Flaherty takes another swipe at Ontario’s fiscal outlook

[DearSummer]

Flaherty takes another swipe at Ontario’s fiscal outlook
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/flaherty-takes-another-swipe-at-ontarios-fiscal-outlook/article2416550/?utm_medium=Feeds%3A%20RSS%2FAtom&utm_source=Politics&utm_content=2416550


In a meeting with The Globe and Mail’s editorial board, Jim Flaherty questioned the will of Dalton McGuinty’s Liberals to follow through on their plan to eliminate the province’s nearly $15-billion deficit by 2017-18.

“They’ve said this sort of thing before,” he said of the promise to dramatically rein in spending, “and then it hasn’t come to pass.”


His concern appears similar to the ones expressed this week by Moody’s Investors Services and by Standard & Poor’s: that the province’s austerity agenda is too back-loaded and could be hampered by political considerations in the years when the heaviest lifting is supposed to be done. While the agencies cited uncertainty posed by a minority legislature, Mr. Flaherty – who previously served as a provincial minister for the Progressive Conservatives, which is currently the Official Opposition – expressed doubt about the Liberals’ “conviction in seeing it through.”

He was particularly skeptical of the Liberals’ ability to cap health spending increases at just 2.1 per cent annually, which he acknowledged is an aggressively low target.

“One has to be capable of implementing that,” he said. “I think that’s the kind of thing the credit agencies look at. I look at it and say, ‘Is this capable of being accomplished?’ And that’s a question mark.”

I have to agree with Flaherty on this one. Holding healthcare increases at 2.1%? Come on. The budget goes against every single thing the Liberals have done in their previous two terms.

What do you think?

[CDNPatriot]

Looks like Dearsummer is running from the tax and teacher threads after getting owned. Oh no another Dearsummerhitman political thread. Warning the OP will not respond to any evidence you post. He will actually ignore or put words in your mouth.

[vero95]

:arrowu: how is the weather in Havana, comrade CDNPatriot?

[BornRuff]

Realistically, all of DearSummer's posts could fit into two threads. He could have one thread called "I love capitalism" and one called "I hate McGunity".

Instead, he decides to create a new thread every time he finds a news article or youtube video on these subjects.

[vero95]

Realistically, all of DearSummer's posts could fit into two threads. He could have one thread called "I love capitalism" and one called "I hate McGunity".

Instead, he decides to create a new thread every time he finds a news article or youtube video on these subjects.

and your posts could be put in one thread only: "it's what I am saying. you do not need evidence"

[CDNPatriot]

:arrowu: how is the weather in Havana, comrade CDNPatriot?

You have me confused with someone else I don't live nor have I ever been to Havana.

Go play with your toy subways.

[BornRuff]

and your posts could be put in one thread only: "it's what I am saying. you do not need evidence"

Sure, whatever you say, lol.

Have a fun Saturday night.

[will888]

The budget will not be balanced by the target date and in fact another recession will come prior and then deeper into the rut we go. The only difference between a rut and the grave is depth, lol.

There really is nothing to debate here. Dandy Dalton spent good money asking a well recognized economist how to balance the budget. He gets the recommendation and proceeds to ignore the most important parts of it. He was told that the education program has to change. He ignored it. He is trying to slow the growth rate of health care to near inflation. Whether that becomes a success or not is immaterial. Together, health and education make up more than 3/4 of all the spending. That leaves less than 25% for debt payment and everything else. How does that work when debt payments are going to go up due to increasing debt level and natural interest rate increase? Even if all the other departments cease to exist one by one each year, their savings would not even cover the increases in health, education spending and debt servicing. This stupid notion that GDP growth will make debts and deficits shrink doesn't work anymore. If anyone thinks we will enjoy consecutive years of 4-5% growth any time in this decade has probably discovered a new psychedelic drug. Dalton should be stealing shamelessly from the Greek playbook before it gets forced on him.

[Sauerkraut]

Well so far, this thread seems to have the potential of a good viral infection.

Back to the hockey game.

[eldiablo]

Well so far, this thread seems to have the potential of a good viral infection.

Back to the hockey game.


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[DearSummer]

Realistically, all of DearSummer's posts could fit into two threads. He could have one thread called "I love capitalism" and one called "I hate McGunity".

Instead, he decides to create a new thread every time he finds a news article or youtube video on these subjects.

Feel free to not read & respond to my posts if you aren't interested in them.

[DearSummer]

The budget will not be balanced by the target date and in fact another recession will come prior and then deeper into the rut we go. The only difference between a rut and the grave is depth, lol.

There really is nothing to debate here. Dandy Dalton spent good money asking a well recognized economist how to balance the budget. He gets the recommendation and proceeds to ignore the most important parts of it. He was told that the education program has to change. He ignored it. He is trying to slow the growth rate of health care to near inflation. Whether that becomes a success or not is immaterial. Together, health and education make up more than 3/4 of all the spending. That leaves less than 25% for debt payment and everything else. How does that work when debt payments are going to go up due to increasing debt level and natural interest rate increase? Even if all the other departments cease to exist one by one each year, their savings would not even cover the increases in health, education spending and debt servicing. This stupid notion that GDP growth will make debts and deficits shrink doesn't work anymore. If anyone thinks we will enjoy consecutive years of 4-5% growth any time in this decade has probably discovered a new psychedelic drug. Dalton should be stealing shamelessly from the Greek playbook before it gets forced on him.

Agree. Trying to grow out the deficit is a dumb strategy, particularly in Ontario where the economy has been choked by government intervention.

[MrKap]

What do you think?

I think they should turn Health Cards into Credit Cards and start charging.

For at least a few things for starters, anyways.


Then they should legalize marijuana.

[stuntman]

Agree. Trying to grow out the deficit is a dumb strategy, particularly in Ontario where the economy has been choked by government intervention.

You have it all backwards DearSummer.

-The economy has actually been choked out by many things. Many thing that should have been regulated properly.

Middle men need more regulation: There are too many levels and too many of them taking a little slice of the pie by doing something that is effectively repeated many times over for the same product. It is not productive and just a big make work project. They artificially inflate the costs of goods...buying in a more direct mode is more effective.

[DearSummer]

You have it all backwards DearSummer.

-The economy has actually been choked out by many things. Many thing that should have been regulated properly.

Middle men need more regulation: There are too many levels and too many of them taking a little slice of the pie by doing something that is effectively repeated many times over for the same product. It is not productive and just a big make work project. They artificially inflate the costs of goods...buying in a more direct mode is more effective.

So explain what regulations would solve this "problem" you have identified. Let me know what regulations would promote more economic growth in Ontario.

[stuntman]

So explain what regulations would solve this "problem" you have identified. Let me know what regulations would promote more economic growth in Ontario.

I am up for promoting economic growth in my pocket. Not that I or anyone else in Ontario deserve it.....the economy is being globalized.....more people to share the wealth means less money in our pocket. I am not about to go against fairness.

-How about a regulation prevent goods from passing through more than 3 hands before making it to a consumer and limiting the markup for passing on those goods?

-How about one that puts the same restrictions on imported goods as ones that are made here. For example lead content for items are enforced/stricter for those being manufactured here than imported here.

[mysticalinfluence]

Will the Liberals follow through on the budget and eliminate the deifcit by 2017-18? :lol::lol::lol:

[DearSummer]

I am up for promoting economic growth in my pocket. Not that I or anyone else in Ontario deserve it.....the economy is being globalized.....more people to share the wealth means less money in our pocket. I am not about to go against fairness.

-How about a regulation prevent goods from passing through more than 3 hands before making it to a consumer and limiting the markup for passing on those goods?

How would this promote economic growth? It would make supply chains less efficient and hence increase the cost of goods as well as costing taxpayer dollars to enforce.


-How about one that puts the same restrictions on imported goods as ones that are made here. For example lead content for items are enforced/stricter for those being manufactured here than imported here.

This is not true. Post a source that says lead-content regulations are stricter for domestically-produced goods. Further, how would this promote economic growth?

[stuntman]

How would this promote economic growth? It would make supply chains less efficient and hence increase the cost of goods as well as costing taxpayer dollars to enforce.

It would lower the costs of goods and be more efficient....less complicated systems are more efficient.


This is not true. Post a source that says lead-content regulations are stricter for domestically-produced goods. Further, how would this promote economic growth?

There is no enforcement available to our government overseas. So while there are statements that items must not contain X they are not enforced because the inspections and tests are not done.
By enforcing the regulation more goods would have to be manufactured locally (by local I mean NA) where there is better compliance and enforcement. There would also be jobs created for inspectors and testers.

I would gladly trade of make work jobs like distributors for inspectors and testers.

[stuntman]

Will the Liberals follow through on the budget and eliminate the deifcit by 2017-18? :lol::lol::lol:

Liberals, NDP, conservatives.....it would be the same :lol::lol::lol: for any of them. Who is to say if the liberals will even be in power...kind of a dumb question really......

[manmanny]

Feel free to not read & respond to my posts if you aren't interested in them.

LOL. Canadian Bird could not lock your thread so he is angry and other guy is always "We Hate Harper/Harris/Conservative"...Like the bird so no surprise there. Jim should be worried. But Dalton don't care now that he got Witmar. Same like Fantino. Dalton is not worried about deficit or budget or high expenditure.

[transitguy1]

Only the Liberals are capable of getting this country back on track.

The Federal Liberals policies generated surpluses for years and years. The conservatives come and screw it all up while blaming it on Liberals. lol

[stuntman]

What happened to DearSummer? It was a bit off topic but he asked for an example and I gave him one. Did he get KO'd?

[DearSummer]

It would lower the costs of goods and be more efficient....less complicated systems are more efficient.

If this were true, why would businesses not already be doing this? Why would they have a system that costs them more money and makes them less competitive? If there were savings to be had by getting rid of distributors, the businesses would do so because it would earn them more money. Why would you need to regulate this?


There is no enforcement available to our government overseas. So while there are statements that items must not contain X they are not enforced because the inspections and tests are not done.
By enforcing the regulation more goods would have to be manufactured locally (by local I mean NA) where there is better compliance and enforcement. There would also be jobs created for inspectors and testers.

I would gladly trade of make work jobs like distributors for inspectors and testers.

So you want protectionism by restricting foreign imports? So everything becomes more expensive and lower quality which is detrimental to the economy. Further, you're going to remove money from the productive economy by taxing people to pay for inspections which also hurts the economy.

[stuntman]

If this were true, why would businesses not already be doing this? Why would they have a system that costs them more money and makes them less competitive? If there were savings to be had by getting rid of distributors, the businesses would do so because it would earn them more money. Why would you need to regulate this?

The system is setup that way because there are many sticky fingers in the pie. Contracts and sly salesmen.

This needs to be regulated because as you have no doubt been reading in the paper the Canadian consumer is being gouged by distributors keeping the prices artificially high and others that show multiple levels of distributors each taking a cut out of the consumer. Knock it down to 2 levels of distributors + the retailer and that would help out a lot.

About 30% of a goods cost is in manufacturing (including R&D and patents). The rest is fat for marketing, advertising, salesmen AND distributing. Some distributors do squat they got lucky with contracts and do not ad value to the final product......these unrequired distributors are a major pain in the wallet for Canadian consumers.



So you want protectionism by restricting foreign imports? So everything becomes more expensive and lower quality which is detrimental to the economy. Further, you're going to remove money from the productive economy by taxing people to pay for inspections which also hurts the economy.

No. I do not want protectionism. I want foreign goods held to the same standards that the good produced here are. You know this is what I am pointing out but you are trying to cloud it up with BS and call it protectionism.
What I want protected are the consumers of these goods.

Don't worry about taxing people for the money for inspectors.....getting rid of the fat distributors that are inflating prices will more than make up for those costs.

[DearSummer]

The system is setup that way because there are many sticky fingers in the pie. Contracts and sly salesmen.

This needs to be regulated because as you have no doubt been reading in the paper the Canadian consumer is being gouged by distributors keeping the prices artificially high and others that show multiple levels of distributors each taking a cut out of the consumer. Knock it down to 2 levels of distributors + the retailer and that would help out a lot.

About 30% of a goods cost is in manufacturing (including R&D and patents). The rest is fat for marketing, advertising, salesmen AND distributing. Some distributors do squat they got lucky with contracts and do not ad value to the final product......these unrequired distributors are a major pain in the wallet for Canadian consumers.

How do you not understand this? Why would a retailer pay distributors for doing nothing? Why would a manufacturer enlist the services of a distributor for doing nothing? They obviously add value or nobody would pay them. :facepalm:

The reason for higher Canadian prices is government intervention as this article explains (http://www.ctv.ca/generic/generated/static/business/article2412289.html#ixzz1tT0ex0us).


In an interview afterwards, she said Canadian retailers have no choice but to buy from the Canadian distributors of American manufacturers because they are restricted from going into the U.S. and buying there.

She told the senators that other factors also played a role, including import duties as high as 18 per cent, government regulations, transportation costs, and Canada’s protectionist supply management system on eggs, poultry and dairy products.

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No. I do not want protectionism. I want foreign goods held to the same standards that the good produced here are. You know this is what I am pointing out but you are trying to cloud it up with BS and call it protectionism.
What I want protected are the consumers of these goods.

Don't worry about taxing people for the money for inspectors.....getting rid of the fat distributors that are inflating prices will more than make up for those costs.

Foreign goods are held to the same standards. Show some examples of where there are more more restrictions for domestically-produced goods than imports.

[stuntman]

I don't know why I even bother addressing bone heads.

DS....what is society going to do when resources have been exhausted and the environment is filled with trash, toxins, pollutants and super bacteria that your unregulated is good society produces?

Think it will be a good world or bad?

You don't have to care because you and I will be long gone. The measure of a man can be based on how much they care for others even others they have not met (future generations?). If this is the measure of a man, from what I have read you measure on the short side. Very short. You better hope there is no God or that you are currently mentally diminished and can't be held accountable somehow.

[spike1128]

Flaherty are free to go to the shoe store to get another pair of shoes for his own budget. There is no need for him to comment on Ontario's fiscal affair, unless he is willing to help Ontario out of this mess using Federal money.

McGuinty doesn't care if he owes so much money. He is on his 3rd term, so he is on his way out. Nobody in their right minds on their 3rd term will try to do anything but be maintain the status quo. The Ontario debt is to do with the grim outlook of the manufacturing industry because of it's high dollar. Ontario is not Germany, people will not pay a premium on Ontario manufactured good like if it was German goods.

McGuinty also can't control his own minions and they are ravaging Ontario money. Remember eHealth, Ornge, and OLG. I am sure I am forgetting a few more agencies that's plagued with scandals. That's where our money went. Not to mention the world's deadbeat refugees / deadbeat old family class elderly ravaging our health care system in Ontario and BC. There is no wonder why we are in the hole. Too much unproductive useless people in Ontario.

No wonder we are in this mess.

[stuntman]

How do you not understand this? Why would a retailer pay distributors for doing nothing? Why would a manufacturer enlist the services of a distributor for doing nothing? They obviously add value or nobody would pay them. :facepalm:

The reason for higher Canadian prices is government intervention as this article explains (http://www.ctv.ca/generic/generated/static/business/article2412289.html#ixzz1tT0ex0us).

That is A reason. Not the singular reason. Middlemen have been and are continuing to gouge the consumer. Perhaps you are one of those people. I don't know, I heard you do importing. How about demonstrating how you provide value so as to help me believe that you are not just on your rants because of personal reasons.



Foreign goods are held to the same standards. Show some examples of where there are more more restrictions for domestically-produced goods than imports.
Why the hell would I bother following your specific examples on foods? Why would you try to steer it to foods? Is it perhaps because that is a highly regulated industry where it is harder or impossible to find a good example that can stand up to BS arguments? Stop trying to rig the game. Stop trying to cheat. That is what you are doing isn't it? Go try to pull the wool over someone else's eyes. I am not so susceptable to your pathetic attempts at deception.

You are not worth the keystrokes to give you written documents....you are a fanatic: Off the top of my head I will us a US example for dinnerware....it might even apply here. The FDA regulations that state dinnerware can only contain X% of lead only applies to dinnerware made in the US.....it does not apply to dinnerware outside of the US. That dinnerware outside of the US is unregulated.

How about lead in toys. Was Mattel doing the right thing by not testing the toys produced by their manufacturers in China? No. Children got hurt because Mattel was not regulating themselves properly.

How about another RFD thread:http://forums.redflagdeals.com/archive/index.php/t-1161410.html
hey it is support for increased enforcement of regulation!!

You may care what gets imported from abroad but I can guarantee you that there are many bad people out there that don't care. We need regulations to protect us from business like we need regulations to protect us against other crimes. Industry is not all good guys, is it?

[DearSummer]

That is A reason. Not the singular reason. Middlemen have been and are continuing to gouge the consumer. Perhaps you are one of those people. I don't know, I heard you do importing. How about demonstrating how you provide value so as to help me believe that you are not just on your rants because of personal reasons.

I quoted several reasons. Overwhelmingly, the reasons for higher Canadian prices are various forms of government-intervention.

Again, explain why a retailer would pay a distributor money unless they add value? If you were a retailer, why wouldn't you just buy direct from a manufacturer to save money? Conversely, as a manufacturer, why wouldn't you sell directly to retailers? You are asking the government to regulate something that is self-regulated. If business are inefficient, they go bankrupt. There is no need to regulate efficiency because the free market creates an incentive for businesses to be efficient.



Why the hell would I bother following your specific examples on foods? Why would you try to steer it to foods? Is it perhaps because that is a highly regulated industry where it is harder or impossible to find a good example that can stand up to BS arguments? Stop trying to rig the game. Stop trying to cheat. That is what you are doing isn't it? Go try to pull the wool over someone else's eyes. I am not so susceptable to your pathetic attempts at deception.

When did I talk about food? The article I posted used some food prices as examples of protectionism being the reason for the higher prices.


You are not worth the keystrokes to give you written documents....you are a fanatic: Off the top of my head I will us a US example for dinnerware....it might even apply here. The FDA regulations that state dinnerware can only contain X% of lead only applies to dinnerware made in the US.....it does not apply to dinnerware outside of the US. That dinnerware outside of the US is unregulated.

This is not true. The origin of the goods do not determine what % of lead they can have. What a ridiculous assertion. Post a source that proves this. You won't be able to because that is not how safety regulations work.

Also, the FDA does not regulate dinnerware. :facepalm:


How about lead in toys. Was Mattel doing the right thing by not testing the toys produced by their manufacturers in China? No. Children got hurt because Mattel was not regulating themselves properly.

Mattel issued a recall once they discovered the issue. Regulations already exist to prevent this. Obviously it would not be practical to test every product for every possible thing. What would you suggest be done differently in the case of Mattel?


How about another RFD thread:http://forums.redflagdeals.com/archive/index.php/t-1161410.html
hey it is support for increased enforcement of regulation!!

You may care what gets imported from abroad but I can guarantee you that there are many bad people out there that don't care. We need regulations to protect us from business like we need regulations to protect us against other crimes. Industry is not all good guys, is it?

When did I ever say we don't need any regulations? This whole discussion began when you claimed that regulations boost the economy. They do not.

[will888]

I think they should turn Health Cards into Credit Cards and start charging.

For at least a few things for starters, anyways.


Then they should legalize marijuana.

Making people pay some form of deductible for health care would work. Look at the current situation where the province is scoffing at the doctors asking for more money. Well, the doctors merely charge for every patient they see per the fee schedule. So, how can the government arbitrarily cap a fee to doctors when they have no control over who goes to visit the doctor and how many times in a year. This budget balancing thing will prove to be an epic failure. Health care and education will cripple the government by 2017-2018 because these two components alone will exceed tax revenue.

[stuntman]

This is not true. The origin of the goods do not determine what % of lead they can have. What a ridiculous assertion. Post a source that proves this. You won't be able to because that is not how safety regulations work.

Also, the FDA does not regulate dinnerware. :facepalm:

It is the EPA AND yes it is true. It is stupid but true. Imports are not regulated, the EPA only drew up regulations that applied to the US.



Mattel issued a recall once they discovered the issue. Regulations already exist to prevent this. Obviously it would not be practical to test every product for every possible thing. What would you suggest be done differently in the case of Mattel?

Mattel apologized for not doing their due diligence. They were guilty and they owned up to it. If there had been government regulation mandating that they had to do the tests (with oversight) the harm their toys did would most likely have been avoided. How many companies are not doing their due dilligence when it comes to imports? A lot. How many are causing harm to the consumer? A lot.

How about drywall made with toxic materials imported from China? How many homes got that stuff before it was discovered?



When did I ever say we don't need any regulations? This whole discussion began when you claimed that regulations boost the economy. They do not.
I claimed some regulations could boost the economy AND I claimed the consumers could realize increased value for their money by getting rid of the excessive # of middle men.

If we had regulations that held imports to the same standards as domestic goods either the foreign goods would elevate their value or they goods would be produced locally or from a source that did comply. Our goods produced locally have a higher value in many cases and that value would be realized.
Enforcement here is better than it is abroad so industry is getting away with less.

Also regulations require enforcement.....increased enforcement = more jobs. <---pretty simple.


(AND yes you did try to steer the discussion to food
AND yes you make blanket statements like regulation is bad for the economy <--this means all regulation. Start saying some regulations or a specific regulation is bad for the economy.)

[DearSummer]

It is the EPA AND yes it is true. It is stupid but true. Imports are not regulated, the EPA only drew up regulations that applied to the US.

Haha I can't believe that you believe this. So you're saying Mattel didn't do anything illegal when it sold toys covered in lead-paint since they were manufactured in China? :facepalm:


Mattel apologized for not doing their due diligence. They were guilty and they owned up to it. If there had been government regulation mandating that they had to do the tests (with oversight) the harm their toys did would most likely have been avoided. How many companies are not doing their due dilligence when it comes to imports? A lot. How many are causing harm to the consumer? A lot.

How about drywall made with toxic materials imported from China? How many homes got that stuff before it was discovered?

So every product should be tested for every possible dangerous thing? Do you think consumers would mind paying all the extra money it would cost to do this?


I claimed some regulations could boost the economy AND I claimed the consumers could realize increased value for their money by getting rid of the excessive # of middle men.

If we had regulations that held imports to the same standards as domestic goods either the foreign goods would elevate their value or they goods would be produced locally or from a source that did comply. Our goods produced locally have a higher value in many cases and that value would be realized.
Enforcement here is better than it is abroad so industry is getting away with less.

Also regulations require enforcement.....increased enforcement = more jobs. <---pretty simple.


(AND yes you did try to steer the discussion to food)

Your entire premise is false. Whether a product is imported or produced domestically does not change the safety regulations that are applied.

[stuntman]

Haha I can't believe that you believe this. So you're saying Mattel didn't do anything illegal when it sold toys covered in lead-paint since they were manufactured in China? :facepalm:

????That EPA item is for dinnerware....not toys.....pay attention!!!!



So every product should be tested for every possible dangerous thing? Do you think consumers would mind paying all the extra money it would cost to do this?

Stop putting your own stupidity into my statements please.



Your entire premise is false. Whether a product is imported or produced domestically does not change the safety
You can't understand the premise???? You are putting on like my main premise was the content of products. The premise is ENFORCEMENT of items being regulated, how can you not understand that?

The other part is that regulations sometimes do not get applied universally.


You are a disaster DS......how do you ever keep a conversation going with anyone is beyond me......

[Ojam]

dearsummer political thread

[CDNPatriot]

Hard to when you viciously attack every imaginable profession out there with blatant lies and falsehoods and I'm not even going to get into your anti immigration threads. You and your threads should be banned.

Your importing business should be heavily taxed as there is a lot of gravy in your business as you slouch and post on RFD all day.


Feel free to not read & respond to my posts if you aren't interested in them.

[CDNPatriot]

Amen, especially those importers that sit on RFD all day while they export Canadian jobs and bring in dangerous products that kill our children on a daily basis.


You have it all backwards DearSummer.

-The economy has actually been choked out by many things. Many thing that should have been regulated properly.

Middle men need more regulation: There are too many levels and too many of them taking a little slice of the pie by doing something that is effectively repeated many times over for the same product. It is not productive and just a big make work project. They artificially inflate the costs of goods...buying in a more direct mode is more effective.

[BornRuff]

Feel free to not read & respond to my posts if you aren't interested in them.

Having you spamming these boards with all this stuff is annoying. This is about the credit downgrade. It should be in that thread. It is very simple.

Not every one of your thoughts deserves a new thread.

[CDNPatriot]

Easy Dearsummer, you'd be out of a job and the savings from having to pay you to sit on RFD all day while running an importing business will be passed onto the consumer. Very Milton Friedmanish.


How would this promote economic growth? It would make supply chains less efficient and hence increase the cost of goods as well as costing taxpayer dollars to enforce.



This is not true. Post a source that says lead-content regulations are stricter for domestically-produced goods. Further, how would this promote economic growth?

[spike1128]

Hard to when you viciously attack every imaginable profession out there with blatant lies and falsehoods and I'm not even going to get into your anti immigration threads. You and your threads should be banned.

Your importing business should be heavily taxed as there is a lot of gravy in your business as you slouch and post on RFD all day.

Isn't DearSummer part of the middleman pack? They do a lot of work, like sitting in front of spreadsheets all day. Draw up some paper work to release the product from the docks. Calling up people on the phone. Not to mention, posting all day long on RFD forum.

[vero95]

how the hell are you going to eliminate deficit if you are not doing anything to eliminate it :facepalm:
those who answered yes to the poll probably think that one day they wake up and deficit is gone :D

[NorthYorker]

Flaherty takes another swipe at Ontario’s fiscal outlookIn other words, Mr. Flaherty is still bitter about the beating his provincial pals got. After all, most of his career had been spent with Ontario PC, and mere memory of his doings (he had been within "top 5" of Mike Harris's regime) in 1995-2003 was enough to keep McGuinty in power for 3rd time straight...

[Rainne]

Things are only going to get worse, you know. Baby Boomers are retiring, economy is not so great, globalization of wages, our manufacturing industry, etc.

It's funny when you tell the Union all of this and their reaction is, "We don't care."

[vero95]

In other words, Mr. Flaherty is still bitter about the beating his provincial pals got. After all, most of his career had been spent with Ontario PC, and mere memory of his doings (he had been within "top 5" of Mike Harris's regime) in 1995-2003 was enough to keep McGuinty in power for 3rd time straight...

thanks for the feedback
could you tell us what made you vote "yes"?

[manmanny]

Calling importers like DS as baby killer is ridiculous but cant expect any better than the childish posters. If you dont like his threads then don't post in it.

[CDNPatriot]

Baby Boomers retiring will create a huge shortage of workers.

Young people remember these days. Be ready to squeeze your employers in a few years.


Things are only going to get worse, you know. Baby Boomers are retiring, economy is not so great, globalization of wages, our manufacturing industry, etc.

It's funny when you tell the Union all of this and their reaction is, "We don't care."