NY Times picks up on Rob Ford story

[NG]

It's one thing when insular Canada covers something en mass but when foreign press starts covering it I'm wondering if Toronto is starting to become a national embarrassment because of Ford.

http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/06/mayors-feud-with-press-is-escalating-in-toronto/

[BornRuff]

His feud with the Star is just juvenile.

He is supposed to be a leader, yet he constantly acts like a baby.

As a public figure, you will not always like the stories that are written about you. Deal with it.

Refusing to talk to the largest paper in the country is dumb enough. Trying to dictate who is sent to cover stories at city hall is a new level of idiocy.

[stuntman]

It's one thing when insular Canada covers something en mass but when foreign press starts covering it I'm wondering if Toronto is starting to become a national embarrassment because of Ford.

http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/06/mayors-feud-with-press-is-escalating-in-toronto/

You are just wondering now?
I would be surprised if the Ford/Mayor of Toronto was not already a point of ridicule elsewhere.

[NG]

You are just wondering now?
I would be surprised if the Ford/Mayor of Toronto was not already a point of ridicule elsewhere.

Well inside Canada sure but when the international press starts to pick something up it becomes a whole different thing.

[stealth]

Well inside Canada sure but when the international press starts to pick something up it becomes a whole different thing.

Any time Americans are talking about events in Canada, that seems like agood thing.
Their usual response is meh, who cares?

[Mykester]

NYT is even more liberal bias than the Star.

[dubey]

This thread is turning Toronto into an embarrassment

[zz000ter]

Enough of these anti-Ford threads
When will the mods do their jobs
This is an embarrassment

I do not care what your welfarian sub-class thinks.

The people that pay taxes like him
The people that live off other people's taxes hate him

boo hoo

[BornRuff]

Enough of these anti-Ford threads
When will the mods do their jobs
This is an embarrassment

I do not care what your welfarian sub-class thinks.

Can you stop whining in every time something is said that is not slanted towards your conservative views?

People are allowed to have views different than your own.

[time space]

I do not care what your welfarian sub-class thinks.

OMG - the welfarians walk among us! :-0

[MrKap]

I don't know, Rob Ford sort of gives Toronto a bit of character. It's a good thing international media is picking it up.

http://i49.tinypic.com/mv41h3.jpg

Wish they had more fun with it though...

Actually maybe Rob Ford is a little too on the whiney side to make anything good of it.

[DrCheap]

it's about time we have a mayor that no just talk about what he is going to do, but do it before saying anything about it.:twisted:


The Star reporter also have to learn how to hide himself better, he should be lucky that he is in Canada, not the US(gun and bullet and someone may get shot). Legal or not he made a mistake by letting someone know you are hiding, or let ID himself much better if he's not hiding.

[ji2o0k]

Rob Ford is a moron and a buffoon...good that others are aware of this..including the international community...

His "Cut the Waist" Challenge is a joke and so are his weekly weigh-ins....have some accountability and actually lose some weight...or just cancel the entire challenge instead of holding weigh-ins and then cancelling...embarassing...

[sandikosh]

I hope when I cross the border later this month I don't need to hide my shame!

[Piro21]

it's about time we have a mayor that no just talk about what he is going to do, but do it before saying anything about it.:twisted:


The Star reporter also have to learn how to hide himself better, he should be lucky that he is in Canada, not the US(gun and bullet and someone may get shot). Legal or not he made a mistake by letting someone know you are hiding, or let ID himself much better if he's not hiding.

But he wasn't hiding. Ford literally mugged him as he was standing in a public park. You're saying that he's lucky Ford didn't commit armed robbery instead of regular robbery?

[Piro21]

Can you stop whining in every time something is said that is not slanted towards your conservative views?

People are allowed to have views different than your own.

He seems to have the same glass jaw Ford has. In his mind he's free to toss out all the insults ('welfarian sub-class'?, really?) and start all the pro-Con threads he wants, but if anyone else does it he must go crying to the mods to get the thread shut down. Just look at his first response in the robocall thread. Unless it's full-on fact-defying propaganda for his side it shouldn't be seen or heard.

[kennyhohoho]

He seems to have the same glass jaw Ford has. In his mind he's free to toss out all the insults ('welfarian sub-class'?, really?) and start all the pro-Con threads he wants, but if anyone else does it he must go crying to the mods to get the thread shut down. Just look at his first response in the robocall thread. Unless it's full-on fact-defying propaganda for his side it shouldn't be seen or heard.

A glass jaw wouldn't be able to get through that amount of fried chicken. :lol:

[NorthYorker]

I've voted no, at very least because it is not s sin to be duped once. Torontonians made, in my view, a honest mistake of voting an incompetent with anger management issues into the office. So far, he's mostly embarrassing himself and reducing his own chances of re-elections. However, re-electing him would be embarrassing.

[flashy_mcflash]

I've voted no, at very least because it is not s sin to be duped once. Torontonians made, in my view, a honest mistake of voting an incompetent with anger management issues into the office. So far, he's mostly embarrassing himself and reducing his own chances of re-elections. However, re-electing him would be embarrassing.

He's still here for another three years though. The problem is that we all have to live with this stupid mistake right up until the Pan Am Games, when our stupidity will be on display to the world.

[stuntman]

after this morning story about the real reason Ford wants to buy the property for I would not be surprised this was done to intentionally embarrass Ford. The paper may have already knew what the outcome was.

[flashy_mcflash]

The stuff about his property is offside, IMO. His completely bizarre and inappropriate reaction to the reporter and the fact that Ford has been just as complicit as anyone else in keeping this nonsense in the news for a whole week is quite another thing though, and contributes to his negative image.

[NorthYorker]

He's still here for another three years though.That is irrelevant. "Fool me once, shame on you..." still applies. If there was a moment Torontonians should be ashamed of, that's the election night. His behaviour after being elected is absolutely consistent with what was expected of him by anyone with two synapses to rub together.
The problem is that we all have to live with this stupid mistake right up until the Pan Am Games, when our stupidity will be on display to the world.You know, more bad publicity for him might be a good publicity for Toronto. Despite his best efforts (like firing a director of city transit agency without cause), the city still works, and will do so for a while. So anyone aware of incompetent we managed to elect would actually be pleasantly surprised by visiting this city and seeing how great it is.

[Thai]

The pathetic bully of a tabloid and leftwing extremist Toronto Star is what's making Toronto look bad.

[Thai]

That is irrelevant. "Fool me once, shame on you..." still applies.

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Fool me three times and you're a Liberal (3 terms McGuinty)...

[mrjun18]

Well I don't think Ford is the problem. I think it might be The Star.

I mean if Donald Trump comes to Toronto to the opening ceremony of his hotel and The Star ain't invited, then that must mean something...

http://www.thestar.com/business/article/1162574--star-to-donald-trump-was-it-something-we-said

[thelefteyeguy]

just saying Mel lastman was laughed at internationally also....but guess what...he did his job and prob one of the greatest mayors in Toronto.

Sure, Miller was loved internationally....but he had his hands in my pocket like I was his sugar daddy.

I could care less if ppl like Ford or not, just control the spending.

[zonetbh]

His feud with the Star is just juvenile.

He is supposed to be a leader, yet he constantly acts like a baby.

As a public figure, you will not always like the stories that are written about you. Deal with it.

Refusing to talk to the largest paper in the country is dumb enough. Trying to dictate who is sent to cover stories at city hall is a new level of idiocy.

None of this would have happened if the Star would have simply admitted to being wrong regarding what they wrote about his coaching, especially after the kid in question came out and said it wasn't true and the star decided to just ignore that :rolleyes:

Ford haters have an easy time siding with the star here but the fact is they were the first in the wrong. I do agree 100% that Ford should at this point drop it and try to build that bridge back, but ultimately the Star has always had a problem with Ford and they have shown that they have no problem reporting things that are untrue. I used to enjoy the star but now they're in the same **** pile as the sun for me. I avoid both these days. I want to read the news, not an agenda.




Well I don't think Ford is the problem. I think it might be The Star.

I mean if Donald Trump comes to Toronto to the opening ceremony of his hotel and The Star ain't invited, then that must mean something...

http://www.thestar.com/business/article/1162574--star-to-donald-trump-was-it-something-we-said

The star started this **** storm and in my opinion they should end it.

[NorthYorker]

Sure, Miller was loved internationally....but he had his hands in my pocket like I was his sugar daddy.It isn't clear how Miller had his paws in your Markham pockets :)
Being a Toronto homeowner through all 3 mayors, I would say that (after a slight jump in the beginning of Miller times to make up for artificial tax freeze of last couple of Lastman years) property taxes in Toronto grew pretty steady. Ford hike is more-or-less in line with Miller's, and likely to be even more once Miller's surplus is finished by Ford.
Difference between Lastman and Ford is very simple. Lastman was a balabostah and Ford is a spoiled brat.

[konfusion666]

A glass jaw wouldn't be able to get through that amount of fried chicken. :lol:

Tempered glass then. Nom nom nom

[Piro21]

just saying Mel lastman was laughed at internationally also....but guess what...he did his job and prob one of the greatest mayors in Toronto

Mel Lastman is responsible for that money pit Sheppard line. We could have had an actual useful line across Eglinton or a DRL if not for him. He also named a square after himself in North York just to assuage his ego. How is that 'one of the greatest mayors in Toronto'?

[thelefteyeguy]

It isn't clear how Miller had his paws in your Markham pockets :)
Being a Toronto homeowner through all 3 mayors, I would say that (after a slight jump in the beginning of Miller times to make up for artificial tax freeze of last couple of Lastman years) property taxes in Toronto grew pretty steady. Ford hike is more-or-less in line with Miller's, and likely to be even more once Miller's surplus is finished by Ford.
Difference between Lastman and Ford is very simple. Lastman was a balabostah and Ford is a spoiled brat.

cause i just moved to markham 6 months ago :razz:

I get nightmares still from Miller's hands in my pockets :D

[manmanny]

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Fool me three times and you're a Liberal (3 terms McGuinty)...

Ouch. You will not hear any criticism about Miller or Dalton anytime here. As soon as these are mentioned they stay silent.

[NorthYorker]

I get nightmares still from Miller's hands in my pocketsTo me they were/are all the same so far. 2-3% per year, steady. It seems to me that roots of your unhappiness with Miller are in some other area, and you are just unhappy with everything he did...
You will not hear any criticism about Miller or Dalton anytime here.Miller is a had been, he left politics undefeated at his own accord. Dalton... Well, that's another issue. Some are unhappy with him, some are OK, some are still having nightmares every time they think of old Harris gang ruling Ontario again. IMHO Mc'Guinty's third term owes to this 3rd group more than anyone else.

[flashy_mcflash]

You will not hear any criticism about Miller or Dalton anytime here. As soon as these are mentioned they stay silent.

Are you insane? Seriously, have you EVER read this forum?

[manmanny]

And about NYT picking up story. NYT is from same bias as Star and they official work together along with LA-times. So No surprise there.

[manmanny]

Are you insane? Seriously, have you EVER read this forum?

Not as Insane, Educated Fail, biased, arrogant, name calling Manuela as you.

[vero95]

thanks for posting NG. articles like that will definitely make our mayor and Canadians more popular in the US
it shows that we Canadians can stand for our rights and are ready to defend our properties

[vero95]

But he wasn't hiding. Ford literally mugged him as he was standing in a public park. You're saying that he's lucky Ford didn't commit armed robbery instead of regular robbery?

I thought he was caught standing by Rob's house opposite the park. his head was bobbing up and down over the fence while he was trying to spy on Rob, no?

[NorthYorker]

I thought he was caught standing by Rob's house opposite the park.You are wrong/lying again. Not that I' am really surprised, after your claim of reading lips you could not possibly see. Dale was in the park, Ford cornered him, fists raised, on public property.

[Piro21]

I thought he was caught standing by Rob's house opposite the park. his head was bobbing up and down over the fence while he was trying to spy on Rob, no?

If by 'opposite the park' you mean 'in the park', then yes. His head was probably bobbing up and down behind the fence because he's tall enough for the top of his head to show over it (like I am) and he was just walking around.

[vero95]

You are wrong/lying again. Not that I' am really surprised, after your claim of reading lips you could not possibly see. Dale was in the park, Ford cornered him, fists raised, on public property.


If by 'opposite the park' you mean 'in the park', then yes. His head was probably bobbing up and down behind the fence because he's tall enough for the top of his head to show over it (like I am) and he was just walking around.

before you call me a liar, camrades, learn the facts :facepalm:
http://media.thestar.topscms.com/images/77/4f/2204381c4d8f9c1088cb9db1d21f.jpg
http://www.thestar.com/news/cityhallpolitics/article/1172874--daniel-dale-s-story-responding-to-mayor-rob-ford
you contradict even the story your paper published
can I call you liars, camrades? :D

[stuntman]

I thought he was caught standing by Rob's house opposite the park. his head was bobbing up and down over the fence while he was trying to spy on Rob, no?

that is what Rob says. The star says no. It is hard to say who is believable but Rob could prove it by releasing the video he says he gave to the police.

If they do charge the reporter the reporter can release the video.

[vero95]

that is what Rob says. The star says no. It is hard to say who is believable but Rob could prove it by releasing the video he says he gave to the police.

If they do charge the reporter the reporter can release the video.

I do not know. the paper shows the "reporter" was not on the property Ford wanted to buy
are you saying the star is lying again? should we trust camrades who post here instead? :D

[Thai]

If by 'opposite the park' you mean 'in the park', then yes. His head was probably bobbing up and down behind the fence because he's tall enough for the top of his head to show over it (like I am) and he was just walking around.

Yeah walking around on cinder blocks like a bobble head peeking over the fence into someone's private backyard...

Let's see what Ford's surveillance video caught. Hopefully something good.

[NorthYorker]

before you call me a liar, camrades, learn the facts :facepalm:
http://www.thestar.com/news/cityhallpolitics/article/1172874--daniel-dale-s-story-responding-to-mayor-rob-fordThanks for the schema. It very clearly shows that at no moment Dale was "opposite the park", as you've claimed. However, he was by Rob Ford's house, so the correct description would be "Rob Ford cornered Dale in public park by Ford's house". Does owning a plot of land give you right to corner folks outside of your property?
Let's see what Ford's surveillance video caught. Hopefully something good.Ford is too scared to release this video. IMHO he knows he lied, and does not want proof of his lies in form of video not showing what he claimed it does.

[zonetbh]

Thanks for the schema. It very clearly shows that at no moment Dale was "opposite the park", as you've claimed. However, he was by Rob Ford's house, so the correct description would be "Rob Ford cornered Dale in public park by Ford's house". Does owning a plot of land give you right to corner folks outside of your property?

Pretty sure there isn't anything illegal about that unless you physically assault them. If someone was sneaking around behind my house I could see myself doing the same, regardless if they're on my property or not.

Why do people think politicians shouldn't be normal human beings? I don't understand that.

[flashy_mcflash]

Why do people think politicians shouldn't be normal human beings? I don't understand that.

Rob Ford is a lot of things, but a 'regular human being' is not one of them. Maybe screaming at women that they should get raped, calling people 'wastes of skin', and threatening people is normal to you, but that is not how most of us were brought up to act.

[zonetbh]

Rob Ford is a lot of things, but a 'regular human being' is not one of them. Maybe screaming at women that they should get raped, calling people 'wastes of skin', and threatening people is normal to you, but that is not how most of us were brought up to act.

Oh he was screaming at a woman? The reporter was a woman? He called the reporter a waste of skin? He threatened her?

I didn't read any of that stuff. I thought the reporter was a guy. Are you sure we're talking about the same situation here?

[stuntman]

Pretty sure there isn't anything illegal about that unless you physically assault them. If someone was sneaking around behind my house I could see myself doing the same, regardless if they're on my property or not.

Why do people think politicians shouldn't be normal human beings? I don't understand that.

Approaching someone in a physically threatening manner is an offense.

I am not saying Ford did something wrong though........if he felt thretened it is a natural reaction

[OctaneChicken]

He has anger issues. Maybe from this stuff
From Cheezburger network
http://artoftrolling.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/internet-troll-spot-the-difference.png

http://totallylookslike.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/fdb9fc81-ac77-425a-9d73-00e8e89c41f6.jpg

From the star (http://thestar.blogs.com/stargazing/2011/12/rob-ford-is-now-a-meme.html)
http://thestar.blogs.com/.a/6a00d8341bf8f353ef015437b8c421970c-500wi

http://thestar.blogs.com/.a/6a00d8341bf8f353ef015393e536b5970b-320wi

http://thestar.blogs.com/.a/6a00d8341bf8f353ef015393e53b97970b-450wi

http://thestar.blogs.com/.a/6a00d8341bf8f353ef015437b8cd8f970c-450wi

http://thestar.blogs.com/.a/6a00d8341bf8f353ef015393e55d3c970b-400wi

[NG]

Oh he was screaming at a woman? The reporter was a woman? He called the reporter a waste of skin? He threatened her?

I didn't read any of that stuff. I thought the reporter was a guy. Are you sure we're talking about the same situation here?

One of the many antics of Ford but not related to most recent one with the Star.

According to the Globe Ford was being loud at a hockey game and when the husband asked him to stop he started shouting stuff about rape etc at the wife



Failing to get a response, he turns his attention to the man’s wife: “Do you want your little wife to go over to Iran and get raped and shot?”
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toronto/rob-ford-and-a-decade-of-controversy/article1678543/page2/

[flashy_mcflash]

Oh he was screaming at a woman? The reporter was a woman? He called the reporter a waste of skin? He threatened her?

I didn't read any of that stuff. I thought the reporter was a guy. Are you sure we're talking about the same situation here?

These are all separate incidents that I detailed earlier in this thread. He has a long, long history (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toronto/rob-ford-and-a-decade-of-controversy/article1678543/) of these kinds of outbursts and even more worryingly, he has a history of blatantly lying about them.

[ishfish]

He is the one who should be embarassed now. If he is re-elected then the voters can share the embarassment.

[NorthYorker]

Pretty sure there isn't anything illegal about that unless you physically assault them.Theoretically, threat of application of force (as in "cornering someone with your fists raised") can be considered an assault, but I have no idea if Ford's actions are falling under this definition. Dales filing assault charges against Ford would be a great show (and there would be some merit to his claim), but extremely childish :) Taking into account that Ford's lawyers would be feeding at my taxes, I'm surely not looking forward to it.
If someone was sneaking around behind my house I could see myself doing the same Me too. There's nothing wrong with calmly checking the situation, and with being armed appropriately (cell phone in Toronto, something blunt'n'heavy in Canadian countryside :D ). However, charging a guy I've recognized (Ford's own admission) as a journo is IMHO something I would not do. I'll try to fry his lower back with whatever charges I can file, especially if someone else (for example, City of Toronto) is paying my legal bills :)

[vero95]

Thanks for the schema. It very clearly shows that at no moment Dale was "opposite the park", as you've claimed. However, he was by Rob Ford's house, so the correct description would be "Rob Ford cornered Dale in public park by Ford's house". Does owning a plot of land give you right to corner folks outside of your property?Ford is too scared to release this video. IMHO he knows he lied, and does not want proof of his lies in form of video not showing what he claimed it does.

liar again. the "reporter" claimed to be interested in the property Ford is going to buy but went to the other side of Ford's house and was spying on him
stop your bs, camrade :facepalm:
yeah, if I see a guy with cameras and recorders observing my house, I would ask him to leave and that's what Rob did. it's not Rob's fault that the dude dropped his equipment and pi$$ed his pants, no? :facepalm:

[vero95]

Theoretically, threat of application of force (as in "cornering someone with your fists raised") can be considered an assault, but I have no idea if Ford's actions are falling under this definition. Dales filing assault charges against Ford would be a great show (and there would be some merit to his claim), but extremely childish :) Taking into account that Ford's lawyers would be feeding at my taxes, I'm surely not looking forward to it. Me too. There's nothing wrong with calmly checking the situation, and with being armed appropriately (cell phone in Toronto, something blunt'n'heavy in Canadian countryside :D ). However, charging a guy I've recognized (Ford's own admission) as a journo is IMHO something I would not do. I'll try to fry his lower back with whatever charges I can file, especially if someone else (for example, City of Toronto) is paying my legal bills :)

that just does not make any sense. why should he act differently because he recognized the dude? he was not his friend :facepalm:

[NG]

These are all separate incidents that I detailed earlier in this thread. He has a long, long history (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toronto/rob-ford-and-a-decade-of-controversy/article1678543/) of these kinds of outbursts and even more worryingly, he has a history of blatantly lying about them.

When there's witnesses (like the hockey incident) and/or tape (like apparently with this Star incident) it's pretty foolish that he'd lie....however considering he's doing stuff like yelling at a woman and saying stuff to her husband about his "little wife being raped" I can see why he'd want to pretend that didn't happen.

[kennyhohoho]

Assuming that diagram is to scale, I have a hard time believing Ford walking anywhere close to that distance before stopping for fried chicken in between that route.


before you call me a liar, camrades, learn the facts :facepalm:
http://media.thestar.topscms.com/images/77/4f/2204381c4d8f9c1088cb9db1d21f.jpg
http://www.thestar.com/news/cityhallpolitics/article/1172874--daniel-dale-s-story-responding-to-mayor-rob-ford
you contradict even the story your paper published
can I call you liars, camrades? :D

[NorthYorker]

liar again.Again? As in "I dream again that I caught NorthYorker lying"?
the "reporter" claimed to be interested in the property Ford is going to buy but went to the other side of Ford's house and was spying on himYou're trying to weasel your way out of statements you've made before. You falsely claimed that reported was not in public park. He was. However, I agree that Ford cornered him not near the parcel he was trying to investigate. Now, it could mean that he was spying. It could mean that he was just checking the general lay of property (you would be first to accuse him of sloppy work if his article would show him being unaware about borders of Ford's homestead, and I would agree). It could mean that he was genuinely lost (as someone who dealt with property rolls, I can vouch that they're full of jargon less obvious to laymen). Ford's security video would help to identify his actions prior to incident, but Ford is refusing to release it. We both know why.
if I see a guy with cameras and recorders observing my house, I would ask him to leave and that's what Rob did.If yours "asking to leave" includes charging with your fists raised and cornering folks on public property, you are asking for trouble.
why should he act differently because he recognized the dude?Because he know that the dude pose no risk to immediate safety of his family, so a reasonable human being's response would be less hysterical. However, there are reasonable folks and there's Rob Ford, and never the twain shall meet.

[zz000ter]

If you hate Ford so much
Why not go and start a blog and rant there

[vero95]

Again? As in "I dream again that I caught NorthYorker lying"?You're trying to weasel your way out of statements you've made before. You falsely claimed that reported was not in public park. He was. However, I agree that Ford cornered him not near the parcel he was trying to investigate.
after you agreed with me that he was not in the part of the park that he was supposed to write about I have no clue why you keep looking for excuseses. posting more will not make you right :facepalm:


Now, it could mean that he was spying. It could mean that he was just checking the general lay of property (you would be first to accuse him of sloppy work if his article would show him being unaware about borders of Ford's homestead, and I would agree). It could mean that he was genuinely lost (as someone who dealt with property rolls, I can vouch that they're full of jargon less obvious to laymen). Ford's security video would help to identify his actions prior to incident, but Ford is refusing to release it. We both know why.If yours "asking to leave" includes charging with your fists raised and cornering folks on public property, you are asking for trouble. Because he know that the dude pose no risk to immediate safety of his family, so a reasonable human being's response would be less hysterical. However, there are reasonable folks and there's Rob Ford, and never the twain shall meet.
LOL why are you saying he posed no risk? he was not his friend he could invite to his house and have a beer. John Barber also posed no risk until he called Ford "fat f**k" :facepalm:
let Ford decide who can spy on him ;) you will not be telling Rob who can spy on him :facepalm:

[vero95]

If you hate Ford so much
Why not go and start a blog and rant there

there is plenty of them already
besides those camrades are are paid to post here

[flashy_mcflash]

there is plenty of them already
besides those camrades are are paid to post here

You know, you should probably learn how to spell (in English) if you're going to throw insults around. Doing otherwise makes you look awfully dumb.

[forzaroma]

The Toronto Star is the biggest piece of junk I've ever read. It makes the Toronto Sun seem credible, and that's saying something.

I don't doubt for a minute that pipsqueak of a reporter was spying into Ford's property. Now, violence is never the answer so he should have just called the police if he felt someone was indeed trespassing. Either way, the Toronto Star needs to lay off and drop the "elitist" charade. Especially that Heather Mallick :lol: her works are an absolute joke.

[MrBriggs]

You know, you should probably learn how to spell (in English) if you're going to throw insults around. Doing otherwise makes you look awfully dumb.

I think Charlie Sheen should go on a media blitz again, with his deranged rants, like he did a couple of years ago... you know, that would be a huge improvement from how his image is being used today.

[walleye*guy]

Wow, there are some seriously right-wing people in Toronto.....
You really should give thought to moving to Alberta, people with your attitudes would fit right in here.

[flashy_mcflash]

Wow, there are some seriously right-wing people in Toronto.....
You really should give thought to moving to Alberta, people with your attitudes would fit right in here.

Not Calgary though. I think most of us would happily trade our 300-pound ball and chain for Nenshi.

[BornRuff]

None of this would have happened if the Star would have simply admitted to being wrong regarding what they wrote about his coaching, especially after the kid in question came out and said it wasn't true and the star decided to just ignore that :rolleyes:

Ford haters have an easy time siding with the star here but the fact is they were the first in the wrong. I do agree 100% that Ford should at this point drop it and try to build that bridge back, but ultimately the Star has always had a problem with Ford and they have shown that they have no problem reporting things that are untrue. I used to enjoy the star but now they're in the same **** pile as the sun for me. I avoid both these days. I want to read the news, not an agenda.

The star started this **** storm and in my opinion they should end it.

I don't believe that for one second. If they apologized about that he would have just made up another reason not to talk to them.

As a public figure, you wont like everything that is written about you. If the story written by the Star was as egregious as he claims, they could have won a libel case, but they never followed through on that.

The Star did nothing other than their job. The mayor needs to grow up.

[NorthYorker]

you agreed with me that he was not in the part of the park that he was supposed to write aboutNice attempt of weaseling on your side, right there with claim of reading lips you could not see. Let me refresh your memory. You wrote " he was caught standing ... opposite the park." This was a lie and I pointed at that. Later you claimed that he was caught standing not next to a piece of land he was claiming to write about, and I agreed with you. Now you're trying to pretend that my agreement with you on something means that I did not catch you lying about something else. Nice, but too primitive even for someone like you. Try harder next time.
LOL why are you saying he posed no risk? he was not his friend he could invite to his house and have a beer. John Barber also posed no risk until he called Ford "fat f**k" :facepalm:Even assuming that Ford's tale about "Fatf...ck" is true (and, except your lie about lip-reading, we have no independent verification that this particular claim from a proven liar Ford is truthful), badmouthing Ford does not mean that the badmouther pose risk to Ford's wife and kids.

[vero95]

I don't believe that for one second. If they apologized about that he would have just made up another reason not to talk to them.

As a public figure, you wont like everything that is written about you. If the story written by the Star was as egregious as he claims, they could have won a libel case, but they never followed through on that.

The Star did nothing other than their job. The mayor needs to grow up.

what do you mean by that? should he just let him stay there and take pics? or possibly even invite him to his house because he is a journalist? :D
like the star you can't distinguish who is a victim here. FYI you do not have to tolerate reporters standing behind your fence. it does not matter if he is a public figure or a regular citizen, he had a right to tell the dude to leave

[vero95]

Nice attempt of weaseling on your side, right there with claim of reading lips you could not see. Let me refresh your memory. You wrote " he was caught standing ... opposite the park." This was a lie and I pointed at that. Later you claimed that he was caught standing not next to a piece of land he was claiming to write about, and I agreed with you. Now you're trying to pretend that my agreement with you on something means that I did not catch you lying about something else. Nice, but too primitive even for someone like you. Try harder next time.

he was caught opposite the park he was going to write about. that's the fact and stick to it. stick to the facts ;)

[stuntman]

he was caught opposite the park he was going to write about. that's the fact and stick to it. stick to the facts ;)

He was opposite the park he was going to write about?

Do you know what the definition of opposite is and how it gets applied?

What made is the opposite?

[NorthYorker]

he was caught opposite the park he was going to write about.Technically, both corners are parts of the same park, so your claim is as truthful as your previous tales about darkness full hour BEFORE sunset or lip reading when you could not see lips.

[NorthYorker]

possibly even invite him to his house because he is a journalist?That is what reasonable politicians do all the time. However, one would tarnish the very idea word "reasonable" stands for, if one would call Ford "reasonable". So it is no wonder that even you consider possibility of reasonable behaviour from Robert Bruce Ford as something outlandish.

[vero95]

He was opposite the park he was going to write about?

Do you know what the definition of opposite is and how it gets applied?

What made is the opposite?

he was going to write about the part of the park that is located to the left of Rob's house. instead he was caught in the park in the back of Rob's property
what do you think he was doing there?

[BornRuff]

what do you mean by that? should he just let him stay there and take pics? or possibly even invite him to his house because he is a journalist? :D
like the star you can't distinguish who is a victim here. FYI you do not have to tolerate reporters standing behind your fence. it does not matter if he is a public figure or a regular citizen, he had a right to tell the dude to leave

As I said in the other thread, simply asking him to leave would have been the reasonable thing to do.

His whole meltdown over it was big irrational baby thing to do.

[vero95]

As I said in the other thread, simply asking him to leave would have been the reasonable thing to do.

His whole meltdown over it was big irrational baby thing to do.

let's not forget who was the victim and who provoked ;)

[stuntman]

he was going to write about the part of the park that is located to the left of Rob's house. instead he was caught in the park in the back of Rob's property
what do you think he was doing there?


I saw the map of this once...isn't the area all connected? I don't see how the word opposite has made it into here.
Can you point to the google map or intersection for me?

[no_username]

But he wasn't hiding. Ford literally mugged him as he was standing in a public park. You're saying that he's lucky Ford didn't commit armed robbery instead of regular robbery?

The irony though, is that if this were Florida (or any Stand You Ground Law State), the reporter could have shot and killed Rob Ford, as Rob Ford was the one threatening violence to a person that was on public property. It would have been easy to justify, considering that the reporter is like 150 lbs and Rob Ford weighs over 300 lbs.

[NG]

The irony though, is that if this were Florida (or any Stand You Ground Law State), the reporter could have shot and killed Rob Ford, as Rob Ford was the one threatening violence to a person that was on public property. It would have been easy to justify, considering that the reporter is like 150 lbs and Rob Ford weighs over 300 lbs.

Now there's a funny thought. Gotta love irony.

[BornRuff]

let's not forget who was the victim and who provoked ;)

I understand how Ford could be annoyed by this, but saying he was "victimized" by this is a bit much.

If the account by the Star reporter is true, it would seem much more like he was the victim, and Ford was the aggressor.

[CDNPatriot]

Hmmmm

I'd remove the anti middle class threads first.

Or how about those anti teacher/public service/TTC and a host of other profession bashing threads based on lies.

And what about the anti immigration threads?

Anti gay community threads?

But I see you feel the need that the mayor needs your help first.


Enough of these anti-Ford threads
boo hoo

[CDNPatriot]

Mr. Kap :lol::lol:
That's exactly how Ford smiles.


I don't know, Rob Ford sort of gives Toronto a bit of character. It's a good thing international media is picking it up.

http://i49.tinypic.com/mv41h3.jpg

Wish they had more fun with it though...

Actually maybe Rob Ford is a little too on the whiney side to make anything good of it.

[CDNPatriot]

The problem is that the mayor is a bad leader.

Those that work as manager would know this. If a manager, no matter how educated or talented he was always had his staff complaining and created controversy that manager would be fired. Part of a leaders job is knowing how to get the best of people. Ford really antagonizes people.

As for the Star, it was Ford that acted like a tough guy and declared back in 2010 that he would never speak to the Toronto Star. Essentially denyting them freedom of the press.

That was his boneheaded move. Now he whines in the media and calls the police to fix a war that he unecessarily started.


None of this would have happened if the Star would have simply admitted to being wrong regarding what they wrote about his coaching, especially after the kid in question came out and said it wasn't true and the star decided to just ignore that :rolleyes:

Ford haters have an easy time siding with the star here but the fact is they were the first in the wrong. I do agree 100% that Ford should at this point drop it and try to build that bridge back, but ultimately the Star has always had a problem with Ford and they have shown that they have no problem reporting things that are untrue. I used to enjoy the star but now they're in the same **** pile as the sun for me. I avoid both these days. I want to read the news, not an agenda.





The star started this **** storm and in my opinion they should end it.

[kingrukus]

Ford should have snapped the star reporter's neck and cooked him for dinner.
I hate the star, and furthermore Rob Ford is the best mayor ever.

[manmanny]

None of this would have happened if the Star would have simply admitted to being wrong regarding what they wrote about his coaching, especially after the kid in question came out and said it wasn't true and the star decided to just ignore that :rolleyes:

Ford haters have an easy time siding with the star here but the fact is they were the first in the wrong. I do agree 100% that Ford should at this point drop it and try to build that bridge back, but ultimately the Star has always had a problem with Ford and they have shown that they have no problem reporting things that are untrue. I used to enjoy the star but now they're in the same **** pile as the sun for me. I avoid both these days. I want to read the news, not an agenda.





The star started this **** storm and in my opinion they should end it.

LOL...Now the anti-Ford guys want ford to get fired like private sector. Yes same idiots who complain about Private sector...And we want same treatment to Union workers who are incompetent. But they cant get fired otherwise the Union holds the people or tax payers hostages.
The idiot keep on posting that Ford is taking the land. How dumb you have to be to post it again and again like its a fact. The other one keeps on posting Ford Robbed the reporter. In fact the reality is Dan is wuss.

"How is that 'one of the greatest mayors in Toronto'? "
Yep, Only Miller is greatest (Socialist, supporting Hostage takers) Mayor right?:razz:

[Piro21]

LOL...Now the anti-Ford guys want ford to get fired like private sector. Yes same idiots who complain about Private sector...And we want same treatment to Union workers who are incompetent. But they cant get fired otherwise the Union holds the people or tax payers hostages.
The idiot keep on posting that Ford is taking the land. How dumb you have to be to post it again and again like its a fact. The other one keeps on posting Ford Robbed the reporter. In fact the reality is Dan is wuss.

"How is that 'one of the greatest mayors in Toronto'? "
Yep, Only Miller is greatest (Socialist, supporting Hostage takers) Mayor right?:razz:

The victim complex here has become so strong it's garbled the words. I can barely understand half of this post. I'll respond to what I got from it:

A) Ford robbed the guy. He threatened him with force on public land, took his property, and hasn't returned it. By any definition this is robbery. Ford knew the guy, and still chose to attack him. Face it, if the guy had stood his ground and knocked Ford on his ***** instead of running you'd be here screaming how the poor victim of a mayor got attacked on public property.

B) When did I mention Miller (or anyone but Lastman) in that post? Were my facts wrong? The Sheppard line still doesn't even come close to paying for itself, and is generally regarded as a failure. Naming a square after yourself while serving as mayor is also one of the most self-aggrandizing things any politician has done in this country.

C) Ford is the only one who will be allowed to bid on land owned by every one of us, with only people from a board he used to be a member of left to determine 'market' value. He won't pat actual market value because there is no market. Nobody is allowed to submit a competing bid for that land. It's basically Ford's "why aren't city contracts open to bids from all comers?" argument with him taking the role of the 'gravy train' public employee who abuses the system for his own gain.

[vero95]

The irony though, is that if this were Florida (or any Stand You Ground Law State), the reporter could have shot and killed Rob Ford, as Rob Ford was the one threatening violence to a person that was on public property. It would have been easy to justify, considering that the reporter is like 150 lbs and Rob Ford weighs over 300 lbs.

in Florida, Rob would not even run to him :facepalm:
remember that the dude's head was bobbing up and down :D

[vero95]

I understand how Ford could be annoyed by this, but saying he was "victimized" by this is a bit much.

If the account by the Star reporter is true, it would seem much more like he was the victim, and Ford was the aggressor.

LOL how Ford could be an aggressor? if the reporter was not there and wasn't spying on him, he would not have been asked to leave. get the facts straight
Rob was a victim of the invasion of privacy. they guy was spying on him from the back of his house. that's not the piece of land the dude wanted to write about. it was on the opposite side of the house
Rob is clearly a victim

[Piro21]

LOL how Ford could be an aggressor? if the reporter was not there and wasn't spying on him, he would not have been asked to leave. get the facts straight
Rob was a victim of the invasion of privacy. they guy was spying on him from the back of his house. that's not the piece of land the dude wanted to write about. it was on the opposite side of the house
Rob is clearly a victim

How was the guy spying on him if only the top of his head was visible from his position on public land? Even your paranoid conspiracy theories aren't making sense, man. And the reporter wasn't asked to leave, he was threatened with violence and had his phone stolen. Ford wasn't a victim, he was the aggressor.

[CDNPatriot]

remember that the dude's head was bobbing up and down :D

Careful vero this is a family thread, and we don't need to hear about your experiences over the weekend.

[BornRuff]

LOL how Ford could be an aggressor? if the reporter was not there and wasn't spying on him, he would not have been asked to leave. get the facts straight
Rob was a victim of the invasion of privacy. they guy was spying on him from the back of his house. that's not the piece of land the dude wanted to write about. it was on the opposite side of the house
Rob is clearly a victim

Do you understand what the word aggressor means?

"a person, group, or nation that attacks first or initiates hostilities; an assailant or invader."

Sure, the altercation could not have happened had Dale not been there, but that does not mean he was the aggressor. No altercation can occur without both parties being present.

The only thing that has been proven is that Dale was standing in a public park. That is a perfectly legal act that is not in any way aggressive.

There is no evidence that he was taking pictures over the fence. If he was doing so, there would be hard evidence of that on the camera phone that Ford and the police had in their possession. We know that Ford was able to charge and use the phone, since he used it to make phone calls after the incident. Does it not make sense that he would check the pictures on the phone to see if there were any of his house, and if he found any pictures like that, do you not think that he would have made noise about it? Since when has Ford ever shown an inclination to be quiet about something like that?

Not even Ford claims that this guy did anything aggressive towards him. If the way that Ford responded was reported accurately, and lets face it, knowing Rob and seeing his reactions afterwards, it is not a stretch by any means, then he would be the aggressor in this situation.

[CDNPatriot]

Very strange that Ford would object to releasing the contents on the phone.

Makes no sense, unless there is nothing on there to verify his story.


Do you understand what the word aggressor means?

"a person, group, or nation that attacks first or initiates hostilities; an assailant or invader."

Sure, the altercation could not have happened had Dale not been there, but that does not mean he was the aggressor. No altercation can occur without both parties being present.

The only thing that has been proven is that Dale was standing in a public park. That is a perfectly legal act that is not in any way aggressive.

There is no evidence that he was taking pictures over the fence. If he was doing so, there would be hard evidence of that on the camera phone that Ford and the police had in their possession. We know that Ford was able to charge and use the phone, since he used it to make phone calls after the incident. Does it not make sense that he would check the pictures on the phone to see if there were any of his house, and if he found any pictures like that, do you not think that he would have made noise about it? Since when has Ford ever shown an inclination to be quiet about something like that?

Not even Ford claims that this guy did anything aggressive towards him. If the way that Ford responded was reported accurately, and lets face it, knowing Rob and seeing his reactions afterwards, it is not a stretch by any means, then he would be the aggressor in this situation.

[BornRuff]

Very strange that Ford would object to releasing the contents on the phone.

Makes no sense, unless there is nothing on there to verify his story.

That is what I think. If there was anything incriminating in the phone, we would have heard all about it.

[stuntman]

That is what I think. If there was anything incriminating in the phone, we would have heard all about it.

Or it could have been a case of they both would have ended up being charged.

[vero95]

Do you understand what the word aggressor means?

"a person, group, or nation that attacks first or initiates hostilities; an assailant or invader."

Sure, the altercation could not have happened had Dale not been there, but that does not mean he was the aggressor. No altercation can occur without both parties being present.

The only thing that has been proven is that Dale was standing in a public park. That is a perfectly legal act that is not in any way aggressive.

There is no evidence that he was taking pictures over the fence. If he was doing so, there would be hard evidence of that on the camera phone that Ford and the police had in their possession. We know that Ford was able to charge and use the phone, since he used it to make phone calls after the incident. Does it not make sense that he would check the pictures on the phone to see if there were any of his house, and if he found any pictures like that, do you not think that he would have made noise about it? Since when has Ford ever shown an inclination to be quiet about something like that?

Not even Ford claims that this guy did anything aggressive towards him. If the way that Ford responded was reported accurately, and lets face it, knowing Rob and seeing his reactions afterwards, it is not a stretch by any means, then he would be the aggressor in this situation.

looks like you do not understand the definition of the aggresor you quoted. answer yourself the question who invaded who (who was the invader) and you will know who was the aggressor :facepalm:
LOL funny you want Rob to release the content of the dude's phone. then what? you create a thread that he robbed his cell and invaded his privacy by posting the pics on th internet :facepalm:
Rob did the right thing and gave everything to police

[CDNPatriot]

Vero how about you send your kid to come to my house, not on my property but just to stand on the surrounding property. I will mug him and take his cell phone. And then when you whine about it, I'll remind you of what you just said.


looks like you do not understand the definition of the aggresor you quoted. answer yourself the question who invaded who and you will know who was the aggressor :facepalm:
LOL funny you want Rob to release the content of the dude's phone. then what? you create a thread that he robbed his cell and invaded his privacy by posting the pics on th internet :facepalm:
Rob did the right thing and gave everything to police

[Siskie]

Vero how about you send your kid to come to my house, not on my property but just to stand on the surrounding property. I will mug him and take his cell phone. And then when you whine about it, I'll remind you of what you just said.

how about we stalk you everyday and post your family life on the front page of the Toronto Star?

[vero95]

Vero how about you send your kid to come to my house, not on my property but just to stand on the surrounding property. I will mug him and take his cell phone. And then when you whine about it, I'll remind you of what you just said.

therefore my son would never do it :facepalm:
he is not an idiot :facepalm:

[BornRuff]

how about we stalk you everyday and post your family life on the front page of the Toronto Star?

If I took a high profile political position like the Mayor of Toronto, I would not be surprised that I would be subject to media scrutiny.

[BornRuff]

looks like you do not understand the definition of the aggresor you quoted. answer yourself the question who invaded who (who was the invader) and you will know who was the aggressor :facepalm:
LOL funny you want Rob to release the content of the dude's phone. then what? you create a thread that he robbed his cell and invaded his privacy by posting the pics on th internet :facepalm:
Rob did the right thing and gave everything to police

He was in a public park. He never "invaded" anything. How do you think that is the case?

I never said he should be posting his personal emails online or anything, but if there were pictures of Fords home or family on the phone, nobody would think that telling people that, or even showing the pictures, was an invasion of Dale's privacy.

When Ford gave his security camera footage to the cops, he told the press what he claimed was on the tape(images of Dale's head bobbing up and down over the fence). Since we know that Ford(or someone else that Ford let access the phone) used the phone, why would he act differently and not say if he thought there was damning evidence on the phone?

[Siskie]

If I took a high profile political position like the Mayor of Toronto, I would not be surprised that I would be subject to media scrutiny.

So why didn't the Toronto Star stalk David Miller and Mel Lastman during their tenures? Are the Toronto Star and the social nazis of Toronto just butthurt that taxpayers finally got tired of them leeching our tax dollars away and destroying the city? (e.g. smelly garbage strike that likely leaked tons of toxic crap into lake ontario and the city's waterbed)

[vero95]

He was in a public park. He never "invaded" anything. How do you think that is the case?

I never said he should be posting his personal emails online or anything, but if there were pictures of Fords home or family on the phone, nobody would think that telling people that, or even showing the pictures, was an invasion of Dale's privacy.

When Ford gave his security camera footage to the cops, he told the press what he claimed was on the tape(images of Dale's head bobbing up and down over the fence). Since we know that Ford(or someone else that Ford let access the phone) used the phone, why would he act differently and not say if he thought there was damning evidence on the phone?

he can talk about his camera footage because it's his footage and his camera. he never said that he went through the pics on dude's cell phone. that could be a subject of your new thread, no? do not bs me it would not
let me reitarate what many people were telling you: it's normal to ask the dude to leave if you see him in the back of your house. it's really dumb to insist there was nothing to worry about

[BornRuff]

he can talk about his camera footage because it's his footage and his camera. he never said that he went through the pics on dude's cell phone. that could be a subject of your new thread, no? do not bs me it would not
let me reitarate what many people were telling you: it's normal to ask the dude to leave if you see him in the back of your house. it's really dumb to insist there was nothing to worry about

We are perfectly in agreement on that. The problem is that is not all that happened. There was some sort of altercation that left Ford in a very sweaty and angry state, and resulted him calling a media circus to his house, and trying to dictate who can cover city hall events.

He never said he went through the guys pictures, but we know he was calling people on the phone, and we know he thinks that Dale was spying on him, so why wouldn't you assume that he looked to see if he was taking pictures of his house or family?

[NorthYorker]

So why didn't the Toronto Star stalk David Miller and Mel Lastman during their tenures? You are either too little to remember or have memory problems. Lastman had been hounded to no end and Royson James basically built his career btching about Miller.

[Piro21]

he can talk about his camera footage because it's his footage and his camera. he never said that he went through the pics on dude's cell phone. that could be a subject of your new thread, no? do not bs me it would not
let me reitarate what many people were telling you: it's normal to ask the dude to leave if you see him in the back of your house. it's really dumb to insist there was nothing to worry about

I know whenever I ask a dude to leave a public park near my house I try to fight him and steal his cell.

[vero95]

We are perfectly in agreement on that. The problem is that is not all that happened. There was some sort of altercation that left Ford in a very sweaty and angry state, and resulted him calling a media circus to his house, and trying to dictate who can cover city hall events.?
after he recognized the star reporter and knowing what bs the star writes about him, do you expect Ford to think it was a friendly visit? :facepalm:
not sure why you blame Ford for being angry



He never said he went through the guys pictures, but we know he was calling people on the phone, and we know he thinks that Dale was spying on him, so why wouldn't you assume that he looked to see if he was taking pictures of his house or family?
do not assume so much. if you want to say something, find the facts and use them. how many times have I told you that :facepalm:

[BornRuff]

So why didn't the Toronto Star stalk David Miller and Mel Lastman during their tenures? Are the Toronto Star and the social nazis of Toronto just butthurt that taxpayers finally got tired of them leeching our tax dollars away and destroying the city? (e.g. smelly garbage strike that likely leaked tons of toxic crap into lake ontario and the city's waterbed)

If by stalking you mean reporting on them, then yes, they did report on both of those guys. Those guys simply didn't have such a huge victim complex and cry that they were being attacked every time the Star reported on them.

[BornRuff]

after he recognized the star reporter and knowing what bs the star writes about him, do you expect Ford to think it was a friendly visit? :facepalm:
not sure why you blame Ford for being angry


do not assume so much. if you want to say something, find the facts and use them. how many times have I told you that :facepalm:

Lol, that is exactly what I am saying Ford should be doing. He assumes that the guy was taking pictures of him/his family over the fence. He had the guys camera in his possession. All he has to do is look to see if he actually took any pictures of his back yard, family, etc. How hard is that?

I blame him for handling this whole thing in the least mature way possible.

[vero95]

Lol, that is exactly what I am saying Ford should be doing. He assumes that the guy was taking pictures of him/his family over the fence. He had the guys camera in his possession. All he has to do is look to see if he actually took any pictures of his back yard, family, etc. How hard is that?

I blame him for handling this whole thing in the least mature way possible.

LOL great do not vote for him if you blame him for anything :D
he does not have to share with you if he looked at pics or not. why don;t you understand that?
btw, when Rob asked him to leave he did not assume anything. he saw the guy whom he knew as unfriendly reporter and that's not an assumption. you keep making assumptions and telling people bs

[CDNPatriot]

:facepalm:

vero have you heard about the freedom of the press concept? Obviously not!


after he recognized the star reporter and knowing what bs the star writes about him, do you expect Ford to think it was a friendly visit? :facepalm:
not sure why you blame Ford for being angry


do not assume so much. if you want to say something, find the facts and use them. how many times have I told you that :facepalm:

[Piro21]

LOL great do not vote for him if you blame him for anything :D
he does not have to share with you if he looked at pics or not. why don;t you understand that?
btw, when Rob asked him to leave he did not assume anything. he saw the guy whom he knew as unfriendly reporter and that's not an assumption. you keep making assumptions and telling people bs

And he then chose to rob the guy and go through his phone.

[BornRuff]

LOL great do not vote for him if you blame him for anything :D
he does not have to share with you if he looked at pics or not. why don;t you understand that?
btw, when Rob asked him to leave he did not assume anything. he saw the guy whom he knew as unfriendly reporter and that's not an assumption. you keep making assumptions and telling people bs

Asking someone to do anything is not an assumption, it is a question. Why do you seem to have such trouble with words?

He has explicitly said that the guy was spying on him and taking pictures over his fence. That is an assumption. He could easily prove that since he had the guys phone in his possession.

[vero95]

And he then chose to rob the guy and go through his phone.

I know it should really be a security guy do that. Rob tries to save money for the city but he is wrong on this point
I will tell Rob to get some security :)

[Drew87]

I'm surprised this level of obvious trolling and baiting is allowed....

you guys need to stop acting like you give a crap about Ford or any of these stories and just admit you're trolling and have sad lives...

This isn't a "discussion".

[Piro21]

I know it should really be a security guy do that. Rob tries to save money for the city but he is wrong on this point
I will tell Rob to get some security :)

I knew you were his wife all along. Or is it Doug?

[vero95]

Asking someone to do anything is not an assumption, it is a question. Why do you seem to have such trouble with words?

He has explicitly said that the guy was spying on him and taking pictures over his fence. That is an assumption. He could easily prove that since he had the guys phone in his possession.

here is an example when you assume things ;)


He never said he went through the guys pictures, but we know he was calling people on the phone, and we know he thinks that Dale was spying on him, so why wouldn't you assume that he looked to see if he was taking pictures of his house or family?

[sam123]

It's unfortunate that the rest of the world looks for sensational schite to entertain their readers.
It's unfortunate that Mr. Ford seems to fit the bill for the moment. Hopefully it'll pass and Mr. Ford will step up and be the Mayor Toronto needs. Hope springs eternal.

The first seven posts were on a reasonable topic ................. then it became a rehash of an older, very boring thread.

[BornRuff]

here is an example when you assume things ;)

Good job, you are able to recognize the word "assume".

That doesn't change the fact that this whole thing is based on assumptions made by Ford about what the guy was doing back there, which can be easily confirmed or denied based on what is on the phone. If he didn't go through the phone, the police would have, and they would have told Ford if there was anything on there.

If Ford has given detailed descriptions of all the other "evidence" that he has against Dale, why would he stay mum on this? It is because there is nothing on there.

[CDNPatriot]

Ford is a hypocrite. He celebrates freedom of the press day. But vows to not speak to the press if the Toronto Star is present.

http://www.thestar.com/news/cityhallpolitics/article/1174664--mayor-rob-ford-marks-world-press-freedom-week

This is what Rob Ford aka hypocrite said:

“The day serves as a reminder of violations of press freedom that occur in countries around the world, where journalists, editors, publishers are harassed, detained, attacked and killed,” Ford said.

"The day is also an opportunity to join with media professionals worldwide to reaffirm the need to respect press freedom and remember those who have lost their lives while on the job.”

He received a certificate of appreciation from Thomas Saras, the council president, who told the gathering that 106 journalists were killed last year and more than 100 others were attacked, intimidated, arrested or wounded.

After Ford’s speech, reporters asked him about the event and other issues but he walked into an elevator without comment.



http://i.thestar.com/images/66/69/ffc696a34f9b92e95c2eec8641a7.jpg

[BornRuff]

Ford is a hypocrite. He celebrates freedom of the press day. But vows to not speak to the press if the Toronto Star is present.

http://www.thestar.com/news/cityhallpolitics/article/1174664--mayor-rob-ford-marks-world-press-freedom-week

This is what Rob Ford aka hypocrite said:

“The day serves as a reminder of violations of press freedom that occur in countries around the world, where journalists, editors, publishers are harassed, detained, attacked and killed,” Ford said.

"The day is also an opportunity to join with media professionals worldwide to reaffirm the need to respect press freedom and remember those who have lost their lives while on the job.”

He received a certificate of appreciation from Thomas Saras, the council president, who told the gathering that 106 journalists were killed last year and more than 100 others were attacked, intimidated, arrested or wounded.

After Ford’s speech, reporters asked him about the event and other issues but he walked into an elevator without comment.



http://i.thestar.com/images/66/69/ffc696a34f9b92e95c2eec8641a7.jpg

I literally laughed out loud when I read that. I had to hold back a lot not to start a thread for this. If there had not been so many Ford threads already, this would certainly deserve some attention.

Can't believe that he accepts an award for related to press freedom and then refuses to speak to the press because the guy he doesn't like is in the scrum.

[LostInTruth]

North American embarrassment.

[vero95]

the star is turning toronto into embarassment

[vero95]

I literally laughed out loud when I read that. I had to hold back a lot not to start a thread for this. If there had not been so many Ford threads already, this would certainly deserve some attention.

Can't believe that he accepts an award for related to press freedom and then refuses to speak to the press because the guy he doesn't like is in the scrum.

I do not understand why you were laughing. if you think Ford did not deserve the reward, he should be laughing, no?
imo he deserves the reward for putting up with the star and the globe and mail reporters. do you remember John Barber calling him "fat f**k"?

[Piro21]

I do not understand why you were laughing. if you think Ford did not deserve the reward, he should be laughing, no?
imo he deserves the reward for putting up with the star and the globe and mail reporters. do you remember John Barber calling him "fat f**k"?

Celebrating press freedom and mourning reporters who are attacked worldwide for doing their jobs just days after Ford attacked a reporter for doing his job and tries to shut out the press? No irony here.

I don't know why you keep bringing up imaginary insults like they're supposed to mean something, either.

[MrBriggs]

I do not understand why you were laughing. if you think Ford did not deserve the reward, he should be laughing, no?
imo he deserves the reward for putting up with the star and the globe and mail reporters. do you remember John Barber calling him "fat f**k"?

I don't remember that. Where did you see this happening?

[NorthYorker]

do you remember John Barber calling him "fat f**k"?What proof do you have, except words of serial liar Ford?

[vero95]

I don't remember that. Where did you see this happening?


What proof do you have, except words of serial liar Ford?

the proof is the video plus Ford plus Mammoliti :facepalm:
I would not call Ford liar, comrade. you confused Rob with Dalton

[sam123]

What proof do you have, except words of serial liar Ford?

And of course the ever honest sidekick Mr. Mammoliti who first raised this. I for one believe everything Ponco and Cisco say. ;)

[sam123]

the proof is the video plus Ford plus Mammoliti :facepalm:

I viewed the video a number of times and think it was a burp that caused his jaw to twitch. Maybe something disagreed with him.

[manmanny]

What proof do you have, except words of serial liar Ford?

really? You want proof now. How "Educated fail" you have to be? Did your Google died, you liar?

Why the reporters even think they are better than others?

[manmanny]

I can't believe Star has made me read National Post again. At least the headlines. Its funny though.
"Toronto Star takes the weekend off, forgets to hound Rob Ford"

"Something weird happened at the Toronto Star over the weekend. They suddenly shut up about Rob Ford."

[vero95]

And of course the ever honest sidekick Mr. Mammoliti who first raised this. I for one believe everything Ponco and Cisco say. ;)


I viewed the video a number of times and think it was a burp that caused his jaw to twitch. Maybe something disagreed with him.

LOL
so you are saying Giorgio made it up :facepalm:
the problem with lefties is they never know what's happening around them. therefore they have so many problems with money wasting. they do not know about it until they are told

[MrBriggs]

the proof is the video plus Ford plus Mammoliti :facepalm:
I would not call Ford liar, comrade. you confused Rob with Dalton

Oh, you mean this? where you can't see or hear the reporter say anything?

http://i45.tinypic.com/2iqg2uc.jpg

No, I'm serious, do you have any proof that the reporter said that?

[vero95]

Oh, you mean this? where you can't see or hear the reporter say anything?

No, I'm serious, do you have any proof that the reporter said that?

you can't hear someone by watching pictures :facepalm:
I already told you to watch his jaws movements. there are also two witnesses plus Barber did not deny it when asked why he called Rob "fat f**k"

[MrBriggs]

you can't hear someone by watching pictures :facepalm:
I already told you to watch his jaws movements. there are also two witnesses plus Barber did not deny it when asked why he called Rob "fat f**k"

I see the movement of his jaws. Can you prove to me that he didn't say "Great Scott"? No, you can't.

[vero95]

I see the movement of his jaws. Can you prove to me that he didn't say "Great Scott"? No, you can't.

yeah, Mammoliti and Ford are the best proof for you
and didn't I say Barber did not deny it? :facepalm:

[vero95]

Good job, you are able to recognize the word "assume".

That doesn't change the fact that this whole thing is based on assumptions made by Ford about what the guy was doing back there, which can be easily confirmed or denied based on what is on the phone. If he didn't go through the phone, the police would have, and they would have told Ford if there was anything on there.

If Ford has given detailed descriptions of all the other "evidence" that he has against Dale, why would he stay mum on this? It is because there is nothing on there.

what other evidence do you need? wasn't Dale in the back of his house spying on Ford? wasn't Ford notified by his neighbour that someone is moving around his house
do you need an affidavit from the neighbour? what else do you need from Rob?
if you want more info from police, talk to police. wtf do you want from Rob?

[FrogPrince]

Toronto was an embarrassment long before Ford came along.

[MrBriggs]

yeah, Mammoliti and Ford are the best proof for you
and didn't I say Barber did not deny it? :facepalm:

Who the hell would trust on Mammoliti's or Ford's word?
Also, he didn't deny but he didn't confirm also. Denying don't mean a thing. Ford, for example, denied he was arrested in Florida, then denied he had weed, etc, all false. That also proves that Ford's word is worthless.

[MrBriggs]

what other evidence do you need? wasn't Dale in the back of his house spying on Ford?

No. Was he? Do you have any proof of that?

[vero95]

Who the hell would trust on Mammoliti's or Ford's word?

voters :facepalm:


Also, he didn't deny but he didn't confirm also. Denying don't mean a thing. Ford, for example, denied he was arrested in Florida, then denied he had weed, etc, all false. That also proves that Ford's word is worthless.

denying may mean nothing but he was not denying. he realized he said too much and tried to run away

[vero95]

No. Was he? Do you have any proof of that?

I am not going to show you the pic where he was caught. find it :facepalm:

[NorthYorker]

yeah, Mammoliti and Ford are the best proof for youThank you. This would be very same Ford who just recently lied about trespassing on his property, would it? Thank you for confirmation that you have nothing but a liar's statement to back up your claim. I dunno if the liar was telling the truth this time, and neither do you.
really? You want proof now. How "Educated fail" you have to be?I'm sorry, manmanny, for asking. I really am. It is sad to see humans react to simple question the way you do.

[vero95]

Thank you. This would be very same Ford who just recently lied about trespassing on his property, would it? Thank you for confirmation that you have nothing but a liar's statement to back up your claim.

show me where Ford was saying about trespassing on his property :facepalm:
the anger messed up your little head, comrade

[NorthYorker]

show me where Ford was saying about trespassing on his property :facepalm:
the anger messed up your little head, comradehttp://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/203691--police-called-after-reports-of-trespasser-at-mayor-ford-s-home

Speaking outside his Etobicoke home, Ford told reporters the man he saw in his backyard was Toronto Star reporter Daniel Dale.

[BornRuff]

what other evidence do you need? wasn't Dale in the back of his house spying on Ford? wasn't Ford notified by his neighbour that someone is moving around his house
do you need an affidavit from the neighbour? what else do you need from Rob?
if you want more info from police, talk to police. wtf do you want from Rob?

Ford assumes he was spying on him, but all we know is that he was standing in a public park near his house.

If Ford thinks he was taking pictures over the fence, why are there no pictures?

[vero95]

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/203691--police-called-after-reports-of-trespasser-at-mayor-ford-s-home

isn;t what the neighbour told ROb?

Police were called to Mayor Rob Ford’s home Wednesday night, when neighbours told the mayor they spotted a man allegedly trespassing in his backyard.

[vero95]

Ford assumes he was spying on him, but all we know is that he was standing in a public park near his house.

If Ford thinks he was taking pictures over the fence, why are there no pictures?

do you understand that he did not have to take any pictures and yet be asked to leave :facepalm:
it's really dumb to insist that if there are no pics, he was allowed to do whatever he wanted. do you understand that pics are irrelevant?

[BornRuff]

do you understand that he did not have to take any pictures and yet be asked to leave :facepalm:
it's really dumb to insist that if there are no pics, he was allowed to do whatever he wanted. do you understand that pics are irrelevant?

I have said numerous times that asking him to leave was the right thing to do.

Running at him and making a big scene was what I have an issue with.

When did I ever say that he was allowed to do whatever he wanted? Ford explicitly said that he thought he was spying on his family by taking pictures over his back fence. If that is what happened, there would be proof on the camera. Case closed.

He certainly is more than within his rights to do a story about the park land adjacent to Ford's house though.

[vero95]

I have said numerous times that asking him to leave was the right thing to do.

Running at him and making a big scene was what I have an issue with.

When did I ever say that he was allowed to do whatever he wanted? Ford explicitly said that he thought he was spying on his family by taking pictures over his back fence. If that is what happened, there would be proof on the camera. Case closed.

He certainly is more than within his rights to do a story about the park land adjacent to Ford's house though.

stop worrying about it. next time the star wants to write a report about Ford's castle I am sure they will call and let him know
btw, I would rather see how previous mayors are living. it would be interesting to see their houses, no? do you think the star will be able to write an article like that?

[NorthYorker]

isn;t what the neighbour told ROb?So? You've asked me for proof, I showed it to you.

[BornRuff]

stop worrying about it. next time the star wants to write a report about Ford's castle I am sure they will call and let him know
btw, I would rather see how previous mayors are living. it would be interesting to see their houses, no? do you think the star will be able to write an article like that?

Sure. Why not?

[vero95]

So? You've asked me for proof, I showed it to you.

so I am asking how was he lying if he repeated what the neighbour told him :facepalm:

[CDNPatriot]

Ford refuses again to release the tapes. Either Ford is an idiot for not releasing the tapes or he is a liar that broke the law a number of different ways including starting a bogus police investigation.


so I am asking how was he lying if he repeated what the neighbour told him :facepalm:

[vero95]

Ford refuses again to release the tapes. Either Ford is an idiot for not releasing the tapes or he is a liar that broke the law a number of different ways including starting a bogus police investigation.

you mean you asked him again on rfd and he refused? :D

[hdave]

Ford refuses again to release the tapes. Either Ford is an idiot for not releasing the tapes or he is a liar that broke the law a number of different ways including starting a bogus police investigation.


He just didn't release it to the media.
He DID release it to the police

[BornRuff]

He just didn't release it to the media.
He DID release it to the police

Who did not charge Dale with anything.

[manmanny]

And even Mayor Ford is not charged with mugging/robbing Dan, as suggested here...again and again.

I say again charge Mayor Ford with using stolen property and get it over with. Or get back to journalism.

[vero95]

And even Mayor Ford is not charged with mugging/robbing Dan, as suggested here...again and again.

I say again charge Mayor Ford with using stolen property and get it over with. Or get back to journalism.

yeah, the taxpayers will gladly pay for all those idiotic suits against the mayor :facepalm:

[vero95]

the results of voting are a bit surprising and contradict Ford's approval ratings

A new poll by the firm Forum Research shows that Mr. Ford’s support has climbed from 41% in March to 47% as of this week. It is the highest he has been since June of last year, when a poll by the same firm showed him at 57%.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/04/20/mayor-rob-ford-sees-bump-in-approval-ratings-new-poll-says/

I guess lefties must have used all their phony accounts to get the results they wished :facepalm:

[flashy_mcflash]

Hey, good for him for the improvement.

However, it should be noted that "Miller Time" was over, according to Ipsos-Reid (http://www.ipsos-na.com/news-polls/pressrelease.aspx?id=4442), when he hit 43%, and that wasn't until after the 2008 strike (Miller had approval ratings from 60-70% throughout his term). Ford isn't that far away and he's barely halfway through his term.

[vero95]

Hey, good for him for the improvement.

However, it should be noted that "Miller Time" was over, according to Ipsos-Reid (http://www.ipsos-na.com/news-polls/pressrelease.aspx?id=4442), when he hit 43%, and that wasn't until after the 2008 strike (Miller had approval ratings from 60-70% throughout his term). Ford isn't that far away and he's barely halfway through his term.

Ford was never as low as Miller was, no?

Toronto Residents Signal Miller Time is Over: Mayor David Miller’s Approval Rating Plummets From 69% in 2005 to 43% Today as Majority (57%) Says City on Wrong Track
http://www.ipsos-na.com/news-polls/pressrelease.aspx?id=4442

and I think you are wrong with 43% during the strike. it went down to 29%

An Ipsos-Reid poll conducted shortly after the strike ended showed that Miller's popularity plummeted to an all-time low of just 29 percent.
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/57543--miller-s-popularity-hits-all-time-low

anyway, whatever you are saying to degrade Rob's popularity the discrepancy between Ford's rating and voting in this thread shows this thread does not reflect what people really think about him

[flashy_mcflash]

You are misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm simply saying that Ford's popularity is, even after the increase, not that far away from when Ipsos declared that Miller Time is over. That's all.

[NorthYorker]

Speaking about the Mayor and media, this recent NP article is practically dripping with sarcasm: Rob Ford celebrates World Press Freedom Day, does not take reporters’ questions. (http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/07/rob-ford-celebrates-world-press-freedom-day-does-not-take-reporters-questions/) And that's NP, folks, the most Ford-friendly non-tabloid outlet.

[vero95]

You are misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm simply saying that Ford's popularity is, even after the increase, not that far away from when Ipsos declared that Miller Time is over. That's all.

possibly I misunderstood what you were saying. so you are saying that when Miller's popularity plummeted to 29% and 79% agreed it's time for a new mayor it was still not far away from Ford's 47%


An Ipsos-Reid poll conducted shortly after the strike ended showed that Miller's popularity plummeted to an all-time low of just 29 percent. Twenty-five percent still declared him a great leader, while a more monumental 79% agreed it's time for a new mayor.

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/57543--miller-s-popularity-hits-all-time-low


I agree that I have problem with understandig your posts. they just do not make any sense and that's the reason :D
do you understand what you are saying? just curious

[CDNPatriot]

Vero this thread is about Rob Ford not Miller. If you want to talk about Miller we might as well start talking about ultra right wing Neo Nazi leaders as well.

Rob Ford has some obvious issues. Please watch this video and come back to tell us that this guy is fit to lead a city.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOi2wIUCTnA




possibly I misunderstood what you were saying. so you are saying that when Miller's popularity plummeted to 29% and 79% agreed it's time for a new mayor it was still not far away from Ford's 47%


http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/57543--miller-s-popularity-hits-all-time-low


I agree that I have problem with understandig your posts. they just do not make any sense and that's the reason :D
do you understand what you are saying? just curious

[flashy_mcflash]

possibly I misunderstood what you were saying. so you are saying that when Miller's popularity plummeted to 29% and 79% agreed it's time for a new mayor it was still not far away from Ford's 47%


No. That is barely a sentence, much less my point. Please try an ESL class.

Let's try this:

There was a point where Miller's popularity was 43% (Y/N)
There was a point where Ford's popularity was 43% (Y/N)

Vero this thread is about Rob Ford not Miller. If you want to talk about Miller we might as well start talking about ultra right wing Neo Nazi leaders as well.


To be fair, I brought up Miller. However, I assumed that vero understood enough English to at least understand, if not agree with, the point I was making. Next time I will post it in vero's native tongue, Mumblican.

[AudiDude]

just saying Mel lastman was laughed at internationally also....but guess what...he did his job and prob one of the greatest mayors in Toronto.

Sure, Miller was loved internationally....but he had his hands in my pocket like I was his sugar daddy.

I could care less if ppl like Ford or not, just control the spending.

What he said surrounded by gold stars^^.

Ronald Reagan was President and we've got Chris Farley.

[vero95]

Vero this thread is about Rob Ford not Miller. If you want to talk about Miller we might as well start talking about ultra right wing Neo Nazi leaders as well.

Rob Ford has some obvious issues. Please watch this video and come back to tell us that this guy is fit to lead a city.



I did not start with Miller. it was flashy who like you would do anything to devalue Ford :facepalm:

[vero95]

No. That is barely a sentence, much less my point. Please try an ESL class.

Let's try this:

There was a point where Miller's popularity was 43% (Y/N)
There was a point where Ford's popularity was 43% (Y/N)


To be fair, I brought up Miller. However, I assumed that vero understood enough English to at least understand, if not agree with, the point I was making. Next time I will post it in vero's native tongue, Mumblican.

there was a point when you had a chance to get education and we know how it ended up :facepalm:

let's analyze what you said

You are misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm simply saying that Ford's popularity is, even after the increase, not that far away from when Ipsos declared that Miller Time is over. That's all.
Ford's popularity is at 47%
Miller's popularity was 29% when Ipsos declared his time is over
for you 29 =~ 47 :facepalm:

[flashy_mcflash]

let's analyze what you said

Ford's popularity is at 47%
Miller's popularity was 29% when Ipsos declared his time is over
for you 29 =~ 47 :facepalm:

WRONG, and once again COMPLETELY missing the point.

Yes, Miller's rating hit 29%. I never said 43% was his low point. However, in the article I linked, Ipsos was saying his time was over when he hit 43%, which is close to 47%.

Seriously, were you home-schooled by wolves or something? This is not a difficult point to grasp.

[NorthYorker]

Please watch this video and come back to tell us that this guy is fit to lead a city.As much as I consider Ford unfit for a position, this video is irrelevant without context. He's filibustering here, and it might be as much a tactical move as a genuine outburst. I'm sure other councillors of both left and right inclination used this tactic.
This is not a difficult point to grasp.For you it is not.

[vero95]

WRONG, and once again COMPLETELY missing the point.

Yes, Miller's rating hit 29%. I never said that was his low point. However, in the article I linked, Ipsos was saying his time was over when he hit 43%, which is close to 47%.

Seriously, were you home-schooled by wolves or something? This is not a difficult point to grasp.

saying that city is on the wrong track does not mean his time is over, no?
his time was over after it went down to 29% after the strike. he did not learn from his mistakes. can you?

[NorthYorker]

his time was over after it went down to 29%This is not what your article (http://www.ipsos-na.com/news-polls/pressrelease.aspx?id=4442) said. It considered 43% to be a sign of loser. Ford had 41% less than two months ago. Numbers speak.

[flashy_mcflash]

saying that city is on the wrong track does not mean his time is over, no?
his time was over after it went down to 29% after the strike. he did not learn from his mistakes. can you?

Oh lord, I'm done. You are not of sufficient intelligence for this. Glad that everyone else seems to have gotten what I'm driving at.

[BornRuff]

saying that city is on the wrong track does not mean his time is over, no?
his time was over after it went down to 29% after the strike. he did not learn from his mistakes. can you?

It's in the damn headline. How dumb are you?

http://www.ipsos-na.com/news-polls/pressrelease.aspx?id=4442

[vero95]

Oh lord, I'm done. You are not of sufficient intelligence for this. Glad that everyone else seems to have gotten what I'm driving at.


However, in the article I linked, Ipsos was saying his time was over when he hit 43%, which is close to 47%.


by everyone else you mean your buddy :facepalm:
I went though the aricle you linked and did not found those Ipsos was saying his time was over. Ipsos was saying he is on wrong track

[flashy_mcflash]

by everyone else you mean your buddy :facepalm:
I went though the aricle you linked and did not found those ipsos was saying his time was over. Ipsos was saying he is on wrong track

Learn english, the world begs you.


Toronto Residents Signal Miller Time Is Over

I seriously wonder, vero, if you are really this ignorant, simply trolling, or what.

[vero95]

Learn english, the world begs you.

OK I got it. nice sidetracking ;)
still it's Ipsos' interpretation. residents were saying he is on wrong track, no?

[NorthYorker]

OK I got it.Man, it took 1/2 day of collective effort to push a single fact in your cranium. I shudder....

[flashy_mcflash]

It would've been a two post discussion if you'd been able to read the f'n headline :lol:

[vero95]

It would've been a two post discussion if you'd been able to read the f'n headline :lol:

it could've if you hadn;t confused me with posts like this one


There was a point where Miller's popularity was 43% (Y/N)
There was a point where Ford's popularity was 43% (Y/N)

[flashy_mcflash]

Bro, you were confused long before that.

[hagbard]

No....been that long before he arrive. :razz:

[vero95]

Bro, you were confused long before that.

anyone could be confused by the lack of your logic :facepalm:
Bill Clinton was elected in 1992 with only 43 percent of the popular vote. what Ipsos was saying about Miller simply did not make any sense :facepalm:

[BornRuff]

anyone could be confused by the lack of your logic :facepalm:
Bill Clinton was elected in 1992 with only 43 percent of the popular vote. what Ipsos was saying about Miller simply did not make any sense :facepalm:

An election between three candidates is not the same as a poll of one person's approval rating.

In the very first poll of his approval rating in Jan 93, he had 58% approval.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/116584/presidential-approval-ratings-bill-clinton.aspx

[vero95]

An election between three candidates is not the same as a poll of one person's approval rating.

In the very first poll of his approval rating in Jan 93, he had 58% approval.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/116584/presidential-approval-ratings-bill-clinton.aspx

still approval rating of 43% does not mean his time is over
obama maintans such level for quite some time
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_total_approval_graphics/may_2012/obama_total_approval_may_9_2012/701058-1-eng-US/obama_total_approval_may_9_2012.jpg
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

that was a stupid comment

[BornRuff]

still approval rating of 43% does not mean his time is over
obama maintans such level for quite some time
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_total_approval_graphics/may_2012/obama_total_approval_may_9_2012/701058-1-eng-US/obama_total_approval_may_9_2012.jpg
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

that was a stupid comment

Those numbers appear to be mostly above 45%. The average certainly is above 43%.

Anyways, you are straying from the actual point he made. It was very simple. When Miller had 43% approval, Ipsos claimed he was done. That was clearly supported with the direct link to where they said that.

[vero95]

Those numbers appear to be mostly above 45%. The average certainly is above 43%.

Anyways, you are straying from the actual point he made. It was very simple. When Miller had 43% approval, Ipsos claimed he was done. That was clearly supported with the direct link to where they said that.

and I clearly said it was a stupid comment from Ipsos. obama's rating plummeted to 41% on some days and no one was saying his days are over :facepalm:

[BornRuff]

and I clearly said it was a stupid comment from Ipsos. obama's rating plummeted to 41% on some days and no one was saying his days are over :facepalm:

Actually, many people have stated that at different times. If they are correct will be seen this fall.

Your opinion on the numbers was never of interest here. It was a simple statement of fact that that is was Ipsos said.

[VintagePhick]

Canadians are always overestimating their relevance when it comes to their place in the American psyche.

99.9999% of Americans don't give two craps if Rob Ford mayor of the T dot has a weird altercation with a reporter from the Toronto Star.

So no I don't think this will embarrass the city of Toronto because no one outside of Canada cares.

[vero95]

Actually, many people have stated that at different times. If they are correct will be seen this fall.

Your opinion on the numbers was never of interest here. It was a simple statement of fact that that is was Ipsos said.

LOL you have no clue what you are talking about
his current rating has nothing to do with what will happen during the next election in the future. ratings go up and down. millers rating was high in the beginning and did not indicate that he will fail in the future :facepalm:
another logic fail

[BornRuff]

LOL you have no clue what you are talking about
his current rating has nothing to do with what will happen during the next election in the future. ratings go up and down. millers rating was high in the beginning and did not indicate that he will fail in the future :facepalm:
another logic fail

What to you think it means for someone's time to be over?

[vero95]

What to you think it means for someone's time to be over?

stop sidetracking
if the rating of 43% or below meant for someone's time to be over, we would be sure Obama will lose the next election
the probability of someone's with that rating level to lose the election is still pretty low

[BornRuff]

stop sidetracking
if the rating of 43% or below meant for someone's time to be over, we would be sure Obama will lose the next election
the probability of someone's with that rating level to lose the election is still pretty low

How am I side tracking? The point was simply that Ipsos said that, not any sort of debate about if that was actually true.

[vero95]

How am I side tracking? The point was simply that Ipsos said that, not any sort of debate about if that was actually true.


and I said few times that it was an unfounded rumour, no?
if you quote an unfounded rumour, you are making an unfounded statement (called bs)
it's not an explanation that you only quoted someone who might be wrong
therefore responsible adults make sure they use solid facts to avoid losing credibility ;)
losing credibility in a political discussion normally is disqualifying but you and flashy keep going

[BornRuff]

and I said few times that it was an unfounded rumour, no?
if you quote an unfounded rumour, you are making an unfounded statement (called bs)
it's not an explanation that you only quoted someone who might be wrong
therefore responsible adults make sure they use solid facts to avoid losing credibility ;)
losing credibility in a political discussion normally is disqualifying but you and flashy keep going

haha, it is funny how you can manage to misunderstand something so simple as this.