Sauga wants to get a casino, what do u think?

[cheapmeister]

http://www.thestar.com/news/mississauga/article/1163695--mississauga-ready-to-turn-bingo-into-ka-ching-with-electronic-gaming?bn=1


“Bingo halls are dying because people are all going to Woodbine and Mohawk,” Councillor Sue McFadden told the Star after council passed a motion to go forward with an OLG initiative to convert old-style charity bingo halls into modern electronic gaming centres. The profits will still go to charities.

Asked if a full-service casino might be the next step, she said, “I think it would be great. I think it stimulates jobs and tourism into the city. It certainly helps Milton and Windsor (which already have casinos).”


Wow, Mississauga must be going belly up to want to get a casino. Do you support the idea of the city getting a casino? Why don't they do something else like trim the fat at the top. Over 100 city employees are making over 100k a year, when the city needs money.

[CDNPatriot]

http://www.thestar.com/news/mississauga/article/1163695--mississauga-ready-to-turn-bingo-into-ka-ching-with-electronic-gaming?bn=1

Wow, Mississauga must be going belly up to want to get a casino. Do you support the idea of the city getting a casino? Why don't they do something else like trim the fat at the top. Over 100 city employees are making over 100k a year, when the city needs money.

Those earning 100k would not manage or supervise an office of 150 unionized staff for Tim Horton wages. I don't think you would either.

As for the Casino they are simply competing with Mayor Blob Lardship and Hog Ford's Casinon idea. This demonstrates that Mississauga has figured out that it will not be able to grow itself any more by attracting new industries.

This is the sad vision with Canadian politicians. Instead of thinking of concrete ways to grow the economy they think of more ways to destroy families and to put people on assistance.

[-=phelan=-]

id be totally for the casino in the gta. saves me some cash from driving down to niagara. I know not everyone is supportive of that but is my two cents

[ali123]

It's a good way to make tax

[Kinki]

only if it's the MGM, like that being talked about in Toronto. MGM caters to non-gamblers too... like offering food and show.

[flashy_mcflash]

Sure, go ahead and build it and let Mississauga deal with the social and infrastructure issues that come with a casino. It's not like any casino is going to bring in tons of money to its host city anyhow, considering that the lion's share of the revenue would be going to the province.

[sleepyguy]

I don't know the infrastructure cause/effects but personally it would be good in my books! Love poker and nothing else at Casinos... would be a much closer drive for me than Niagara :)

[djemzine]

If so, count me in. Will definitely save me gas from going to Niagara.

Anyone a black jack player here?

[Psubs]

Anyone a black jack player here?

I stopped playing because it took so long to make money (like tripling your money took 3 hours) and playing with dumb people was too frustrating. It felt more like work than fun. :(

Loved playing at the MGM's daily poker tournaments. It was tough and never made it to 2 hours but was fun!

Playing in Aruba was fun but it was limit at the Holiday Inn's poker room. It felt like work and frustrating with so many chasers.

A Vegas style MGM Grand would be great, with a pool, auditorium, clubs, nice restaurants, etc.

[at1212b]

Sauga might work. If they can make it like an alternative to Square One, and give it that Entertainment Central feel. I mean how many people actually go to there to shop.. it's more of a hub. Adding stuff like a nice aquariums, and novelty places (think of lundy's lane in Niagara) with decent restaurants, I think would work.

I was listening to an interview with a top MGM Grande executive, and he said the Casino would actually be a very small footprint compared to the whole thing.

I see the logic in that they want to be near the business district in Toronto, public transit.. think of how many people travelling on business, corporate events, would go, but the limited thing would be parking.

The Docks area had something similar going but it is just way too far off in nowwhere.

[r1lee]

As for the Casino they are simply competing with Mayor Blob Lardship and Hog Ford's Casinon idea. This demonstrates that Mississauga has figured out that it will not be able to grow itself any more by attracting new industries.


I get that you don't like Mayor Ford. But seriously, what's with the name calling? But I guess you don't know anyone with a weight problem though.

McGuinty is the one who plans on opening up 2 casino's in our province as a revenue generator. The question is, where are they going to go? Ford is interested in the idea and is willing to consider it.

If McGuinty wasn't in the monetory state problem that he's in, this wouldn't be a topic of discussion. But I guess you really didn't take that into consideration, considering he VOWED to not expand gambling.. another great lie.

[flashy_mcflash]

I get that you don't like Mayor Ford. But seriously, what's with the name calling? But I guess you don't know anyone with a weight problem though.


Yeah, because only Rob Ford gets to throw the ad hominem around. Why are we, all of a sudden, so gung-ho about protecting this guy's poor, delicate feelings?


July 23, 2005: During a council debate over a pothole, Mr. Ford calls fellow Councillor Gloria Lindsay Luby “a joke. She’s a waste of time. A waste of skin.”


March 6, 2002: During a council budget debate, Mr. Ford calls fellow Councillor George Mammoliti a “Gino-boy.”


April 15, 2006: Security guards remove a drunken and belligerent Mr. Ford from a Maple Leafs game after he shouts insults at an out-of-town couple. The attacks began after the man asks Mr. Ford to be quiet. Mr. Ford responds: “Who the f*** do you think you are? Are you a f****** teacher?” Failing to get a response, he turns his attention to the man’s wife: “Do you want your little wife to go over to Iran and get raped and shot?” The couple realizes the angry man’s identity after Mr. Ford leaves behind a business card. When reporters confront Mr. Ford with the couple’s complaint, he denies being at the hockey game. A day later, he comes clean, saying he lied because he felt “embarrassed and humiliated.”

[starkiller2010]

If MGM wants to invest $2 billion to provide Toronto with a world-class entertainment venue with clubs, restaurants, and a casino, I say why not? Give them the CNE/Ontario place area. This will also speed up the need for our DRL subway/rapid transit line (Pape > Union > CNE). Only thing I don't want is the brothel (was that part of the package?)

[djemzine]

I stopped playing because it took so long to make money (like tripling your money took 3 hours) and playing with dumb people was too frustrating. It felt more like work than fun. :(

Loved playing at the MGM's daily poker tournaments. It was tough and never made it to 2 hours but was fun!

Playing in Aruba was fun but it was limit at the Holiday Inn's poker room. It felt like work and frustrating with so many chasers.

A Vegas style MGM Grand would be great, with a pool, auditorium, clubs, nice restaurants, etc.

Agreed


If MGM wants to invest $2 billion to provide Toronto with a world-class entertainment venue with clubs, restaurants, and a casino, I say why not? Give them the CNE/Ontario place area. This will also speed up the need for our DRL subway/rapid transit line (Pape > Union > CNE). Only thing I don't want is the brothel (was that part of the package?)

Aww its all about the brothel. LOL. Jks jks of course.

[manmanny]

I get that you don't like Mayor Ford. But seriously, what's with the name calling? But I guess you don't know anyone with a weight problem though.

McGuinty is the one who plans on opening up 2 casino's in our province as a revenue generator. The question is, where are they going to go? Ford is interested in the idea and is willing to consider it.

If McGuinty wasn't in the monetory state problem that he's in, this wouldn't be a topic of discussion. But I guess you really didn't take that into consideration, considering he VOWED to not expand gambling.. another great lie.

Cut him slack. Look at the posted time. He is pissed as always.
I thought it was Dalton Governments idea for Casinos and not Mayor Ford. But you wont see name calling for premier.
Name calling is new Mantra for Left. And If you ask one something its will be answered by his "teammate".

[r1lee]

Yeah, because only Rob Ford gets to throw the ad hominem around. Why are we, all of a sudden, so gung-ho about protecting this guy's poor, delicate feelings?

What does this have anything to do with you? Be a better person and move on. Stepping down to a new low isn't what we're striving to do, or maybe we are?

calling someone a joke and a waste of skin refers to their usefullness as a person, individually. When making fun of someone's weight, you should be mindful of everyone you personally know who is obese.

I guess it's just me. Name calling doesn't really add anything to the discussion of the topic on hand.

[Kris81]

We need a big ***** casino resort in ontario. Spread the profits: 40% federal, 40% provincial, 20% owners. Everyone will still make billions

[DiceMan]

I have no objections to a casino even though I don't gamble. I can't quite picture a good place for it in Mississauga and the Square One area doesn't feel right.

What would feel right to me is the airport area, though that would make it Etobicoke and not Mississauga.

[r1lee]

Cut him slack. Look at the posted time. He is pissed as always.
I thought it was Dalton Governments idea for Casinos and not Mayor Ford. But you wont see name calling for premier.
Name calling is new Mantra for Left. And If you ask one something its will be answered by his "teammate".

lol, i agree we had this conversation in another thread on why the left feels it always needs to resort to name calling. Far less so then the right, but who's counting.

That's the thing that gets me scratching my head. These guys all sit here and blame Harper for what's been happening to Canada since well Trudeau. Cause you know, Harper is to blame for everything.

Ditto on Ford, he's ruined this city, since he's been running it for 2 years. But Miller was just amazing.. lol

They totally forget everything Rae and recently McGuinty has done, but Harris was the worst thing since since Hitler.

[particleman]

It seems like every city wants a Casino nowadays. I would prefer that there not be a Casino, but if you are going to plop it somewhere, I think the ideal place would be to put it next to the Airport or even better attached to the Airport. At least that way it targets tourists and people passing through the Airport as opposed to local residents.

[flashy_mcflash]

What does this have anything to do with you? Be a better person and move on. Stepping down to a new low isn't what we're striving to do, or maybe we are?

Meh, personally I'm done with taking the high road, especially on the internet. If you have different goals/values, play on playa.



lol, i agree we had this conversation in another thread on why the left feels it always needs to resort to name calling. Far less so then the right, but who's counting.

Seems like the right is all about counting. That's why they get so butthurt when they dish out personal attacks and can't take it when people actually stand up to them with their own tactics.

[r1lee]

Meh, personally I'm done with taking the high road, especially on the internet. If you have different goals/values, play on playa.


can't be done if you never started. Just wanted to get that fact out.

[CanadaGooseForumAdmin]

Here's the previous topic on the possible new Toronto & Ottawa OLG casinos: http://forums.redflagdeals.com/olg-pushes-toronto-casino-expansion-bid-1152529/


Anyone a black jack player here?

I used to play heavily, up to four times a week at my local casino, but only go occasionally now. My bankroll quickly went from zero to $12k within my first few months of regular casino visits and is currently sitting a couple hundred dollars shy of zero again after bleeding it all back slowly over two years. I have never gambled with my own money, fortunately, so none of this affects my personal finances. It's all fun money kept separate.

It was a combination of luck, knowledge of basic strategy, and card counting that resulted in my meteoric rise and subsequent plummet. The odd thing is that I actually LOST more money counting cards than when I was randomly betting large whilst relying solely on basic strategy. The huge losses came from when the count was sky-high, I would bet big, and get absolutely DESTROYED simply by not getting optimal hands or having the dealer's total beat me by one. FRUSTRATING when you get two tens, practically guaranteed to win, but the dealer turns his initially-garbage hand into 21 while you have $500 or more on the line.

Now that I've had my little adventure, would I do it all again? Yes. Would I recommend it to anybody? Not if you're actually looking to make money. Getting a 0.5% or 1.0% edge over the house is huge for advantage players, but come on, even a savings account offers 1.5%, and you don't have to spend exhausting hours in a casino. Can you make money at blackjack? Yes. But is it the wisest and easiest way to make a little extra side money or even as a primary source of income? Not by a long shot. It's a fun way to do it, but not completely smart.

What I will miss:
-The wild wins and gathering crowds around me, not being able to organize my chips by colour or neat little stacks because I keep winning faster than I can pile them up
-The hot girls and hot female dealers who are crawling at the casino
-The electric atmosphere when the whole table seems to be crushing the dealer, and even the dealer is happy because all the players are tipping him/her heavily
-Getting comped... never spent a dime of my own money eating there
-The fact that I was always floating on casino money, so it was like they were paying me to be there
-The feeling of my wallet bursting in my pants pocket from the sheer amount of $100 bills I was carrying at any given time
-Being back at home and counting the money spread out across my bed and then hiding it like a squirrel storing nuts for the winter

What I won't miss:
-Belligerent and incompetent players
-HORRENDOUSLY bad luck during what should have been optimal conditions for betting big
-The long/odd/graveyard hours playing
-The commute (I live 40 minutes away, and after the long exhausting hours playing, it feels like it takes an eternity to get home)
-The regret-filled sleepless nights after losing several thousand dollars
-The excited sleepless nights after winning several thousand dollars
-The delusions of grandeur it was giving me, making me think I was an invincible player and was gonna practically rob Vegas one of these days
-The delusion that I thought I could remain on Employment Insurance and keep playing blackjack to earn my living forever (I was temporarily unemployed during my heaviest gambling days, both because I was bored sitting at home AND because I thought I was able to make money)

One of my friends convinced me to write a memoir of my entire time as a blackjack player. It certainly was an interesting era of my life, not only because of playing cards, but what was happening in my life at the time and where my mind was at the time too. I had been contemplating it for a while already, so his recommendation was the final push I needed. I've currently got a draft started on my computer. Look for it to hit bookshelves next year. :lol:

In the meantime, I've really been trying to like Texas Hold'Em and to learn to play it properly, not just the casual "poker night with the boys" style where it doesn't matter. I don't know what it is, but I find the game EXTREMELY boring, and the reading material dry and uninteresting. I wouldn't call myself a player though. I only occasionally play for micro stakes online. I'm down about $50... chump change compared to an average hand I could win or lose at blackjack. :lol:

Or, if you want a memoir that's already published by a guy who moved from moderately successful blackjack to dismal poker, read Josh Axelrad's "Repeat Until Rich", which is his account of his rise and downfall playing blackjack. It was an entertaining read.

[flashy_mcflash]

can't be done if you never started. Just wanted to get that fact out.

Whatever you say. I've agreed with Ford on a couple of issues, including the one in this thread. I believe Ford came out and said that he preferred the casino be placed at Woodbine, which IMO is much smarter than one downtown.

[r1lee]

Whatever you say. I've agreed with Ford on a couple of issues, including the one in this thread. I believe Ford came out and said that he preferred the casino be placed at Woodbine, which IMO is much smarter than one downtown.

lol. I'm not sure how the Impact of a Casino downtown will affect the city. I'm neither for it or against it at this point. The idea of it being where Atlantis/Ontario Place seems ok, since that space is no longer used.

Too bad Ontario Place has shut down though.

[manmanny]

...

Too bad Ontario Place has shut down though.

+1

[flashy_mcflash]

lol. I'm not sure how the Impact of a Casino downtown will affect the city. I'm neither for it or against it at this point. The idea of it being where Atlantis/Ontario Place seems ok, since that space is no longer used.

Too bad Ontario Place has shut down though.

A downtown casino would put a lot of pressure on the city's infrastructure. Our commute times are already terrible and the Ontario Place site isn't well served by transit at all. That's my biggest concern with putting it down there. I have no major problem with casinos in general even if it's not an activity I personally enjoy.

Putting the casino at Woodbine seems like a no-brainer for me. There's already some facilities there and lots of room for expansion, and would probably create some much-needed jobs in Rexdale.

[r1lee]

A downtown casino would put a lot of pressure on the city's infrastructure. Our commute times are already terrible and the Ontario Place site isn't well served by transit at all. That's my biggest concern with putting it down there. I have no major problem with casinos in general even if it's not an activity I personally enjoy.

Putting the casino at Woodbine seems like a no-brainer for me. There's already some facilities there and lots of room for expansion, and would probably create some much-needed jobs in Rexdale.

I too do not partake in Casino's.

I work in Rexdale, actually 5min from the Casino. Even though I agree that it would be a good idea to upgrade the facility. Is this Casino really attracting out of town guests and tourists?

This is where I see the benefits of some form of Epicentre/Casino right on the waterfront. Walking distance/Taxi for tourists and out of town guests or just residents who don't have access to a vehicle since they live dowtown.

[stuntman]

Slowly but surely gambling is making itself more accessible.

I don't think it is a good idea. Too many people gamble more than they can afford. Having easier access to a casino hurts those that have/develop a gambling addiction habit that hurts themselves and their family.

I am not going to say that gambling addiction and drug addiction are the same thing. But, both are harmful in their own way and making them easier to access is a big money generator but there is a cost to society that I find unacceptable. I find them easier to accept when they are in the middle of nowhere.

[manmanny]

I too do not partake in Casino's.

I work in Rexdale, actually 5min from the Casino. Even though I agree that it would be a good idea to upgrade the facility. Is this Casino really attracting out of town guests and tourists?

This is where I see the benefits of some form of Epicentre/Casino right on the waterfront. Walking distance/Taxi for tourists and out of town guests or just residents who don't have access to a vehicle since they live dowtown.

Is this "No Casino in Downtown approach" exists because Mayor Ford wants it? And Downtown is say NDP backers?
I wonder is there would be protest/stand opposing if Mayor Ford said No Casinos in Downtown, never.
Dalton Says Casinos at Ontario Place nobody says !@#$.
Mayor Ford says Casinos are welcome in Toronto and all hell broke lose.

[stuntman]

lol. I'm not sure how the Impact of a Casino downtown will affect the city. I'm neither for it or against it at this point. The idea of it being where Atlantis/Ontario Place seems ok, since that space is no longer used.

Too bad Ontario Place has shut down though.

Some items are still open, including Atlantis.
http://www.ontarioplace.com/

I also thought more things were going to open but the website says pending. :(

[flashy_mcflash]

I too do not partake in Casino's.

I work in Rexdale, actually 5min from the Casino. Even though I agree that it would be a good idea to upgrade the facility. Is this Casino really attracting out of town guests and tourists?

This is where I see the benefits of some form of Epicentre/Casino right on the waterfront. Walking distance/Taxi for tourists and out of town guests or just residents who don't have access to a vehicle since they live dowtown.

The problem with Woodbine is that it isn't really a casino at all, but a racetrack with slots but it still brings a lot of people in for just that. A facility of the type MGM is describing would bring tons of people in regardless of location (I mean, people still go to Casino Rama in the middle of nowhere, right?) so putting it right downtown isn't really necessary. Gambling is like cigarettes/alcohol - people will do what they have to do to consume it.

Regarding people without vehicles, there are lots of shuttle buses that go from different areas of Toronto to Niagara, Rama, and Woodbine. That's part of the reason why I wouldn't want this downtown - the impact of those buses on gridlock would be near-catastrophic.

Tangentally, Woodbine Live (http://www.woodbineentertainment.com/corporate/futureprojects/Pages/WoodbineLive.aspx) was supposed to be one of Ford's big accomplishments (http://www.torontolife.com/daily/informer/ford-focus/2012/03/28/rob-ford-gets-chewed-out-over-woodbine-lives-lack-of-progress/) and pet projects, yet it's been in development hell for a long time.

[r1lee]

Is this "No Casino in Downtown approach" exists because Mayor Ford wants it? And Downtown is say NDP backers?
I wonder is there would be protest/stand opposing if Mayor Ford said No Casinos in Downtown, never.
Dalton Says Casinos at Ontario Place nobody says !@#$.
Mayor Ford says Casinos are welcome in Toronto and all hell broke lose.

lol, that was my point on my first response to CDNPatriot. McGuinty is the one who floated the idea and nothing. Ford is ok with a referendum on it and is "feeling out" the option and people go crazy.

Ford has no power to introduce any casino's into Toronto unless its approved through McGuinty and the OLG.


I don't think it is a good idea. Too many people gamble more than they can afford. Having easier access to a casino hurts those that have/develop a gambling addiction habit that hurts themselves and their family.

I am not going to say that gambling addiction and drug addiction are the same thing. But, both are harmful in their own way and making them easier to access is a big money generator but there is a cost to society that I find unacceptable. I find them easier to accept when they are in the middle of nowhere.

But gambling has been accessible through other means like Online Gambling. The idea is that if you're going to gamble, nothing is going to stop you on doing it. That's why I'm not sure if gambling addiction isn't already inherently out there, all we're doing is cashing in on those individuals and keeping the money local instead of going offshore.

I work 5min from a Casino but never have I ever had the urge to go. Even when I do gamble the odd times at Niagara/Vegas, the addiction has never overwhelmed me as I'm not fond of losing money.

I'm not for or against a Casino in the downtown core. I don't believe in environmental impacts studies as those can be sku'd to whomever is paying the bill.

how have all the other cities around the world dealt with this problem/asset?



Some items are still open, including Atlantis.
http://www.ontarioplace.com/

I also thought more things were going to open but the website says pending. :(

I wouldn't tear down the amphitheatre or the Marina. But how much revenue does Atlantis bring in? if the government is going to shutdown Ontario Place, I woldn't be surprised that Atlantis could survive on its own financially either. Not that there is any correlation between the two.

[r1lee]

The problem with Woodbine is that it isn't really a casino at all, but a racetrack with slots but it still brings a lot of people in for just that. A facility of the type MGM is describing would bring tons of people in regardless of location (I mean, people still go to Casino Rama in the middle of nowhere, right?) so putting it right downtown isn't really necessary. Gambling is like cigarettes/alcohol - people will do what they have to do to consume it.

Regarding people without vehicles, there are lots of shuttle buses that go from different areas of Toronto to Niagara, Rama, and Woodbine. That's part of the reason why I wouldn't want this downtown - the impact of those buses on gridlock would be near-catastrophic.



could be absolutely right, i have no preference when it comes to this stuff and couldn't really care less. Ontario Place is gone, i would like the gov't to consider putting something special down there. Casino, Park, I don't care really what it is, but something that attracts people. It's has huge potential to be epic. But we'll mess it up someway or another.

[flashy_mcflash]

could be absolutely right, i have no preference when it comes to this stuff and couldn't really care less. Ontario Place is gone, i would like the gov't to consider putting something special down there. Casino, Park, I don't care really what it is, but something that attracts people. It's has huge potential to be epic. But we'll mess it up someway or another.

I 100% agree. I want something awesome at Ontario Place, just think that a big, windowless building with a gigantic parking structure shouldn't be that thing. Something closer to Harbourfront Centre (but better) would be ideal.

Also, it should be said, that most people seem to want the casino at Woodbine (http://www.insidetoronto.com/news/local/article/1338021--poll-supports-woodbine-as-top-casino-location).

[r1lee]

I 100% agree. I want something awesome at Ontario Place, just think that a big, windowless building with a gigantic parking structure shouldn't be that thing. Something closer to Harbourfront Centre (but better) would be ideal.

Also, it should be said, that most people seem to want the casino at Woodbine (http://www.insidetoronto.com/news/local/article/1338021--poll-supports-woodbine-as-top-casino-location).

then I'm for what the people of Toronto want. Things in this city should be done more with Referendums. City Council is a joke, These policitians always put their interests ahead of their constituent

Build up Etobicoke cause that land is massive and put something fun and exciting downtown. It doesn't necessariliy have to generate revenue directly but something that majority can live with and want.
World Class city right there.

but now the question is what? lol.. another 20 years?

[stuntman]

But gambling has been accessible through other means like Online Gambling. The idea is that if you're going to gamble, nothing is going to stop you on doing it. That's why I'm not sure if gambling addiction isn't already inherently out there, all we're doing is cashing in on those individuals and keeping the money local instead of going offshore.

Detroit does not like the Windsor Casino. Detroit City Counsel and other members of their community were/are furious with it because of the increase in problems it brings to Detroit. Part of that is increased money flow out of the city due to the Windsor Casino part of it is an increase in other gambling related issues.

physical presence with gambling appeals to an overlapping but different scope of gamblers.
Having a physical casino near will increase the issues that come with gambling, the number of gamblers and increase the amount individuals lose to gambling. I don't think it is good to cause harm to those in my community or those surrounding it even if I experience a net gain due to the income it generates.

[CanadaGooseForumAdmin]

Slowly but surely gambling is making itself more accessible.

I don't think it is a good idea. Too many people gamble more than they can afford. Having easier access to a casino hurts those that have/develop a gambling addiction habit that hurts themselves and their family.

I am not going to say that gambling addiction and drug addiction are the same thing. But, both are harmful in their own way and making them easier to access is a big money generator but there is a cost to society that I find unacceptable. I find them easier to accept when they are in the middle of nowhere.

I think your point is corroborated by the below quote:


Gambling is like cigarettes/alcohol - people will do what they have to do to consume it.

While I am almost completely anti-vice, that is to say I am personally vehemently opposed to drugs (even alcohol, don't get me started), illegal gambling, prostitution, etc., legal gambling is my exception, and not just because I am a [former] player. Sure, many people gamble more than they can afford, but they also abuse their credit cards, buy houses larger than they can afford, and carry massive debt too. People will always be careless and impulsive with money and unnecessary expenditures, no matter what avenue they're given to do it... whether it be a casino, loan, or credit. If people want to be fiscally irresponsible, that is their problem. I know I am merciless but I have absolutely no sympathy for those who consciously go down questionable paths or make unbelievably stupid choices. It's like if you choose to get behind the wheel while intoxicated, you choose to accept any and all consequences that go along with it, and I would have no pity on you because nobody forced you to drive drunk except yourself.

And when I say personally vehemently opposed to vices, I mean that only for myself, in that I will NEVER touch them because I don't want the consequences that come with them in my life. I wish I could rid the world of recreational substances (even if that means making common ones like alcohol and tobacco vanish completely and permanently), illegal gambling, and prostitution. HOWEVER, I have no problems if people want to do these things, and actually encourage/support those who enact safer measures/laws under which to operate these vices much like legally-sanctioned casinos. If people want to visit government-owned brothels or drug facilities, go right ahead. It's not my business as long as people are safe but I personally won't be partaking in them.

Several people in this thread alone have stated that they're also okay with casinos even though they won't have anything to do with them. It's like that. I say vices for all (because who are we as individuals to stop everybody), but [virtually] none for me and those who wish to avoid them. Let those who abuse those privileges destroy their own lives. This overpopulated world could stand to weed out the weak. How nihilistic and Darwinistic of me. :lol:

[r1lee]

Detroit does not like the Windsor Casino. Detroit City Counsel and other members of their community were/are furious with it because of the increase in problems it brings to Detroit. Part of that is increased money flow out of the city due to the Windsor Casino part of it is an increase in other gambling related issues.

physical presence with gambling appeals to an overlapping but different scope of gamblers.
Having a physical casino near will increase the issues that come with gambling, the number of gamblers and increase the amount individuals lose to gambling. I don't think it is good to cause harm to those in my community or those surrounding it even if I experience a net gain due to the income it generates.

Unless you can prove that a local Casino actually affects the local and surrounding economy through loss of Net income (must include people who gamble online etc), then I find it hard to discuss the merits of the impact. If the NET spent on gambling (online-offshore, at woodbine, niagara etc) are the same then I don't see a problem. If anything a positive reinforcement of "they are gambling it anyways, but somewhere else" can be argued.

Of course Detroit was furious, we're not talking about local and surrounding communities at this point. Their actually exporting dollars out of their country. If Windsor can capitilize on foreign/tourist dollar spent, isn't that the point?

Would't this be the same issue in Niagara?

[Nettles]

I don't know enough about it but what I can say is that I lived in Windsor for a long time and when the Casino was built, although it was a big tourist attraction....most people agreed that there weren't that many actual improvements to the community.

Also, the Windsor one was successful because people from Detroit came in to gamble. Who's gonna come to the Mississauga one? People from Buffalo? Doubt it, they'd go to a different one and I don't know how much gambling from within the GTA would occur considering most of it outside of Toronto is just suburban type families.

I guess it depends on location as well. It should be on the east end where a bunch of the restaurant/industry warehouses are around Dixie and Eglinton or east part of Dundas close to Etobicoke.

[stuntman]

Unless you can prove that a local Casino actually affects the local and surrounding economy through loss of Net income (must include people who gamble online etc), then I find it hard to discuss the merits of the impact. If the NET spent on gambling (online-offshore, at woodbine, niagara etc) are the same then I don't see a problem. If anything a positive reinforcement of "they are gambling it anyways, but somewhere else" can be argued.

Of course Detroit was furious, we're not talking about local and surrounding communities at this point. Their actually exporting dollars out of their country. If Windsor can capitilize on foreign/tourist dollar spent, isn't that the point?

Would't this be the same issue in Niagara?

My personal concern is not for drawing economic dollars from other communities. Economically it will also as whole be better for Mississauga. That is something the tourist industry already does.....get people to spend money at a place other than their home community, I am not about to make the new Aquarium going into Toronto to be a bad thing based on economic factors so it would be unfair to do so with a casino. There are good things that come with a casino but here are also bad things. My concern if for the harm it does to individuals and their families.

Researching stuff takes time, however, here is something that may appease the requirement for proof. It has references: http://www.hotel-online.com/News/PressReleases1998_2nd/DetroitGamblingEffects_May98.html

It presents those that experience a downside to easier access to a casino.
The poor and elderly (and a few other groups) experience the downside the most.

[CanadaGooseForumAdmin]

Also, the Windsor one was successful because people from Detroit came in to gamble.

I think the same thing applies to the idea of a potential new OLG casino in Ottawa proper. For gambling, the Ottawa area is served by a slots-racetrack in the deep south of the city but the real glitz and glamour venue is the casino in the adjacent city of Gatineau over on the Quebec side. I can see why Ottawa would want its own casino, to keep its local gamblers' dollars on its side of the province instead of spending it over the border. Apparently Ottawa even had the chance to build one in the 1990s but the project got axed, so the Gatineau casino likely has been enjoying being the only real outlet for table games in the area.

I'm not from Toronto, but I realized that Quebec City, Montreal, and Ottawa/Gatineau all have casinos run by the Government of Quebec. I suppose I take for granted that every city has a place where they can legally gamble. So when I found out that Toronto residents need to go out of town to Niagara or Casino Rama to play, it kind of baffled me how the biggest city in Canada didn't have a venue in its city limits.

[r1lee]

My personal concern is not for drawing economic dollars from other communities. Economically it will also as whole be better for Mississauga. That is something the tourist industry already does.....get people to spend money at a place other than their home community, I am not about to make the new Aquarium going into Toronto to be a bad thing based on economic factors so it would be unfair to do so with a casino. There are good things that come with a casino but here are also bad things. My concern if for the harm it does to individuals and their families.

Researching stuff takes time, however, here is something that may appease the requirement for proof. It has references: http://www.hotel-online.com/News/PressReleases1998_2nd/DetroitGamblingEffects_May98.html

It presents those that experience a downside to easier access to a casino.
The poor and elderly (and a few other groups) experience the downside the most.

the article was based in 1998 and scimming it really quickly it showed that 7% found it detrimental. Looking at recent times with Offshore Online gambling, does that 7% still apply if they had no Casino?

Not diving too deeply into this, since it really doesn't impact me/family/friends in anyway if we have a Casino or not.

Really difficult to understand if we don't have all the facts compare.

[stuntman]

the article was based in 1998 and scimming it really quickly it showed that 7% found it detrimental. Looking at recent times with Offshore Online gambling, does that 7% still apply if they had no Casino?

Not diving too deeply into this, since it really doesn't impact me/family/friends in anyway if we have a Casino or not.

Really difficult to understand if we don't have all the facts compare.

1998 or 2012....people don't change that much. It was one of the first links I found. I found others that were based on the economic impact but stated more work had to be done on the social impact. This attempted to deal with both. 2,3,5 and 8 are key points that grabbed my attention
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1. About a third of the sample had gambled at a casino in the past 12 months. (This figure is nearly identical to the percentage reported in a state-wide survey conducted by Western Michigan University in 1997). At least 14 percent of those who gambled at a casino in the past year had done so at least four times.
2. Casinos provided the most popular form of gambling for the people of Detroit (78% of gamblers), followed by the lottery (72%), and bingo (25%) .
3. One in every 14 families interviewed (7%) reported that casino gambling had had a detrimental impact on their family life. About three in ten said that casino gambling had a negative effect on the people of Detroit and the community generally.
4. One third of respondents "personally knew" someone living in Detroit who "is a compulsive gambler."
5. One in every 16 respondents (6%), reported that at least one person in their household was a "compulsive gambler." This figure is nearly doubled for those in low income groups and those receiving public assistance -- both "at-risk" groups. Overall, the Detroit percentage of problem gamblers is twice the figure reported in the Western Michigan University survey conducted in 1997.
6. When asked if they personally knew of problems caused by gambling, respondents most mentioned bankruptcy (18%), followed by: family violence (16%), theft/robbery (15%), divorce (15%), alcoholism (13%), violent crime (10%), and suicide (7%).
7. Slightly better than four in 10 respondents said they would vote to repeal Proposal E. Just over half (51%) said they would not.
8. When asked "If it were found to be harmful to the quality-of-life in Detroit, would you vote to repeal Proposal E?," seven in 10 respondents (69%) said yes.
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I don't have anyone in my circle of family/friends that I know it of it impacting. I am do care about others when it comes to this type of thing though.