap]

I agree completely. As a kid growing up, racism almost did not exist (to me at least)... sure there were funny stereotypes of each color, but besides joking around about them no one seemed to legitimately hate each other for their color. Fast forward many years later... racism is live and well, and will never die. It is human nature to hate anything different than yourself. How you chose to control and even eliminate that hate will be a test of intelligence and experience.

The girl in the video is an idiot because she did not have the foresight of her actions. If she hates brown people, that’s fine…just keep it to yourself until you learn to like them or at least learn to live with them.

Well, just to clarify, I actually get along with some {Insert Your Choice Here}, but there are a bad apples in every single group. Doesn't matter what group it is, there are bad apples.

As far as I can remember, my closest friends have almost always been a different ethnicity from myself.

I don't agree with everyone from my own ethnicity at times, but they are usually few and very far between. I can't think of a single racially motivated attack on someone in my lifetime. I've lived in neighbourhoods where my ethnicity has been a visible "normality" and I have lived in neighbourhoods where I have been a visible "minority".

[Singh_21]

Yes, no doubt Brampton has a high growth rate, but that does not make it a desirable place to live; in particular to the general population of Canada. My point is that Brampton may have some issues that need to be resolved as Brampton carries a negative connotation to some people.

If it is not a desirable place, then why is it growing at such a high rate? That's quite contradictory cuz otherwise why are people moving to Brampton more than anywhere else?

If the place was such a mess, no one will be moving there.

You said no one will move there even for free. I showed you stats. Check population growth of sauga from 2001-2011 and then check growth of brampton from 2001-2011.

Not saying brmpton is better than sauga. Sauga is a much bigger economic powerhouse. There is a lot of problems in brampton but it is not such an undesirable place for many.

Besides, undesirable to who? People who are on a white flight lol

[Siskie]

If the girl really did get jumped, and not just more Toronto Star propaganda, then I hope those kids get charged. Two wrongs don't make a right :facepalm:


If it is not a desirable place, then why is it growing at such a high rate? That's quite contradictory cuz otherwise why are people moving to Brampton more than anywhere else.
If the place was such a mess, no one will be moving there.

Besides, undesirable to who? People who are on a white flight lol

I really despise the term "white flight." If anything is racist, its the use of that term. You're basically calling every white person a racist that doesn't want to live with any other kind of culture which is entirely untrue. I have many friends in Brampton. Some like it, and some don't like it there.

What if someone used a specific term to describe how brown people seem to congregate all in Brampton? How would you feel about that? In fact, is this video at hand (aside from the idiotic remarks about turbans) describing just that?

[Singh_21]

If the girl really did get jumped, and not just more Toronto Star propaganda, then I hope those kids get charged. Two wrongs don't make a right :facepalm:



I really despise the term "white flight." If anything is racist, its the use of that term. You're basically calling every white person a racist that doesn't want to live with any
other kind of culture which is entirely untrue. I have many friends in Brampton. Some like it, and some don't like it there.

What if someone used a specific term to describe how brown people seem to congregate all in Brampton? How would you feel about that? In fact, is this video at hand (aside from the idiotic remarks about turbans) describing just that?

Lol I wont be offended at all. Most Brown people (not all) like to live in Brampton. Its a fact. What's there to be offended about? Brampton is open to anyone. Anyone can live there.

Similarily, white flight is a fact. Its not a term made by me. There are forums where white ppl boast of moving away from brampton, malton etc to georgetown, milton etc in hoards. One friend moves, then another, another family member than the entire street as soon as they start seeing more colored ppl on the street.

[jaxx lite]

I agree completely. As a kid growing up, racism almost did not exist (to me at least)

how many non-white people were in your school when you were growing up?
not much?

also
in the olden days
people didn't talk much about Muslims and terrorism
they didn't know Muslims existed

Sept 11 changed all that



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[MrKap]

Well, it's probably really easy to miss all the different ethnic groups when in reality everyone is pretty much a minority.

I mean it's difficult for some people to differentiate between Polish, Irish, Scottish.

Or Jamaican or African or Somalian.

Or Argentinean, Mexican, or Native American.

Or Pakistani, or Indian or Iranian.

Or Chinese, Korean or Japanese.

Or Spanish, Portuguese, Italian.

My babysitters when I was really young were Japanese for half those years and Italian for the other half. My best friend in grade school was Chinese. My best friend through high school was Argentinean. My best friend through college was Portuguese. Those are just the early years through school.


The truth is, in Ontario moreso than anywhere else in the world, everyone is a minority.



I mean, what is "brown" anyways. I would consider my Argentinean friend and Portuguese and Chinese friend brown. The Japanese and Italians were reasonably pale, but in some instances the Italians are darker than the Japanese. I mean it's not all the same ethnicity is it? It can't be.



Everybody knows that is the climate keeps changing, everyone here will eventually turn brown, right? Otherwise we will all turn white.

I mean it will take a couple thousand years, but Canada might not be "North" after climate change takes effect, right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_skin_color

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Unlabeled_Renatto_Luschan_Skin_color_map.svg/602px-Unlabeled_Renatto_Luschan_Skin_color_map.svg.png


It's the old world mentalities that are a problem, not the skin colors, and even the old world church mentality in British, Italian and other Caucasian groups in North America lingers a tiny bit, but not by much at all.



According to this, there are a high amount of "English", and then there are a high degree of "Canadians", which are not really ethnicities, as some groups from historically different backgrounds might identify themselves in that group, regardless of skin tone. English is a language you speak, not an ethnicity. People don't even try to keep their self identity to a specific ethnicity in Canada. British has it's own group, and they are way down on the list. British isn't even an ethnicity. It's a nationality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ontario#Visible_Minorities_and_Abo riginals

If it helps, the whitest person I ever met was a Croatian and they are right towards the bottom of the list in terms of minority groups. It's pretty hard to differentiate them from other slavic groups, like polish and russian, but it is noticeable in some cases, but not all. Jmo... I mean usually the east europeans have darker hair. That doesn't hold true all time of course.

The Portuguese and Italians as a whole seem to be the result of thousands of years of ethnicity cross breeding, in many instances, so a lot of the time they appear brown to olive skinned in tone. Not all the time, but sometimes.

Look at the "American" ethnic group in that list, they could be any ethnicity at all.

Historically I belong to a one of the nationalities in the top ten, but realistically, I consider myself Canadian.

What really messed me up one day is when this pale white girl identified herself as sri lankan. I had no idea, but there are extremely diverse skin tones from various nationalities, language groups, ect...


Toronto, half the population is pretty much nothing but "visible" minorities. I don't know if this source is right or not, but if I can differentiate between a Somalian and Jamaican, then I am fairly sure the "Non-Visible" minorities, are actually visible to me.

http://restructure.wordpress.com/2008/04/03/racial-demographics-of-metropolitan-toronto-429-visible-minorities/

[LostInTruth]

Brampton is close to the capital of the world being Toronto (I kid) and close to major highways (407/427/401) and relatively safe. It gets a lot of undeserved hate. Why anyone would move to Milton/Georgetown is beyond me? There's absolutely nothing to do there.

-1 for the racist fool.

[MrKap]

If you want something to do, go to Toronto. There is nothing to do in the suburbs, no matter where you go.

Brampton/Missisauga is safer than Toronto though. According to this.

http://www2.macleans.ca/canadas-most-dangerous-cities-the-rankings/

[LostInTruth]

^^ True - burbs are boring. But compared to other places, Brampton isn't bad.

[AudiDude]

Lol I wont be offended at all. Most Brown people (not all) like to live in Brampton. Its a fact. What's there to be offended about? Brampton is open to anyone. Anyone can live there.

Similarily, white flight is a fact. Its not a term made by me. There are forums where white ppl boast of moving away from brampton, malton etc to georgetown, milton etc in hoards. One friend moves, then another, another family member than the entire street as soon as they start seeing more colored ppl on the street.

I'll have to point out that most racist terms were not thought up by the offended parties. Now in regards to Brampton, I don't know if you know this, but a lot of goods are warehoused in Brampton. A lot of warehouses, a lot of people that have low to no education work there, a lot are brown. That is just the way it is. If you can find a white person at a bus shelter when the factories let out, take a picture because you caught a unique moment.

Sure there are educated brown people, but they are in Markham. If you've got no car, no education and need money, it doesn't make sense to move to the business district of a major city. Oshawa has no major brown population, but had a similar situation. Almost all of the people who work for GM and the many small factories around GM are white. The only way to get a job in most factories is if you were a relative.

Anyway now imagine you are a somewhat educated brown person that doesn't want a factory job. If you can live in an area where it is easily to socialize and relate to other people but you have the means to travel easily Brampton can look attractive.


What there is to be offended about has been said. People, especially many Europeans use their house as an extension of themselves. They are proud of it and decorate and maintain it and they wash and maintain their vehicles. Since this doesn't seem to be a trait shared by the people moving to Brampton, the Europeans leave. They would like to live amongst themselves because they not only like to maintain their own properties, but they like to see others do it as well. I can make my house look as awesome as I like, but when I look out my front window, I can only see your house. If yours and others are poorly maintained, I would want to move.

Different ethnicities aren't the issue. It's always talked as if the colour of skin scares white people, but it is the destruction or misuse of the neighbourhood. Some neighbourhoods communicate with each other and decorate the whole place the same style and compete with other neighbourhoods.

"Colored people" is offensive too. You spelled it American style and if you're not coloured, then are you invisible?:razz:

[kingrukus]

how many non-white people were in your school when you were growing up?
not much?

also
in the olden days
people didn't talk much about Muslims and terrorism
they didn't know Muslims existed

Sept 11 changed all that



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id say 3/4 of my highschool was non white. I grew up in brampton and went to highschool in the late 90s and early 00s.

[masterhapposai]

dont care where I live, long as the crime is low

[kingrukus]

If it is not a desirable place, then why is it growing at such a high rate? That's quite contradictory cuz otherwise why are people moving to Brampton more than anywhere else?

If the place was such a mess, no one will be moving there.

You said no one will move there even for free. I showed you stats. Check population growth of sauga from 2001-2011 and then check growth of brampton from 2001-2011.

Not saying brmpton is better than sauga. Sauga is a much bigger economic powerhouse. There is a lot of problems in brampton but it is not such an undesirable place for many.

Besides, undesirable to who? People who are on a white flight lol

it is growing at such a high rate because many people are entering through immoral means (fake marriages, etc.) coupled with the fact that it is a cheap place to live... contributing to the mess. many indians who have lived in brampton years ago that have adopted more traditional anglo-canadian ways, have moved out... all because they no longer want to be living besides recent imports who are still using their left hand to wipe poo and right hand to eat. this is understandable. I hear the same thing from chinese that move out of certain pockets of markham/scarborough because they do not want to live besides recently imported chinese people because of their associated annoyances.

brampton is undesirable to many, and to deny this would be ignorant. property values are lower than mississauga, oakville, and much of vaughan for a reason. people from malton/jane&finch/malvern are flocking in droves because of cheap housing, further contributing to the mess. between the recent imports from 3rd world countries, and the wonderful folks of malton/jane&finch/malvern/killer's corner/guntown/etc, the avg socio-economic standards of brampton aren't exactly something to be proud of.

parts of what the idiotic girl on youtube was ranting about is what many people think of brampton.

[cheapmeister]

heh, reminds me of that guy that goes on here and blast brampton... she got jumped, even steven, relax dudes...

I wonder which guy that would be :lol:


Anyway, I didn't get to see the video, but I get an idea of what was said.
The thing about brown peeps is that they aren't recognized outside of their own circles. For example, how many brown peeps do you see on Canadian tv? How many do you see in sports? I've seen zero. Cricket doesn't count, we don't watch cricket here in Canada. I can watch a multi-cultural sport like baseball, and I can see blacks, whites, hispanics, asians, but no indians. Indians are non-existent inside Canada, not well known for anything, and can easily be dragged under the bus. What reason does she have for liking Indians? She doesn't identify with them ( thru regular social means, ie:music, sports, cultural knowledge). In school I did projects on China, Europe, and Egypt. The school system did nothing to educate me about India, or its culture.

[LostInTruth]

it is growing at such a high rate because many people are entering through immoral means (fake marriages, etc.) coupled with the fact that it is a cheap place to live... contributing to the mess. many indians who have lived in brampton years ago that have adopted more traditional anglo-canadian ways, have moved out... all because they no longer want to be living besides recent imports who are still using their left hand to wipe poo and right hand to eat. this is understandable. I hear the same thing from chinese that move out of certain pockets of markham/scarborough because they do not want to live besides recently imported chinese people because of their associated annoyances.

brampton is undesirable to many, and to deny this would be ignorant. property values are lower than mississauga, oakville, and much of vaughan for a reason. people from malton/jane&finch/malvern are flocking in droves because of cheap housing, further contributing to the mess. between the recent imports from 3rd world countries, and the wonderful folks of malton/jane&finch/malvern/killer's corner/guntown/etc, the avg socio-economic standards of brampton aren't exactly something to be proud of.

parts of what the idiotic girl on youtube was ranting about is what many people think of brampton.

Read a book, your ignorance is showing.

[peanutz]

What the girl said was wrong but I guess I might be the only one who found her cute. Way better than Boxxxy.

Reaction videos were too tryhard.

Beating her up over that is stupid and terrible.

Anyway, I don't know why people don't like the smell of curry and other spicy concoctions. <3 baigan bharta and saag paneer.

Edit: And UCLA chick is right.

[Singh_21]

I'll have to point out that most racist terms were not thought up by the offended parties. Now in regards to Brampton, I don't know if you know this, but a lot of goods are warehoused in Brampton. A lot of warehouses, a lot of people that have low to no education work there, a lot are brown. That is just the way it is. If you can find a white person at a bus shelter when the factories let out, take a picture because you caught a unique moment.
lol ..are you saying only brown people work in warehouses? Have you ever stepped inside a warehouse? Take Brampton Transit one day..You will see busses full of white, black and brown people going to factories. Go to dixie/steeles and watch yourself.


Sure there are educated brown people, but they are in Markham. If you've got no car, no education and need money, it doesn't make sense to move to the business district of a major city. Oshawa has no major brown population, but had a similar situation. Almost all of the people who work for GM and the many small factories around GM are white. The only way to get a job in most factories is if you were a relative.

There are a lot of educated professional brown people in Brampton and I am one. Same for my friends and some relatives. Brampton though is indeed a community of blue collar workers mostly but there is nothing wrong with that.


Anyway now imagine you are a somewhat educated brown person that doesn't want a factory job. If you can live in an area where it is easily to socialize and relate to other people but you have the means to travel easily Brampton can look attractive.

I had no problem fiding a professional job while living in Brampton. Neither do I know anyone who was handicapped in his job search because of this.



What there is to be offended about has been said. People, especially many Europeans use their house as an extension of themselves. They are proud of it and decorate and maintain it and they wash and maintain their vehicles. Since this doesn't seem to be a trait shared by the people moving to Brampton, the Europeans leave. They would like to live amongst themselves because they not only like to maintain their own properties, but they like to see others do it as well. I can make my house look as awesome as I like, but when I look out my front window, I can only see your house. If yours and others are poorly maintained, I would want to move.

so now brown people don't even clean theirs cars ? lolll go on wtf?


Different ethnicities aren't the issue. It's always talked as if the colour of skin scares white people, but it is the destruction or misuse of the neighbourhood. Some neighbourhoods communicate with each other and decorate the whole place the same style and compete with other neighbourhoods.

Hmmm, you should take a break from the forum and go re-decorate your house.

[kingrukus]

Read a book, your ignorance is showing.

i just read the punjabi times, they agree with me.

[Singh_21]

it is growing at such a high rate because many people are entering through immoral means (fake marriages, etc.) coupled with the fact that it is a cheap place to live... contributing to the mess. many indians who have lived in brampton years ago that have adopted more traditional anglo-canadian ways, have moved out... all because they no longer want to be living besides recent imports who are still using their left hand to wipe poo and right hand to eat. this is understandable. I hear the same thing from chinese that move out of certain pockets of markham/scarborough because they do not want to live besides recently imported chinese people because of their associated annoyances.

brampton is undesirable to many, and to deny this would be ignorant. property values are lower than mississauga, oakville, and much of vaughan for a reason. people from malton/jane&finch/malvern are flocking in droves because of cheap housing, further contributing to the mess. between the recent imports from 3rd world countries, and the wonderful folks of malton/jane&finch/malvern/killer's corner/guntown/etc, the avg socio-economic standards of brampton aren't exactly something to be proud of.

parts of what the idiotic girl on youtube was ranting about is what many people think of brampton.

So are you saying that the majority of Indian immigration in this country is through fake marriages and not through legal means? Got anything to back that up? Or once again its a case of you talking outaa your.....

There is no denying that there are some marriages of convenience happening but its overall impact on legal immigration from India to Canada is miniscule.

[kingrukus]

I wonder which guy that would be :lol:


Anyway, I didn't get to see the video, but I get an idea of what was said.
The thing about brown peeps is that they aren't recognized outside of their own circles. For example, how many brown peeps do you see on Canadian tv? How many do you see in sports? I've seen zero. Cricket doesn't count, we don't watch cricket here in Canada. I can watch a multi-cultural sport like baseball, and I can see blacks, whites, hispanics, asians, but no indians. Indians are non-existent inside Canada, not well known for anything, and can easily be dragged under the bus. What reason does she have for liking Indians? She doesn't identify with them ( thru regular social means, ie:music, sports, cultural knowledge). In school I did projects on China, Europe, and Egypt. The school system did nothing to educate me about India, or its culture.

I see a lot of indian's on CP24 ;)
Related to your comment however is the fact that indians are poorly represented in all forms of advertisments... they represent a huge buying power, yet in almost all ad's the majority consist of white folks, with the token black guy and the occasional chinese... makes me angry sometimes. they are often represented as an idiot that is running a convenience store, or driving a taxi if they do manage to get a role on a TV show, when infact many indians are highly educated / qualified and hold extremely respectable positions in the corporate world. it is clear that media and non-indian society paints them in a negative light, right from the get-go.

it is unfortunate that they had to come from a country where most parts have living conditions which are are absolutely terrible... so when they initially migrate here, their home-land ways are the only way they know...and this is what paints them in a negative light to the rest of canadians. however to see them after 10 years assimilate and essentially "make it" is extremely impressive, given today's tough playing field / society. I have more respect for them that I do the degenerates that live in government housing in jane & finch / malvern / killers corner/ etc that keep complaining about society not giving them a chance. seems to me that the girl in the video parallel's a lot of of these degenerates and will probably end up knocked up asking for welfare in another 9 months.

[kingrukus]

So are you saying that the majority of Indian immigration in this country is through fake marriages and not through legal means? Got anything to back that up? Or once again its a case of you talking outaa your.....

There is no denying that there are some marriages of convenience happening but its overall impact on legal immigration from India to Canada is miniscule.

I am not saying the majority are, I am saying it contributes towards the high growth rate, alongside people from terrible local neighborhoods moving in due to low property value.

[Singh_21]

I am not saying the majority are, I am saying it contributes towards the high growth rate, alongside people from terrible local neighborhoods moving in due to low property value.

The population of Canada overall is mostly growing because of immigrants. Traditional canadian folks like to marry late and birth rate is very low anyways. There will be no demand for any realestate in Canada overall if not for immigrants .

Those terrible local neighbourhoods belong to a diff city right? I dont see you bahing that city now.

[Singh_21]

I am not saying the majority are, I am saying it contributes towards the high growth rate, alongside people from terrible local neighborhoods moving in due to low property value.

Whats the price of a new semi in brampton? How cheap is it?

[kingrukus]

Whats the price of a new semi in brampton? How cheap is it?

go check mls

[Oscillator]

Just saw the video. This is like the video equivalent of a horrible thread backfire. :lol: I don't the girl is racist, just an attention wh*re. In fact, if I didn't know any better, I'd think she was raised in "the hood" just by her mannerisms, and her slang.

[kingrukus]

The population of Canada overall is mostly growing because of immigrants. Traditional canadian folks like to marry late and birth rate is very low anyways. There will be no demand for any realestate in Canada overall if not for immigrants .

Those terrible local neighbourhoods belong to a diff city right? I dont see you bahing that city now.

this thread is focused on brampton, not about another city.

[Singh_21]

go check mls

Well since you know brampton has such low property values, i thought maybe I can find a brand new semi for less than 4k.

[Singh_21]

this thread is focused on brampton, not about another city.

Nope, this thread is focused on a racist video being posted on youtube by a 16 yr old white chick from Brampton.

[MrKap]

I finally found the video. This is what has upset everybody? This is crazy...

The world is way too sensitive. I now highly doubt she was beaten up, and I highly doubt this video has caused an "outrage". jmo...



I think she was actually trying to be funny, but her really bad pronunciation made it seem worse than it is?



Different ethnicities aren't the issue. It's always talked as if the colour of skin scares white people, but it is the destruction or misuse of the neighbourhood. Some neighbourhoods communicate with each other and decorate the whole place the same style and compete with other neighbourhoods.

I don't want to name any specific ethnicties, but sure, some people like to put fountains, and statues on their properties as if that is supposed to increase the value. Others just mow and water their lawn obsessively.

It's the alcoholics that push the property value down. They refuse to do any maintenance what-so-ever. No offense to alcoholics.

[cheapmeister]

I finally found the video. This is what has upset everybody? This is crazy...

The world is way too sensitive. I now highly doubt she was beaten up, and I highly doubt this video has caused an "outrage". jmo...



I think she was actually trying to be funny, but her really bad pronunciation made it seem worse than it is?




I don't want to name any specific ethnicties, but sure, some people like to put fountains, and statues on their properties as if that is supposed to increase the value. Others just mow and water their lawn obsessively.

It's the alcoholics that push the property value down. They refuse to do any maintenance what-so-ever. No offense to alcoholics.

Well maybe she wants to enjoy the parks and walking trails, but cannot because peeps who all dress a certain way have taken over the public areas. This is fact and certain areas are not multi cultural.

[Singh_21]

I finally found the video. This is what has upset everybody? This is crazy...

The world is way too sensitive. I now highly doubt she was beaten up, and I highly doubt this video has caused an "outrage". jmo...



I think she was actually trying to be funny, but her really bad pronunciation made it seem worse than it is?



I am not outraged by the video. I see narrow minded people posting stuff online all the time. If she just made a rant about brampton and how its all brown and she want it to be white..I will be fine by that.

But equating turbans = terrorists (which doesn't make sense)and telling them to go their country and calling every brown person a terrorist was as racist as it can get.
If that ain't racist, nothing else is!

[Singh_21]

Well maybe she wants to enjoy the parks and walking trails, but cannot because peeps who all dress a certain way have taken over the public areas. This is fact and certain areas are not multi cultural.

That does not equate to people with turbans as being terrorists and if we must sterotype (difference: not being racist) looking at her, I doubt she ever went for a walk or a jog.

[Singh_21]

Most brown kids at her school are probably born in Brampton...She ain't any more canadian than them. Hating someone cuz of their colour is disgusting.

[MrKap]

Well maybe she wants to enjoy the parks and walking trails, but cannot because peeps who all dress a certain way have taken over the public areas. This is fact and certain areas are not multi cultural.

You know, I am not that familiar with Brampton, but I remember East Asians being really keen on doing tradtional outdoor exercises. I never had a problem with it. In fact I thought it was kind of nice. In the suburbs compared to the cities, people make heavy use of the parks by comparison. jmo...

The girl in video doesn't even look stressed out. She really honestly seems like she is trying to be funny. The only politically loaded, or really touchy subject is probably the terrorist remarks, and that simply because the government, both the USA and Canada are both constantly watching terrorist groups.

If she goes to a school and she's walking down the halls, she's not afraid of terrorists. I mean there are no terrorists in the hall, but she doesn't believe there is really a hard link between turbans and terrorism.

[Singh_21]

You know, I am not that familiar with Brampton, but I remember East Asians being really keen on doing tradtional outdoor exercises. I never had a problem with it. In fact I thought it was kind of nice. In the suburbs compared to the cities, people make heavy use of the parks by comparison. jmo...

It's a lot better than seeing bums sleeping in them, although I could care less if bums are sleeping in parks.

The girl in video doesn't even look stressed out. She really honestly seems like she is trying to be funny. The only politically loaded, or really touchy subject is probably the terrorist remarks, and that simply because the government, both the USA and Canada are both constantly watching terrorist groups.

If she goes to a school and she's walking down the halls, she's not afraid of terrorists.

US and Canada are not watching over sikhs in Punjab. They are dealing with al-qaida and such which are from a different part of the world. Not entirely her fault but most people are too narrow minded and dumb to know better.

[MrKap]

US and Canada are not watching over sikhs in Punjab. They are dealing with al-qaida and such which are from a different part of the world. Not entirely her fault but most people are too narrow minded and dumb to know better.

I completely understand that. There are any number of terrorist groups, and they can't easily be identified based on religious or traditional wardrobe.

They probably don't even really exist in the amount that people claim. I mean when was the last time there was a skinhead crime in Canada? I believe there was major one in the 80s, but for the most part that group is inactive, and the other ones are probably largely inactive as well. How can a group that is being watched expect to thrive? They can't. Not to my understanding.

They probably don't even deserve to be called a group, because typically they are in such small numbers. But here is the last skinhead crime I can find. These people make an effort to stand out and all in all, terrorists, especially the grass roots kind are not very bright. Here is the first skinhead I could find.

http://www.nugget.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1216773&archive=true


Broughton was not a member of their brotherhood, but he was searching for friends and a place to belong, court heard. But his new friends got fed up when Broughton became drunk and obnoxious, drinking from the spout of the beer keg and picking fights. Two of the partiers put him out of the house and gave him a beating, then left, while the others crashed on couches in the living room.

A short time later, one man woke from his drunken stupor with a sharp pain on his head and opened his eyes to see Broughton standing over him, poised to take another swing with the bat.

I couldn't figure out what was going on," said witness Richard Howlet, a white supremacist who formerly played in a skinhead rock band at underground concerts in Toronto.

He said he escaped the attack, but Long was already on the floor, sputtering and convulsing, with a pool of blood around his head.

[AudiDude]

lol ..are you saying only brown people work in warehouses? Have you ever stepped inside a warehouse? Take Brampton Transit one day..You will see busses full of white, black and brown people going to factories. Go to dixie/steeles and watch yourself.


I do IT work in an idustrial area , where do you think I saw all the brown people? Bus shelters at 3:30 - 4:00. It's not that hard of a concept to think that someone may move to an area where they are more likely to have a job, is it? I did not say they were all brown people, but stated "white" people were rare, and they are. The Brampton Transit comment doesn't hold water unless the bus you speak of is in a factory area. People could be going anywhere, I saw the people coming from the factories to the bus shelter.

There are a lot of educated professional brown people in Brampton and I am one. Same for my friends and some relatives. Brampton though is indeed a community of blue collar workers mostly but there is nothing wrong with that.


Didn't say there weren't any professional brown people there or there was anything wrong with a blue collar community

I had no problem fiding a professional job while living in Brampton. Neither do I know anyone who was handicapped in his job search because of this.


and there are more professional brown people per brown populace elsewhere in places like Markham.

so now brown people don't even clean theirs cars ? lolll go on wtf?


I could go on but I have yet to see a lot of brown people out washing/vacuuming the old family mover, but then when you don't bother to maintain a house, I guess a car is lower on the list of priorities. Just because some dbags with a Pauly D haircut wash their pride and joy Civics, doesn't make up for the rest of them. As it was already said, to many a house is just a place to live.

Hmmm, you should take a break from the forum and go re-decorate your house.



You should do a reality check and find out that people with lower incomes, lower education or new Canadians move closer to factory jobs and public transit. It makes sense.
Out in the east end of the city when the Chrysler interior manufacturing plant left, and went to Brampton, people moved to Brampton. The place is large with manufacturing and warehousing. Since a lot of that has been removed from out east, almost all of the people drive west to get to work. Also there is no contiguous mode of public transportation out east like there is in the west end, so less new Canadians live there.

In regards to the video, I don't see how anybody can take the girl with the black sharpie eyebrows seriously, she clearly has other issues.

[Oscillator]

Most brown kids at her school are probably born in Brampton...She ain't any more canadian than them. Hating someone cuz of their colour is disgusting.
I'm going to be honest and non-PC and you'll probably call me a racist, but here's my experience back in high school which was only a couple of years ago: Brown kids may be Canadian, but a large majority of them have no interest in assimilating with the mainstream culture. The only things they like to talk about is bollywood and cricket and when it comes to just things most Canadians talk about such as popular sports in Canada, recent movies, TV series, etc they are clueless and disinterested. There is nothing wrong with that, but such an attitude will definitely hinder them later on whether it is in the workforce after they graduate or other important aspects of their lives. Their parents immigrated here despite being well educated and still doing menial jobs such as driving taxis so their kids can be successful. As we all know, you can be the smartest guy but will be severely limited in your career if all you can talk about is Bollywood and cricket with your colleagues. On the flip side, West Indians are some of the coolest people I've ever met and are pretty assimilated.

You can't blame people for complaining against the backwards behavior of some fobs. I've even seen Indians denounce fobs, as they give the rest of them a bad rep.

[kingrukus]

Nope, this thread is focused on a racist video being posted on youtube by a 16 yr old white chick from Brampton.

and what city is she talking about?

[kingrukus]

I'm going to be honest and non-PC and you'll probably call me a racist, but here's my experience back in high school which was only a couple of years ago: Brown kids may be Canadian, but a large majority of them have no interest in assimilating with the mainstream culture. The only things they like to talk about is bollywood and cricket and when it comes to just things most Canadians talk about such as popular sports in Canada, recent movies, TV series, etc they are clueless and disinterested. There is nothing wrong with that, but such an attitude will definitely hinder them later on whether it is in the workforce after they graduate or other important aspects of their lives. Their parents immigrated here despite being well educated and still doing menial jobs such as driving taxis so their kids can be successful. As we all know, you can be the smartest guy but will be severely limited in your career if all you can talk about is Bollywood and cricket with your colleagues. On the flip side, West Indians are some of the coolest people I've ever met and are pretty assimilated.

You can't blame people for complaining against the backwards behavior of some fobs. I've even seen Indians denounce fobs, as they give the rest of them a bad rep.

I grew up with indian guys who were completely assimilating with mainstream culture in canada... many of them introduced me to urban music, and were active in soccer, basketball, etc etc, and if you listened to them speak without seeing them, you would think you were talking to a white person. while they may only tend to form close friendships with their own kind (that is understandable, as virtually all races seem to do so because of commonalities), they didn't go out of their way to exclude outside races from anything.

West Indians are more assimilated because they were colonized by the British ~100 years ago and learned the british way earlier than east indians coming directly from India. It will be easier to spot non-assimilated east indians than west, simply because there are way more east indians in general.

[kingrukus]

That does not equate to people with turbans as being terrorists and if we must sterotype (difference: not being racist) looking at her, I doubt she ever went for a walk or a jog.
Don't pass judgement on her looks. How do you know she doesn't have a physical problem that causes her to be overweight, her eyebrows to turn into graphitti, and give her the audible attributes of a severely mentally handicapped elephant?

[Singh_21]

I'm going to be honest and non-PC and you'll probably call me a racist, but here's my experience back in high school which was only a couple of years ago: Brown kids may be Canadian, but a large majority of them have no interest in assimilating with the mainstream culture. The only things they like to talk about is bollywood and cricket and when it comes to just things most Canadians talk about such as popular sports in Canada, recent movies, TV series, etc they are clueless and disinterested. There is nothing wrong with that, but such an attitude will definitely hinder them later on whether it is in the workforce after they graduate or other important aspects of their lives. Their parents immigrated here despite being well educated and still doing menial jobs such as driving taxis so their kids can be successful. As we all know, you can be the smartest guy but will be severely limited in your career if all you can talk about is Bollywood and cricket with your colleagues. On the flip side, West Indians are some of the coolest people I've ever met and are pretty assimilated.

You can't blame people for complaining against the backwards behavior of some fobs. I've even seen Indians denounce fobs, as they give the rest of them a bad rep.

Brown kids born in India will talk about cricket and bollywood.
Brown kids born in Canada or ones that have been here since they were in elementary will talk about hockey,bball, canadian tv shows and such.

I have hardly ever met a brown guy born here in Canada who likes cricket and watches bollywood often. I have no idea which Canadian born brown people are you talking about?

Its true though that most of the friends will be within the same race regardless of where they are born. Its true for most races.

[ever1221]

I have hardly ever met a brown guy born here in Canada who likes cricket and watches bollywood often. I have no idea which Canadian born brown people are you talking about?


I gotta agree with this one.

[its_mo]

Does the opinion of an emotional 16 year old girl really bother you guys that much?

You're pathetic, people are too sensitive these days and waste their time and energy on dumb **** like this. There is so much beating around the bush is not even funny, deal with the reality that some of what this girl is saying is what people actually think of Brampton and move on. (It's sad but true)

I lost it when someone posted that video of the indian guy who actually responded to her video, wow

[Siskie]

Lol I wont be offended at all. Most Brown people (not all) like to live in Brampton. Its a fact. What's there to be offended about? Brampton is open to anyone. Anyone can live there.

Similarily, white flight is a fact. Its not a term made by me. There are forums where white ppl boast of moving away from brampton, malton etc to georgetown, milton etc in hoards. One friend moves, then another, another family member than the entire street as soon as they start seeing more colored ppl on the street.

No. I have never heard the term 'white flight' until moving to Toronto. And since there are a few idiots who use it, it makes it ok? What about all the rappers out there that use a particular racist term in their rap songs? Its a racist term. So stop using it.

And you consider a website forum to represent all white people? If thats not racist, I don't know what is.

Anyways, people with your attitude are only out there to cause a disturbance (using terms such as 'white flight') and maybe you're part of the reason why people form these negative opinions of Brampton.

[sweeper]

Does the opinion of an emotional 16 year old girl really bother you guys that much?

You're pathetic, people are too sensitive these days and waste their time and energy on dumb **** like this. There is so much beating around the bush is not even funny, deal with the reality that some of what this girl is saying is what people actually think of Brampton and move on. (It's sad but true)

I lost it when someone posted that video of the indian guy who actually responded to her video, wow

+1

People are insecure as hell, there are always going to be racist pricks on this planet no need to get your panties all in a bunch. I love how people think this video gives them the "right" to send death threats and trade insults. Way to stoop down to their level.

I used to work in retail and some ******** customers would always make snide remarks when talking about the products we sold, it never bothered me so I just brushed it off. Seriously, grow a thick skin and realize that there will always be *****s walking this Earth.

Them: "This product sucks, oh no wonder they're made made in China" *smirk*
Me: "Yes they are"
Them: "Are you from China?" *another smirk*
Me: "No"
Them: "Where are you from?"
Me: "Toronto"
Them: "Where are your parents from?"
Me: "Oshawa"
Them: "How long have you been living in Toronto?"
Me: "I was born here buddy"

[sweeper]

I'm going to be honest and non-PC and you'll probably call me a racist, but here's my experience back in high school which was only a couple of years ago: Brown kids may be Canadian, but a large majority of them have no interest in assimilating with the mainstream culture. The only things they like to talk about is bollywood and cricket and when it comes to just things most Canadians talk about such as popular sports in Canada, recent movies, TV series, etc they are clueless and disinterested. There is nothing wrong with that, but such an attitude will definitely hinder them later on whether it is in the workforce after they graduate or other important aspects of their lives. Their parents immigrated here despite being well educated and still doing menial jobs such as driving taxis so their kids can be successful. As we all know, you can be the smartest guy but will be severely limited in your career if all you can talk about is Bollywood and cricket with your colleagues. On the flip side, West Indians are some of the coolest people I've ever met and are pretty assimilated.

You can't blame people for complaining against the backwards behavior of some fobs. I've even seen Indians denounce fobs, as they give the rest of them a bad rep.

How is this any different than East Asian kids watching anime, reading manga and listening to K/J-pop?

[feidailo]

+1

People are insecure as hell, there are always going to be racist pricks on this planet no need to get your panties all in a bunch. I love how people think this video gives them the "right" to send death threats and trade insults. Way to stoop down to their level.

I used to work in retail and some ******** customers would always make snide remarks when talking about the products we sold, it never bothered me so I just brushed it off. Seriously, grow a thick skin and realize that there will always be *****s walking this Earth.

Them: "This product sucks, oh no wonder they're made made in China" *smirk*
Me: "Yes they are"
Them: "Are you from China?" *another smirk*
Me: "No"
Them: "Where are you from?"
Me: "Toronto"
Them: "Where are your parents from?"
Me: "Oshawa"
Them: "How long have you been living in Toronto?"
Me: "I was born here buddy"

ya no wonder apple products suck, their made in china.
good thing is, we dont have to worry about straightening out this girl, someone out there will do it for us.

[Siskie]

ya no wonder apple products suck, their made in china.
good thing is, we dont have to worry about straightening out this girl, someone out there will do it for us.

Might want to clarify. Apple products are "assembled in China." Their products were (are) made in the USA.

[Agafaba]

With electronics its usually best to say made everywhere, assembled in a few places and branded in the US.

[feidailo]

Might want to clarify. Apple products are "assembled in China." Their products were (are) made in the USA.

unless u can show proof that ALL components are made in USA, then SHIPPED to CHINA for assembly, then shipped back for sale....my old ipod says "Designed in California, MADE IN CHINA"

[Swarez99]

How is this any different than East Asian kids watching anime, reading manga and listening to K/J-pop?

Or Italians loving soccer more than other sport, this city seems to be OK with Euro flags during world cup??
First generations always tie back to there own cultures, than after that people get more and more into there new culture.

I'm Irish/French Canadian background and I know that stuff.

[sweeper]

Or Italians loving soccer more than other sport, this city seems to be OK with Euro flags during world cup??
First generations always tie back to there own cultures, than after that people get more and more into there new culture.

I'm Irish/French Canadian background and I know that stuff.

Exactly.

Of course it's okay when white people do it, but heresy when people of a darker complexion do so.

[Agafaba]

Exactly.

Of course it's okay when white people do it, but heresy when people of a darker complexion do so.

Not really, you dont hear many people complaining about black people playing basketball. Dont make this a white vs everyone else thing...

[sweeper]

Not really, you dont hear many people complaining about black people playing basketball. Dont make this a white vs everyone else thing...

The point being argued is immigrants not assimilating into Canadian culture, a.k.a. WASP culture.

[Agafaba]

The point being argued is immigrants not assimilating into Canadian culture, a.k.a. WASP culture.

Then your argument doesnt make any sense... Nobody complains when native Canadians acts like native Canadians, especially when they are discussing immigrants not assimilating into Canadian culture? What else would you expect? :lol:

[r1lee]

unless u can show proof that ALL components are made in USA, then SHIPPED to CHINA for assembly, then shipped back for sale....my old ipod says "Designed in California, MADE IN CHINA"

this is correct for apple products.

Assembled in China requires that majority of components are made elsewhere (in this case the USA) then shipped to China for assembly then shipped back. That would be unfeasible and unprofitable, considering China makes majority of computer components.

[sweeper]

Then your argument doesnt make any sense... Nobody complains when native Canadians acts like native Canadians, especially when they are discussing immigrants not assimilating into Canadian culture? What else would you expect? :lol:

I have no idea what you're trying to say but you're doing a good job of confusing yourself :facepalm:

"Native" Canadians (white WASP Canadians) do complain that immigrants aren't assimilating into their culture yet turn a blind eye when white immigrants do the same thing.

A poster a couple of pages back said brown kids aren't doing a good job of assimilating because they watch Bollywood movies and play cricket all the time. This is no different than East Asian kids watching anime or Italian kids playing soccer and waving their flags when the World Cup/Euros are on.

EDIT: Ironical as WASP Canadians discriminated against Italian, Polish etc. immigrants heavily during the post WWII era. Even set up societies to "preserve" Canadian culture against the influx of foreign culture.

[Siskie]

unless u can show proof that ALL components are made in USA, then SHIPPED to CHINA for assembly, then shipped back for sale....my old ipod says "Designed in California, MADE IN CHINA"

You just answered your own question
says "Designed in California, MADE IN CHINA"

The 'made' part refers to the assembly. China does nothing but assemble the American's idea. The American's have done all the hard work and design in making the product. Then they just tell China what to do and China does it.

But anyways. You want proof of being made/designed in california? Heres your proof

Apple Corporate Address
Apple
1 Infinite Loop
Cupertino, CA 95014
408.996.1010

http://www.apple.com/contact/

[Saibot]

You just answered your own question

The 'made' part refers to the assembly. China does nothing but assemble the American's idea. The American's have done all the hard work and design in making the product. Then they just tell China what to do and China does it.

But anyways. You want proof of being made/designed in california? Heres your proof

http://www.apple.com/contact/

Wait whats the arguement? Parts are manufactured in japan/korea/taiwan/china, and assembly takes place in china.

This is common sense, no?

[neutral]

I have no idea what you're trying to say but you're doing a good job of confusing yourself :facepalm:

"Native" Canadians (white WASP Canadians) do complain that immigrants aren't assimilating into their culture yet turn a blind eye when white immigrants do the same thing.

A poster a couple of pages back said brown kids aren't doing a good job of assimilating because they watch Bollywood movies and play cricket all the time. This is no different than East Asian kids watching anime or Italian kids playing soccer and waving their flags when the World Cup/Euros are on.

EDIT: Ironical as WASP Canadians discriminated against Italian, Polish etc. immigrants heavily during the post WWII era. Even set up societies to "preserve" Canadian culture against the influx of foreign culture.

Of course, and now that other groups have gained more acceptance, a lot of this stuff has become a part of so called Canadian culture.

[Agafaba]

I have no idea what you're trying to say but you're doing a good job of confusing yourself :facepalm:

"Native" Canadians (white WASP Canadians) do complain that immigrants aren't assimilating into their culture yet turn a blind eye when white immigrants do the same thing.

A poster a couple of pages back said brown kids aren't doing a good job of assimilating because they watch Bollywood movies and play cricket all the time. This is no different than East Asian kids watching anime or Italian kids playing soccer and waving their flags when the World Cup/Euros are on.

EDIT: Ironical as WASP Canadians discriminated against Italian, Polish etc. immigrants heavily during the post WWII era. Even set up societies to "preserve" Canadian culture against the influx of foreign culture.

Thats because they dont see white immigrants being different, and when they do see it the same people will complain. Your examples are not very good though as must consider anime as glorified cartoons and every kid I know of played soccer...
You must be new if you havent read lots of subtle (and sometimes not so much) asian bashing on RFD.


And as you said, when those cultures were not a part of Canadian culture they were discriminated against. So answer this, if its White vs everyone else why is it acceptable for basketball to be black dominated in Canada?

[sweeper]

Thats because they dont see white immigrants being different, and when they do see it the same people will complain. Your examples are not very good though as must consider anime as glorified cartoons and every kid I know of played soccer...
You must be new if you havent read lots of subtle (and sometimes not so much) asian bashing on RFD.

And as you said, when those cultures were not a part of Canadian culture they were discriminated against. So answer this, if its White vs everyone else why is it acceptable for basketball to be black dominated in Canada.



LOLOLOLOL That's the problem buddy. Thanks for playing.

You're acting as if it's some sort of crime that black people are dominating basketball in Canada. ROFL ... Not only that you're making no sense ... clutching at straws much?

[neutral]

LOLOLOLOL That's the problem buddy. Thanks for playing.

You're acting as if it's some sort of crime that black people are dominating basketball in Canada. ROFL ... Not only that you're making no sense ... clutching at straws much?

game. set. match.

[Agafaba]

LOLOLOLOL That's the problem buddy. Thanks for playing.

You're acting as if it's some sort of crime that black people are dominating basketball in Canada. ROFL ... Not only that you're making no sense ... clutching at straws much?

How am I implying that? Its a non-white doing things most white people dont and nobody cares because its not different. Its not White people vs the world like you seem to think, its ignorant people vs things that are different.
now then please tell me things that white immigrants do thats visible and is perfectly accepted despite being different?

[sweeper]

How am I implying that? Its a non-white doing things most white people dont and nobody cares because its not different. Its not White people vs the world like you seem to think, its ignorant people vs things that are different.
now then please tell me things that white immigrants do thats visible and is perfectly accepted despite being different?

Huh?????? Uh yeah man, Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers.

[laptopuser]

I prefer to be around my own race, as Indians prefer to be around theirs. In Brampton, the majority whom Ive had dealings with have not assimilated*, whether they're first or second generation Canadians. They teach their children to not date other races. They also prefer to hire their own. All of this is implicitly done by everyone else, but it's only racist/wrong when white people do it. I wonder if there is a visible minority clause for non-brown job seekers in Brampton?

Multiculturalism does not work.

*They do not hold meaningful relationships with other races and/or the vast majority of their dealings are with their own kind

[Agafaba]

Huh?????? Uh yeah man, Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers.

:facepalm:
I really dont know how you have trouble understanding, so lets forget all the other stuff and stick with this one point.

Its not White people vs the world like you seem to think, its ignorant people vs things that are different.

[Doodies]

I prefer to be around my own race, as Indians prefer to be around theirs. In Brampton, the majority whom Ive had dealings with have not assimilated*, whether they're first or second generation Canadians. They teach their children to not date other races. They also prefer to hire their own. All of this is implicitly done by everyone else, but it's only racist/wrong when white people do it. I wonder if there is a visible minority clause for non-brown job seekers in Brampton?

Multiculturalism does not work.

*They do not hold meaningful relationships with other races and/or the vast majority of their dealings are with their own kind

Oh boy, you just opened a can of worms, even though what you said is completely true, people around here are very sensitive to that kind of talk. Lol I love it though....:D

[sweeper]

:facepalm:
I really dont know how you have trouble understanding, so lets forget all the other stuff and stick with this one point.

Its not White people vs the world like you seem to think, its ignorant people vs things that are different.

Nah man, you're just horrible at forming coherent sentences. You might as well be speaking Swahili, I don't get anything from your posts. Good day.

[Agafaba]

Nah man, you're just horrible at forming coherent sentences. You might as well be speaking Swahili, I don't get anything from your posts. Good day.

A++ Would debate again.

[Doodies]

Wait whats the arguement? Parts are manufactured in japan/korea/taiwan/china, and assembly takes place in china.

This is common sense, no?

According to wiki the CPU is made in USA.

As of December 2011, the A5 is manufactured at Samsung's Austin, Texas factory. Samsung invested $3.6 billion in a facility to produce chips other than memory chips (i.e. processors) in Austin and nearly all of that wing's output is dedicated to Apple components.[21]

[Xpwmata]

1918 Riots in Toronto targeting Greek Immigrants
http://www.yorku.ca/yfile/archive/index.asp?Article=3179

In time, South Asian/Muslim immigrants will be accepted just like the Southern Europeans were and just like the Chinese/East Asian are beginning to be (yes this is my opinion).

Nobody deserves to be the victim of racism/prejudice, but this is one of the trade-offs of immigrating to a Country with an existing culture different from your own. Integration and acceptance takes time for both sides.

[neutral]

1918 Riots in Toronto targeting Greek Immigrants
http://www.yorku.ca/yfile/archive/index.asp?Article=3179

In time, South Asian/Muslim immigrants will be accepted just like the Southern Europeans were and just like the Chinese/East Asian are beginning to be (yes this is my opinion).

Nobody deserves to be the victim of racism/prejudice, but this is one of the trade-offs of immigrating to a Country with an existing culture different from your own. Integration and acceptance takes time for both sides.

It will likely happen, but unlikely to the same extent. I don't think we can underestimate the effect of looking different plays here. The integration will happen, but the acceptance is unlikely to be the same.

[kingrukus]

In Brampton, the majority whom Ive had dealings with have not assimilated*, whether they're first or second generation Canadians. They teach their children to not date other races. They also prefer to hire their own. All of this is implicitly done by everyone else, but it's only racist/wrong when white people do it. I wonder if there is a visible minority clause for non-brown job seekers in Brampton?

Multiculturalism does not work.

*They do not hold meaningful relationships with other races and/or the vast majority of their dealings are with their own kind

Agree agree agree.

[kennyhohoho]

I prefer to be around my own race, as Indians prefer to be around theirs. In Brampton, the majority whom Ive had dealings with have not assimilated*, whether they're first or second generation Canadians. They teach their children to not date other races. They also prefer to hire their own. All of this is implicitly done by everyone else, but it's only racist/wrong when white people do it. I wonder if there is a visible minority clause for non-brown job seekers in Brampton?

Multiculturalism does not work.

*They do not hold meaningful relationships with other races and/or the vast majority of their dealings are with their own kind

:lol: So true. Ever been to a Future Shop in Brampton or Mississauga?

[Rainne]

I prefer to be around my own race, as Indians prefer to be around theirs. In Brampton, the majority whom Ive had dealings with have not assimilated*, whether they're first or second generation Canadians. They teach their children to not date other races. They also prefer to hire their own. All of this is implicitly done by everyone else, but it's only racist/wrong when white people do it. I wonder if there is a visible minority clause for non-brown job seekers in Brampton?

Multiculturalism does not work.

*They do not hold meaningful relationships with other races and/or the vast majority of their dealings are with their own kind

Although what you say is true, no one will ever admit it and hide under the cover of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS

[NorthYorker]

In Brampton, the majority whom Ive had dealings with have not assimilated*, whether they're first or second generation Canadians.As far as I remember, in sociology 1st and 2nd generations of migrants are considered "outsiders". Only 3rd generation can be scientifically considered "non-hyphenated".
Multiculturalism does not work.It is not perfect, but it smoothes, to a degree, an integration curve.

[Lazy Susan]

Kid is so dumb. I'll bet she's never even tried curry.

[duckdown]

Turner Fenton is a dump anyways

[Kris81]

HAHAHA .. if she doesn't like it ... she can move up to Thunder Bay or stay in the woods with some bears in Algonquin ...

It's funny that if this was about an asian person saying the same thing, and someone responded with "hahaha. if she doesn't like it... she can move to the mountains and stay in a teepee eating rice all day..." the person would have their post deleted for racist remarks.. glad to see there is equality here!

[WildWolf]

Brown and Asian girls are just going to start taking all the single white males, oh that is already happening. Stupid video she posted. She needs to move to Oshawa.

[Dilton]

It will likely happen, but unlikely to the same extent. I don't think we can underestimate the effect of looking different plays here. The integration will happen, but the acceptance is unlikely to be the same.
But at the rate things are going, it will eventually be white people who will "look different", will it not?

[MrKap]

Can't believe the video got taken down.

Want to know which video would stay up?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=setLfUYi8cc

Why? Because everybody is racist. They have absolutely no tolerance for each other. A 16 year old kid can basically kick the entire foundation out of a city.

That's weak.

[flashy_mcflash]

Racism really isn't about the specific words or phrases you say, it's about the intent and tone. If you can't see the difference in tone and intent in the 16-year-old's video and Peters' act, you should give it another look.

[MrKap]

Racism really isn't about the specific words or phrases you say, it's about the intent and tone. If you can't see the difference in tone and intent in the 16-year-old's video and Peters' act, you should give it another look.

Yeah but the video I posted had extras added into it, to make it comedic, it was a youtube video in response to the video.

It's not even an offensive video. Even with the comedic extras taken out of it. It's not offensive. It's a 16 year old girl.


That's weak.

[CSK'sMom]

Yeah but the video I posted had extras added into it, to make it comedic, it was a youtube video in response to the video.

It's not even an offensive video. Even with the comedic extras taken out of it. It's not offensive. It's a 16 year old girl.


That's weak.

Not weak at all... All links to the video or videos with hers included (what yours was) were removed and will continue to be removed. The actual video has her full name, facebook, etc in it. It's painfully clear that there are some here that would maliciously use that info and RFD does not need to be in any way involved in that. She is a minor. The newspapers have taken the same stand and have not linked to the video or used her name, family name, etc....

If you were really so befuddled as to why I edited your post and removed the link, all you had to do was PM me and ask....

[fuzzy_avocado]

I haven't seen the video but heard about it. What irks me the most is when people equate race and religion as being the same thing. For example, some guy who's running for mayor recently said he's at an advantage because he's Caucasian and can be more relatable than a seikh or a Muslim. Oh yea? Since when does religion determine skin colour? What if you're a white Seikh or a Caucasian that converted to Islam? The ignorance of some people! >:(

[fuzzy_avocado]

Brown and Asian girls are just going to start taking all the single white males, oh that is already happening. Stupid video she posted. She needs to move to Oshawa.

Oshawa? What's the logic?

[MrKap]

I haven't seen the video but heard about it. What irks me the most is when people equate race and religion as being the same thing. For example, some guy who's running for mayor recently said he's at an advantage because he's Caucasian and can be more relatable than a seikh or a Muslim. Oh yea? Since when does religion determine skin colour? What if you're a white Seikh or a Caucasian that converted to Islam? The ignorance of some people! >:(

Is there a religious affiliation with being a Seikh?

Just my personal bias, but I have a feeling anything with a religious connotation would be disadvantaged running for office. Indian, no disadvantage. Religion, probably a disadvantage. I don't know that for a fact though.

Wiki claims irreligion is on the rise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Canada


With Christianity having once been central and integral to Canadian culture and daily life, it has been recently suggested that Canada has come to enter a post-Christian or secular state, where practice of the religion has "moved to the margins of public life",[6][7] and irreligion is on the rise.

It would be like voting a Buddist into office. Or voting a Pope to run Canada.




Not weak at all... All links to the video or videos with hers included (what yours was) were removed and will continue to be removed. The actual video has her full name, facebook, etc in it. It's painfully clear that there are some here that would maliciously use that info and RFD does not need to be in any way involved in that. She is a minor. The newspapers have taken the same stand and have not linked to the video or used her name, family name, etc....

If you were really so befuddled as to why I edited your post and removed the link, all you had to do was PM me and ask....


Well, I didn't really see her name in the video. So if that's an issue, I understand. I thought the video for the first time ever painted the girl in a good light. That's why I posted it. The video does seem to be elsewhere on the web. It was intended to be a good thing, rather than a negative thing, which personally I believe the media is making it out to be a much worse thing that it is. That's all. No harm meant.

[hdave]

It's funny that if this was about an asian person saying the same thing, and someone responded with "hahaha. if she doesn't like it... she can move to the mountains and stay in a teepee eating rice all day..." the person would have their post deleted for racist remarks.. glad to see there is equality here!

+1

The forum nazis here are very selective sometimes

[EmperorOfCanada]

+1

The forum nazis here are very selective sometimes

Its true, we are biased against posts that break the rules.


Girl in video: [Racist rant]
RFD Member: [response telling her if she doesnt like it she can move]

VS

Girl in video: [Racist rant]
RFD Member: [response telling her if she doesnt like it she can move, + throw in some more racial stereotypes]

You cant see the difference?

[fuzzy_avocado]

Is there a religious affiliation with being a Seikh?

Just my personal bias, but I have a feeling anything with a religious connotation would be disadvantaged running for office. Indian, no disadvantage. Religion, probably a disadvantage. I don't know that for a fact though.

Wiki claims irreligion is on the rise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Canada



It would be like voting a Buddist into office. Or voting a Pope to run Canada.






Well, I didn't really see her name in the video. So if that's an issue, I understand. I thought the video for the first time ever painted the girl in a good light. That's why I posted it. The video does seem to be elsewhere on the web. It was intended to be a good thing, rather than a negative thing, which personally I believe the media is making it out to be a much worse thing that it is. That's all. No harm meant.


I feel like you are missing my point.. Caucasian shouldn't mean 'blank slate', and just because someone is Caucasian doesn't mean they can't be Muslim or Buddhist. While I agree that it's probably better not to have a religious slant in your campaign, it's still unfortunate that many people still blur religion and race as being the same thing. All I'm saying is, not all Muslims are Arabs or brown, just like how not all Buddhists are Asian.

When you see my skin colour it shouldn't be assumed what my religion is and vice versa. I overhear so many times a person's race trying to be conveyed through what religious group they "look" like they belong to. Ie: he looked like a Muslim guy.

Anyway, my point here still remains, religion doesn't determine what race you are, faith does.

[Simaahoy]

some people are really spending way to much time talking about this

[Doodies]

some people are really spending way to much time talking about this

Agreed, it is a non issue and never was to begin with. It's just more attention for the people that like to preach about how tolerant they are yada yada blah blah blah, it's all nonsense.

[Junigenmukyoku]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC8EhKs7abI

I thought this was a great response.

[Singh_21]

She got what she deserved and more. Time to move on. Hopefully she learns a lesson.

[GunnyHighway]

She got what she deserved and more. Time to move on. Hopefully she learns a lesson.

So she was physically assaulted which you feel was deserved. How many shots or boots did you get in Mr. Singh?

[Singh_21]

So she was physically assaulted which you feel was deserved. How many shots or boots did you get in Mr. Singh?

There is no evidence of whether she was physically assaulted except for hearsay from some students at her school. There is no proof of it being a hate crime. If it happened, it happened before this video and in this thread, the purpose was to discuss the actions of this particular individual.

and even if I get in a fight one day for a stupid reason and it happens to be with white guys. I am not going to make a video and be racist against every single white person. That will be dumb, wouldn't it?

[WildWolf]

Question Social Media.

[Meta|Gear]

Best follow-up (from a Puuuuuunjabi, of course):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2bwpc-aR-A

That's still a bit offensive towards her, though.

lmao

[transitguy1]

usually when children are expressing such views, it usually means that there is such talk going on in the household between the adults.

The kids hear it, and then it plays out in public.

If her parents were instilling these thoughts into their child......God help them....but thats how it usually is. A lot of racist/intolerant people actively instill the same views into their children's brains.....

[dubey]

Brampton is pretty gross

[WildWolf]

Whatever your position is on this subject, you can't reverse it. Think twice before you do any action.

[peanutz]

I don't know if anyone else mentioned it...

But I see a lot of criticism directed at the girl for being ignorant and unaware of Canadian "multiculturalism" and not a lot of discussion about the fact that in her video, she states that there are around "4 white people" at her school. I don't know about you, but if that were me I might be a little depressed about that, too--like I was when I was forced to move from a vibrant and highly mixed elementary school to a predominantly white school that had only 3 other Asians in my grade.

My own experience with Brampton (not many) was that around 85-90% of the people I came across were brown, which perplexes me in the face of the statistics. The remainder seemed to be East European immigrants or their kids, maybe a few Chinese kids here or there. They were all very nice, and no, my car didn't get ding'd in the parking lot, nor did I notice aberrant driving on the road. :razz:

This, to me, does not represent multiculturalism. It's more or less a monoculture and NONE of the "response videos" addressed this and how it is possibly not a good thing and that it is very unfortunate for the girl. Yes, her words were hateful and probably not deeply-reflected on. Her family should try to move out as soon as they can, or at least have her transferred to another school.

[cheapmeister]

I think the girl should go the school in Georgetown because that is the nearest area which will have a lot of white people. I've also passed by the high school near sandalwood/torbram when school was let out and I have never seen white student leave that school. Its 100% brown, not multi-cultural at all. Are high schools in Markham 100% asian?

[aviador]

IMHO, this thread is unlawful under canadian laws against defamation and hate crimes.

It's a shame this thread has been promoted even by the RFD staff, who permit the use of this public media to libel an underage person who has not been judged legally.

RFD administrators (oranr) please close this thread. In justice, it should be deleted.

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Defamation is written or spoken injury to a person or organization's reputation.

Libel is the written act of defamation. Slander is the oral act of defamation.

Defamation:
An attack on the good reputation of a person, by slander or libel.

Libel:
Defamation by writing such as in a newspaper or a letter.

Slander:
Verbal or spoken defamation.

A central theme through the ages has been that the reputation of the individual is of fundamental importance. Professor R. E. Brown writes in The Law of Defamation in Canada (2nd ed. 1994), at p. 1-4:

(N)o system of civil law can fail to take some account of the right to have one's reputation remain untarnished by defamation." Some form of legal or social constraints on defamatory publications "are to be found in all stages of civilization, however imperfect, remote, and proximate to barbarism.

Defamation, libel and slander laws are the responsibility of the provinces.

Proving Defamation and Assessing Damages
If one can prove that one has been libelled, and there is no defence for the loss of reputation, the law assumes damages and fixes an amount as compensation. The plaintiff does not have to prove damages for actual financial loss. However, in cases of slander, the plaintiff must prove actual financial loss before damages can be awarded. Slanderous statements are oral and therefore, do not have as great an impact as libel which is writtern defamination. In many Canadian Provinces libel and slander have been combined and the distinctions have become blurred.

http://www.canadianlawsite.ca/libel-slander-defamation-of-%20character.htm

[pupazzo]

IMHO, this thread is unlawful under canadian laws against defamation and hate crimes.

It's a shame this thread has been promoted even by the RFD staff, who permit the use of this public media to libel an underage person who has not been judged legally.

RFD administrators (oranr) please close this thread. In justice, it should be deleted.

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Defamation is written or spoken injury to a person or organization's reputation.

Libel is the written act of defamation. Slander is the oral act of defamation.

Defamation:
An attack on the good reputation of a person, by slander or libel.

Libel:
Defamation by writing such as in a newspaper or a letter.

Slander:
Verbal or spoken defamation.

A central theme through the ages has been that the reputation of the individual is of fundamental importance. Professor R. E. Brown writes in The Law of Defamation in Canada (2nd ed. 1994), at p. 1-4:

(N)o system of civil law can fail to take some account of the right to have one's reputation remain untarnished by defamation." Some form of legal or social constraints on defamatory publications "are to be found in all stages of civilization, however imperfect, remote, and proximate to barbarism.

Defamation, libel and slander laws are the responsibility of the provinces.

Proving Defamation and Assessing Damages
If one can prove that one has been libelled, and there is no defence for the loss of reputation, the law assumes damages and fixes an amount as compensation. The plaintiff does not have to prove damages for actual financial loss. However, in cases of slander, the plaintiff must prove actual financial loss before damages can be awarded. Slanderous statements are oral and therefore, do not have as great an impact as libel which is writtern defamination. In many Canadian Provinces libel and slander have been combined and the distinctions have become blurred.

http://www.canadianlawsite.ca/libel-slander-defamation-of-%20character.htm

Lol thanks for the lesson Matlock

[AudiDude]

Reminds me of the ucla girl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoLLEZlpUxk

That girl should either be kicked out of UCLA or UCLA should have a terms of agreement whereby she is not allowed to post on the internet again. I thought there would be some sort of requirement to get into UCLA, but if there is, it is quite apparent that proper English is not one of them. Someone should have asked her to spell epiphany. Her response probably would have been "e....something..."

If you have a point, make sure it is true. If you make fun of someone for something, please make sure you are not deficient in the same area. UCLA girl is full of fail.

[ishfish]

[QUOTE=aviador;14622312]IMHO, this thread is unlawful under canadian laws against defamation and hate crimes.

It's a shame this thread has been promoted even by the RFD staff, who permit the use of this public media to libel an underage person who has not been judged legally.

RFD administrators (oranr) please close this thread. In justice, it should be deleted.

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I think the topic could have ,and maybe has had, some useful and interesting spin off conversations. Unfortunately it was rather predictable that racist comments were going to sneak in. And perhaps more unfortunately the mocking comments made toward a child whom we know little of.

Legal or not somethings are just not right.

[hdave]

IMHO, this thread is unlawful under canadian laws against defamation and hate crimes.

It's a shame this thread has been promoted even by the RFD staff, who permit the use of this public media to libel an underage person who has not been judged legally.

RFD administrators (oranr) please close this thread. In justice, it should be deleted.

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Defamation is written or spoken injury to a person or organization's reputation.

Libel is the written act of defamation. Slander is the oral act of defamation.

Defamation:
An attack on the good reputation of a person, by slander or libel.

Libel:
Defamation by writing such as in a newspaper or a letter.

Slander:
Verbal or spoken defamation.

A central theme through the ages has been that the reputation of the individual is of fundamental importance. Professor R. E. Brown writes in The Law of Defamation in Canada (2nd ed. 1994), at p. 1-4:

(N)o system of civil law can fail to take some account of the right to have one's reputation remain untarnished by defamation." Some form of legal or social constraints on defamatory publications "are to be found in all stages of civilization, however imperfect, remote, and proximate to barbarism.

Defamation, libel and slander laws are the responsibility of the provinces.

Proving Defamation and Assessing Damages
If one can prove that one has been libelled, and there is no defence for the loss of reputation, the law assumes damages and fixes an amount as compensation. The plaintiff does not have to prove damages for actual financial loss. However, in cases of slander, the plaintiff must prove actual financial loss before damages can be awarded. Slanderous statements are oral and therefore, do not have as great an impact as libel which is writtern defamination. In many Canadian Provinces libel and slander have been combined and the distinctions have become blurred.

http://www.canadianlawsite.ca/libel-slander-defamation-of-%20character.htm



I dont understand why p*ssies like you try to ***** block interesting threads

[MrKap]

I feel like you are missing my point.. Caucasian shouldn't mean 'blank slate', and just because someone is Caucasian doesn't mean they can't be Muslim or Buddhist. While I agree that it's probably better not to have a religious slant in your campaign, it's still unfortunate that many people still blur religion and race as being the same thing. All I'm saying is, not all Muslims are Arabs or brown, just like how not all Buddhists are Asian.

No I understand that, but I am talking about political office. I am suggesting to you that if anyone such as a bishop or a pope ran for office and said, "Hey I'm a pope vote for me because that's what I put forward", then people wouldn't vote for it.

Everyone is entitled to whatever they want to believe, but religion as a whole is not a selling point when running for office. I don't know, it sort of seems like that's the way it is everywhere.

It's the whole concept of separating the church from the state. You know I was actually surprised to learn which countries have not seperated the church and the state.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/Secularmap.PNG/800px-Secularmap.PNG

Red means it's separated, orange means it's not, and grey is shady. Not saying it's accurate. It's wiki after all.


When you see my skin colour it shouldn't be assumed what my religion is and vice versa. I overhear so many times a person's race trying to be conveyed through what religious group they "look" like they belong to. Ie: he looked like a Muslim guy.

Anyway, my point here still remains, religion doesn't determine what race you are, faith does.

No I understand that, but since the thread is so tippy toe, I had to mention Popes, Buddhists and Sheiks. It's not my fault if people have a bias towards a race belonging to a religion.


In any event does anyone know the race, immigration status, and religion of the Brampton girl? Or is she just white?

My guess is this is pretty much a thread about the white racist girl in brampton. Of course she started it by lumping 30 or 40 nationalities into the "brown" category. I mean you can't call 30 or 40 different "nationalities", 30 or 40 different "races", can you? For the most part I'll guess "white" is a "race", and "brown" is a race for the purposes of this situation with the brampton girl.

[danfromwaterloo]

IMHO, this thread is unlawful under canadian laws against defamation and hate crimes.

It's a shame this thread has been promoted even by the RFD staff, who permit the use of this public media to libel an underage person who has not been judged legally.

RFD administrators (oranr) please close this thread. In justice, it should be deleted.

-------------
Defamation is written or spoken injury to a person or organization's reputation.

Libel is the written act of defamation. Slander is the oral act of defamation.

Defamation:
An attack on the good reputation of a person, by slander or libel.

Libel:
Defamation by writing such as in a newspaper or a letter.

Slander:
Verbal or spoken defamation.

A central theme through the ages has been that the reputation of the individual is of fundamental importance. Professor R. E. Brown writes in The Law of Defamation in Canada (2nd ed. 1994), at p. 1-4:

(N)o system of civil law can fail to take some account of the right to have one's reputation remain untarnished by defamation." Some form of legal or social constraints on defamatory publications "are to be found in all stages of civilization, however imperfect, remote, and proximate to barbarism.

Defamation, libel and slander laws are the responsibility of the provinces.

Proving Defamation and Assessing Damages
If one can prove that one has been libelled, and there is no defence for the loss of reputation, the law assumes damages and fixes an amount as compensation. The plaintiff does not have to prove damages for actual financial loss. However, in cases of slander, the plaintiff must prove actual financial loss before damages can be awarded. Slanderous statements are oral and therefore, do not have as great an impact as libel which is writtern defamination. In many Canadian Provinces libel and slander have been combined and the distinctions have become blurred.

http://www.canadianlawsite.ca/libel-slander-defamation-of-%20character.htm

The absolute defense for libel and slander is the truth :cheesygri

[Hitman21]

What this girl said was very ignorant and I disagree with her but she still has freedom of speech to say what she wants and its a big problem if she is getting beat up and threatened for this. I don't believe that she is an actual racist but very confused and ignorant. People offended would be wise to try to educate or ignore her but by calling for death threats and calling the police they become worse than her.

[freeloader1969]

I want everyone out of my country, get out. Even though you were born here and have no place to go, get out! :)

She's very young and I would sure like to know what her parent's views are before we totally condemn her.

[Hitman21]

I want everyone out of my country, get out. Even though you were born here and have no place to go, get out! :)

She's very young and I would sure like to know what her parent's views are before we totally condemn her.

Her parents actually apologized for her, they don't have these views

[freeloader1969]

Her parents actually apologized for her, they don't have these views

Wow, I wonder where her anger comes from then? :confused:

[Hitman21]

Wow, I wonder where her anger comes from then? :confused:

It could be due to her being one of the only white people and not happy with what happened to Brampton with one race. There are many people who share her views and many others who are also legitimately racist and have racial hatred of people in Brampton

[ippon]

What this girl said was very ignorant and I disagree with her but she still has freedom of speech to say what she wants and its a big problem if she is getting beat up and threatened for this. I don't believe that she is an actual racist but very confused and ignorant. People offended would be wise to try to educate or ignore her but by calling for death threats and calling the police they become worse than her.

back already to spread your communist propaganda?

[Hitman21]

back already to spread your communist propaganda?

Where do you anything that resembles communism :confused:

[ever1221]

What this girl said was very ignorant and I disagree with her

yeh right.


anyways IMO you can tell the girl has mental problems (just from the way she talks), so I don't think you guys should bash her like that!

[Hitman21]

yeh right.


anyways IMO you can tell the girl has mental problems (just from the way she talks), so I don't think you guys should bash her like that!

Care to explain when I have ever been a racist

[ever1221]

Care to explain when I have ever been a racist

no never.

[lip]

She obviously is not playing with a full deck of cards...

However, Brampton has turned into a dump in all respects whereas it used to be one of the nicest cities in the GTA 30 years ago. The housing prices have consistenly been much lower than surrounding areas and there is a reason for that. Just take a walk through some of the neighbourhoods...many people don't take care of their houses, they have multiple families in one house and thus cars parked on their grass and certain groups tend to stick in certain areas creating "ghettos".

Brampton sucks. Simple as that.

[Hitman21]

She obviously is not playing with a full deck of cards...

However, Brampton has turned into a dump in all respects whereas it used to be one of the nicest cities in the GTA 30 years ago. The housing prices have consistenly been much lower than surrounding areas and there is a reason for that. Just take a walk through some of the neighbourhoods...many people don't take care of their houses, they have multiple families in one house and thus cars parked on their grass and certain groups tend to stick in certain areas creating "ghettos".

I personally don't really care if Sikh's want to live all together and not integrate...It would be nice if they tried to integrate and learned our language (I'm speaking about what seems like the 80% the Sikh population in Brampton that is over 50 )

I really am just sick that I'm paying for our immigration policy that lets in 60 year olds into this country on family class VISA's whereas I had to sponsor my wife who has two masters degrees and is from Europe and is perfectly bilingual. I now don't even bother going to the hospital in Brampton as it's full of aged Sikh's who are feeling a little under the weather but haven't heard of the walk in clinic or doctor and thus I just go straight to credit valley where I can see a doctor in an hour whereas in Brampton it's about 4-6 hours on average (I know as I've been there multiple times in the past 2 years with my family).

Brampton sucks. Simple as that.

I agree. Brampton was a good city but they expanded way too much. Much of problem is the immigration policy with the whole family reunification that allows for grandparents to come in and they cost a lot of money. The hospital in Brampton is horrible and its because of the overpopulation and abuse.

[Metagame]

I prefer to be around my own race, as Indians prefer to be around theirs. In Brampton, the majority whom Ive had dealings with have not assimilated*, whether they're first or second generation Canadians. They teach their children to not date other races. They also prefer to hire their own. All of this is implicitly done by everyone else, but it's only racist/wrong when white people do it. I wonder if there is a visible minority clause for non-brown job seekers in Brampton?

Multiculturalism does not work.

*They do not hold meaningful relationships with other races and/or the vast majority of their dealings are with their own kind

So, let me get this straight, just because a first or second gen Canadian prefers to only date within their own race, they are not "assimilated"? This is not multiculturalism blah blah blah, this simply human nature. Just look at the U.S, for example, which is a melting pot and the many ethnic groups who have been there for hundreds of years still majorly prefer their own.

So how does not being attracted to other races mean you're not assimilated? Because, if that is the case, then a lot of White Canadians should be considered not assimilated as well.

As for preferring to hire your own kind, what is wrong with that? You really think white people don't do this? Just look at any board of director executives and management people on all of the firms on Bay Street. 99% of them are white. Yet, you don't see minorities crying racism.

[Doodies]

So, let me get this straight, just because a first or second gen Canadian prefers to only date within their own race, they are not "assimilated"? This is not multiculturalism blah blah blah, this simply human nature. Just look at the U.S, for example, which is a melting pot and the many ethnic groups who have been there for hundreds of years still majorly prefer their own.

So how does not being attracted to other races mean you're not assimilated? Because, if that is the case, then a lot of White Canadians should be considered not assimilated as well.

As for preferring to hire your own kind, what is wrong with that? You really think white people don't do this? Just look at any board of director executives and management people on all of the firms on Bay Street. 99% of them are white. Yet, you don't see minorities crying racism.

Uhhhhh... I see/hear about that quite often. Although I do agree that there is nothing wrong with not being attracted to other races.

[Metagame]

Uhhhhh... I see/hear about that quite often. Although I do agree that there is nothing wrong with not being attracted to other races.

Then I'm sure you would have no problem posting some sources or evidence to support this if it's as widespread as you and others in this thread claim? I don't see any protests to bring affirmative action to Canada, do you?

[Piro21]

I can't believe he's starting up with this again :facepalm:

[Doodies]

Then I'm sure you would have no problem posting some sources or evidence to support this if it's as widespread as you and others in this thread claim? I don't see any protests to bring affirmative action to Canada, do you?

It is already here, Employment equity act, or equal oppurtunity employers... same **** different name. If you read the news papers there is always some one complaing about being disciminated against when it comes to employment....

[MVP1]

Brampton sounds kind of like Surrey in BC which is also full of brown people, many of them new immigrants so they aren't that accustomed to the Canadian life style. I can see how it would drive someone from a different background a little crazy. That being said that girl didn't need to go on such a racist rant.

[Metagame]

It is already here, Employment equity act, or equal oppurtunity employers... same **** different name. If you read the news papers there is always some one complaing about being disciminated against when it comes to employment....

I've read both. I'm not in favour of them, personally, but they are no where near as bad as AA in the U.S as such a bill would be against the Bill of Rights. One person complaining about discrimination in a newspaper is your example that all minorities do? :lol::facepalm:

Also, discrimination is real in the workforce, as it is in everyday life. I don't have a problem with discrimination at all, as businesses should be free to hire whom they please without any government intervention. If that means businesses will only hire people who are of their own ethnicity, then so be it.

[gizmo8]

I know a nurse who transfer out of Brampton hospital...she says its the worst work environment she ever experience in her 18 years of ER nursing.Certain group of residence abuses the ER for any non emergency illnesses that if they dont get in front of the line because their "background" gave the most in donations to building the hospital they make a scene.It got so bad they had to hire security that speaks the language to control them.She says a lot of nurses are asking for transfer out also but most hospitals arent excepting additional nurses because of budget restraints so they have to stay.

[Becks]

Thanks to RFD Off Topic, I have learned that Brampton has a lot of brown people. I do not know where Brampton is except that it is on the outskirts of Toronto? ... I think Canadians who have lived here for a number of years don't like the feeling of being invaded, taken over, taken for granted, displaced, or ignored by newcomers. This is a natural feeling, isn't it? However, I think one has to take the extra step to overcome these "defensive feelings" by stepping out of one's comfort zone and trying to take steps to know new people and cultures. That's the only way to get past barriers and build bridges.

[philliplewis98]

Thanks to RFD Off Topic, I have learned that Brampton has a lot of brown people. I do not know where Brampton is except that it is on the outskirts of Toronto? ... I think Canadians who have lived here for a number of years don't like the feeling of being invaded, taken over, taken for granted, displaced, or ignored by newcomers. This is a natural feeling, isn't it? However, I think one has to take the extra step to overcome these "defensive feelings" by stepping out of one's comfort zone and trying to take steps to know new people and cultures. That's the only way to get past barriers and build bridges.

Brampton is in Peel Region of the GTA

[Hitman21]

Thanks to RFD Off Topic, I have learned that Brampton has a lot of brown people. I do not know where Brampton is except that it is on the outskirts of Toronto? ... I think Canadians who have lived here for a number of years don't like the feeling of being invaded, taken over, taken for granted, displaced, or ignored by newcomers. This is a natural feeling, isn't it? However, I think one has to take the extra step to overcome these "defensive feelings" by stepping out of one's comfort zone and trying to take steps to know new people and cultures. That's the only way to get past barriers and build bridges.

Except that many of the people in Brampton don't want to assimilate, they want to stick with their own, this is very obvious if you go there.

[Rainne]

When minorities only want to socialize with their own, hire their own and buy from their own, it's okay. But it's suddenly racist if you know who does it.

[Hitman21]

When minorities only want to socialize with their own, hire their own and buy from their own, it's okay. But it's suddenly racist if you know who does it.

Agreed. Why is there such a double standard?

[elmst200]

who are minorities in Markham and Brampton?