First time getting on protein shakes. Advice needed.

[awaisuk]

Hey,

First time getting on protein shakes. Advice needed.

So I have been going to gym for awhile and sometime after gym I buy one of those protein shakes at our gym, and man they taste sooo good. I am not sure how they make it, but they taste real good, they probably add more things to it to make it taste better but still be healthier.

I want something simple like mixing in just water or just milk and drinking it after workout. I read Champion Nutrition's Cookies and Cream tastes really good? Will it taste good if I just take a scoop of that mix it in water/milk and drink?

Also, as starting out on protein shakes how much intake is good for starting? 1 scoop which has like 24grams?

Can I take 1 scoop in the morning with milk, and then 1 scoop after workout in the evening? How do you guys do it?

Sorry for lots of questions :) :)

[niroopg]

Hey,

First time getting on protein shakes. Advice needed.

So I have been going to gym for awhile and sometime after gym I buy one of those protein shakes at our gym, and man they taste sooo good. I am not sure how they make it, but they taste real good, they probably add more things to it to make it taste better but still be healthier.

I want something simple like mixing in just water or just milk and drinking it after workout. I read Champion Nutrition's Cookies and Cream tastes really good? Will it taste good if I just take a scoop of that mix it in water/milk and drink?

Also, as starting out on protein shakes how much intake is good for starting? 1 scoop which has like 24grams?

Can I take 1 scoop in the morning with milk, and then 1 scoop after workout in the evening? How do you guys do it?

Sorry for lots of questions :) :)

The better the shake tastes, the more sugar they put in it.

And that's not how protein shakes are used optimally. Protein shakes are typically used to meet macronutrient dificiencies in a diet. Hence, you need to lay out diet and deficiencies in protein intake can be made up with shakes. There is no optimal protein shake intake. There is optimal protein intake, typically 0.75-1.5 g per pound depending on how advanced you are and how much demand you place on your body.

Or you can just drink it post-workout without any regard for diet and just waste money like most people.

[amz155]

Why don't you check out the 12 pages of protein shakes thread? You might find the info your are looking for there. Look a few threads down....

[poedua]

The better the shake tastes, the more sugar they put in it.

And that's not how protein shakes are used optimally. Protein shakes are typically used to meet macronutrient dificiencies in a diet. Hence, you need to lay out diet and deficiencies in protein intake can be made up with shakes. There is no optimal protein shake intake. There is optimal protein intake, typically 0.75-1.5 g per pound depending on how advanced you are and how much demand you place on your body.

Or you can just drink it post-workout without any regard for diet and just waste money like most people.

+1

Bingo !!!

[amz155]

The better the shake tastes, the more sugar they put in it.

And that's not how protein shakes are used optimally. Protein shakes are typically used to meet macronutrient dificiencies in a diet. Hence, you need to lay out diet and deficiencies in protein intake can be made up with shakes. There is no optimal protein shake intake. There is optimal protein intake, typically 0.75-1.5 g per pound depending on how advanced you are and how much demand you place on your body.

Or you can just drink it post-workout without any regard for diet and just waste money like most people.

That's why I use protein powders. How do you know OP isn't using them to meet a macro deficiency in his/her diet?

[BDSL]

How do you know OP isn't using them to meet a macro deficiency in his/her diet?

It is just a natural assumption since most people take in more protein than required....
That seems to be the trend....

[mic2074]

It is just a natural assumption since most people take in more protein than required....
That seems to be the trend....

I actually think ppl take in less protein than they should on a daily three meal diet. Assume for a 150lb male - he should be taking in say 150g of protein.

breakfast - three eggs, 18g protein

lunch - grill 4oz chicken breast, 24g of protein

dinner - 10oz steak, 77g of protein

and any sides they have with these meals are likely low in protein (veggies, etc)... so, in total, 119g of protein... and this is somewhat a high protein diet assumption, I doubt ppl have steak every day.

[mic2074]

Hey,

First time getting on protein shakes. Advice needed.

So I have been going to gym for awhile and sometime after gym I buy one of those protein shakes at our gym, and man they taste sooo good. I am not sure how they make it, but they taste real good, they probably add more things to it to make it taste better but still be healthier.

I want something simple like mixing in just water or just milk and drinking it after workout. I read Champion Nutrition's Cookies and Cream tastes really good? Will it taste good if I just take a scoop of that mix it in water/milk and drink?

Also, as starting out on protein shakes how much intake is good for starting? 1 scoop which has like 24grams?

Can I take 1 scoop in the morning with milk, and then 1 scoop after workout in the evening? How do you guys do it?

Sorry for lots of questions :) :)


well, depends on what your goal for going to the gym is - to loose weight or gain muscle mass. There are so many different protein out there with vastly different profiles. Some, like BSN Synth6, has high calories, so, you can take that as a meal replacement for breakfast in the morning. Others like Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard, is a hyrdolized protein blended in - which will speed up absorption into the body, thus, making it ideal for post workout, to replenish your muscles. Both these have amazing tasting flavours. Check out bb.com for flavour ratings.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/bsn/synth.html

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/whey.html

[poedua]

I actually think ppl take in less protein than they should on a daily three meal diet. Assume for a 150lb male - he should be taking in say 150g of protein.

breakfast - three eggs, 18g protein

lunch - grill 4oz chicken breast, 24g of protein

dinner - 10oz steak, 77g of protein

and any sides they have with these meals are likely low in protein (veggies, etc)... so, in total, 119g of protein... and this is somewhat a high protein diet assumption, I doubt ppl have steak every day.

So, another 30 grams of protein to squeeze in somewhere between a mid morning / mid afternoon / pre-workout / post-workout/ pre-bedtime snack..........


- 2 cups of fat free milk...........16 grams
- 1 / 2 cup cottage cheese......14 grams

Done ! :D

[BDSL]

I actually think ppl take in less protein than they should on a daily three meal diet. Assume for a 150lb male - he should be taking in say 150g of protein.

breakfast - three eggs, 18g protein

lunch - grill 4oz chicken breast, 24g of protein

dinner - 10oz steak, 77g of protein

and any sides they have with these meals are likely low in protein (veggies, etc)... so, in total, 119g of protein... and this is somewhat a high protein diet assumption, I doubt ppl have steak every day.

...assuming only if these people are doing hardcore resistance training...
When I am at the gym, I see most people are only there for 1 hour and during that hour, they are running on the treadmill at 6mph, doing a few mid-light sets (not pushing hard enough), and spending more time playing with their phone, socializing, and checking out the ladies....
They are really only working hard for 10 mins.....while taking up the machines and weights.....

[mic2074]

...only if these people are doing hardcore resistance training...
When I am at the gym, I see most people are only there for 1 hour and during that hour, they are running on the treadmill at 6mph, doing a few mid-light sets (not pushing hard enough), and spending more time playing with their phone, socializing, and checking out the ladies....
They are really only working hard for 10 mins.....while taking up the machines and weights.....

hardcore training needs a lot more than 1g per lb of body weight... and my "assumed" diet was already based on highest protein food - ppl is not going to have all that everyday, most likely they'll be eating food with lot less protein. I would say on average, they barely meet their daily requirements. Of course, I do agree that, it all depends on their lifestyle, and their body's protein needs.

http://www.acaloriecounter.com/diet/how-much-protein-per-day/

[poedua]

hardcore training needs a lot more than 1g per lb of body weight... and my "assumed" diet was already based on highest protein food - ppl is not going to have all that everyday, most likely they'll be eating food with lot less protein. I would say on average, they barely meet their daily requirements. Of course, I do agree that, it all depends on their lifestyle, and their body's protein needs.

http://www.acaloriecounter.com/diet/how-much-protein-per-day/

In your link above, when the author says " Nearly every single recommendation I've ever seen ..... What do I think? .......So, here’s my recommendations on [ How Much Protein Should You Eat Per Day ] ", do these just represent his / her personal opinions ( i.e " my recommendations " ) - or is it based a recommendation he ( or she ) has taken from the scientific community some where ?

btw - who is the ( " I " / " My " ) author behind this site ?

[mic2074]

In your link above, when the author says " Nearly every single recommendation I've ever seen ..... What do I think? .......So, here’s my recommendations on [ How Much Protein Should You Eat Per Day ] ", do these just represent his personal opinions ( i.e " my recommendations " ) - or is it based a recommendation he ( or she ) has taken from the scientific community some where ?

btw - who is the ( " I " / " My " ) author behind this site ?


have no idea - but the recommendations seem to be inline with what I've read elsewhere, and on various discussion forums... even if it's from a fully credited study, etc - I would still take it with a grain of salt, they're still somewhat general and does not necessarily apply to everyone. Everyone's body is different... but just reference that for the sake of discussion here.

[poedua]

have no idea - but the recommendations seem to be inline with what I've read elsewhere, and on various discussion forums... even if it's from a fully credited study, etc - I would still take it with a grain of salt, they're still somewhat general and does not necessarily apply to everyone. Everyone's body is different... but just reference that for the sake of discussion here.

Fair enough.:)

But, with all due respect, to buttress and support your argument for a higher level of protein intake, you cited a personal blog from an anonymous author ( you admitted you have " no idea "' who it is ) who made personal a opinion / recommendations in the absence of any references in support of those recommendations.

So, at best, I think it would also be fair to suggest that this site should be taken with a ' grain of salt ' as well.;)

And in terms of protein recommendations to training inline with what I've read elsewhere, those recommendations most often hover around closer to 1 gram per pound of body weight.

For example, last time I checked, The International Society of Sport Nutrition recommends [ 2007 ] that exercising individuals ingest protein ranging from 1.4 to 2.0 g/kg/day [ .6 - .9 g/lb/day ] - and those folks engaging in strength/power exercise should ingest levels at the upper end of this range.


http://www.jissn.com/content/4/1/8/abstract


...and...

The National Strength and Conditioning Association recommends [ 2009 ] athletes ingest between 1.5 to 2.0 g/kg [ .7 to .9 g/lb ] of body weight of protein on a daily basis, and I'd assume with those doing strength/power exercise probably ingesting levels at the upper end of this range.

http://www.nsca-lift.org/HotTopic/download/Protein%20Needs.pdf


....and....


The American Dietetic Association (ADA), Dietitians of Canada (DC), and American College of Sports Medicine (ACSM) recommends [ 2009 ] athletes ingest between 1.2 to 1.7 g/kg [ .5 to .8 g/lb ] of body weight of protein on a daily basis, again, I'd assume that for strength training, you'd be looking at the upper end of that range.

http://journals.lww.com/acsm-msse/Fulltext/2009/03000/Nutrition_and_Athletic_Performance.27.aspx

[mic2074]

Fair enough.:)

But, with all due respect, to buttress and support your argument for a higher level of protein intake, you cited a personal blog from an anonymous author ( you admitted you have " no idea "' who it is ) who made personal a opinion / recommendations in the absence of any references in support of those recommendations.

So, at best, I think it would also be fair to suggest that this site should be taken with a ' grain of salt ' as well.;)

And in terms of protein recommendations to training inline with what I've read elsewhere, those recommendations most often hover closer around 1 gram per pound of body weight.

For example, last time I checked, The International Society of Sport Nutrition recommends [ 2007 ] that exercising individuals ingest protein ranging from 1.4 to 2.0 g/kg/day [ .6 - .9 g/lb/day ] - and those folks engaging in strength/power exercise should ingest levels at the upper end of this range.


http://www.jissn.com/content/4/1/8/abstract


...and...

The National Strength and Conditioning Association recommends [ 2009 ] athletes ingest between 1.5 to 2.0 g/kg [ .7 to .9 g/lb ] of body weight of protein on a daily basis, and I'd assume with those doing strength/power exercise probably ingesting levels at the upper end of this range.

http://www.nsca-lift.org/HotTopic/download/Protein%20Needs.pdf


....and....


The American Dietetic Association (ADA), Dietitians of Canada (DC), and American College of Sports Medicine (ACSM) recommends [ 2009 ] athletes ingest between 1.2 to 1.7 g/kg [ .5 to .8 g/lb ] of body weight of protein on a daily basis, again, I'd assume that for strength training, you'd be looking at the upper end of that range.

http://journals.lww.com/acsm-msse/Fulltext/2009/03000/Nutrition_and_Athletic_Performance.27.aspx


thanks for the enlightenment... I've been reading quite a bit on bb.com - and lots of them recommend upwards of 1.5g/lb or more. However, most of those guys are serious body builders and not scientist - lots of time they would think excess is better, and in their situations, it probably is for muscle building - they know their body a lot better than any scientist or whatever studies show... and it's hard sometimes to know if the post is legitimate or if it's some manufacturer rep, just posting their bias opinion to up supplement use.

but, for discussion here - what you've quoted is more relevant.

[poedua]

...assuming only if these people are doing hardcore resistance training...
When I am at the gym, I see most people are only there for 1 hour and during that hour, they are running on the treadmill at 6mph, doing a few mid-light sets (not pushing hard enough), and spending more time playing with their phone, socializing, and checking out the ladies....
They are really only working hard for 10 mins.....while taking up the machines and weights.....

Good point.

I think the vast majority of average recreational gym rats are only in the gym for resistance training perhaps 2 - 4 hours per week - and, as you correctly alluded to, who knows how much of those 2 - 4 hours per week is comprised of or dedicated to actual training.:lol::lol:

And of that training, you're right, how much of that is HARD training ? Not much I suspect.

Comparatively speaking, I suspect 95% of those average recreational gym rats probably train like ' weenies '.;)

So, against that backdrop, I'd say a protein consumption of around 1 gram per pound of body weight is just fine ( and very likely more than enough ) for most average recreational gym rats.

[poedua]

thanks for the enlightenment... I've been reading quite a bit on bb.com - and lots of them recommend upwards of 1.5g/lb or more. .

Well, in the case of the site itself, bodybuilding.com itself SELLS protein supplements and is in the business of making money - sell more protein supplements / make more money. No wonder the bb.com protein requirement calculator comes in at something like an average of 1.5 g/lb as you alluded to;).......

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/calpro.htm

Beyond that, I can't comment as to why 1.5 is cited by some of it's members .

[amz155]

Good point.

I think the vast majority of average recreational gym rats are only in the gym for resistance training perhaps 2 - 4 hours per week -


What is wrong with 2-4 hours of resistance training per week? I go to the gym three times a week for my program (as written by the program) and I spend about 1.5 hours each time, including the warm up. So I'd bet that I'm actually resistance training for 4 hours per week. Mind you I don't stand around and chat, I actually work hard. But still, what is wrong with 4 hours per week?

[poedua]

thanks for the enlightenment... I've been reading quite a bit on bb.com - and lots of them recommend upwards of 1.5g/lb or more. However, most of those guys are serious body builders and not scientist - lots of time they would think excess is better, and in their situations, it probably is for muscle building - they know their body a lot better than any scientist or whatever studies show... and it's hard sometimes to know if the post is legitimate or if it's some manufacturer rep, just posting their bias opinion to up supplement use. but, for discussion here - what you've quoted is more relevant.

Again, I would tend to agree.

And who knows how many ( if not most ? ) of the SERIOUS body builders are on steroids...which has an impact on one's protein requirements.

And again, it's entirely possible that SERIOUS body builders who may be training hard 12 - 14 hours a week may have different protein requirements than your average recreational gym rat who spends 2- 4 hours in the gym ( notice I didn't say spends 2 - 4 hours FOCSED TRAINING in the gym !!! ;) ) before / after school or work or between classes etc. etc.

As I said earlier, for the vast majority of folks who frequent this site, I suspect protein consumption of around 1 gram per pound of body weight is just fine and very likely more than enough .

[poedua]

What is wrong with 2-4 hours of resistance training per week?

Nothing at all - in fact, I see no reason why the vast majority of average recreational gym rats need to do more than 3 - 4 hours of actual focused resistance training per week.

I happen to think 3 - 4 hours of good quality, focused resistance training per week is all the vast majority of average recreational gym rats need.

For example, do if you do a tight & focused 1 hour workout..... ....


- 3 hours might be a full body workout 3 days a week on non-consecutive days.

- 4 hours might be a 4 day split ( say..... upper body / lower body ....upper body / lower body ...over 4 non-consecutive days )

[awaisuk]

Thanks for the replies.

Yes, I do not get alot of protein in my diet so drinking protein shakes would benefit none the less. So how should I take that protein shake? One scoop in breakfast and one post workout? I am looking for a bit of taste for starting out, so the protein in my first post is that a good choice to buy?

[poedua]

Thanks for the replies.

Yes, I do not get alot of protein in my diet so drinking protein shakes would benefit none the less.

So how should I take that protein shake? One scoop in breakfast and one post workout? I am looking for a bit of taste for starting out, so the protein in my first post is that a good choice to buy?

Fair enough. ( btw ....how much do you weigh ? )

Or, as another option for you to consider, if ( as you say ) you're not getting a lot of protein in your diet now, then you might consider just looking for other dietary sources of protein to make all or most of the shortfall ..and in doing so, you can still take a protein supplement if you want, but you won't be AS reliant on protein supplements....i.e instead of ' 3 shakes a day ' of protein supplements ( as you sometimes see some people doing ), a person may only need 1 protein supplement (if at all ).

So, for what is' worth, here are some ' approximate ' grams of protein from various foods ill give you a better idea of how easy it is to pick up that extra protein...............


Chicken, white ( 100 grams )...........................25
Pork, lean ( 100 grams ).................................23
Beef, lean ( 100 grams ).................................21
Fish, white ( 100 grams )................................20
Eggs ( 2 whole )...........................................13

Tofu, firm ( 100 grams )..................................20
Lentils, cooked ( I cup )..................................18
Kidney beans, cooked ( 1 cup ).........................17

Cottage Cheese ( 1/2 cup )..............................13
Yogurt ( 8 oz.).............................................. .13
Milk, ( 8 oz. )................................................. .8
Cheese ( 30 g )...............................................7

Peanut Butter ( 2 tbsp. )...................................8
Peanuts, ( 30 g ).............................................7
Sunflower seeds, ( 30 g )..................................6
Almonds, ( 30 g ).............................................6
Cashews, ( 30 g )............................................4

Potato, ( 150 g ).............................................5
Broccoli, (240 ml )...........................................5
Carrots, ( 240 ml )...........................................2

Kellogg's All Bran Cereal ( 1 cup )........................7
Pasta,cooked ( 1 cup ).....................................6
Bread, ( 1 slice)............................................ ...3

6" Subway Sweet Onion Chicken Teriyaki Sub........24
Harvey's Original Hamburger...............................20
Wendy's, small chili...........................................18
McDonald's Grilled Snack Wrap............................16
Pizza, Pizza slice ( from XL pepperoni ).................13


...and keep mind, these examples above are only rough approximations of the grams of protein in each item. In addition, while some fast food examples are listed, this is not to represent any sort of an endorsement to turn to fast food for protein - they're included for illustrative purposes only.

The bottom line is, by doing some simple homework on the protein content of various foods and by doing just ' a bit ' of planning, I'd say the vast majority of the average folks out there in terms of height / weight, lifestyle, etc. can easily get most ( if not all ) of the protein they need from normal everyday food sources in order to meet their nutritional and or training needs....IMO.

[niroopg]

1.5g/pound protein is the general concensus about daily requirements among powerlifters and bodybuilders to see strength progression in your lifts EVERY SINGLE WORKOUT. I'm not talking about beginner gains or when you just start lifting after a layoff. This is once you have been going consistently for a few months, you should still be making strength gains week upon week. So, for instance, if I deadlift 350lb week one, should be able to hit 355lb the next, 360lb the next. Obviously the higher you go, the smaller the increments must be. People typically start at 1g per pound and increase if they stall or they aren't making the progress every workout.

Of note, this number is for people who are consistent with their gym workouts and are strength training 3+ weekly with moderate to high intensity. It is not for the inconsistent once biweekly lifter who is curling with one hand and cell phone in the other.

[poedua]

1.5g/pound protein is the general concensus about daily requirements among powerlifters and bodybuilders to see strength progression in your lifts EVERY SINGLE WORKOUT. I'm not talking about bigger gains or when you just start lifting after a layoff. This is once you have been going consistently for a few months, you should still be making strength gains week upon week. So, for instance, if I deadlift 350lb week one, should be able to hit 355lb the next, 360lb the next. Obviously the higher you go, the smaller the increments must be. People typically start at 1g per pound and increase if they stall or they aren't making the progress every workout.

Of note, this number is for people who are consistent with their gym workouts and are strength training 3+ weekly with moderate to high intensity. It is not for the inconsistent once biweekly lifter who is curling with one hand and cell phone in the other.

Just so I'm clear .

This 1.5g of protein per pound of body weight guideline / ' rule of thumb ' is based primarily on anecdotal evidence - is that correct ?

[niroopg]

Just so I'm clear .

This 1.5g of protein per pound of body weight guideline / ' rule of thumb ' is based primarily on anecdotal evidence - is that correct ?

Correct. Most of the evidence in powerlifting/bodybuilding is anecdotal/experiential. It is the recommendation of trainers that work in those domains.

[WildPegasus]

Just so I'm clear .

This 1.5g of protein per pound of body weight guideline / ' rule of thumb ' is based primarily on anecdotal evidence - is that correct ?

However, for those athletes involved in strength events such as the Olympic field and sprint events, those in football or hockey, or weightlifters, powerlifters, and bodybuilders, I recommend between 1.2 and 1.6 g of high-quality protein per pound of total body weight. That means that if you weigh 200 lb and want to put on a maximum amount of muscle mass, then you will have to take in as much as 320g of protein daily. There are several competitive weightlifters, powerlifters, and bodybuilders that I know who take in 2-3 g of high-quality protein per pound of body weight.


If you are trying to lose weight or body fat it is important to keep your dietary protein levels high. That is because the body oxidizes more protein on a calorie-deficient diet than it would in a diet that has adequate calories. The larger the body muscle mass, the more transamination of amino acids occurs to fulfill energy needs. Thus for those wishing to lose weight but maintain or even increase lean body mass in specific skeletal muscles, I recommend at least 1.5g of high-quality protein per pound of body weight. The reduction in claories needed to lose weight should be at the expense of the fats and carbohydrates, not protein (345).

-Di Pasquale, Mauro. Amindo Acids and Proteins for the Athlete, 2nd Ed. Boca Raton: CRC Press, 2008. Print.

[poedua]

Correct. Most of the evidence in powerlifting/bodybuilding is anecdotal/experiential. It is the recommendation of trainers that work in those domains.

Fair enough.

[niroopg]

However, for those athletes involved in strength events such as the Olympic field and sprint events, those in football or hockey, or weightlifters, powerlifters, and bodybuilders, I recommend between 1.2 and 1.6 g of high-quality protein per pound of total body weight. That means that if you weigh 200 lb and want to put on a maximum amount of muscle mass, then you will have to take in as much as 320g of protein daily. There are several competitive weightlifters, powerlifters, and bodybuilders that I know who take in 2-3 g of high-quality protein per pound of body weight.


If you are trying to lose weight or body fat it is important to keep your dietary protein levels high. That is because the body oxidizes more protein on a calorie-deficient diet than it would in a diet that has adequate calories. The larger the body muscle mass, the more transamination of amino acids occurs to fulfill energy needs. Thus for those wishing to lose weight but maintain or even increase lean body mass in specific skeletal muscles, I recommend at least 1.5g of high-quality protein per pound of body weight. The reduction in claories needed to lose weight should be at the expense of the fats and carbohydrates, not protein (345).

-Di Pasquale, Mauro. Amindo Acids and Proteins for the Athlete, 2nd Ed. Boca Raton: CRC Press, 2008. Print.

Yup, Dr. Mauro Di Pasquale is a world reknowned expert in elite performance.

His profile and history in the field:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/md.htm

An Except:

Dr. Di Pasquale is presently a licensed physician in Ontario, Canada, and for the last three decades has specialized in Bariatric (treatment of obesity) and Sports Medicine.

He holds an honors degree in biological science, majoring in molecular biochemistry and genetics (1968), and a medical degree (1971) - both from the University of Toronto. He is certified as a Medical Review Officer (MRO) by the Medical Review Officer Certification Council (MROCC), and as a Master of Fitness Sciences (MFS) by the International Sports Sciences Association (ISSA). He is also a member of the American College of Sports Medicine.

He was an assistant professor at the University of Toronto for ten years (1988 to 1998) lecturing and researching on athletic performance, nutrition, nutritional supplements, and drug use in sports.

He was a world-class athlete for over twenty years, winning the world championships in Powerlifting in 1976, and the World Games in the sport of Powerlifting in 1981. He was Canadian champion eight times, Pan American champion twice, and North American champion twice. He is the first Canadian Powerlifter to become a World Champion and first Canadian Powerlifter to total 10 times bodyweight in any weight class and he's the only Canadian to ever total ten times bodyweight in two weight classes.

Over the last four decades he has had extensive exposure to athletic injuries and disabilities, and ergogenic and nutritional supplement use by athletes. As well, he operated a Sports Medicine, Nutrition and Bariatric clinic for over three decades. He has been chairman/member of several national and international powerlifting, bodybuilding and Olympic weight lifting sports federation medical committees. Over this period of time he has acted as a consultant, medical advisor, drug testing officer and technical expert on the pharmacology and pathophysiology of sports, nutritional supplement use and drug testing.

[007craft]

When it comes to working out and health, you need to leave your taste buds at the door. If your concerned more about a good tasting shake then the healthiest shake, your going about it all wrong.

That said, I recommend 100% Whey ON protein shakes. I buy mine from bodybuilding.com. Shipping is a little pricey, but its still cheaper then buying anywhere in Canada, even with the shipping. Sometimes they have sales on the hydro ON whey protein shakes, which is supposed to get to your muscles faster since its more compact (not sure if I buy it actually working tho). But I do have some and it packs in easier and dissolves better. I wouldn't recommend it normally but Ive bought it on sale so its the same price as the non hydro stuff.

That said, they do make a ton of flavors. Ive tried a bunch and I wouldn't call any of them ultra delicious, but none of them are bad.

Whey ON (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/whey.html;jsessionid=F2682C901ECC4975090B3794725DB 976)

Hydro Whey (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/platinum_hydrowhey.html)

I have 1 scoop in a large glass half full of skim milk after every workout daily. Usually I have on during the day to as a snack and sometimes in the evening as another snake. So ill have 2-3 a day. Each one gives me around 45g of protein with the milk. I'm 170lbs so 3 of these a day + food (I eat tons of chicken) and I'm usually sitting just around the 170g of protein a day I should be taking. Its quite hard to build muscle properly.

[niroopg]

I use Truenutrition.com. I have used them for 6-7 years now. Used to be trueprotein.com.

I usually buy 50 pounds of protein per go.

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PM me if you want more details.

[poedua]

However, for those athletes involved in strength events such as the Olympic field and sprint events, those in football or hockey, or weightlifters, powerlifters, and bodybuilders, I recommend between 1.2 and 1.6 g of high-quality protein per pound of total body weight. That means that if you weigh 200 lb and want to put on a maximum amount of muscle mass, then you will have to take in as much as 320g of protein daily. There are several competitive weightlifters, powerlifters, and bodybuilders that I know who take in 2-3 g of high-quality protein per pound of body weight.


If you are trying to lose weight or body fat it is important to keep your dietary protein levels high. That is because the body oxidizes more protein on a calorie-deficient diet than it would in a diet that has adequate calories. The larger the body muscle mass, the more transamination of amino acids occurs to fulfill energy needs. Thus for those wishing to lose weight but maintain or even increase lean body mass in specific skeletal muscles, I recommend at least 1.5g of high-quality protein per pound of body weight. The reduction in claories needed to lose weight should be at the expense of the fats and carbohydrates, not protein (345).

-Di Pasquale, Mauro. Amindo Acids and Proteins for the Athlete, 2nd Ed. Boca Raton: CRC Press, 2008. Print.

So, it seems these simply represent his personal recommendations as well.

[dealseeker2011]

I wish I am as disciplined as you guys.

[poedua]

I have 1 scoop in a large glass half full of skim milk after every workout daily. Usually I have on during the day to as a snack and sometimes in the evening as another snake. So ill have 2-3 a day. Each one gives me around 45g of protein with the milk. I'm 170lbs so 3 of these a day + food (I eat tons of chicken) and I'm usually sitting just around the 170g of protein a day I should be taking. Its quite hard to build muscle properly.

170 grams of protein a day..... and 50% - 80% of that daily amount comes directly from using protein supplements ? :-0

The contribution of protein supplements seems a bit on the high side to me - what's your diet like ?

[Breakfast_Lover]

Is there anything besides anecdote and expert opinion on how much protein to take? After reading this thread I'm starting to wonder if the returns from anything above 1g/lbs are really there. I agree it seems like it is because bodybuilder website/experts/someone you know says so, but it would be nice if there was a good trial that actually compared 1g/lbs vs 1.5g/lbs.

[poedua]

Is there anything besides anecdote and expert opinion on how much protein to take? After reading this thread I'm starting to wonder if the returns from anything above 1g/lbs are really there. I agree it seems like it is because bodybuilder website/experts/someone you know says so, but it would be nice if there was a good trial that actually compared 1g/lbs vs 1.5g/lbs.

Post # 14 references some ' position ' opinions on ' how much protein to take ' from various professorial organizations ( academic community ).

[WildPegasus]

So, it seems these simply represent his personal recommendations as well.



Well duh! What else would they be?

[poedua]

Well duh! What else would they be?

Certainly not representative of a prevailing consensus scientific opinion - or so it appears - that's the only distinction all I was alluding to.

It appears his opinion his opinions are primarily based on anecdotal evidence and personal experience.

[WildPegasus]

Certainly not representative of a prevailing consensus scientific opinion - or so it appears - that's the only distinction all I was alluding to.

It appears his opinion his opinions are primarily based on anecdotal evidence and personal experience.

Yeah, I'm sure a 272 page book all about protein for athletes from someone who has his academic and athletic credentials is just about anecdotal and personal experience. What a completely stupid comment!

Keep in mind that those organizations who give out "prevailing consensus scientific opinions" are considered jokes by many informed people in the fitness world because of their shoddy studies in the field of athletics.

[poedua]

Yeah, I'm sure a 272 page book all about protein for athletes from someone who has his academic and athletic credentials is just about anecdotal and personal experience. What a completely stupid comment!

I was simply commenting on the text you provided ...there was no link to this 272 page book to go along with it.....which is why I said " it appears " .

If his 1.5 gram recommendation is based on some peer reviewed studies, then that fact wasn't obvious in the text you provided.


Keep in mind that those organizations who give out "prevailing consensus scientific opinions" are considered jokes by many informed people in the fitness world because of their shoddy studies in the field of athletics.

Well, Pasquale is a member of the American College of Sports Medicine - one of these organizations I cited and that you claim are allegedly " considered jokes by many informed people in the fitness world ".

I suspect, that when the ACSM developed it's position paper, they had access to all the same peer reviewed studies as Pasquale did.

[niroopg]

Is there anything besides anecdote and expert opinion on how much protein to take? After reading this thread I'm starting to wonder if the returns from anything above 1g/lbs are really there. I agree it seems like it is because bodybuilder website/experts/someone you know says so, but it would be nice if there was a good trial that actually compared 1g/lbs vs 1.5g/lbs.

Sigh. Why don't you simply try it. Try 6 months at 1g/pound. Another 6 months at 1.5g/pound. Then determine which one sustains growth.

You can wonder and ponder till the cows come home. I know it works. I know the world class Olympic athletes, bodybuilders and powerlifters use the number. You can doubt it all you want and waste time overthinking it. JUST DO IT. If you don't "believe" the protein numbers, eat whatever you want to eat and find out for yourself.

[niroopg]

I was simply commenting on the text you provided ...there was no link to this 272 page book to go along with it.....which is why I said " it appears " .

If his 1.5 gram recommendation is based on some peer reviewed studies, then that fact wasn't obvious in the text you provided.



Well, Pasquale is a member of the American College of Sports Medicine - one of these organizations I cited and that you claim are allegedly " considered jokes by many informed people in the fitness world ".

I suspect, that when the ACSM developed it's position paper, they had access to all the same peer reviewed studies as Pasquale did.

His membership doesn't equate him with the spectrum of material that is published through that organization. He doesn't decide what is published. Anyone who has been in the field knows Pasquale is a leader in the field of fitness and body development.

No offense but the "peer reviewed" studies are absolutely garbage in the field of nutrition and strength development. You can't honestly believe that because Pasquale and ACSM read the same journal articles, that they should be coming to the same conclusions. The latter has a rediculous number of years of experience and a medical degree that actually allows him to determine if something makes physiologic sense. And he works in both bariatrics and sports medicine. AND he trained himself to such an elite level and has trained others to an elite level. That actual experience trumps everything else when the studies are equivocal.

[amz155]

Is there anything besides anecdote and expert opinion on how much protein to take? After reading this thread I'm starting to wonder if the returns from anything above 1g/lbs are really there. I agree it seems like it is because bodybuilder website/experts/someone you know says so, but it would be nice if there was a good trial that actually compared 1g/lbs vs 1.5g/lbs.

AFAIK, this is the bible for info on protein. Lots of good articles on his website too:

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/the-protein-book

Nutrition for muscle gain:

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/category/muscle-gain/eating-for-muscle-gain

[WildPegasus]

AFAIK, this is the bible for info on protein. Lots of good articles on his website too:

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/the-protein-book

Nutrition for muscle gain:

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/category/muscle-gain/eating-for-muscle-gain

I wouldn't pay money for anything by Lyle McDonald. He's a whiny petulant child.

[amz155]

I wouldn't pay money for anything by Lyle McDonald. He's a whiny petulant child.

Your opinion is what matters most to me.

[Tijuana]

Soo much fail in this thread... no surprise poedua is front and centre.

[BDSL]

Soo much fail in this thread... no surprise poedua is front and centre.

You seems to be always attacking poedua.
I know people don't always have to get along. People have their opinion and take on beliefs, social issues, etc.
I noticed that Poedua has been peacefully minding his/her business as to not make personal attacks at you but you seems to be constantly stirring the pot.

If you don't like someone's opinion, state the fact and leave it as is.
Whether you are right or wrong, some people will not change their mind no matter how hard you try.
Live your life and let them live theirs.
Let us get on with our lives.

Thanks.

[Sibica]

His membership doesn't equate him with the spectrum of material that is published through that organization. He doesn't decide what is published. Anyone who has been in the field knows Pasquale is a leader in the field of fitness and body development.

No offense but the "peer reviewed" studies are absolutely garbage in the field of nutrition and strength development. You can't honestly believe that because Pasquale and ACSM read the same journal articles, that they should be coming to the same conclusions. The latter has a rediculous number of years of experience and a medical degree that actually allows him to determine if something makes physiologic sense. And he works in both bariatrics and sports medicine. AND he trained himself to such an elite level and has trained others to an elite level. That actual experience trumps everything else when the studies are equivocal.

You can't win here. She puts so much credence in her "fitness experts" online and unfortunately, none of them are physicians, biochemists or the like. When the USDA releases its recommendations, the dieticians, nutritionists, and trainers all follow suit, along with the very organizations that license them. There is no room for change or dissidence, and the same BS is perpetuated throughout the web, and gyms across the world.

And there is a reason for the italics...

[niroopg]

You seems to be always attacking poedua.
I know people don't always have to get along. People have their opinion and take on beliefs, social issues, etc.
I noticed that Poedua has been peacefully minding his/her business as to not make personal attacks at you but you seems to be constantly stirring the pot.

If you don't like someone's opinion, state the fact and leave it as is.
Whether you are right or wrong, some people will not change their mind no matter how hard you try.
Live your life and let them live theirs.
Let us get on with our lives.

Thanks.

Here comes the e-knight in shining armor. I'm sure Poedua can take care of herself.

[poedua]

Here comes the e-knight in shining armor. I'm sure Poedua can take care of herself.

;)

:cheesygri:cheesygri

[poedua]

Yup, Dr. Mauro Di Pasquale is a world reknowned expert in elite performance.

Over the last four decades he has had extensive exposure to athletic injuries and disabilities, and ergogenic and nutritional supplement use by athletes. As well, he operated a Sports Medicine, Nutrition and Bariatric clinic for over three decades. He has been chairman/member of several national and international powerlifting, bodybuilding and Olympic weight lifting sports federation medical committees. Over this period of time he has acted as a consultant, medical advisor, drug testing officer and technical expert on the pharmacology and pathophysiology of sports, nutritional supplement use and drug testing.

So, this is the same Dr. Mauro Di Pasquale who developed, markets and sells his own line of supplements ( protein supplements etc. etc. ) ?

[niroopg]

So, this is the same Dr. Mauro Di Pasquale who developed, markets and sells his own line of supplements ( protein supplements etc. etc. ) ?

Yes, but what does that have to do with anything? Does that somehow disprove his approach? Does he say that you have to take his supplements to achieve optimal results?

The answers to those questions: Nothing. No. No.

I'm done. I give up. Just wasting my time.

[poedua]

His membership doesn't equate him with the spectrum of material that is published through that organization.

I never said it did.

Some one else just said that the American College of Sports Medicine ( ACSM ) that I cited was " considered jokes by many informed people in the fitness world ".

I simply pointed out to him that Dr. Pasquale is a member of the same organization that he refers as this so-called " joke " organization.


He doesn't decide what is published.

I never said he did.


Anyone who has been in the field knows Pasquale is a leader in the field of fitness and body development.

I'm sure he's one of many leaders in the field of fitness and body development.


No offense but the "peer reviewed" studies are absolutely garbage in the field of nutrition and strength development.

How is it " peer reviewed " studies having to do with nutrition and strength development published in peer-reviewed journals are " absolutely garbage " exactly ?

And....what sorts of studies would you suggest are superior to "peer reviewed" studies published in peer-reviewed journals ?


You can't honestly believe that because Pasquale and ACSM read the same journal articles, that they should be coming to the same conclusions.

They may - they may not.

Dr. Pasquale has a personal opinion.

The editorial board of the ACSM's Journal ( of about 70+ Phds etc. - see below ) - which I suspect would also have input on reviewing the research as part of the process of forming a ' Position ' - forms collective / consensus opinions as well.

Potentially, as many as 70+ opinions from academics and or practioners representing the ACSM vs. 1 opinion from Dr. Pasquale.


The latter has a rediculous number of years of experience and a medical degree that actually allows him to determine if something makes physiologic sense.

There a lot of collective years of experience among the ACSM's Journal Editorial Board as well ( some RDs, MDs etc. and a ' whole bunch ' of Phd's included )....


Elizabeth Applegate, PhD, FACSM
University of California-Davis

Sue Baic, MSc, RD, RNutr
University of Bristol

Thomas W. Balon, PhD, FACSM
Complete Healthcare Communications

William B. Baun, EPD, FAWHP
University of Texas MD Anderson
Cancer Center

Katherine A. Beals, PhD, RD, FACSM
University of Utah

Susan G. Beckham, PhD, FACSM
Dallas VA Medical Center

Dan Benardot, PhD, RD, FACSM
Georgia State University

Kris Berg, EdD
University of Nebraska at Omaha

L. Jerome Brandon, PhD, FACSM
Georgia State University

Peter Brubaker, PhD, FACSM
Wake Forest University

Janet Buckworth, PhD, FACSM
The Ohio State University

Patricia Case, MS, RD, CDE
Klamath Basin Research & Extension Center

Frank J. Cerny, PhD, FACSM
University at Buffalo

Gary P. Chimes, MD, PhD
University of Pittsburgh

Nancy Clark, MS, RD, FACSM
Sports Nutrition Services

M. Elaine Cress, PhD, FACSM
University of Georgia

Scott E. Crouter, PhD, FACSM
University of Massachusetts, Boston

Cathryn R. Dooly, PhD, FACSM
Lander University

J. Larry Durstine, PhD, FACSM
University of South Carolina

JoAnn Eickhoff-Shemek, PhD, FACSM
University of South Florida, Tampa

Avery Faigenbaum, EdD, FACSM
The College of New Jersey

Jorge E. Franchella, MD, FACSM
Buenos Aires University, Argentina

Warren D. Franke, PhD, FACSM
Iowa State University

Barry A. Franklin, PhD, FACSM
William Beaumont Hospital, MI

Ron Goetzel, PhD
Cornell University/Thomson Healthcare

Scott Going, PhD
University of Arizona, Tucson

Lawrence A. Golding, PhD, FACSM
University of Nevada, Las Vegas

James M. Green, PhD, FACSM
The University of North Alabama

Greg Heath, DHSc, MPH, FACSM
University of Tenessee at Chattanooga

Pamela S. Hinton, PhD
University of Missouri

Werner W.K. Hoeger, EdD, FACSM
Boise State University, ID

Linda K. Houtkooper, PhD, FACSM
University of Arizona, Tucson

M. Loreto Jackson, PhD
Clemson University

Donald L. Jones, PhD
Keiser University, Daytona Beach, FL

Leonard A. Kaminsky, PhD, FACSM
Ball State University, IN

Carol A. Kennedy-Armbruster, ]MS
Indiana University

Marcus W. Kilpatrick, PhD
University of South Florida

William J. Kraemer, PhD, FACSM
University of Connecticut

Len R. Kravitz, PhD
University of New Mexico

Laura J. Kruskall, PhD, RD, FACSM
University of Nevada, Las Vegas

Ralph L. LaForge, MS, CLS, FNLA
Duke University Medical Center

J. Timothy Lightfoot, PhD, FACSM
University of North Carolina, Charlotte

Gary Liguori, PhD
North Dakota State University

Chris Melby, PhD
Colorado State University

Nanna L. Meyer, PhD, RD
The Orthopedic Specialty Hospital (TOSH)
TOSH Sport Science

Laurie Milliken, PhD
University of Massachusetts, Boston

Kara I. Mohr, PhD, FACSM
Mohr Results, Inc.

Don Morgan, PhD, FACSM
Middle Tennessee State University

Robert Murray, PhD, FACSM
Sport Science Insights, LLC

Celine R. Neefkes-Zonneveld, CES
Exercise Connexion Europe, The Netherlands

Izumi Nishibata, MA
Kawasaki City College of Nursing

Michele S. Olson, PhD, FACSM
Auburn University, Montgomery

Richard B. Parr, EdD, FACSM
Central Michigan University

Linda S. Pescatello, PhD, FACSM
University of Connecticut

Patricia A. Pierce, PhD, FACSM
Slippery Rock University

Joy Prouty
Fitness Programming, Inc.

Jack Raglin, PhD, FACSM
Indiana University, Bloomington

Harcharan S. Ranu, PhD
American Orthopaedic Biomechanics Research Institute
and King Saud University

Amy D. Rickman, PhD, RD, LDN
University of Pittsburgh

William O. Roberts, MD, MS, FACSM
University of Minnesota Medical School

Nancy R. Rodriguez, PhD, RD, FACSM
University of Connecticut

Peter Ronai, MS, RCEP
Ahlbin Rehabilitation Centers of Bridgeport Hospital

Paul Sorace, MS, RCEP
Hackensack University Medical Center

Nina S. Stachenfeld, PhD, FACSM
Yale University School of Medicine

Dixie Stanforth, MS
The University of Texas at Austin

Amy Jo Sutterluety, PhD, FACSM
Baldwin-Wallace College

Janice L. Thompson, PhD, FACSM
The University of Bristol

Walter R. Thompson, PhD, FACSM
Georgia State University

Donald Torok, PhD, FACSM
Florida Atlantic University

Alan C. Utter, PhD, MPH, FACSM
Appalachian State University

Wayne L. Wescott, PhD
Quincy College

Melvin Williams, PhD, FACSM
Old Dominion University

M. Allison Williams, PhD
Grove City College

Henry Williford, EdD, FACSM
Auburn University, Montgomery

Stephen H.S. Wong, PhD, FACSM
The Chinese University of Hong Kong

Kathleen Woolf, PhD, RD
Arizona State University

Mary Yoke, MA
Adelphi University

http://journals.lww.com/acsm-healthfitness/pages/default.aspx

[poedua]

Yes,.

Thanks....that's all I wanted to know.;)

[poedua]

You can't win here. She puts so much credence in her "fitness experts" online and unfortunately, none of them are physicians, biochemists or the like.

Although, I also often reference.......


- The International Society of Sport Nutrition recommends
- The National Strength and Conditioning Association
- The American Dietetic Association (ADA)
- Dietitians of Canada (DC)
- The American College of Sports Medicine (ACSM)

.......which I'm sure would also include physicians, biochemists or the like among their staff, research / advisory groups.

[Tijuana]

Although, I also often reference.......


- The International Society of Sport Nutrition recommends
- The National Strength and Conditioning Association
- The American Dietetic Association (ADA)
- Dietitians of Canada (DC)
- The American College of Sports Medicine (ACSM) ....

.......which I'm sure would also include physicians, biochemists or the like among their research / advisory groups.

Half of the organizations say saturated fats are bad for you....

[mic2074]

Hey,

First time getting on protein shakes. Advice needed.

So I have been going to gym for awhile and sometime after gym I buy one of those protein shakes at our gym, and man they taste sooo good. I am not sure how they make it, but they taste real good, they probably add more things to it to make it taste better but still be healthier.

I want something simple like mixing in just water or just milk and drinking it after workout. I read Champion Nutrition's Cookies and Cream tastes really good? Will it taste good if I just take a scoop of that mix it in water/milk and drink?

Also, as starting out on protein shakes how much intake is good for starting? 1 scoop which has like 24grams?

Can I take 1 scoop in the morning with milk, and then 1 scoop after workout in the evening? How do you guys do it?

Sorry for lots of questions :) :)


so, OP - have your questions been answered ? do you have any further questions ? or are you scared now to ask ? :D

[awaisuk]

Heh, I know what you mean. Lots of serious discussions.

Anyway, I will be buying Champion Nutrition Cookies and Cream Whey Stack and will be trying it out with my workout to see if it makes a difference. As I get low protien in my diet, I think that will definitely help.

Thanks for all the help!!

[BDSL]

Heh, I know what you mean. Lots of serious discussions.

Anyway, I will be buying Champion Nutrition Cookies and Cream Whey Stack and will be trying it out with my workout to see if it makes a difference. As I get low protien in my diet, I think that will definitely help.

Thanks for all the help!!

So after a 4-page discussion, you are still sticking with the high sugar Cookie and Cream supplement????
:?::?::?::?:

[poedua]

Heh, I know what you mean. Lots of serious discussions.

Anyway, I will be buying Champion Nutrition Cookies and Cream Whey Stack and will be trying it out with my workout to see if it makes a difference. As I get low protien in my diet, I think that will definitely help.

Thanks for all the help!!

You may simply want to get more protein in your diet as well.;)

And in terms of trying to determine if you're getting enough protein each day, how much do you weigh ?

How often do you workout ?

[awaisuk]

Thats what it says:

Ingredients
Calories: 130, Calories From Fat: 20, Total Fat: 2gm, Saturated Fat: 1gm, Cholesterol: 55mg, Sodium: 100mg, Potassium: 180mg, Total Carbohydrate: 4gm, Fiber: 1.5gm, Sugars: 1.5gm, Protein: 24gm, Calcium: 180mg, Phosphorous: 120mg, Magnesium: 20mg

Thats not alot of sugar....is it?

I work out like 4 times a week.

Thanks.

[BDSL]

Ingredients
Whey Protein Concentrate and Isolate , Whey Peptides , Whole Milk Powder , Natural & Artificial Flavoring , Cocoa Powder , Salt , Sucralose , Acesulfame-Potassium


They are using artificial sweetener....thats why.....thats another debate.

[poedua]

Thats what it says:

Ingredients
Calories: 130, Calories From Fat: 20, Total Fat: 2gm, Saturated Fat: 1gm, Cholesterol: 55mg, Sodium: 100mg, Potassium: 180mg, Total Carbohydrate: 4gm, Fiber: 1.5gm, Sugars: 1.5gm, Protein: 24gm, Calcium: 180mg, Phosphorous: 120mg, Magnesium: 20mg

Thats not alot of sugar....is it?

I work out like 4 times a week.

Thanks.

How much do you weigh ?

What is your target for daily protein grams ?

[Tijuana]

Fair enough. ( btw ....how much do you weigh ? )


How much do you weigh ?

What is your target for daily protein grams ?

You already asked.....

[HTTP04]

You already asked.....

Poedua...the infamous RFD sports & fitness expert.

How can you argue with someone who has 21,000+ posts, just how?

[Tijuana]

Poedua...the infamous RFD sports & fitness expert.

How can you argue with someone who has 21,000+ posts, just how?

It's easy when you don't know the edit button exists :)

[Strategy]

When is a good time to have these shakes?

1 can be right after workout, can another be right when you wake up first thing? When is the ideal time?

[BDSL]

When is a good time to have these shakes?

1 can be right after workout, can another be right when you wake up first thing? When is the ideal time?

There is no ideal time. Just make sure you have a steady intake throughout the day.

[poedua]

There is no ideal time. Just make sure you have a steady intake throughout the day.

+1

Our resident trainer concurs...



You don't need "post-workout" shakes. Just eat lots of protein throughout the day. It circulates for hours after ingestion, so specific supplementation isn't required.

[HTTP04]

When is a good time to have these shakes?

1 can be right after workout, can another be right when you wake up first thing? When is the ideal time?

I take it throughout the day, but mainly postworkout

There seems to be a general consensus on bodybuilding.com to take it postworkout so if I can only have 1 shake per day, I rather drink it postworkout

[gstylez]

anyone know when the costco kaizen brand will go on sale again?

[speeeeee]

anyone know when the costco kaizen brand will go on sale again?
hopefully soon im running out !

[HTTP04]

anyone know when the costco kaizen brand will go on sale again?

In the meantime, try EAS (tastes shi**y but it's reputable) or Myofusion

Both are pretty cheap at GNC

[gstylez]

In the meantime, try EAS (tastes shi**y but it's reputable) or Myofusion

Both are pretty cheap at GNC

gnc is a rip off, price of myofusion on bb has gone up and ON is steady on the 50 range
thats why im looking to try kaizen

[gstylez]

I use Truenutrition.com. I have used them for 6-7 years now. Used to be trueprotein.com.

I usually buy 50 pounds of protein per go.

Love the bulk ordering. Super high quality. Can customize whatever you want. One stop shop. And they guarentee "WE REPEAT, THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL TAXES, DUTIES, OR BROKERAGE CHARGES UPON RECEIPT". I have never received a second extra charge even though I buy in rediculous bulk.

PM me if you want more details.

hey there i have considered ordering from them before but seemed a tad confusing with the whole stevia etc and flavouring
would you mind giving us a lowdown on how it works ie flavour etc

[Beradon]

If anyone has concerns on price go with bulk supplements. Someone listed Trueprotein. Here's another one: http://www.canadianprotein.com They sell their own bulk supplements so you're mostly paying for the product without the brand pricing. However if you insist on branded products they have them as well.

btw; for their bulk protein they carry flavored and unflavored. Word of advice, you're going to get sick of all these flavored shakes especially if you take the same one day in and day out. I've mostly stuck to unflavored and have a 2lb tub of flavored protein for rare occasions.

[DanP]

btw; for their bulk protein they carry flavored and unflavored. Word of advice, you're going to get sick of all these flavored shakes especially if you take the same one day in and day out. I've mostly stuck to unflavored and have a 2lb tub of flavored protein for rare occasions.

I completely agree! I bought 2lb of cookies and cream, and after a week i couldnt drink anymore. I now just get plain vanilla or chocolate and add my own flavors. Fruits and bananas work wonders!

Check out my signature for a good place to purchase Protien in Canada. I've tried a bunch of companies and these guys seem to offer the best service, and no concerns about duties ordering from the states. I got hit once with duties....i might as well have bought from GNC with the prices they charged!

[niroopg]

I completely agree! I bought 2lb of cookies and cream, and after a week i couldnt drink anymore. I now just get plain vanilla or chocolate and add my own flavors. Fruits and bananas work wonders!

Check out my signature for a good place to purchase Protien in Canada. I've tried a bunch of companies and these guys seem to offer the best service, and no concerns about duties ordering from the states. I got hit once with duties....i might as well have bought from GNC with the prices they charged!

Flavour? haha - I just open my throat and pour. Takes all of 5 seconds to get it down. There is nothing to enjoy in protein shakes lol. I don't even blend it, i just chew on the chunks.

[DanP]

Flavour? haha - I just open my throat and pour. Takes all of 5 seconds to get it down. There is nothing to enjoy in protein shakes lol. I don't even blend it, i just chew on the chunks.

I've done that before...i dunno if its just me, but i always bloated and get the protein farts. Not cool.:confused:

[HTTP04]

Flavour? haha - I just open my throat and pour. Takes all of 5 seconds to get it down. There is nothing to enjoy in protein shakes lol. I don't even blend it, i just chew on the chunks.

Sometimes when I'm super lazy I just straight powder shot it and wash it down with water :D

[Sibica]

Flavour? haha - I just open my throat and pour. Takes all of 5 seconds to get it down. There is nothing to enjoy in protein shakes lol. I don't even blend it, i just chew on the chunks.

For me, it's the flavour that keeps me wanting it. I have had unflavoured in the past and it just plains sucks drinking it everyday. Like drinking water, which I do a ton of already :(

[BDSL]

If taking boring protein shake is that hard for you (which only takes 20 seconds), try working out at high intensity for +60 mins.
Come on, it only takes 20 seconds to drink that protein shake.

[mic2074]

protein drinks are so much tastier now than it was 15 years ago... back then, the taste and texture was like chalk. I don't see why ppl make such a big deal about the taste.

[BDSL]

protein drinks are so much tastier now than it was 15 years ago... back then, the taste and texture was like chalk. I don't see why ppl make such a big deal about the taste.

I know. The taste of protein shake should be the easiest part of your workout...

[Sibica]

I know. The taste of protein shake should be the easiest part of your workout...

And who exactly said it wasn't?

I think most powders taste great. I see no reason why I would choose an unflavoured one over flavoured.

[Sibica]

protein drinks are so much tastier now than it was 15 years ago... back then, the taste and texture was like chalk. I don't see why ppl make such a big deal about the taste.

I remember ages ago as a young teen, I bought one called Animal protein (or some sh*t) and it was strawberry flavour. First off, no flavour whatsoever, just pink, and did not mix even with a blender. Got clogged in the throat on the way down and would almost choke you to death. I believe back then, they were all or at least most, egg proteins and they simply would not dissolve.

[mic2074]

I remember ages ago as a young teen, I bought one called Animal protein (or some sh*t) and it was strawberry flavour. First off, no flavour whatsoever, just pink, and did not mix even with a blender. Got clogged in the throat on the way down and would almost choke you to death. I believe back then, they were all or at least most, egg proteins and they simply would not dissolve.

wow, you got strawberry - don't remember strawberry... all I could find back then was chocolate or vanilla. It was back before GNC came to Canada - only place I found them was at bulk barn.

[Sibica]

wow, you got strawberry - don't remember strawberry... all I could find back then was chocolate or vanilla. It was back before GNC came to Canada - only place I found them was at bulk barn.

Bought mine at Hy & Zels! LOL Back then, they were the only place that I could find supplements and this is going pretty far back, mind you.

I still remember my cousin buying MLO Mass Gainer 3600 at the GNC in the US, and myself buying Twinlabs Mass Fuel 2500. All I can say is that I have NEVER had gas like that, EVER in life, until drinking that stuff. I can only imagine now that is was loaded with fructose or something. That being said, the taste was great! It's funny how they market those mass drinks to the naive - the front of the tub shows some huge calorie number, only when you actually read the back label, can you pack in those calories with 10 scoops of powder, in whole milk, and there are something like 5 servings per 10 lbs bag! LOL Ahhh, the good old days....

[Cas77]

I remember ages ago as a young teen, I bought one called Animal protein (or some sh*t) and it was strawberry flavour. First off, no flavour whatsoever, just pink, and did not mix even with a blender. Got clogged in the throat on the way down and would almost choke you to death. I believe back then, they were all or at least most, egg proteins and they simply would not dissolve.

Wow you guys make me feel old. Back in the day there was no nutrition stores so after watching Arnold do it in Pumping Iron IIRC I'd break a half dozen eggs in a cup and drink it raw! The worse tasting protein today is a delicassy compared to raw eggs.

[niroopg]

Wow you guys make me feel old. Back in the day there was no nutrition stores so after watching Arnold do it in Pumping Iron IIRC I'd break a half dozen eggs in a cup and drink it raw! The worse tasting protein today is a delicassy compared to raw eggs.

I do that these days. Except I do whites only - every morning, 20 egg whites raw.

[Tijuana]

I do that these days. Except I do whites only - every morning, 20 egg whites raw.

I'm guessing you use an egg white pre-mix. Why don't you like using whole eggs :p The yolk is the best part :razz:

[mic2074]

Wow you guys make me feel old. Back in the day there was no nutrition stores so after watching Arnold do it in Pumping Iron IIRC I'd break a half dozen eggs in a cup and drink it raw! The worse tasting protein today is a delicassy compared to raw eggs.

I did that too... when the protein ran out, and too poor to buy more, I drink raw eggs... my inspiration wasn't from watching Arnold - it was from watching Rocky.

[Sibica]

Wow you guys make me feel old. Back in the day there was no nutrition stores so after watching Arnold do it in Pumping Iron IIRC I'd break a half dozen eggs in a cup and drink it raw! The worse tasting protein today is a delicassy compared to raw eggs.

No chance I could drink that. I have no problem with taste; it's all texture. That slimy goop going down the throat isn't going to happen. I would rather eat the eggs scrambled (which I reckon I could eat a dozen with no problem) or wolf back cans of salmon/tuna. I gotta hand it to anyone that can drink back raw eggs though.

[BDSL]

I have no problem with taste; it's all texture. That slimy goop going down the throat isn't going to happen.

We are still talking about protein shakes here, right????? :D:D

[poedua]

We are still talking about protein shakes here, right????? :D:D

Good one !!!

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Tijuana]

Damn... I think this was the longest we had a poedua-free reply. No bickering, no arguing, just discussion that brought many people together. How... enjoyable :)

[BDSL]

Damn... I think this was the longest we had a poedua-free reply. No bickering, no arguing, just discussion that brought many people together. How... enjoyable :)

Lets not get started...please don't stir the pot.
Why are we constantly bringing the past back up and create unnecessary confrontation?

[niroopg]

Lets not get started...please don't stir the pot.
Why are we constantly bringing the past back up and create unnecessary confrontation?

Why are you always playing the e-knight in shining armor?

[Cas77]

We are still talking about protein shakes here, right????? :D:D


Lets not get started...please don't stir the pot.
Why are we constantly bringing the past back up and create unnecessary confrontation?

Sorry, who stirred this pot? and who agreed with the pot stirring in an attempt to create "unnecessary confrontation"?

There was a natural constructive progression to this thread (and I'm pretty sure every poster in this thread minus 2 would agree with me) and you had to come in and not only troll, but open the door wide open for your troll friend.

****ing ridiculous. Now mods gimme my 5 point infraction again...and make sure the real culprits get off unscathed. :facepalm:

[Strategy]

Within 1 hour of workout, how many grams of protein and carbohydrates should you consume?

P90x says 12g protein, 40g carbs.. but this seems low on the protein side? Thats only half a scoop of isolate

[HTTP04]

Damn... I think this was the longest we had a poedua-free reply. No bickering, no arguing, just discussion that brought many people together. How... enjoyable :)


Sorry, who stirred this pot? and who agreed with the pot stirring in an attempt to create "unnecessary confrontation"?

There was a natural constructive progression to this thread (and I'm pretty sure every poster in this thread minus 2 would agree with me) and you had to come in and not only troll, but open the door wide open for your troll friend.

****ing ridiculous. Now mods gimme my 5 point infraction again...and make sure the real culprits get off unscathed. :facepalm:

How I feel:

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[Sibica]

Within 1 hour of workout, how many grams of protein and carbohydrates should you consume?

P90x says 12g protein, 40g carbs.. but this seems low on the protein side? Thats only half a scoop of isolate

I'd love to know how they came up with those figures... If I do have a protein shake, it's almost always two scoops of protein but more often than not, it's a meal of sorts. I've recently started adding more carbs into my diet (roughly 60-80 grams a day at most) and try and focus many of them post-workout. Something easy like a yam or sweet potato and a protein source with lots of fat.

I wouldn't worry too much on numbers, just have some protein and carbs, if you choose to.

[AV-Fishing]

This is the stuff that I use ... GNC Allmax® Nutrition QuickMass® - Chocolate 1.5kb ... $37.59 ... I normally go through this jug in about 6-7 weeks ...

They say take 2 servings a day (each serving 1010 calories) mixed with milk ... but I sometimes throw in an extra serving on top of my regular 3 meals ...

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[mic2074]

Within 1 hour of workout, how many grams of protein and carbohydrates should you consume?

P90x says 12g protein, 40g carbs.. but this seems low on the protein side? Thats only half a scoop of isolate

I've been reading up a lot on bodybuilding.com forums, lately - and the consensus is that there is no magic window for protein in take. You can take some after workout. Most recommend, it's more important that you get all your daily intake of the 3 macro nutrients - protein, carbs, and fat... doesn't matter when.

[mic2074]

This is the stuff that I use ... GNC Allmax® Nutrition QuickMass® - Chocolate 1.5kb ... $37.59 ... I normally go through this jug in about 6-7 weeks ...

They say take 2 servings a day (each serving 1010 calories) mixed with milk ... but I sometimes throw in an extra serving on top of my regular 3 meals ...


that's a weight gainer - not really a protein drink. Good if you want to gain weight or have it as a meal replacement.

[Tijuana]

I've been reading up a lot on bodybuilding.com forums - and the consensus is that there is no magic window for protein in take. You can take some after workout. Most recommend, it's more important that you get all your daily intake of the 3 macro nutrients - protein, carbs, and fat... doesn't matter when.

This. A well balanced meal within a few hours is best. The only time I would recommend eating immediately after is if you are still going to be doing a lot of physically demanding work after your workout.

[Therion]

A few things:

1) Raw eggs. Yuck. Salmonella. Less digestible protein. Enough said.

2) Post workout protein/carb intake. Irrelevant. Eat meals with lots of protein in it throughout the day, and you don't have to worry about it post-workout.

3) Re: Quickmass weight gainer: 161 grams of refined carbohydrates in a meal does not healthy make. That's asking for diabetes. Eat more food.

Proceed with the bickering.

[Sibica]

A few things:

1) Raw eggs. Yuck. Salmonella. Less digestible protein. Enough said.

2) Post workout protein/carb intake. Irrelevant. Eat meals with lots of protein in it throughout the day, and you don't have to worry about it post-workout.

3) Re: Quickmass weight gainer: 161 grams of refined carbohydrates in a meal does not healthy make. That's asking for diabetes. Eat more food.

Proceed with the bickering.

+1

I'm sure the resident fitness guru will disagree with that point...

[poedua]

A few things:

1) Raw eggs. Yuck. Salmonella. Less digestible protein. Enough said.

2) Post workout protein/carb intake. Irrelevant. Eat meals with lots of protein in it throughout the day, and you don't have to worry about it post-workout.

3) Re: Quickmass weight gainer: 161 grams of refined carbohydrates in a meal does not healthy make. That's asking for diabetes. Eat more food.

Proceed with the bickering.

+1

;)

[Strategy]

What are some easy to make foods with protein in them? I find that I have little protein foods in my fridge and I have to compensate with extra protein shakes.

[niroopg]

What are some easy to make foods with protein in them? I find that I have little protein foods in my fridge and I have to compensate with extra protein shakes.

I eat a container of cottage cheese every day - 60 g of protein right there. Then each can of tuna is 30g. I eat mostly pacific salmon. And you can get chicken in a can from costco (tastes terribad) and it has 90g.

But I really recommend cottage cheese. Easy to eat, doesnt taste like a typical protein and is 60g!

[Therion]

Cottage cheese is great. I also buy lots of baked chickens from the grocery store. $10 gets you about 100+ grams of high quality, ready-made protein. Whey protein on its own is a great way to add protein to things like oatmeal, smoothies, yogurt+granola, cookies (!), etc.)

Other protein sources:
Greek yogurt
those cheap blocks of cheese (they're always on sale)
any fish, including canned, except for tuna, which is very high in mercury nowadays, unfortunately
chickpeas, lentils and beans
STEAK!
eggs, eggs, eggs

A cup of greek yogurt with half a scoop of whey and granola for breakfast, a handful of almonds for snacks, ham and cheese sandwich (loaded) for lunch, more nuts for another snack, and fish, steak, or chicken dinner gives you more than enough protein for the day. It's not too complicated, either. Try www.calorieking.com to find out the nutritional content of food.

[Strategy]

I eat a container of cottage cheese every day - 60 g of protein right there. Then each can of tuna is 30g. I eat mostly pacific salmon. And you can get chicken in a can from costco (tastes terribad) and it has 90g.

But I really recommend cottage cheese. Easy to eat, doesnt taste like a typical protein and is 60g!


Cottage cheese is great. I also buy lots of baked chickens from the grocery store. $10 gets you about 100+ grams of high quality, ready-made protein. Whey protein on its own is a great way to add protein to things like oatmeal, smoothies, yogurt+granola, cookies (!), etc.)

Other protein sources:
Greek yogurt
those cheap blocks of cheese (they're always on sale)
any fish, including canned, except for tuna, which is very high in mercury nowadays, unfortunately
chickpeas, lentils and beans
STEAK!
eggs, eggs, eggs

A cup of greek yogurt with half a scoop of whey and granola for breakfast, a handful of almonds for snacks, ham and cheese sandwich (loaded) for lunch, more nuts for another snack, and fish, steak, or chicken dinner gives you more than enough protein for the day. It's not too complicated, either. Try www.calorieking.com to find out the nutritional content of food.

Nice, thanks ;D What do you guys think about the fat content of that food though? There seems to be high protein, but high fats as well. I'm trying to build muscle at the moment. I'm a skinny guy trying to bulk up.

[rilhouse]

Nice, thanks ;D What do you guys think about the fat content of that food though? There seems to be high protein, but high fats as well. I'm trying to build muscle at the moment. I'm a skinny guy trying to bulk up.

if your trying to bulk then fat is your friend. eat lots of healthy fats!

[Cas77]

if your trying to bulk then fat is your friend. eat lots of healthy fats!

This. Fat is calorie dense...take shots of EVOO with every meal is you need to up the calories.

[qmelley]

I have been torn between getting on protein shakes or just getting by what i get everyday! Thanks for this

[niroopg]

I have been torn between getting on protein shakes or just getting by what i get everyday! Thanks for this

If you can get your protein requirements by whole foods, it is without a doubt better than having 3 shakes a day. But it you can't afford it (meat is expensive) or just cant eat that much, then shakes will be beneficial and allow you to hit macros.

[poedua]

What are some easy to make foods with protein in them? I find that I have little protein foods in my fridge and I have to compensate with extra protein shakes.

See Post #22 in this thread for a list of over 25 common foods ( servings ) and their relative protein content.to help you in getting your daily required intake of protein.

[poedua]

If you can get your protein requirements by whole foods, it is without a doubt better than having 3 shakes a day. But it you can't afford it (meat is expensive) or just cant eat that much, then shakes will be beneficial and allow you to hit macros.

+1

Couldn't agree more.

[Sibica]

PLEASE don't read that post. In fact, ignore it. There are may be 8-10 foods on there worth eating, and the rest is garbage.
A list of acceptable foods to eat should be rather short, and including foods for "convenience's sake" or "everything in moderation!" is ignorant.

[HTTP04]

See Post #22 in this thread for a list of over 25 common foods ( servings ) and their relative protein content.to help you in getting your daily required intake of protein.

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[Strategy]

if your trying to bulk then fat is your friend. eat lots of healthy fats!


This. Fat is calorie dense...take shots of EVOO with every meal is you need to up the calories.

What I'm worried about though, is that the extra calories will be added as fat instead of muscle :S I don't know how to avoid this.

[crystallight]

So I've begun buying those 2lb whey protein isolate jugs from the store for around $25-30 each. But I just checked out truenutrition.com that was recommended earlier in this thread. While most of the protein there is $10-12 per lb, some are a lot cheaper like Milk Protein Isolate, Gemma Pea Protein Isolate, Rice Protein Isolate and Soy Protein Isolate (this last one being only $5 per lb). I was just wondering if you guys knew what the difference between something like the Soy Protein Isolate (http://truenutrition.com/p-945-soy-protein-isolate-non-gmo-1lb.aspx) and Whey Protein Isolate (http://truenutrition.com/p-947-whey-protein-isolate-cold-filtration-1lb.aspx) is since the Whey is double the price of the Soy. Thanks!

[Therion]

What I'm worried about though, is that the extra calories will be added as fat instead of muscle :S I don't know how to avoid this.
Won't be a problem if you have a high metabolism and you work out hard. Rebuilding muscle takes a lot of energy. Your body won't care where it comes from , as long as there's enough calories. The whole low-fat approach is not the way to go if you're trying to get bigger. Think of it this way: your workout probably burns off 500 calories, plus you need another 500 calories a day as surplus to build muscle at a reasonable pace. That's over a 1000 kcal that you'll need to add to your diet to put on weight. Without fat you'd have to eat another 200 g of carbs, which won't do your blood sugar and insulin levels much good.

[poedua]

PLEASE don't read that post. In fact, ignore it. There are may be 8-10 foods on there worth eating, and the rest is garbage.

A list of acceptable foods to eat should be rather short, and including foods for "convenience's sake" or "everything in moderation!" is ignorant.

Nonsense.

The foods are listed below. And, I was very clear about how the intent of the list as follows...



" these examples above are only rough approximations of the grams of protein in each item. In addition, while some fast food examples are listed, this is not to represent any sort of an endorsement to turn to fast food for protein - they're included for illustrative purposes only.

The bottom line is, by doing some simple homework on the protein content of various foods and by doing just ' a bit ' of planning, I'd say the vast majority of the average folks out there in terms of height / weight, lifestyle, etc. can easily get most ( if not all ) of the protein they need from normal everyday food sources in order to meet their nutritional and or training needs....IMO. "

And even if you choose to ignore the 5 fast food items noted at the end of the list, you're still left with 23 items any sports nutritionist would enndorse as being an acceptable part of of a healthy, well-balanced training diet.


Chicken, white ( 100 grams )...........................25
Pork, lean ( 100 grams ).................................23
Beef, lean ( 100 grams ).................................21
Fish, white ( 100 grams )................................20
Eggs ( 2 whole )...........................................13

Tofu, firm ( 100 grams )..................................20
Lentils, cooked ( I cup )..................................18
Kidney beans, cooked ( 1 cup ).........................17

Cottage Cheese ( 1/2 cup )..............................13
Yogurt ( 8 oz.).............................................. .13
Milk, ( 8 oz. )................................................. .8
Cheese ( 30 g )...............................................7

Peanut Butter ( 2 tbsp. )...................................8
Peanuts, ( 30 g ).............................................7
Sunflower seeds, ( 30 g )..................................6
Almonds, ( 30 g ).............................................6
Cashews, ( 30 g )............................................4

Potato, ( 150 g ).............................................5
Broccoli, (240 ml )...........................................5
Carrots, ( 240 ml )...........................................2

Kellogg's All Bran Cereal ( 1 cup )........................7
Pasta,cooked ( 1 cup ).....................................6
Bread, ( 1 slice)............................................ ...3

6" Subway Sweet Onion Chicken Teriyaki Sub........24
Harvey's Original Hamburger...............................20
Wendy's, small chili...........................................18
McDonald's Grilled Snack Wrap............................16
Pizza, Pizza slice ( from XL pepperoni ).................13

[HTTP04]

Round 1, FIGHT

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[Tijuana]

Round 1, FIGHT

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What's wrong with using potatoes to obtain your protein requirements? :razz:

[Sibica]

What's wrong with using potatoes to obtain your protein requirements? :razz:

Good point. Potatoes are LOADED with protein!:facepalm:

I wonder if there are potato powders out there....hmm.... looking to replace my current whey powder....

[Tijuana]

Good point. Potatoes are LOADED with protein!:facepalm:

I wonder if there are potato powders out there....hmm.... looking to replace my current whey powder....

Oh there are, this is the one I use:

http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/genomyx/glycemyx-908-grams-2lb.html

Ingredients: High-Anthocyanin Purple Sweet Potato powder, Whole oat powder, glucomanna (konjac).

Note the "high" protein content ;)

[poedua]

Good point. Potatoes are LOADED with protein!:facepalm:

You might think " Potatoes are LOADED with protein "...but no one else does. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

[niroopg]

You might think " Potatoes are LOADED with protein "...but no one else does. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

http://dudelol.com/img/joke-went-over-your-head.gif

*sigh*

[HTTP04]

You might think " Potatoes are LOADED with protein "...but no one else does. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

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[Sibica]

Oh there are, this is the one I use:

http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/genomyx/glycemyx-908-grams-2lb.html

Ingredients: High-Anthocyanin Purple Sweet Potato powder, Whole oat powder, glucomanna (konjac).

Note the "high" protein content ;)

A whopping 4 grams of protein per 50 gram serving!!!! Whoa, Nelly!

[Bordello]

Seriously, what's the purpose of that GlyceMyx product? For carb supplement?

[niroopg]

Seriously, what's the purpose of that GlyceMyx product? For carb supplement?

Some people believe postworkout high glycemic index carbohydrates. Especially if you are trying to bulk.

[Sibica]

Seriously, what's the purpose of that GlyceMyx product? For carb supplement?

Like niroopg said.

I personally would much rather have a nice juicy rib-eye with a baked sweet potato :D

[Tijuana]

Seriously, what's the purpose of that GlyceMyx product? For carb supplement?

Has fiber, good source of carbs. You can make it into a meal replacement shake by adding a scoop with some protein powder and maybe some olive oil.


Some people believe postworkout high glycemic index carbohydrates. Especially if you are trying to bulk.

It's a more slower digesting carb and I don't believe it's all that high on the index.

[niroopg]

Has fiber, good source of carbs. You can make it into a meal replacement shake by adding a scoop with some protein powder and maybe some olive oil.



It's a more slower digesting carb and I don't believe it's all that high on the index.

Regardless of the ingredients, all powdered carbohydrates are high on the glycemic index because the surface area of a powder is increased compared to a solid/chewed food. This accelerates digestion and will spike insulin. While its not as high GI as WaxyMaize, it is still high.

But yes, you can slow it with olive oil or peanut butter. But it is still faster than optimal.

[poedua]

*sigh*

The point of the sample list of foods along with their various protein contents is to illustrate the point that being savvy of the protein content of various foods - be they they poor, fair, good or excellent sources of protein - can help you determine if you are able to meet your daily protein needs ( i.e possibly based on predetermined macronutrient targets / profiles ) without the need of protein supplements.

Protein intake from your diet should be your primary focus....at least IMO..

Protein supplements - IMO - should simply be used to meet shortfalls / gaps in your daily intake ( i.e. - to get to predetermined macronutrient profiles ) as set by your diet. Granted, for some people, protein supplements are used simply for their convenience or for those who are otherwise just too lazy to get protein from food.;)

If you don't know how much your eating, what your eating ( and in this case, the protein content ), you are just wasting money and time.;)

Again, eat meals with lots of protein in it throughout the day, and you don't have to worry about it post-workout.

[HTTP04]

The point of the sample list of foods along with their various protein contents is to illustrate the point that being savvy of the protein content of various foods - be they they poor, fair, good or excellent sources of protein - can help you determine if you are able to meet your daily protein needs ( i.e possibly based on predetermined macronutrient targets / profiles ) without the need of protein supplements.

Protein intake from your diet should be your primary focus....at least IMO..

Protein supplements - IMO - should simply be used to meet shortfalls / gaps in your daily intake ( i.e. - to get to predetermined macronutrient profiles ) as set by your diet. Granted, for some people, protein supplements are used simply for their convenience or for those who are otherwise just too lazy to get protein from food.;)

If you don't know how much your eating, what your eating ( and in this case, the protein content ), you are just wasting money and time.;)

Again, eat meals with lots of protein in it throughout the day, and you don't have to worry about it post-workout.

It's called savings poedua

Open your eyes once in a while and see the world from another pov


So, about 3.2 cents to 3.6 cents per gram of protein.

When compared to ...


Turkey - $1.49 per can - 70 grams of protein - 2.12 cents per gram

Baked Beans - $.69 per can - 25 grams of protein - 2.76 cents per gram

Lentils - $.77 per can - 26 grams of protein - 2.96 cents per gram

Raw Almonds - $3.00 per bag - 100 grams of protein - 3.0 cents per gram of protein

Pink Salmon - $2.49 per can - 80 grams of protein - 3.11 cents per gram

.....I'd hardly call whey protein supplements " far cheaper " than some natural food sources.

And in the case where where someone might need 1 whey shake at 25 grams of protein per serving ( 25 grams......per your quote above ) to assist in meeting his or her protein target for the day, getting those extra 25 grams a day from normal food sources, against the whey cost cited above by you of 3.2 cents to 3.6 cents cents per gram of protein, wouldn't be a lot more money per 25 grams serving even when using some options that are a bit more expensive on a per gram basis.....


Lean Cooked Ham - 3.49 cents per gram - as much as around an extra 9 cents per total 25 gram serving

Beef ( eye of round ) 3.53 cents per gram - as much as around an extra 10 cents per total 25 gram serving

Lean Pork Chop - 3.96 cents per gram - around an extra 20 cents per total 25 gram serving

Cottage Cheese - 4.43 cents per gram - around an extra 31 cents per total 25 gram serving


( Nice try though ;) )

Explain the above prices. Those numbers seems to be just pulled randomly out of your *****

[poedua]

Explain the above prices. Those numbers seems to be just pulled randomly out of your *****

Nope.....they came from places like No Frills, Fresh Co., Loblaws, Zehrs, Metro ( oh...and those are names of things called ' grocery stores ' btw ...it's where people go to buy food ;) ) & farmer's markets.

:D

[HTTP04]

Nope.....they came from places like No Frills, Fresh Co., Loblaws, Zehrs, Metro ( oh...and those are names of things called ' grocery stores ' btw ...it's where people go to buy food ;) ) & farmer's markets.

:D

Nope, the numbers you posted are outrageous.

I checked the prices myself.

Poedua, stating your opinion is one thing, but making up numbers to support your side tsk tsk

Go on, go to your "grocery stores" and provide proof, receipt, picture, anything. Go on poedua

Seriously have you even checked what numbers you put? $1.49 canned turkey 70g protein? Please do tell, IN DETAIL, where I can buy this.

[poedua]

Nope, the numbers you posted are outrageous.

I checked grocery stores myself

Then I would suggest you did a lousy job of checking.

Besides, prices can fluctuate week to week - the trick is to buy in bulk and or buy when items are on sale.

[HTTP04]

Then I would suggest you did a lousy job of checking.

Besides, prices can fluctuate week to week - the trick is to buy in bulk and or buy when items are on sale.

You did a lousy job of putting fake numbers up.

The trick is to support your argument with REAL numbers, not some fake numbers you made up to support yourself, you ignorant woman ;)

[poedua]

Nope, the numbers you posted are outrageous.

I checked the prices myself.

Poedua, stating your opinion is one thing, but making up numbers to support your side tsk tsk

Go on, go to your "grocery stores" and provide proof, receipt, picture, anything. Go on poedua

O.K.

I'm going to get right on that...and rest assured, I'm going to give it all the attention it deserves.

[HTTP04]

Like I said, go find me the exact brand and price.


Same place dcshabby does.......grocery stores.....see some of the protein per gram prices he was able to obtain...





....and all less than the price of 3.2 - 3.6 cents per gram of protein from whey supplements you cited earlier.;)


Will do !!

Your words poedua.

[poedua]

You did a lousy job of putting fake numbers up.

The trick is to support your argument with REAL numbers, not some fake numbers you made up to support yourself, you ignorant woman ;)

You must have me confused with someone else ...as I've made no argument concerning the prices points of various sources of protein in this thread.

[poedua]

Your words poedua.

And dcshabby's as well it seems....


" Same place dcshabby does.......grocery stores.....see some of the protein per gram prices he was able to obtain "

[Tijuana]

You did a lousy job of putting fake numbers up.

The trick is to support your argument with REAL numbers, not some fake numbers you made up to support yourself, you ignorant woman ;)

I don't know about you, but I don't eat turkey from a can or chicken from a can... I also don't go basement bargain hunting for my meats. I prefer to get, you know.. at least the decent stuff, and the decent stuff costs $$$.

[Tijuana]

Regardless of the ingredients, all powdered carbohydrates are high on the glycemic index because the surface area of a powder is increased compared to a solid/chewed food. This accelerates digestion and will spike insulin. While its not as high GI as WaxyMaize, it is still high.

But yes, you can slow it with olive oil or peanut butter. But it is still faster than optimal.

Not all, it is low on the GI scale and as such, it by itself, probably won't make you go hypoglycaemic.

[Bordello]

I call BS on those prices.

And between bargain basement turkey (by-product) in a can or whey protein supplement, I'll go with the latter.

[Tijuana]

I call BS on those prices.

And between bargain basement turkey (by-product) in a can or whey protein supplement, I'll go with the latter.

Poedua never made you dinner before? You're missing out dude.

http://www.geekologie.com/2009/04/30/canned%20chicken%203.jpg

[Sibica]

She does this all the time. Stirs up sh*t and then disappears.

[HTTP04]

Poedua never made you dinner before? You're missing out dude.

http://www.geekologie.com/2009/04/30/canned%20chicken%203.jpg

That looks absolutely scrumptious!

In all seriousness I never tried canned turkey/chicken before, and after seeing pics of it I dont think I will ever buy them (even if is at the price poedua listed)

[skidragoon]

Don't take it with milk directly after your workout, take it with water. I read so many comments about sugar, ignore them. The only protein shakes with real sugar problems are weight gainers, and if you need that sugar is not a concern anyways. There is not enough for a insulin spike.

[Tijuana]

Don't take it with milk directly after your workout, take it with water. I read so many comments about sugar, ignore them. The only protein shakes with real sugar problems are weight gainers, and if you need that sugar is not a concern anyways. There is not enough for a insulin spike.

Actually, protein alone can cause the required insulin spike.

[Cas77]

That looks absolutely scrumptious!

In all seriousness I never tried canned turkey/chicken before, and after seeing pics of it I dont think I will ever buy them (even if is at the price poedua listed)

Maybe some bargain priced processed chicken would satisfy your protein requirements instead of those evil protein shakes?

http://rsvphealth.com/mechanically-processed-chicken.jpg

[HTTP04]

Maybe some bargain priced processed chicken would satisfy your protein requirements instead of those evil protein shakes?

http://rsvphealth.com/mechanically-processed-chicken.jpg

Oh lord

At first glance I thought it was a skinned snake

[HTTP04]

I found the chicken poedua and dchabby buys:

http://www.eatnineghost.com/wp-content/uploads/rats/rat05.jpg
http://www.eatnineghost.com/wp-content/uploads/rats/rat01.jpg

Really cheap and full of healthy rat protein!