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Junigenmukyoku
Apr 19th, 2012, 08:05 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17766404 - Breivik 'hoped attacks would kill hundreds'

Breivik's waking thought on the day of the attacks - 22 July 2011 - was "today is the day I will die", he told the court in testimony setting out details of his plans and preparation.

First he set off a car bomb outside a government building in Oslo, killing eight people; he claimed he had intended to kill the entire government.

He had apparently wanted to instigate three such bombings, but settled for one when he discovered how difficult it was to make the bombs.

Instead he made his way to Utoeya island and shot dead 69 people - many of them teenagers - at a summer camp being held there.

Breivik claimed he had wanted to kill all 600 or so people on the island, using the surrounding lake as a "weapon of mass destruction" in which they would drown.

His main target had been Mrs Brundtland, whom he planned to capture and behead - and post a video of this on the internet; Breivik said he had got the idea from al-Qaeda.

However the former prime minister had left the island before Breivik arrived.

"I stand for Utoeya and what I did, and would still do it again," he said - as survivors and victims' relatives cried quietly, shaking their heads in disgust at some of the harshest words Breivik has uttered in the trial, AFP news agency reported.

However he insisted he was not a "child murderer".

"I believe that all political activists who choose to fight for multiculturalism are legitimate targets. And 44 out of the 69 people [killed on the island] had leadership positions," he told the court.

"Does this also apply to the 14- and 15-year-olds?" the prosecution asked.

"It is not desirable to focus on people under the age of 18 but there was no other desirable political target on that day," Breivik replied.

Asked what it was like to carry out such a rampage, Breivik responded that it was an "extremely difficult" thing to do. "It goes against human nature in many ways," he said.
'Sabbatical'

Breivik has admitted the killings but denies criminal responsibility, saying he acted to protect Norway and Europe from multiculturalism.

"Militant nationalists in Europe are divided," he told the court on Thursday.

"Half of them think we should attack Muslims and minorities, the other half that we should attack elites, those responsible, and hold them accountable."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17752189 - Anders Behring Breivik wants acquittal or death penalty

Under cross-examination, Breivik said: "There are only two just and fair outcomes of this trial - acquittal or capital punishment. I consider 21 years of prison as a pathetic punishment.

Asked if he wanted the court to give him the death penalty, he replied: "No, but I would have respected it. I would not recognise 21 years of prison, it's ridiculous."

Breivik killed 69 people at a Labour Party youth camp on Utoeya island, having first set off a bomb outside a government building in Oslo that killed eight people.

He has said he carried out the attacks to defend "ethnic Norwegians" from rising multiculturalism.

"I was very surprised that I survived that day," he told the court on Wednesday.

"I had no other plans for what to do. I considered the chance less than 5% that I would survive the bombing. But not only that, I survived Utoeya."

Breivik was also questioned about his religious beliefs by a lawyer for the victims.

"Well, I am a militant Christian; to prevent the de-Christianisation of Europe is very important," he said.

"But this does not mean we want to introduce a Christian theocracy. We are not Christian fundamentalists. I believe in God and I believe in a life after death."

Answering questions from a judge he described himself as an "anti-Nazi".

"A National Socialist would say, 'Norway for the Norwegians'. I am more liberal, I would accept 2% perhaps (of the population not being ethnically Norwegian)."

The court is seeking to establish whether Breivik is sane and can be jailed.

The BBC's Steve Rosenberg, in Oslo, says a contradictory picture of Breivik is emerging - a man who hates Muslims, but admired Osama Bin Laden and al-Qaeda.

Our correspondent says Breivik sees himself as a great Crusader, when in fact he was a high school drop out, a failed businessman and an addict of computer war games.

Earlier, Breivik's lawyers warned that many Norwegians would find his comments upsetting.

If Breivik is judged sane and found guilty of murder, he faces a maximum of 21 years in jail, although that can be extended if he is deemed a threat to the public.

If he is judged to be insane, he will be committed to a psychiatric institution.

This guy is such a monster, and how they're giving him a maximum of 21 years in jail is just BS. What kind of justice system does Norway have really, do people who kill 11 people get 4 years in prison? It's just amazing how they're even debating about if he's insane or not. I don't think he's insane, just brainwashed and he should be in jail for the rest of his life for taking so many innocent lives. I feel for the victims, many of them were just kids. I really hope they lock this guy up forever and stop publicizing his beliefs and ideas, the news media is just giving him what he wants, sad really.

I want to know what you guys think about his prison sentence and is he sane or insane?

lordnikon
Apr 19th, 2012, 08:12 PM
He gets 20+ years living in Ikea with a TV and computer with Internet connection.

bman77
Apr 19th, 2012, 08:14 PM
Brutal

Piro21
Apr 19th, 2012, 08:14 PM
Send him to gitmo with the other terrorists.

bman77
Apr 19th, 2012, 09:03 PM
Send him to gitmo with the other terrorists.

+1

Wonder how he'd do there, I guess he can think about that in a hotel for 20 years.

Buggy166
Apr 19th, 2012, 09:14 PM
i understand his origin, i do not agree to his target and method. What he's trying to protect is a slowly eroding past. The more we move on the more tribal existence will cease and the planet will have 1 people. Its inevitable unless countries exlusively colonize different planets soon (in the next few hundred years). Even then, its not a sure shot. He should be getting the death penalty for this, but theyre aware if they kill him he becomes a martyr for others like him. Its not about his life ending, cops coulda done that on the spot, the political ramifications are huge and they dont know which way to go.

Katchemash
Apr 19th, 2012, 09:50 PM
Typical thoughts that are prevalent in Canada as well.

Powder + park raider
Apr 19th, 2012, 10:18 PM
i wonder why he didnt just covertly wack muslims one by one, make them afraid to go to norway, instead of wacking his own people. wtf is up with that?

it's like saying back before usa invades iraq, the iraqis go "oh **** usa are coming, lets not fight them, instead lets kill our own. that will show 'em!"

MrKap
Apr 19th, 2012, 10:18 PM
This guy is such a monster, and how they're giving him a maximum of 21 years in jail is just BS. What kind of justice system does Norway have really, do people who kill 11 people get 4 years in prison?

People who kill 40+ get 25 years in Vancouver.

Drunk Drivers who kill someone get 25 years in Quebec.


Face it, the quality of living in Norways prison system, is probably way better than yours.

Sick and tired of living like a second class citizen in Canada? Apply for Norwegian citizenship and go on a killing spree.

Isn't that wikileaks guy from Norway?





I want to know what you guys think about his prison sentence and is he sane or insane?

He is probably totally sane. Look at how screwed up the justice system is.

The question I have to ask myself is, does it really matter if someone is insane when they go on a murder spree? I mean if they can tie their shoes. Are they really insane?


Whoops, I blew up parliament because I had a bad day.

Or, let's take it easy on this serial killer, they didn't know what they were doing was wrong.



i wonder why he didnt just covertly wack muslims one by one, make them afraid to go to norway, instead of wacking his own people. wtf is up with that?

Because it has absolutely nothing to do with muslims.

LostInTruth
Apr 20th, 2012, 12:20 AM
This guy can burn in hell for all I care. I'm tired of hearing his name.

nauru
Apr 20th, 2012, 12:59 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyiodSMNv4E

ever1221
Apr 20th, 2012, 08:12 AM
I have a question, why isnt this ***** addressed as a terrorist? Or terrorism is related to race/religion and not killing people? Some one explain please.

sbutabi
Apr 20th, 2012, 08:15 AM
"Junigenmukyoku - This guy is such a monster, and how they're giving him a maximum of 21 years in jail is just BS. What kind of justice system does Norway have really, do people who kill 11 people get 4 years in prison?"

And what do you think he would get in Canada? We have no death sentence either. Before you critize Norway take a look closer to home.

"lordnikon - He gets 20+ years living in Ikea with a TV and computer with Internet connection." & "MRKAP - Isn't that wikileaks guy from Norway?"

Great insights... Now may I recommend that you brush up on your Scandinavian geography and history as Norway and Sweden are two different countries and neither IKEA nor Julian Assange are from Norway, but rather from Sweden. If you don't know what you are talking about then...

>:(>:(>:(

olssy
Apr 20th, 2012, 08:50 AM
The guys is definitely my definition of insane and seeing how he is in court just reinforces my belief.
I doubt he will be getting out of prison in 21 years as Norway, like Canada, has provisions in its laws to deal with people that are considered a menace to society.

iEyeCaptain
Apr 20th, 2012, 09:18 AM
The guys is definitely my definition of insane and seeing how he is in court just reinforces my belief.
I doubt he will be getting out of prison in 21 years as Norway, like Canada, has provisions in its laws to deal with people that are considered a menace to society.

Agreed. This guy will never leave prison for the rest of his life.

Charles Manson killed less people and he's going to die in prison by the looks of it.

stealth
Apr 20th, 2012, 11:34 AM
The guys is definitely my definition of insane and seeing how he is in court just reinforces my belief.
I doubt he will be getting out of prison in 21 years as Norway, like Canada, has provisions in its laws to deal with people that are considered a menace to society.

I agree, he really sounds insane to me.
While a lot of ppl may have similar beliefs as his, his inability to control his impulse to act on them as methodically and brutally as he did, seems insane by definition.

i would be shocked if he ever sees outside of prison. Id almost expect that unless kept 100% solitary, someone will kill him in prison.

feidailo
Apr 20th, 2012, 11:50 AM
"Nobody's innocent"

but wow, 77 murdered, and only 21 years in prison!? thats RFD superhot bargain!

nauru
Apr 20th, 2012, 03:27 PM
"Junigenmukyoku - This guy is such a monster, and how they're giving him a maximum of 21 years in jail is just BS. What kind of justice system does Norway have really, do people who kill 11 people get 4 years in prison?"

And what do you think he would get in Canada? We have no death sentence either. Before you critize Norway take a look closer to home.

"lordnikon - He gets 20+ years living in Ikea with a TV and computer with Internet connection." & "MRKAP - Isn't that wikileaks guy from Norway?"

Great insights... Now may I recommend that you brush up on your Scandinavian geography and history as Norway and Sweden are two different countries and neither IKEA nor Julian Assange are from Norway, but rather from Sweden. If you don't know what you are talking about then...

>:(>:(>:(

Ikea also exists in Norway... just as it also exists in Canada and much of the western world. The point is the prison looks like an Ikea display.

Canada's sentence would be lax too, but I don't think the prisons in Canada are anywhere near as nice as Norway's. Flat screen TVs? Basketball courts nicer than $80 per month fitness centres? I am doubtful.