‘I will not back you,’ TTC chief warns trouble-making employees

[DearSummer]

‘I will not back you,’ TTC chief warns trouble-making employees
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toronto/i-will-not-back-you-ttc-chief-warns-trouble-making-employees/article2415822/


The Toronto Transit Commission’s new CEO is warning trouble-making employees he won’t back them when they “wreck all of our reputations” by texting, sleeping or otherwise misbehaving on the job.

In a strongly worded letter to all staff Friday, Andy Byford lamented the harm done to the transit authority’s reputation by a “small minority of staff.”

In the last two weeks, riders with cell phone cameras have captured TTC operators texting, reading a newspaper while driving and parking illegally to grab a snack.

Let's see if the boss dawg sticks to this. The safety violations are the ones that irk me the most. If you are reading a newspaper or texting while driving, you should be fired immediately with cause and receive no severance.

As for the guys that are sleeping, the answer to this is obvious. If you can sleep on the job, your job is probably not necessary. Collectors are pretty much useless. This should all be automated by now.

[flashy_mcflash]

Good for him for not standing behind employees who commit misconduct, unlike some other people (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/amid-cries-of-contempt-harper-backs-bev-oda/article1908960/) we know.

[manmanny]

:lol:even TTC thread is about Harper:facepalm:

[gizmo8]

Now go after the city employees who slack off,rude to the public,milk overtime and generally unfit for the job they are doing....wait that represents %90 of workers of city hall...my bad....

[arclite]

Doesn't matter, union will back them.

[NorthYorker]

I do not envy Byford, likely forced by Team Ford to make such statements, and am predicting that his career with the TTC likely would not be a long and fruitful one. Imagine a Police chef screeching in media about "lazy- ***** donuteaters". Especially if said chief had just been transplanted from another place and have no team of his own within the organization. It would produce tons of goodwill within the organization, would not it? Now, TTC is not that different from cops in terms of "Camaraderie culture".

I'm not saying that violations should go unpunished. By all means, fire the trespassers! But use newspapers to threat your own team is not wise. David Gunn, universally recognized as one of most ruthless TTC bosses in recent memory (he, for example, had a habit of flash inspections at nighttime, and fired violators on the spot), in the same time fought like a bulldog against "outside" meddling.

[manmanny]

Doesn't matter, union will back them.
Correct. You fight union/workers you are going down. Its like in Dalton Kingdom. ;)

[DearSummer]

I do not envy Byford, likely forced by Team Ford to make such statements, and am predicting that his career with the TTC likely would not be a long and fruitful one. Imagine a Police chef screeching in media about "lazy- ***** donuteaters". Especially if said chief had just been transplanted from another place and have no team of his own within the organization. It would produce tons of goodwill within the organization, would not it? Now, TTC is not that different from cops in terms of "Camaraderie culture".

I'm not saying that violations should go unpunished. By all means, fire the trespassers! But use newspapers to threat your own team is not wise. David Gunn, universally recognized as one of most ruthless TTC bosses in recent memory (he, for example, had a habit of flash inspections at nighttime, and fired violators on the spot), in the same time fought like a bulldog against "outside" meddling.

First of all, he is not using the newspaper. He issued a letter to staff. Obviously reporters are going to find out about it and report on it.

Secondly, he very clearly stated that the offending employees are a very small percentage and most employees are great.

[manmanny]

Now go after the city employees who slack off,rude to the public,milk overtime and generally unfit for the job they are doing....wait that represents %90 of workers of city hall...my bad....

LOL. Edit Wikipedia links and put this as a proof before somebody asks for.

[NorthYorker]

He issued a letter to staff.My bad :( I've assumed that he was using G&M :( Sorry.

[flashy_mcflash]

Correct. You fight union/workers you are going down. Its like in Dalton Kingdom. ;)


:lol:even TTC thread is about Dalton :facepalm:

;)

[flashy_mcflash]

First of all, he is not using the newspaper. He issued a letter to staff.

Ho please. You know very well that this was a press release in 'letter to staff' clothing.

[tsat]

I do not envy Byford, likely forced by Team Ford to make such statements, and am predicting that his career with the TTC likely would not be a long and fruitful one. Imagine a Police chef screeching in media about "lazy- ***** donuteaters". Especially if said chief had just been transplanted from another place and have no team of his own within the organization. It would produce tons of goodwill within the organization, would not it? Now, TTC is not that different from cops in terms of "Camaraderie culture".

I'm not saying that violations should go unpunished. By all means, fire the trespassers! But use newspapers to threat your own team is not wise. David Gunn, universally recognized as one of most ruthless TTC bosses in recent memory (he, for example, had a habit of flash inspections at nighttime, and fired violators on the spot), in the same time fought like a bulldog against "outside" meddling.

This was an internal email and wasn't sent to the media... but as with everything else, there's always someone who thinks it needs to be in the papers.

The mayor can't make him do anything and has been proven recently doesn't have sway with the direction the TTC takes. The TTC Chair (Stintz) isn't exactly in robbies good books either.

All he did was say he's not going to protect anyone.

As for the whole union argument...meh. The union is legally required to defend its members, it can't be selective. But if there's legit cause for dismissal i don't really think that they can do anything about it.

It remains to be seen whether he'll walk the walk, but i sure hope so.

[tsat]

Ho please. You know very well that this was a press release in 'letter to staff' clothing.

well if it's going to get leaked to the media anyways than why not dress it that way.

EVERYTHING he sends to employees inadvertently gets sent to the media.

[manmanny]

:lol:even TTC thread is about Harper:facepalm:


Correct. You fight union/workers you are going down. Its like in Dalton Kingdom. ;)



Mission Successful.

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[peanutz]

Most TTC employees are OK. A few I've seen were great. A few were awful, and as for the TTC chief's words, well, they are just words. Show us what "not backing" means.

Having said that, I feel uncomfortable that people are allowed to video-record others and "monitor" them, even if the behaviour they are recording is unacceptable. I can't put my finger on why exactly.

[manmanny]

Most TTC employees are OK. A few I've seen were great. A few were awful, and as for the TTC chief's words, well, they are just words. Show us what "not backing" means.

Having said that, I feel uncomfortable that people are allowed to video-record others and "monitor" them, even if the behaviour they are recording is unacceptable. I can't put my finger on why exactly.

Absolute correct.

[vero95]

that was stupid. how could he say so without negotiating with the unions :facepalm:

[Piro21]

Most TTC employees are OK. A few I've seen were great. A few were awful, and as for the TTC chief's words, well, they are just words. Show us what "not backing" means.

Having said that, I feel uncomfortable that people are allowed to video-record others and "monitor" them, even if the behaviour they are recording is unacceptable. I can't put my finger on why exactly.

You're being recorded by the TTC the second you get near any one of their vehicles. You're in public and the driver has the same lack of privacy that you do, so why not record back?

[_Allan_]

First of all, he is not using the newspaper. He issued a letter to staff. Obviously reporters are going to find out about it and report on it.

Secondly, he very clearly stated that the offending employees are a very small percentage and most employees are great.


My bad :( I've assumed that he was using G&M :( Sorry.


The TTC’s chief spokesman distributed a copy of Mr. Byford’s no-more-nonsense note to reporters.
So, it wasn't Byford, but it was by his order to distribute it.

[NorthYorker]

First of all, he is not using the newspaper.DearSummer, have you read what you posted? Or, to sharpen the question, were you wrong or deliberately lying?

Regardless, this is a good lesson for me. Too often rightwingers are either incapable of reading their own sources or too ready to misinterpret them. I should not rely on a statement from a rightist. And, just to clarify, I consider DearSummer to be one of more intellectual rightists. That's why I believed his statement about Byford not communicating with his underling through media.

[DVDManiac]

Correct. You fight union/workers you are going down. Its like in Dalton Kingdom. ;)

Unions protecting people sleeping on the job...great, time to dissolve the union.

[Show_boat]

Doesn't matter, union will back them.

Exactly, thats what makes his comments comical Byford falls under management it was never his job to back us in the first place Webster didn't back back employees either when they got caught up in foolishness it appears Byford just trying to make an impression with the media




As for the whole union argument...meh. The union is legally required to defend its members, it can't be selective. But if there's legit cause for dismissal i don't really think that they can do anything about it.

Thats what you think





The mayor can't make him do anything and has been proven recently doesn't have sway with the direction the TTC takes. The TTC Chair (Stintz) isn't exactly in robbies good books either.

Ford been pulling the strings behind TTC management from day one he took over this is coming from someone on the inside we've already seen him make an example out of Webster for not falling in line

[DearSummer]

DearSummer, have you read what you posted? Or, to sharpen the question, were you wrong or deliberately lying?

Regardless, this is a good lesson for me. Too often rightwingers are either incapable of reading their own sources or too ready to misinterpret them. I should not rely on a statement from a rightist. And, just to clarify, I consider DearSummer to be one of more intellectual rightists. That's why I believed his statement about Byford not communicating with his underling through media.

I read that he sent the letter to employees. To me, it doesn't make a difference if he also sent it to reporters or not since it would have got to them anyways. He didn't communicate to the employees through the media, the media received the same letter that the employees did. TTC probably did so considering that the media has been beating them up in response to these incidents and they wanted to show that it was being dealt with. It's also best to send it directly to the media so the TTC has control over the message. Media relations 101.

I don't see how this is an issue? I don't even see how his comments can be construed negatively. Would it be negative if a police chief sent a letter to employees and the media that he would not stand behind police officers that were DUIing after a few cops got caught DUIing?

[flashy_mcflash]

I read that he sent the letter to employees. To me, it doesn't make a difference if he also sent it to reporters or not since it would have got to them anyways. He didn't communicate to the employees through the media, the media received the same letter that the employees did.

On orders from the general manager, by way of the chief spokesman. You can't possibly think the chief spokesman released a letter to the media without explicit endorsement and instruction from his or her boss, can you?

[DearSummer]

On orders from the general manager, by way of the chief spokesman. You can't possibly think the chief spokesman released a letter to the media without explicit endorsement and instruction from his or her boss, can you?

I'm not saying that he didn't tell them to send it to reporters...It was a letter sent to employees and also the media.

[NorthYorker]

I'm not saying that he didn't tell them to send it to reporters...It was a letter sent to employees and also the media.So you were deliberately untruthful when you wrote "he is not using the newspaper". Thank you for clarification. As I said, this is a lesson for me more than anything else. Ideologues are not to be trusted, both rightists and leftists, their moral values do allow them to lie with clear conscience.

I'm not saying that he didn't tell them to send it to reporters...It means you lied when you wrote "he is not using the newspaper".

[DearSummer]

So you were deliberately untruthful when you wrote "he is not using the newspaper". Thank you for clarification. As I said, this is a lesson for me more than anything else. Ideologues are not to be trusted, both rightists and leftists, their moral values do allow them to lie with clear conscience.
It means you lied when you wrote "he is not using the newspaper".

If he didn't send it to the newspapers, would they report on it the exact same as they are now? Yes. So what is the difference if he sent it or not?

[NorthYorker]

If he didn't send it to the newspapers, would they report on it the exact same as they are now? It is irrelevant. My comment assumed that he did send it, and you explicitly denied the fact. Look, man, you lied, as simple as that. This is just like saying "I deny that Pol Bernardo killed a person because he actually killed several people". Yes, Byford used newspaper to communicate with his underlings. Yes, you lied about him not doing it. No, he also send the text of his newspaper publication to other TTC employees.

[DearSummer]

It is irrelevant. My comment assumed that he did send it, and you explicitly denied the fact. Look, man, you lied, as simple as that. This is just like saying "I deny that Pol Bernardo killed a person because he actually killed several people". Yes, Byford used newspaper to communicate with his underlings. Yes, you lied about him not doing it. No, he also send the text of his newspaper publication to other TTC employees.

Why would the "underlings" need the newspaper when he sent the letter directly to them? :facepalm:

[NorthYorker]

Why would the "underlings" need the newspaper when he sent the letter directly to them? :facepalm:So, are we discussing your lie or Byford's letter?

[CDNPatriot]

Wow Dearsummer,

this works to how many professions that you don't like and viciously attack and demand their termination!

What really needs to be eliminated are importers like you.


‘I will not back you,’ TTC chief warns trouble-making employees
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toronto/i-will-not-back-you-ttc-chief-warns-trouble-making-employees/article2415822/



Let's see if the boss dawg sticks to this. The safety violations are the ones that irk me the most. If you are reading a newspaper or texting while driving, you should be fired immediately with cause and receive no severance.

As for the guys that are sleeping, the answer to this is obvious. If you can sleep on the job, your job is probably not necessary. Collectors are pretty much useless. This should all be automated by now.

[CDNPatriot]

Good one flashy... I can tell when Dearsummer gets stunned by a good counter post.:lol:


Good for him for not standing behind employees who commit misconduct, unlike some other people (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/amid-cries-of-contempt-harper-backs-bev-oda/article1908960/) we know.

[CDNPatriot]

You see Northyorker, for those that have not run their own real business they do not understand what you just said. They think that the leader of a business can just treat their workers like dogs and talk down about them in public. The problem is, that you now have solidified the solidarity of the workers even more. The employee shutting down the TTC building that notices a leaking pipe will not spend an extra hour to report it and to address it before the long weekend. He will giggle with glee and lock up for the long weekend only to watch Byford take a huge capital loss under his watch. Bus driver's might, oops hit a few curbs by mistake or so they say while damaging buses. They may collectively unite and call in sick more to drive the average up so that they all benefit for extra days off.

You want to bash them in public great. But private sector or public sector they retaliate.

That's why when I have contractors working on my home or business I always treat them with great respect. Free food, free coffee runs to Tim's etc. In the end they do a great job for you.

Much to learn Dearsummer and Mayor Blob Lardship.


I do not envy Byford, likely forced by Team Ford to make such statements, and am predicting that his career with the TTC likely would not be a long and fruitful one. Imagine a Police chef screeching in media about "lazy- ***** donuteaters". Especially if said chief had just been transplanted from another place and have no team of his own within the organization. It would produce tons of goodwill within the organization, would not it? Now, TTC is not that different from cops in terms of "Camaraderie culture".

I'm not saying that violations should go unpunished. By all means, fire the trespassers! But use newspapers to threat your own team is not wise. David Gunn, universally recognized as one of most ruthless TTC bosses in recent memory (he, for example, had a habit of flash inspections at nighttime, and fired violators on the spot), in the same time fought like a bulldog against "outside" meddling.

[CDNPatriot]

The problem with Dearsummer and I think more of us should be writing to RFD about this is that he defames profession after profession. He is blatantly political and has an agenda on here. It's one thing to have an opinion backed by evidence. But it's another to spend day in day out on RFD like it was a religion and only to bash profession after profession. 85 threads on bashing teachers, now TTC workers, it never ends!

On the teacher thread he was smacked right down after posting so many lies of which actual teachers proved were wrong with sources.


DearSummer, have you read what you posted? Or, to sharpen the question, were you wrong or deliberately lying?

Regardless, this is a good lesson for me. Too often rightwingers are either incapable of reading their own sources or too ready to misinterpret them. I should not rely on a statement from a rightist. And, just to clarify, I consider DearSummer to be one of more intellectual rightists. That's why I believed his statement about Byford not communicating with his underling through media.

[manmanny]

Dalton please say you wont back Health Minister after ORNG disaster.