Expectant Mothers Parking Spot

[ur_funneh]

Today I noticed a guy in his early 20's parking at the "Expectant Mothers" parking spot and had no one with him. Not that I care but got me thinking if it's as illegal as someone who is not handicap parking at a handicap spot?

Any thoughts? Is the Expecting Mothers a courtesy spot? Can anyone do anything about it?

[giggety]

Today I noticed a guy in his early 20's parking at the "Expectant Mothers" parking spot and had no one with him. Not that I care but got me thinking if it's as illegal as someone who is not handicap parking at a handicap spot?

Any thoughts? Is the Expecting Mothers a courtesy spot? Can anyone do anything about it?

Courtesy spot and not illegal to park in one.

[stuntman]

The guy can park there but is a dooooche. The guy is lowering our civility....that being said he could have been picking a pregnant person up, had a handicap sticker coming or was picking someone else up with a disability.

Post in the MOtor Vehicles forum?

[ur_funneh]

The guy can park there but is a dooooche. The guy is lowering our civility....that being said he could have been picking a pregnant person up, had a handicap sticker coming or was picking someone else up with a disability.

Post in the MOtor Vehicles forum?


Thanks for the reply, but I don't think this is a vehicle related question. That's like asking a question about a fast food drive-thru, just because Im using a car to go drive through it does that mean it belongs in the motor vehicle forum?

[junkyardbottles]

My husband used to park in the expectant mother's spot when I, 8 months pregnant, used to go into a store (to go pee? or satisfy a craving? pick up something?).

Either way, it's just a courtesy spot.

[vaportech]

Courtesy spot.

Why you care so much bro?

[stuntman]

Thanks for the reply, but I don't think this is a vehicle related question. That's like asking a question about a fast food drive-thru, just because Im using a car to go drive through it does that mean it belongs in the motor vehicle forum?

It is a parking question and those types of questions are in the Motor Vehicle section...that forum is littered with parking stuff.

But if you are just out to knock a rise out of people then OT is your forum.

[uzbekman]

maybe he was an expecting father? :razz:

[huskylord]

EZ folks, it's a legit topic and it bugs me too when I see those spots abused.

[diggler649]

Reminds me of a time I saw a young white guy who thought he was black, shaved head, driving a beat up Civic with tinted windows, loud muffler, cheap aftermarket wheels pull up into an expectant mother's spot at Loblaws. I was about to chirp at him for parking there, then I noticed a baby seat in the back with a baby.

Two lessons learned here. 1) Don't jump to conclusions. 2) White people pretending to be black have kids at a young age.

[Neovingian]

This is a courtesy spot only offered by malls and plazas, and no fine can be issued for parking in this spot. I checked with a buddy who issues tickets.

If you wanted to get real technical, every woman who's fertile by definition could be an expectant mother.

These spots discriminate against men and against parents who are about to adopt.

[Delroy666]

Reminds me of a time I saw a young white guy who thought he was black

Huh? How do you know he thought he was black? That seems pretty unlikely. Surely he's looked in a mirror at some point.

Any time I see a man park in the "expectant mothers" spot I say "Congratulations on your pregnancy, when are you due?".

[Rainne]

Courtesy spot.

Also, plenty of families w/ kids (not expectant mothers) park at that spot, so tbh, it's a free for all.

[danfromwaterloo]

To the OP, don't expect much support for civility from this forum. I expect most of the responses will be "I don't see a problem with it - it's not against the law" or "Chill bro, not your business".

[Dina_E]

To the OP, don't expect much support for civility from this forum. I expect most of the responses will be "I don't see a problem with it - it's not against the law" or "Chill bro, not your business".

lol lets take yorkdale mall which has these spots as an example.

these spots let you park 30 ft closer so these douches can walk around for 2-3km inside the mall?

[Kingmoo]

how do you know the expecting mother wasn't already in the store?

your best course of action would have been to key the car and then feel really bad when you realized you were wrong.

[googoo]

these spots let you park 30 ft closer so these douches can walk around for 2-3km inside the mall?

That's my point about these spots, fi you are pregnant and you are going shopping, either in a 60 000 to 100 000 SF store or walk 2-3KM inside a mall WHY should you get a closer spot.

What's worse is they tend to be the spots where cars can only park on one side beside a buggy corral, it means I can park close and my car should be safe from most people that can't park or are morons and park like crap by choice.

Brent

[diggler649]

Huh? How do you know he thought he was black? That seems pretty unlikely. Surely he's looked in a mirror at some point.

His hat was on his sideways, his baggy pants were down to his knees and he walked like a beer can came out of his butt sideways.

[danfromwaterloo]

lol lets take yorkdale mall which has these spots as an example.

these spots let you park 30 ft closer so these douches can walk around for 2-3km inside the mall?

Yeah, and down with cripple parking too! And screw holding doors open for people and such. :facepalm:

[hondanation09]

Yeah, and down with cripple parking too! And screw holding doors open for people and such. :facepalm:

had a thread about this as well last year...never knew the spot angered people so much...against expectant mothers no less:face palm:

http://forums.redflagdeals.com/ignorant-people-parking-expectant-mother-mother-small-children-parking-1034387/

[Super strokey]

That's my point about these spots, fi you are pregnant and you are going shopping, either in a 60 000 to 100 000 SF store or walk 2-3KM inside a mall WHY should you get a closer spot.

What's worse is they tend to be the spots where cars can only park on one side beside a buggy corral, it means I can park close and my car should be safe from most people that can't park or are morons and park like crap by choice.

Brent

It has nothing to do with the distance. These spots are supposed to be about easy access and not having to worry about going through a parking lot with a load of kids.

[longitude]

This is Toronto.

[jason9945]

Whats RFD's opinion on parking in the Electric Vehicle spots at Ikea? I don't think I've ever seen them used.

[longitude]

Whats RFD's opinion on parking in the Electric Vehicle spots at Ikea? I don't think I've ever seen them used.

Also spots for hybrid cars.....

I use them.

[uber_shnitz]

I've never even herd of such a thing lol...

Back when people I knew were pregnant, they usually didn't drive themselves anyways so their "driver"(usually their bf/spouse) would drop them off at the door of the store and pick them at the door. At least that's my experience with it. I can see how it'd be something nice, but hardly something really necessary.

[Sylvestre]

meh. common courtesy really. You'll get a large majority of the population who understands the concept and a small percentage who are selfish and use them without regard.

It something this irrelevant actually bothers someone, I'd say that person has bigger issues to deal with.

[15-20_God]

pretty much the same concept as giving up your seat to an expectant mother. A small courtesy to make someone's life a little bit easier.

[Kingmoo]

pretty much the same concept as giving up your seat to an expectant mother. A small courtesy to make someone's life a little bit easier.

if you've ever been on public transit you would know that people don't do this. People pretend not to notice the woman standing there with a gigantic bulging belly...

so sad

[eudaii]

i park in this spot all the time..it's not regulated

[danfromwaterloo]

pretty much the same concept as giving up your seat to an expectant mother. A small courtesy to make someone's life a little bit easier.

RFD View: "She chose to get pregnant, she can stand like the rest of us."

[nhui06]

Hey, if the lot is full and there are like 5 empty pregnancy spots, why not take 1 of them; what are the odds 4 other pregnant ladies show up in the 15-30 mins Im in the mall...

[sandikosh]

Reminds me of a time I saw a young white guy who thought he was black, shaved head, driving a beat up Civic with tinted windows, loud muffler, cheap aftermarket wheels pull up into an expectant mother's spot at Loblaws. I was about to chirp at him for parking there, then I noticed a baby seat in the back with a baby.

Two lessons learned here. 1) Don't jump to conclusions. 2) White people pretending to be black have kids at a young age.

Racist statement! All races have people having kids at a young age! Mods lock thread. Now!

[Kris81]

Courtesy spot and not illegal to park in one.

+1

if i'm in a rush i'll take the spot. They should just let those women park in the handicap spot if we're going to treat them as such.

[googoo]

It has nothing to do with the distance. These spots are supposed to be about easy access and not having to worry about going through a parking lot with a load of kids.

IF you have young children THEN I am all for it!

[huskylord]

Agree with the young children, also if you're handicapped and those are all full.
The rest is pretty sad.

[Kris81]

Why don't these parking spots just read "Parking for Women who are pregnant/children: Treating you special because there are only billions of others like you in the world today"

[Mr980x]

Why don't these parking spots just read "Parking for Women who are pregnant/children: Treating you special because there are only billions of others like you in the world today"



If you ever have a pregnant wife or girlfriend I wonder how happy your going to feel when she tells you she has to walk across the whole mall parking lot because of some A-hole who wouldnt have the decency to not park there.

Pregnant women dont want to sit at home. They do like going out and shopping for there babies its part of the experience but judging by the immaturity I doubt any of you guys even have a women of your own.

Put it this way you sorry excuses for men, since when was it a law to give up your seat on the bus or mall bench to a pregnant woman?

but tell me you wouldnt let them have it if they needed it especially in front of a bus load of people.

The only reason these idiots act like its nuthing is because there is no one to make them feel guilty. If the 6ft4 240 father of the baby was there AND a crowd of people I BET you wouldnt take it.

[Powder + park raider]

next time people park where they are not supposed to might just find their cars keyed, windows smashed. haha

[Powder + park raider]

Courtesy spot and not illegal to park in one.

also not illegal to be a Dbag, so it must be ok to be one.

[Powder + park raider]

if you've ever been on public transit you would know that people don't do this. People pretend not to notice the woman standing there with a gigantic bulging belly...

sometimes it's hard to tell if she's obese or preggers. if obviously obese she can stand and lose some calories. lol

[Kingmoo]

also not illegal to be a Dbag, so it must be ok to be one.

+1

this thread is a magnet for rfd Dbags

[TomTheCanuck]

Kinda off-topic on this off-topic thread, but the rules for handicapped parking are kind of ridiculous as well. In Markham, if there is no permanent pole with a handicapped sign on it next to the spot, it's not enforceable. So a sign in a piece of movable concrete base -> not enforceable. Painted on the asphalt? Not enforceable. You wouldn't believe how many drivers abuse this spot at a local school here - and the town/police can't do anything about it because it's not a permanent embedded-into-the-pavement sign. What makes matters worse - the school is unwilling to update the spots to meet the bylaw. You can't win! I feel badly for the disabled people that get impacted by this..

[Kris81]

If you ever have a pregnant wife or girlfriend I wonder how happy your going to feel when she tells you she has to walk across the whole mall parking lot because of some A-hole who wouldnt have the decency to not park there.

Pregnant women dont want to sit at home. They do like going out and shopping for there babies its part of the experience but judging by the immaturity I doubt any of you guys even have a women of your own.

Put it this way you sorry excuses for men, since when was it a law to give up your seat on the bus or mall bench to a pregnant woman?

but tell me you wouldnt let them have it if they needed it especially in front of a bus load of people.

The only reason these idiots act like its nuthing is because there is no one to make them feel guilty. If the 6ft4 240 father of the baby was there AND a crowd of people I BET you wouldnt take it.


So let me get this straight:

I'm a ***** because I don't think we should have special parking spots for women with children/pregnant to park CLOSER to the mall, so they can go in there and WALK AROUND for a few hours?


Like I said, I don't use it normally.. I'm usually one of those people who will park at the first spot I see, close or far... The only time i've ever parked in those spots is when i'm running in & out to get something, and i'll be a couple minutes.

[Kris81]

If a person is a dbag for taking those parking spots, isn't a person also a dbag for pulling their car up to the store entrance & waiting there for someone to come out & pick them up? Not only is it an inconvenience to the other drivers in the parking lot, but it's a bigger safety hazard for the mothers with children who have to work to the store. None of you people have ever done that?

[Abel4Life]

This is nothing. Let it go.

But if its those *********s that park their car to take up two spots on purpose then thats a different issue altogether.

[Mr980x]

If a person is a dbag for taking those parking spots, isn't a person also a dbag for pulling their car up to the store entrance & waiting there for someone to come out & pick them up? Not only is it an inconvenience to the other drivers in the parking lot, but it's a bigger safety hazard for the mothers with children who have to work to the store. None of you people have ever done that?




Thats a good point and I will give you that. But that doesnt excuse your mentality. So because other people do rude things your will to? How old are you? That sounds like a 10 year old's response. Not trying to be rude but come on.


See I can see both sides of the argument about parking infront and blocking traffic and yes it does cause danger to other people but it does help your own family since they dont have to cross that very same situation. Not right but at least its not totally selffish.

But taking that spot away from a woman who could really benefit from it health wise so you a fit man can take a few less steps for the fun of it sounds like a petty d-bag move. Totally selfish.

I think you know that.

[longitude]

This is a courtesy spot only offered by malls and plazas, and no fine can be issued for parking in this spot. I checked with a buddy who issues tickets.

If you wanted to get real technical, every woman who's fertile by definition could be an expectant mother.

These spots discriminate against men and against parents who are about to adopt.

those spots are for expectant mothers and/or family with kids.

so couples who adopt are included.

[longitude]

Courtesy spot and not illegal to park in one.

non omne quod licit honestum est.

[Mr980x]

So let me get this straight:

I'm a ***** because I don't think we should have special parking spots for women with children/pregnant to park CLOSER to the mall, so they can go in there and WALK AROUND for a few hours?


Like I said, I don't use it normally.. I'm usually one of those people who will park at the first spot I see, close or far... The only time i've ever parked in those spots is when i'm running in & out to get something, and i'll be a couple minutes.



So your a mind reader and YOU know what they are going in there for? You dont think maybe they are going in to do the same as you? Even if they are walking around so what? Dont they kinda deserve it more than you and me?

Your telling me you cant walk the extra 40 secs to walk to the entrance from a further parking spot that it would take that same women much much longer to walk the same distance as well as the added stress?

I doesnt matter if you said you personally used it yourself only a few times. How do you know that wasnt a big deal to someone else?

The fact you seem to support the idea that since it isnt a bylaw that it is okay to ignore the fact the store put it there to be socially and morally responsible? So according to your train of thought we need laws for everything so people can be a gentleman? Like I said what about when the situation applies to your wife? Arent you going to be steamed? Please tell me your going to tell her its not a big deal and to suck it up.

[stuntman]

parking spots discriminate against people with bikes

[ishfish]

parking spots discriminate against people with bikes

You can park a bike in a parking stall. Oh, it won't be there long, but you can do it.

[Mattones]

I know a fellow who always parks in them Hybird parking spots with his dually truck. He says he gets looks but its not illegal. Crazy SOB as I wouldnt dare do it haha

[bobbings]

maybe he was an expecting father? :razz:

And it's so tough for an expectant father to park a little further down and walk a few more steps. lol

[Kris81]

So your a mind reader and YOU know what they are going in there for? You dont think maybe they are going in to do the same as you? Even if they are walking around so what? Dont they kinda deserve it more than you and me?

Your telling me you cant walk the extra 40 secs to walk to the entrance from a further parking spot that it would take that same women much much longer to walk the same distance as well as the added stress?

I doesnt matter if you said you personally used it yourself only a few times. How do you know that wasnt a big deal to someone else?

The fact you seem to support the idea that since it isnt a bylaw that it is okay to ignore the fact the store put it there to be socially and morally responsible? So according to your train of thought we need laws for everything so people can be a gentleman? Like I said what about when the situation applies to your wife? Arent you going to be steamed? Please tell me your going to tell her its not a big deal and to suck it up.

Again, I could careless either way. if I see that spot open, and 50 other spots open, obviously I take the other spots. But it is there as a COURTESY, like you said it's not a bylaw. It's also courteous to give your seat at a bus stop/on the bus/anywhere with a chair to a woman, anyone older than you, children, disabled people, but it's not mandatory.

As for your last sentence, I would hope my wife isn't that big of an attention ho, where she would come home & ***** to me about someone parking in that parking spot. I see women like that all over my facebook wall, complaining about the stupidest little things.

[Kris81]

Thats a good point and I will give you that. But that doesnt excuse your mentality. So because other people do rude things your will to? How old are you? That sounds like a 10 year old's response. Not trying to be rude but come on.


See I can see both sides of the argument about parking infront and blocking traffic and yes it does cause danger to other people but it does help your own family since they dont have to cross that very same situation. Not right but at least its not totally selffish.

But taking that spot away from a woman who could really benefit from it health wise so you a fit man can take a few less steps for the fun of it sounds like a petty d-bag move. Totally selfish.

I think you know that.


I really don't get how a woman can benefit from the spot being closer for health reasons. If it really is a health issue, they wouldn't be there in the first place, like I said earlier.

[stuntman]

parking spots discriminate against people with bikes


You can park a bike in a parking stall. Oh, it won't be there long, but you can do it.

parking spots discriminate against those that take the bus

[stuntman]

I really don't get how a woman can benefit from the spot being closer for health reasons. If it really is a health issue, they wouldn't be there in the first place, like I said earlier.

Near the end of term walking a lot can induce labor......not always a good thing.

[Kris81]

I seriously don't get why this is such a big deal for everyone. It's just a stupid parking spot. What happens if you have your signal on in a regular parking spot waiting for someone to back out, and you see a car in front of you wanting the same spot, and it's a woman with a car full of kids? Do you give the spot up for them?


Maybe I have this view because most of the women in my family who have kids, don't make a big deal about this stuff. To be honest, my cousins who have recently had babies actually park FURTHER so they get more excersize.

[Kris81]

Near the end of term walking a lot can induce labor......not always a good thing.

Again I ask, if it can induce labour, for health reasons shouldn't the woman NOT be going to the mall in the first place, since there is a lot of walking involved? From the few malls i've seen these spots in, they are located near a general main entrance. Markville has them right near the food court & the gym. Hypothetically say a pregnant woman who is close to term needs to go to Markville for some birth things from Shoppers, why would she park in that spot, since she's got a good 10 minute walk once you get in the mall?

[Kris81]

On this topic, funny story (for me) and maybe the reason I feel I should comment so much.

I actually went by Markville once to exchange some money at that kiosk thing that has currency from all over the world (right by the food court). I was in a rush so I had parked in that spot, got out of my car & started walking quickly towards the entrance. This lady behind me honks & starts yelling at me to move my car because that's a spot for someone like her. She was the only one in the car so I asked her "if i'm not supposed to be using it, why would you be, you don't have kids?" Her answer was "oh, well I do have kids but they're at home".

LOL

[stuntman]

Again I ask, if it can induce labour, for health reasons shouldn't the woman NOT be going to the mall in the first place, since there is a lot of walking involved? From the few malls i've seen these spots in, they are located near a general main entrance. Markville has them right near the food court & the gym. Hypothetically say a pregnant woman who is close to term needs to go to Markville for some birth things from Shoppers, why would she park in that spot, since she's got a good 10 minute walk once you get in the mall?

They have them 20 feet from the main doors at my local grocery store.

Other scenarios:
-new baby + stroller +cars +maybe snow or rain....

It is a common courtesy and in many cases common sense to have the spots.
Stop squawking and suck it up. Are you legs broken? No? Put them to use.

[Kris81]

I guess you all feel that if you're at the gym in the middle of a set, and a new mother shows up & is waiting to use the machine after you, you should immediately get up and give it to them and wait yourself, because it's courtesy right?

What if you're at the local grocery store with a cart full of items, and a mother with 3 kids and 2 shopping carts pulls up behind you. Do you move and let them check out first?

You're at a public place and there are only portapotties, and MASSIVE lines, and as you head to the front of the line waiting to go in next, you notice a new mother holding her baby in another line.. You move & let her go in first, just because?

[Kris81]

They have them 20 feet from the main doors at my local grocery store.

Other scenarios:
-new baby + stroller +cars +maybe snow or rain....

It is a common courtesy and in many cases common sense to have the spots.
Stop squawking and suck it up. Are you legs broken? No? Put them to use.

Are her legs broken? no. Why don't you stop squawking and read my whole post instead of just picking words here or there. Did I say I use them regularly? No. did I say i've used them in the past at malls when I have to run in and get something quickly? Yes. I bet you're one of those people married to a woman who had this happen to her once 6 months ago, and it's still a daily facebook status for her to complain about.


probably. Maybe you should tell her to stop squawking.

[stuntman]

I guess you all feel that if you're at the gym in the middle of a set, and a new mother shows up & is waiting to use the machine after you, you should immediately get up and give it to them and wait yourself, because it's courtesy right?


wow...that is a really dumb argument you got there. Was it on sale somewhere?


What if you're at the local grocery store with a cart full of items, and a mother with 3 kids and 2 shopping carts pulls up behind you. Do you move and let them check out first?

lol....hardly the same thing....almost as dumb as your gym scenario.



You're at a public place and there are only portapotties, and MASSIVE lines, and as you head to the front of the line waiting to go in next, you notice a new mother holding her baby in another line.. You move & let her go in first, just because?

Maybe depends on how her situation looks... and if it was a very pregnant woman...yes I would. They have to go pee a lot and they have less control.

[stuntman]

Are her legs broken? no. Why don't you stop squawking and read my whole post instead of just picking words here or there. Did I say I use them regularly? No. did I say i've used them in the past at malls when I have to run in and get something quickly? Yes. I bet you're one of those people married to a woman who had this happen to her once 6 months ago, and it's still a daily facebook status for her to complain about.


probably. Maybe you should tell her to stop squawking.

Actually my wife never used one....not even when pregnant.

You sound like a lazy spoiled and selfish piece of work. Good luck with that personality and character of yours; you are going to need it. if you are a man be a man and not a sniveling weasel.

[Kris81]

lol....hardly the same thing....almost as dumb as your gym scenario.



Hardly the same thing? Why, because it might cost you time? It's the same situation, just more of an inconvenience to you. I guess pregnant women & new mothers think of you just as poorly as they think of me.

[Kris81]

Actually my wife never used one....not even when pregnant.

You sound like a lazy spoiled and selfish piece of work. Good luck with that personality and character of yours; you are going to need it. if you are a man be a man not a weasel.

No, I sound like a person who treats everyone equally, regardless of race, age, weight, gender. I think everyone is equal. I don't look down or up to someone just because of how they were born & what they can't control. Women, immigrants, old people have fought for years to have equal rights when it comes to everything, and I treat them all equally. No better, no worse than I treat any 20something man.

[stuntman]

You are Archie Bunker...congratulations!

If you don't recognize that there are weaker people in the world that could do with a little courtesy to get by then your brain or world is very small.

[ishfish]

parking spots discriminate against those that take the bus

Really they discriminate against people who use busses and those who walk... so much for going green.

But what is behind it? Cars and vans can carry more loot and hence those are the spenders driving them.

[stuntman]

Really they discriminate against people who use busses and those who walk... so much for going green.

But what is behind it? Cars and vans can carry more loot and hence those are the spenders driving them.

You are right....the bus takers are screwed. So are the cyclists. :cry:Damn the man.

[Mr980x]

You are Archie Bunker...congratulations!

If you don't recognize that there are weaker people in the world that could do with a little courtesy to get by then your brain or world is very small.

Kris is trying to find any excuse as to why he needs to act like a douche.

Its quite funny to read from someone who supposedly doesnt care about the subject be so one-sided :facepalm:


It actually makes a big difference so walk closer not to mention the fact the move slower closer to term and the fact the must carry items farther.

And I would love for you to tell your pregnant wife off for complaining about it. Chances are with the way you act you wont even have to worry about it since you wont even get a wife.

But your right. No law who cares. Im sure we can all see where that is headed.

[Mr980x]

No, I sound like a person who treats everyone equally, regardless of race, age, weight, gender. I think everyone is equal. I don't look down or up to someone just because of how they were born & what they can't control. Women, immigrants, old people have fought for years to have equal rights when it comes to everything, and I treat them all equally. No better, no worse than I treat any 20something man.



Since when did men have to carry around large babies in their bellies? LOL now your just getting entertaining. Cant wait to hear the next pathetic reason. Now I see why people think men are jerks.

Women take one for the team when having kids to keep society going. You wont even give them credit for it and a little consideration?


Mommy must really be proud LOL.

[MaximDude]

Since when did men have to carry around large babies in their bellies? LOL now your just getting entertaining. Cant wait to hear the next pathetic reason. Now I see why people think men are jerks.

Women take one for the team when having kids to keep society going. You wont even give them credit for it and a little consideration?


Mommy must really be proud LOL.

I'm curious as to how women are 'taking one for the team' by having a kid when usually its because THEY want one for THEMSELVES and not the good of society?

Also there's already too many people on the planet so its not like we're going extinct anytime soon. :confused:

[Mr980x]

I'm curious as to how women are 'taking one for the team' by having a kid when usually its because THEY want one for THEMSELVES and not the good of society?

Also there's already too many people on the planet so its not like we're going extinct anytime soon. :confused:



First of all wanting one for themselves isnt the point here. Its the fact they must carry our future in their wombs and no one else does. They are helping expand the population which we here in Canada believe it or not desperately need according to the census as baby boomers are retiring and dying.The do the hard part for us. I think that deserves some consideration no?

Second may be too many people but I think thats mostly Chinas and Indias fault no? You know since HALF the worlds population is based there. That doesnt apply here. Nice try tho.

The point is that women do all the work for us to be able to reproduce and I think we should give them consideration over normal able bodied people(man or woman).

Just like permanently handicapped and temporary handicapped (Broken legs and such) get permits to do so.They are not as able bodied as we are.


You guys really that dense?

[LordAnubis]

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[stuntman]

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[aaronl3e7]

Today I noticed a guy in his early 20's parking at the "Expectant Mothers" parking spot and had no one with him. Not that I care but got me thinking if it's as illegal as someone who is not handicap parking at a handicap spot?

Any thoughts? Is the Expecting Mothers a courtesy spot? Can anyone do anything about it?

Maybe he was picking up his pregnant wife from the store.
LOL, I know girls who park in these spots all the time.
Anyways, this is a non-issue to me, I park as far away as possible especially at Asian grocery stores ;)

[VonnSh]

lol lets take yorkdale mall which has these spots as an example.

these spots let you park 30 ft closer so these douches can walk around for 2-3km inside the mall?

+1

[LordAnubis]

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[kindred_99]

I have never been a fan of these spaces and like carpool lanes on highways they often end up being wasted and not used much of the time. Disabled parking is a bit different as we are dealing with someone deemed unable to walk but that whole system needs to be overhauled, perhaps using current technology to make sure they aren't being misused. I can't tell you how many times I have seen someone park in a disabled spot (with either a plate or sticker) and actually run into the mall/building. As for the mommy parking its an annoyance more than anything. I have the utmost respect for women and the fact that they carry children but like anything else these things get abused by idiots and they ruin it for everyone else. I don't begrudge an 8 month old pregnant woman getting to park a bit closer to an entrance if its a doctor's office or even a drug store but if you're going to walk around a mall or go for a run at the gym it doesn't seem right. As a guy I wouldn't dare park in one out of fear of having my car keyed by someone but in the middle of December when you're driving around looking for a parking spot at a mall and these spots are either empty or someone who is clearly not extremely pregnant pulls in to one while you drive around like a sucker 'following the rules' it can be aggravating. Don't even get me started on people that park in front of stores or banks where there are clearly not parking spots blocking traffic for those of us that don't park illegally. If they can give out temporary disabled parking permits why can't they give out similar ones for women in the latter stages of their pregnancy. Once you have the child I don't see a need to park right up front. Everyone has strollers now and there is no longer an excuse. Lets be fair as much as possible. Many large malls now have valet parking, why not offer that free for expectant mothers?

[uber_shnitz]

It's called common courtesy (hence the term "courtesy spot"), idk why we're arguing over this?

To be honest though I don't see the point if there's no enforcement. At least on the courtesy seats in public transit there's "social enforcement" aka people will immediately see you not yielding the spot (and sometimes disapprove) and in some cases, someone (usually the driver, but I've seen passengers do it) will call it out. For a parking spot, there isn't really a way to enforce it to begin with...

[stuntman]

It's called common courtesy (hence the term "courtesy spot"), idk why we're arguing over this?

To be honest though I don't see the point if there's no enforcement. At least on the courtesy seats in public transit there's "social enforcement" aka people will immediately see you not yielding the spot (and sometimes disapprove) and in some cases, someone (usually the driver, but I've seen passengers do it) will call it out. For a parking spot, there isn't really a way to enforce it to begin with...

"dooch" is a form of enforcement.
Only a dooooch would take that spot if they did not qualify for it. Yes, women can be dooches too however the doochiest are seem to men between the ages of 25-35 (not a reflection on MOST 25-35 yr olds)......I guess it is a stage of aging.

[stuntman]

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[longitude]

lol lets take yorkdale mall which has these spots as an example.

these spots let you park 30 ft closer so these douches can walk around for 2-3km inside the mall?

fail fail fail.

three words: winter, rain and winds.

[Ziggy007]

I don't understand why these "expecting mom" parking spots exist at all. If a girl makes a conscious decision to get pregnant, that is her problem, not mine. Why should I have to walk farther because she got preggo? She could probably use the extra walking anyway.

What I think they should do is have special spots specifically for girls that have been sexually assaulted. As long as the parking spot is clearly marked as such I can be fine with it. I can feel bad for them because they didn't make the conscious decision to get pregnant, they are just carrying the child of some jerk criminal.

[diggler649]

I don't understand why these "expecting mom" parking spots exist at all. If a girl makes a conscious decision to get pregnant, that is her problem, not mine. Why should I have to walk farther because she got preggo? She could probably use the extra walking anyway.

What I think they should do is have special spots specifically for girls that have been sexually assaulted.As long as the parking spot is clearly marked as such I can be fine with it. I can feel bad for them because they didn't make the conscious decision to get pregnant, they are just carrying the child of some jerk criminal.

WTF? :facepalm:

This is more trollish than a Shrek movie in 4D times 10 billion.

[ishfish]

fail fail fail.

three words: winter, rain and winds.

And if you have a number of small children, the less time in a parking lot the safer for all.

Not to mention those with wider parking are a great help with getting a junior in and out of a stroller, lifting a baby carrier...

[savermom84]

As someone with two small children, I can concur with some posters on here. I really did not see the point of having a closer spot when I was pregnant. If I was well enough to go walk around a mall, I could take a few extra steps in a parking lot. However, I definitely utilize the parking spots now. The spots are generally wider to allow me to open up my car doors and take my kids out of their carseats without worrying about hitting someone else's car. And as others have said, parking lots are dangerous places. So the less time I have to spend walking through them pushing a stroller and guiding a preschooler, the better.

Also, I think malls and stores offer these spots because mothers with small children, presumably on maternity leave or stay at home mothers, are a HUGE demographic that provide business during the day. Ever gone to a mall at 11am? You would be hard pressed not to find someone pushing a baby carriage. That's why you also see things like breastfeeding/nursing rooms being set up in the malls now. If mothers with small children can go to the mall comfortably and spend more time there, they will spend more money. That's what it all comes down to. So don't expect these parking spots to go anywhere any time soon.

[longitude]

zing!

[Kingmoo]

What I think they should do is have special spots specifically for girls that have been sexually assaulted. As long as the parking spot is clearly marked as such I can be fine with it. I can feel bad for them because they didn't make the conscious decision to get pregnant, they are just carrying the child of some jerk criminal.

omg. :facepalm:

some people...

[coltsmild]

saw this thread and it reminded me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDZzl9AyXeg

[longitude]

WTF? :facepalm:

This is more trollish than a Shrek movie in 4D times 10 billion.

What's the problem with Shrek?

[ishfish]

What's the problem with Shrek?

I thought he was an ogre, not a troll.

[mrperfect]

Its just not worth chasing around people like this, if we set out to right the world, there is just too many of them. I know how you feel, it boils my blood too when I see people twisting or taking advantage of the system but unfortunately there is only so much you can do. Just dont let it get to you, dont ruin your day over these idiots.

[Ziggy007]

omg. :facepalm:

some people...

If you think women that have been sexually assaulted should have to walk from a regular parking spot with their illegitimate child you are one cold person.

That baby will already be born without a father all of its life, you may as well give the mom a decent parking spot.

[danfromwaterloo]

If you think women that have been sexually assaulted should have to walk from a regular parking spot with their illegitimate child you are one cold person.

That baby will already be born without a father all of its life, you may as well give the mom a decent parking spot.

See, it's thoughts like this that make me wonder about the fate of humanity. Although, your thought does have a bit of merit in that it will ensure that this woman doesn't get sexually assaulted again - at least in a parking lot.

[Mr980x]

I don't understand why these "expecting mom" parking spots exist at all. If a girl makes a conscious decision to get pregnant, that is her problem, not mine. Why should I have to walk farther because she got preggo? She could probably use the extra walking anyway.

What I think they should do is have special spots specifically for girls that have been sexually assaulted. As long as the parking spot is clearly marked as such I can be fine with it. I can feel bad for them because they didn't make the conscious decision to get pregnant, they are just carrying the child of some jerk criminal.



Yes extra walking helps them so much right doctor?

You must be one of the ignorant and dumbest people ever born. Its not your problem if they got pregnent but thats not the point is it. The point is they store felt they deserved the spot so reserved it for them and dumbasses like you decided to not respect that. You think thats okay? The STORE and MALL made that spot for them so RESPECT someones rules on THEIR property.

I hope to god my kids have better people around in thier lives as they get older than the garbage we have here.

[stuntman]

Yes extra walking helps them so much right doctor?

You must be one of the ignorant and dumbest people ever born. Its not your problem if they got pregnent but thats not the point is it. The point is they store felt they deserved the spot so reserved it for them and dumbasses like you decided to not respect that. You think thats okay? The STORE and MALL made that spot for them so RESPECT someones rules on THEIR property.

I hope to god my kids have better people around in thier lives as they get older than the garbage we have here.

With a 100% certainty Ziggy was trolling.....it is so obvious in fact it makes me wonder if your response is trolling....
Ziggy is not serious.

[Mr980x]

With a 100% certainty Ziggy was trolling.....it is so obvious in fact it makes me wonder if your response is trolling....
Ziggy is not serious.



Have you bothered to read his other posts? How about the one about obama not being born in the US. If the guy is a "birther" your telling me he isnt likely a really ignorant person who actually believes his own filth?


Yes my response is trolling.....:|

[uber_shnitz]

"dooch" is a form of enforcement.
Only a dooooch would take that spot if they did not qualify for it. Yes, women can be dooches too however the doochiest are seem to men between the ages of 25-35 (not a reflection on MOST 25-35 yr olds)......I guess it is a stage of aging.

Well my point is it's a semi-useless implementation if there isn't any way of enforcing it. You'd never know if a 3 week old woman was pregnant ("expecting ") or not and it's not like anyone is going to go ask so really any woman could park in that spot and you'd never be the wiser. Same for a guy who could be picking up a woman.

Take courtesy seats on the bus again. You CAN sit in them if nobody requiring them is on the bus, however if someone who would need it (pregnant women, elderly, or injured) comes on the bus you yield them the seat (or they can ask). That's the principle. Unlike this parking thing, the principle is to YIELD it when necessary, not to avoid the seat altogether. This parking spot thing however isn't well defined as to whether you avoid the spot or not....cause really, if a pregnant mother arrives at the parking and you're using the spot, you can't exactly yield the spot if you're inside...so is the point to avoid the spot altogether? If so, it's a poor implementation if that's what the "system" is supposed to be...

See I get the concept, I just don't see how it can be applied, especially when people are using the analogy of the courtesy seats on the bus/subway which has subtle but key differences.

I'm trying to understand as we don't have this kind of thing here.

[Mr980x]

Well my point is it's a semi-useless implementation if there isn't any way of enforcing it. You'd never know if a 3 week old woman was pregnant ("expecting ") or not and it's not like anyone is going to go ask so really any woman could park in that spot and you'd never be the wiser. Same for a guy who could be picking up a woman.

Take courtesy seats on the bus again. You CAN sit in them if nobody requiring them is on the bus, however if someone who would need it (pregnant women, elderly, or injured) comes on the bus you yield them the seat (or they can ask). That's the principle. Unlike this parking thing, the principle is to YIELD it when necessary, not to avoid the seat altogether. This parking spot thing however isn't well defined as to whether you avoid the spot or not..cause really, if a pregnant mother arrives at the parking, you can't exactly yield the spot if you're inside...so is the point to avoid the spot altogether?

See I get the concept, I just don't see how it can be applied, especially when people are using the analogy of the courtesy seats on the bus/subway which has subtle but key differences.



I was referring to the moral principle of it. Those are the key things. I do see your point tho. Very easy to be abused and is a douche magnet so to speak. The bus does have a sign stating that passengers should move to the back and allow elderly and pregnant women to sit there. We have them here in Burlington and also in Hamilton when I lived there.

I think the biggest point is you shouldnt concern yourself with the abuse of the spot and be more concerned about you knowing your not entitled to it and doing whats right and not joining in. The property owner has asked people to not use the spot if they dont meet the requirement. is it so hard for someone to respect that? If more people did just that we wouldnt be having threads like this.

[stuntman]

Well my point is it's a semi-useless implementation if there isn't any way of enforcing it. You'd never know if a 3 week old woman was pregnant ("expecting ") or not and it's not like anyone is going to go ask so really any woman could park in that spot and you'd never be the wiser. Same for a guy who could be picking up a woman.

Take courtesy seats on the bus again. You CAN sit in them if nobody requiring them is on the bus, however if someone who would need it (pregnant women, elderly, or injured) comes on the bus you yield them the seat (or they can ask). That's the principle. Unlike this parking thing, the principle is to YIELD it when necessary, not to avoid the seat altogether. This parking spot thing however isn't well defined as to whether you avoid the spot or not....cause really, if a pregnant mother arrives at the parking and you're using the spot, you can't exactly yield the spot if you're inside...so is the point to avoid the spot altogether? If so, it's a poor implementation if that's what the "system" is supposed to be...

See I get the concept, I just don't see how it can be applied, especially when people are using the analogy of the courtesy seats on the bus/subway which has subtle but key differences.

I'm trying to understand as we don't have this kind of thing here.

Yeah...this type of things does not fly in certain areas, it is really up to trust and peer pressure.
A similar example would be a store that does not bring in bags of topsoil at night. In some areas it is fine. In others people would steal it.

The fact that we have those parking spots here and people use them appropriately (for the most part) is a good sign that we live in a pretty good city.

[ishfish]

The fact that we have those parking spots here and people use them appropriately (for the most part) is a good sign that we live in a pretty good city.

That is a great way to look at it.

[uber_shnitz]

I was referring to the moral principle of it. Those are the key things. I do see your point tho. Very easy to be abused and is a douche magnet so to speak. The bus does have a sign stating that passengers should move to the back and allow elderly and pregnant women to sit there. We have them here in Burlington and also in Hamilton when I lived there.

I think the biggest point is you shouldnt concern yourself with the abuse of the spot and be more concerned about you knowing your not entitled to it and doing whats right and not joining in. The property owner has asked people to not use the spot if they dont meet the requirement. is it so hard for someone to respect that? If more people did just that we wouldnt be having threads like this.

Well see that was my question: whether it was like a courtesy seat on the bus (aka use it until someone who needs it arrives) or if it was like a handicapped parking spot (aka don't use it at all if you're not "eligible").

So it's really just an unofficial goodwill thing?

I'm not saying it's not a nice thing, I just don't feel it's really necessary per se. Like I said, in most of my experience (I know there are many exceptions of course), women who don't want to drive will usually have a driver (spouse, family member, friend etc). This driver will usually drop them at the door and pick them up so really where the car is parked is a non-issue. I've never seen a courtesy spot for pregnant women here(I live in Montreal) so I can't really comment.

[ishfish]

Well see that was my question: whether it was like a courtesy seat on the bus (aka use it until someone who needs it arrives) or if it was like a handicapped parking spot (aka don't use it at all if you're not "eligible").

So it's really just an unofficial goodwill thing?

I'm not saying it's not a nice thing, I just don't feel it's really necessary per se. Like I said, in most of my experience (I know there are many exceptions of course), women who don't want to drive will usually have a driver (spouse, family member, friend etc). This driver will usually drop them at the door and pick them up so really where the car is parked is a non-issue. I've never seen a courtesy spot for pregnant women here(I live in Montreal) so I can't really comment.

Yes, unofficial goodwill. Honor. There are no fines or tow aways if you park in one and are not pregnant or with little kiddies.

You might have them and just never noticed.

[uber_shnitz]

Yes, unofficial goodwill. Honor. There are no fines or tow aways if you park in one and are not pregnant or with little kiddies.

You might have them and just never noticed.

Are they labeled in any way? The only labeled parking I've ever seen is handicapped so if they're here they're either unlabeled or relatively scarce.

Like I said, a very nice/noble gesture, but somewhat impractical and vague in nature. Do other kinds of special needs groups get to use these courtesy spots (like elderly and injured people)?

[ishfish]

Are they labeled in any way? The only labeled parking I've ever seen is handicapped so if they're here they're either unlabeled or relatively scarce.

Like I said, a very nice/noble gesture, but somewhat impractical and vague in nature. Do other kinds of special needs groups get to use these courtesy spots (like elderly and injured people)?

They have a sign on a post (usually with a picture of a baby carriage on them).

I guess other groups can use them as there are no negative consequences if they do. But they are not supposed to. If you are elderly and in need for a medical reason then there would be handicapped parking if you qualify with a tag.

I imagine most people with injuries would be dropped off.

[uber_shnitz]

They have a sign on a post (usually with a picture of a baby carriage on them).

I guess other groups can use them as there are no negative consequences if they do. But they are not supposed to. If you are elderly and in need for a medical reason then there would be handicapped parking if you qualify with a tag.

I imagine most people with injuries would be dropped off.

Hmm I'll try and keep an eye out for them to see how widespread they are!

Well see I'm of the same opinion for pregnant women? Aren't most of them dropped off as well (at least in my experience)? If by the same logic, both groups have mobility issues, either both should be granted a parking spot or both should be expected to be dropped off no (and therefore both not given a spot)?

I mean, I'm questioning why we don't just call the whole thing a "courtesy spot" like courtesy seats on the bus aka for people with mobility issues that aren't severe medical handicaps.

[Mr980x]

Well see that was my question: whether it was like a courtesy seat on the bus (aka use it until someone who needs it arrives) or if it was like a handicapped parking spot (aka don't use it at all if you're not "eligible").

So it's really just an unofficial goodwill thing?

I'm not saying it's not a nice thing, I just don't feel it's really necessary per se. Like I said, in most of my experience (I know there are many exceptions of course), women who don't want to drive will usually have a driver (spouse, family member, friend etc). This driver will usually drop them at the door and pick them up so really where the car is parked is a non-issue. I've never seen a courtesy spot for pregnant women here(I live in Montreal) so I can't really comment.


This might help..


Bus Seat

-Not Exclusive
-People who need it (Elderly and pregnant or disabled) are clearly identified
-Has a sign that states it should be yielded to certain people at certain times
-Enforced morally by public and usually by drivers.

Handicapped Spot

-Exclusively for Handicapped people
-People who need it identified by Placards
-Has a clear stated sign
-Enforced by police and morally by public and property owners (call abuse in)

Designated Maternity Parking

-Exclusively for pregnant women and their partners or family members
-People who need it aren't always clearly identified
-Has a clearly stated sign
-Rarely enforced

Alot of similarities and also differences but the key thing is the sign tells you who its for and we all know better than to purposely ignore what the sign is telling us.

[Mr980x]

Hmm I'll try and keep an eye out for them to see how widespread they are!

Well see I'm of the same opinion for pregnant women? Aren't most of them dropped off as well (at least in my experience)? If by the same logic, both groups have mobility issues, either both should be granted a parking spot or both should be expected to be dropped off no (and therefore both not given a spot)?

I mean, I'm questioning why we don't just call the whole thing a "courtesy spot" like courtesy seats on the bus aka for people with mobility issues that aren't severe medical handicaps.

+1


I agree with you fully on your last sentence. I dont like the word "courtesy" only because that sounds like something the "douches" would love to pick at and abuse. I think they should just do what Sears does and set aside some front parking for those who fit in the extra needs category (prego, elderly, mobility issues). Most new stores have these spots. maybe no one has noticed since they are always taken?

End of the day can we all agree if we dont fit in the category for the spot that we shouldnt take it?

[Kris81]

Wow, this thread is still going on? lol.
I would bet 9/10 mothers like this spot, not because it's "easier" or "helpful" for them, but because they know they can go to the mall & this parking spot will be available for them, and they don't have to look around for one.
Seriously though, the people who make a big deal about these spots are just as bad as the people who take them. Who gives a flying Fork.


Off topic story:


Today i'm at the Walk in Clinic, and this guy comes in talking really loud on his cel phone about how he was in a car accident 5 minutes ago. He's walking around perfectly fine. His girlfriend/wife/whoever shows up & now he's in sudden pain. There is a young child in the walk in clinic waiting room as well, and he's pushing his stroller around. The kid accidentally hit me in the leg. haha, I laugh he's like 3 years old, WTF does he know. The mother has apologized 50 times to me for it, and i've said "not a problem" at least 10 times. Car accident guy who is now milking his injuries that weren't there 10 minutes ago (for his gf/wife) is hit in the foot lighter than I was by the same kid. What's his reaction? "AHHHHHH!" grabs his leg, and winces in pain like he was just shot in the knee multiple times. As the mother apologizes to him, he shouts out "I WAS IN A CAR ACCIDENT 5 MINUTES AGO AHHHHHHHHHH!" (he said this 5-6 times). As he's making a big deal about it to the 5 other people in the waiting room, he gets a phone call, gets up & hurries out of the waiting room. For someone who was in serious pain & hurt, he sure could move fast.


Anyway, back on topic, moral of the story much like this guy, and people who make a HUGE deal about their pregnant spot being taken, I hate attention wh0r3s.

[Mr980x]

Wow, this thread is still going on? lol.
I would bet 9/10 mothers like this spot, not because it's "easier" or "helpful" for them, but because they know they can go to the mall & this parking spot will be available for them, and they don't have to look around for one.
Seriously though, the people who make a big deal about these spots are just as bad as the people who take them. Who gives a flying Fork.


Off topic story:


Today i'm at the Walk in Clinic, and this guy comes in talking really loud on his cel phone about how he was in a car accident 5 minutes ago. He's walking around perfectly fine. His girlfriend/wife/whoever shows up & now he's in sudden pain. There is a young child in the walk in clinic waiting room as well, and he's pushing his stroller around. The kid accidentally hit me in the leg. haha, I laugh he's like 3 years old, WTF does he know. The mother has apologized 50 times to me for it, and i've said "not a problem" at least 10 times. Car accident guy who is now milking his injuries that weren't there 10 minutes ago (for his gf/wife) is hit in the foot lighter than I was by the same kid. What's his reaction? "AHHHHHH!" grabs his leg, and winces in pain like he was just shot in the knee multiple times. As the mother apologizes to him, he shouts out "I WAS IN A CAR ACCIDENT 5 MINUTES AGO AHHHHHHHHHH!" (he said this 5-6 times). As he's making a big deal about it to the 5 other people in the waiting room, he gets a phone call, gets up & hurries out of the waiting room. For someone who was in serious pain & hurt, he sure could move fast.


Anyway, back on topic, moral of the story much like this guy, and people who make a HUGE deal about their pregnant spot being taken, I hate attention wh0r3s.


Thanks for sharing.

Your a funny guy. Really. I guess you took a survey to know 9 outta 10 like the spot for the reasons you gave. There are usually only 4 spots max. LOL so I guess the average of 10 pregnant women an hour (ask anyone who does tracking for retail stores) that shop at a store and make up a huge amount of business know they each will get a spot right?

[stuntman]

Wow, this thread is still going on? lol.
I would bet 9/10 mothers like this spot, not because it's "easier" or "helpful" for them, but because they know they can go to the mall & this parking spot will be available for them, and they don't have to look around for one.
Seriously though, the people who make a big deal about these spots are just as bad as the people who take them. Who gives a flying Fork.
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Anyway, back on topic, moral of the story much like this guy, and people who make a HUGE deal about their pregnant spot being taken, I hate attention wh0r3s.

2 wrongs don't make a right. How about you post those links with women freaking out 6 months later?
Even if the "attention *****" is true it does not make you any less of a dooooche for taking the spot.

Stop taking the spots and the doochiness will slowly wear off.

[Ziggy007]

Have you bothered to read his other posts? How about the one about obama not being born in the US. If the guy is a "birther" your telling me he isnt likely a really ignorant person who actually believes his own filth?


Yes my response is trolling.....:|

"Birther"? You mean someone with common sense? Look how long it took Obama to show up with some weak ***** "birth certificate" I could turn one up way faster and I am not doing anything as important as running for office of the president. Huge cover up and a likely forgery if you ask me.

You are probably one of those sheep who believes that there weren't any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq either right? The Americans went in there and diffused a potential crisis by starting the cleanup of the middle east, and they probably saved thousands of lives in the process.

[kindred_99]

I know that pregnant women and moms are off usually off limits (talk about moms being anything but 100000% perfect make people like Sarah Palin angry!) which is why this isn't a bigger issue. Malls certainly do this to cater to women and its a business decision more than anything. The problem is how and where do we draw the line? Any woman can park in the spot and say she is pregnant, whether she is showing or not, is anyone really going to challenge her? People here are now talking about having to handle strollers and a couple of kids and it not being easy though you kind of lose out on the strollers part because of the wheels and all. Where do we draw the line? If you have x number of kids you can park there? Until what age? Mom walks out with her teenagers, she's still a mom right? I take my nephew to the mall or the movies or whatever and whether he was a baby or not I would never think to park in the spot. Can dad's park in the spot? Uncles? Can a Chinese supermarket have special parking for Chinese people? Whites preferred parking at Wendy's? The whole thing seems kind of silly and unnecessary and at the end of the day it seems more like pandering than respect.

[Mr980x]

"Birther"? You mean someone with common sense? Look how long it took Obama to show up with some weak ***** "birth certificate" I could turn one up way faster and I am not doing anything as important as running for office of the president. Huge cover up and a likely forgery if you ask me.

You are probably one of those sheep who believes that there weren't any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq either right? The Americans went in there and diffused a potential crisis by starting the cleanup of the middle east, and they probably saved thousands of lives in the process.

I do believe Bush thought there might be something there. I also believe he was pushed to enter by his father and big Oil. I think it was more than a simple WMD propaganda thing.

Saved so many lives, like the over 100,000 Iraqs that died, 4000 American Troops, and hundreds of foreign troops. Also the 100 or so foreign civilians too.

So many lives saved.

I am not even going to go into the whole "birther" argument because its absolutely so stupid its not worth dealing with.

[Mr980x]

I know that pregnant women and moms are off usually off limits (talk about moms being anything but 100000% perfect make people like Sarah Palin angry!) which is why this isn't a bigger issue. Malls certainly do this to cater to women and its a business decision more than anything. The problem is how and where do we draw the line? Any woman can park in the spot and say she is pregnant, whether she is showing or not, is anyone really going to challenge her? People here are now talking about having to handle strollers and a couple of kids and it not being easy though you kind of lose out on the strollers part because of the wheels and all. Where do we draw the line? If you have x number of kids you can park there? Until what age? Mom walks out with her teenagers, she's still a mom right? I take my nephew to the mall or the movies or whatever and whether he was a baby or not I would never think to park in the spot. Can dad's park in the spot? Uncles? Can a Chinese supermarket have special parking for Chinese people? Whites preferred parking at Wendy's? The whole thing seems kind of silly and unnecessary and at the end of the day it seems more like pandering than respect.

It is a business decision. Its also morally responsible to the companies who choose to provide these spots. As someone who has a partner that works for TJX I can attest to the fact that above the norm customer service to women is to their philosophy.

A typical front parking spot contributes an average of $245 dollars in sales in a two hour period. A typical "Maternity" spot contributes an average of $375 dollars in sales. If you doubt these numbers you can ask anyone who works at any of the retail stores as managers and they will tell you this. Also since most clothing retailers have 60% and higher percentages of women that work there they do put thier own perspective into the decisions of providing these spots.

As for the drawing the line comment, I would of maybe saw your point until you obviously went overboard with it. Most of the people you mentioned have no limitations in movement or comfort that they require special treatment when parking or walking. The racial comparison is really asinine as I am sure you know half of your arguments are outright discriminatory. I am not saying that you yourself would you it but I dont think it matters who you think should get them or if its silly or not. Its provided to certain people by management. They chose it we have to respect it as its there spot and can make any rule they want provided its not racist or discriminatory. Providing spots to employees, elderly, handicapped, and pregnant women is the norm. Its also not sexist as we have mens and ladies washrooms. One cannot use the other.

A pregnant women has to deal with extra health issues. Same reason why they are not allowed to perform certain activities. They could use the benefit it provides alot more than anyone else.

The spot is for pregnant women and anyone with them in their vehicle only. Not women with kids, uncles or anyone else.

Again the rules where put there by the owner of the spot. You dont own it so follow the rules of the person who does. Is that so hard to understand?

[kindred_99]

It is a business decision. Its also morally responsible to the companies who choose to provide these spots. As someone who has a partner that works for TJX I can attest to big customer service to women is to their philosophy.

A typical front parking spot contributes an average of $245 dollars in sales. A typical "Maternity" spot contributes an average of $375 dollars in sales. If you doubt these numbers you can ask anyone who works at any of the retail stores as managers and they will tell you this. Also since most clothing retailers have 60% and higher percentages of women that work there they do put thier own perspective into the decisions of providing these spots.

As for the drawing the line comment, i would of maybe saw your point until you obviously went overboard with it. Most of the people you mentioned have no limitations in movement or comfort that they require special treatement when parking or walking. The racial comparison is really asinine.

A pregnant women has to deal with these issues. Same reason why they are not allowed to perform certain activities. They could use the benefit it provides alot more than anyone else.

The spot if for pregnant women and anyone with them only. Not women with kids, uncles or anyone else. Is that hard to understand?

Again the rules where put there by the owner of the spot. You dont own it so follow the rules of the person who does. Is that so hard to understand?

The reason I mentioned drawing the line is because someone here mentioned that she was a mom and that handling a couple of kids in a parking lot with strollers and all can be dangerous. It is not only pregnant women using the spots but regular moms as well.

In my previous post I even mentioned perhaps having a doctor issue a temporary sticker or whatever the same way they do for people with disabilities. A 2 week old pregnant woman is still pregnant does she get to use the spot? Does she have to have a physical limitation as you mentioned or is being pregnant good enough? What is the difference between a 2 week old pregnant woman getting preferential treatment for being pregnant (assuming she doesn't have any physical ailments) and getting preferential treatment for being Jewish at a Jewish Deli.

You mentioned that women spend more on clothes so clothing stores cater to them by having preferential parking. Should a Jewish Deli have preferential parking for Jewish customers if they typically spend 60% more than non-Jewish customers? You call my comments asinine but you defend stores that cater to women because they spend more. Make an argument and if its valid you might convince people. Don't make personal attacks, you lose credibility.

[Mr980x]

The reason I mentioned drawing the line is because someone here mentioned that she was a mom and that handling a couple of kids in a parking lot with strollers and all can be dangerous. It is not only pregnant women using the spots but regular moms as well.

In my previous post I even mentioned perhaps having a doctor issue a temporary sticker or whatever the same way they do for people with disabilities. A 2 week old pregnant woman is still pregnant does she get to use the spot? Does she have to have a physical limitation as you mentioned or is being pregnant good enough? What is the difference between a 2 week old pregnant woman getting preferential treatment for being pregnant (assuming she doesn't have any physical ailments) and getting preferential treatment for being Jewish at a Jewish Deli.

You mentioned that women spend more on clothes so clothing stores cater to them by having preferential parking. Should a Jewish Deli have preferential parking for Jewish customers if they typically spend 60% more than non-Jewish customers? You call my comments asinine but you defend stores that cater to women because they spend more. Make an argument and if its valid you might convince people. Don't make personal attacks, you lose credibility.

Did I call you stupid, fat, ugly or insult your intelligent? NO. I said your points were asinine as in silly So I dont see the personal attacks. Do you know what asinine means? http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/asinine.
If I called you asinine I would be calling you an ***** .

I do agree that a sticker would be a good idea. Issued by a doctor when your at a certain point (Third Tri-mester maybe?). Since we are not at that point most places believe people wont stoop to being as low as taking it when not needed.

Now the whole racial argument is just plain idiotic. Again not calling you an idiot, just your point. Its discriminatory to base any special treatment on race. You know better than to even go there. Talk about losing credibility. You just did.

I dont need to defend a store who chooses to reward a person who spends more. Alot of stores do it with points programs and such. LOL you think thats wrong?

I think I have made enough of a relevant point. The fact that the only rebuttal comes in the form of ignorance (like Kris did earlier) and now your baseless points proves enough to anyone with a rational train of thought that there is no good reason to ignore the posted sign. after all the main argument here isnt if the idea is stupid. Its if people are entailed to break a parking rule because they feel like it.


And why do I care so much you may ask?


My Wife is 5 months pregnant and I hope she doesnt get some jerkoff take a spot she could honestly use to her health benefit since I wont always be able to go with her. Seeing as she works for a store (wont name it) that is wrangling with several parking issues (this and handicapped parking and people parking across two spots), she has kindly let me in on the stores side of these spots being provided.

[kindred_99]

It was an attack nonetheless but what does it matter, thanks for the patronizing link though. I could give out some other definition links but I'll move on and get back to the issue. The race point isn't asinine, if you read what I wrote I clearly mentioned that a store owner who noticed that a certain ethnicity spent more in their store might want to cater to that group of people and give them prime parking spots, not because of their race but because they spent more money in his store, the same way that clothing stores that make more money from female customers cater to them. I believe that was actually one of your points. My point was simply where do we draw the line? I don't have a problem with a pregnant woman or physically challenged person being given preferential treatment in the form of a parking spot. Unfortunately the lack of enforcement and inability of others to contain themselves from abusing the system ruins it for everyone else.

[ur_funneh]

This might help..


Bus Seat

-Not Exclusive
-People who need it (Elderly and pregnant or disabled) are clearly identified
-Has a sign that states it should be yielded to certain people at certain times
-Enforced morally by public and usually by drivers.

Handicapped Spot

-Exclusively for Handicapped people
-People who need it identified by Placards
-Has a clear stated sign
-Enforced by police and morally by public and property owners (call abuse in)

Designated Maternity Parking

-Exclusively for pregnant women and their partners or family members
-People who need it aren't always clearly identified
-Has a clearly stated sign
-Rarely enforced

Alot of similarities and also differences but the key thing is the sign tells you who its for and we all know better than to purposely ignore what the sign is telling us.

Should note that it's "never" rather than "rarely"

[Mr980x]

It was an attack nonetheless but what does it matter, thanks for the patronizing link though. I could give out some other definition links but I'll move on and get back to the issue. The race point isn't asinine, if you read what I wrote I clearly mentioned that a store owner who noticed that a certain ethnicity spent more in their store might want to cater to that group of people and give them prime parking spots, not because of their race but because they spent more money in his store, the same way that clothing stores that make more money from female customers cater to them. I believe that was actually one of your points. My point was simply where do we draw the line? I don't have a problem with a pregnant woman or physically challenged person being given preferential treatment in the form of a parking spot. Unfortunately the lack of enforcement and inability of others to contain themselves from abusing the system ruins it for everyone else.



I agree with you on that point. Sad this is the world we live in that people have to be told like 5 year olds whats right and wrong.

I still dont see the personal attack you speak of. I am sorry if you feel offended but this is a discussion. I think we all know at some point our opinions will be picked apart. I only provided a link to show you I wasnt trying to lie about the chosen words true meaning in the way I applied it.

Stores provide the spots out of respect to the fact these women could use the spot for health reasons. The fact they spend more also motivates them as a business to provide it as well of course but health is a concern. The difference between this and rewarding high spenders of a certain race is that you cannot use race as a basis by Canadian charter laws. Its discriminatory because only the spending amount is factored in and to an outside person they wouldnt know why the jewish customers get better spots. They would see it as plain racist. They wouldnt see the pregnant spots as sexist because there is a good medical reason to provide them. I doubt you would of even knew what they spend inside if I hadnt told you.

Drawing the line isnt needed. Its commen sense. If we need to draw the line I feel sad for society.

[kindred_99]

I get what you're saying and as I said its fine for pregnant women, I can see that argument. Like many things though this gets pushed too far and goes from pregnant parking to mommy parking and eventually to who knows what. That was where my 'where do we draw the line' argument stemmed from. I appreciate that its tough to manage kids and all but does simply having a child entitle one to jump the line just because? I don't like that at all. I think it sends the wrong message especially to children who already feel entitled enough as it is.

[Mr980x]

Should note that it's "never" rather than "rarely"

Its enforced sometimes. Many a time my wife has stood outside to note the parking situation (parking is really important believe it or not) and has seen a man parking a car and getting ready to walk away and she polietely asked him if he is with his wife. The man says no and she tells him its a maternity spot and would he kindly find another spot. 9 out of ten times they go red and move to another spot. It doesnt happen much beacuse she is 5ft 1 and 125 pounds for the most part and really doesnt want to have to be playing security.

You are right tho its never enforced at most places. She once told me about how she cant tell customers not to open packages of merchandise (like phone covers, and electronics) even tho the act of doing so make the item either lose value or be outright unsellable. In either case the customer willfully "stole" value of the item away and is pretty much vandalism. We know its not right to open something thats not paid for but people do it anyways. We know we shouldnt park in these spots but because they cant be enforced we do it anyways.

Sad really.

Anyways I said my piece...

[Mr980x]

I get what you're saying and as I said its fine for pregnant women, I can see that argument. Like many things though this gets pushed too far and goes from pregnant parking to mommy parking and eventually to who knows what. That was where my 'where do we draw the line' argument stemmed from. I appreciate that its tough to manage kids and all but does simply having a child entitle one to jump the line just because? I don't like that at all. I think it sends the wrong message especially to children who already feel entitled enough as it is.

+1

For once I do agree. Kids dont need to feel anymore entitled. Its also sad we have to go overboard because some humans cant act like grownups so we have to make the craziest rules just to keep them in line.

[LostInTruth]

This is crazy. The woman is pregnant so just give her the damn spot. So many simple-minded people on here always having to make an issue out of nothing. So if that was your pregnant wife, or your mother then you would want some SOB to take the last spot and make her walk that far to get clothes, food, etc for most likely... YOU and/or YOUR FAMILY.

Being a do***he bag just for the sake of being one doesn't make you cool. It makes you look like a loser. Kind of like those who park in handicap spots just to "quickly grab something." It's nice that you can quickly grab something, whereas the person with the disability may not have that luxury.

[kindred_99]

I think we might need an episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm to address this issue. They did a brilliant job with the issue of parking in a disabled spot on Seinfeld. Even though I would never think of doing that, it keeps me in check every time I drive by an open spot and notice the sign. There was a great Curb episode where Larry dated a woman that was in a wheelchair and like Seinfeld's it was spot on.

[D-Roc]

They are courtesy spots and in some cases very bias as some signs say "Mother and Child". What about father and child? I think it is pretty stupid to argue over such a minor issue. If someone happens to use it who does not have a kid, who cares? I have never used one as I do not mind walking that little bit extra, but if that was the only available spot I would use it. Pregnant women or parents with kids survived all the past years without these spots. They will continue to survive if they have to walk a few extra metres in to a store or mall.

[LostInTruth]

They are courtesy spots and in some cases very bias as some signs say "Mother and Child". What about father and child? I think it is pretty stupid to argue over such a minor issue. If someone happens to use it who does not have a kid, who cares? I have never used one as I do not mind walking that little bit extra, but if that was the only available spot I would use it. Pregnant women or parents with kids survived all the past years without these spots. They will continue to survive if they have to walk a few extra metres in to a store or mall.

Advancements are supposed to better our lives.

[D-Roc]

Advancements are supposed to better our lives.

I really would not call a parking spot reserved for women/parents an "advancement".

[Angela V]

I've noticed as a woman, that one noticeable plus to these kind of spots is how big it is. Later in my pregnancies, my husband would look for those spots because I needed the space to get out of the car.

Not all pregnancies are the same. These spots are used for different reasons depending on the woman. Some woman don't use they them because they don't need them. I've used them for these reasons:

Needed the extra space to get out as noted above.
Really had to go to the bathroom.
Extra tired that day.
Had a small kid to also get out of the car.

[FrogPrince]

I use these spots all the time when I drive around with my 1 year old.

[longitude]

I use these spots all the time when I drive around with my 1 year old.

+1

I try to park as far as possible so we can walk.

But if it's snowing and too windy then I try to park as close as possible if I'm with my little one.