[MERGED]Ford caught for deception/lies AGAIN!

[stuntman]

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1174091--rob-ford-talked-of-tearing-down-house-contrary-to-agent-s-comments-at-hearing-on-bid-to-buy-parkette?bn=1

I guess all Ford's discovered lies during the election campaign were acceptable that is why the people of Toronto voted him in.

Why ****** Ford wanted to buy that adjacent land, was it for a better security fence? No.
It was so he could build a bigger house and make a profit selling it.



Where did that court bid for getting rid of this fool go?



*Yep, took out the part about his size......he commands the disrespect that gets shown to him but is taking away from the fact that the man is a serial liar. Probably always has been and always will be.

[flashy_mcflash]

I think I've established myself as not being a supporter of Ford in general, but I'm not that irked about this. If he wants to tear down his house, he's free to do so.

What I don't understand is his apparent chronic inability to tell the truth about anything, and his incredible ineptitude at lying. Unlike Harper, he's not even good at it but he continues to do so.

[time space]

Excellent background information - thank-you!

This part was particulrly revealing:


If the TRCA executive rejects Ford’s purchase bid, the application dies. If it endorses it, public hearings will be held and the application will go to the full TRCA board for a final vote.

Two days before the TRCA meeting, an angry Ford with his fist raised confronted a Toronto Star reporter who was on public property behind Ford’s back fence trying to identify the land he wants to buy.

No wonder he was angry - the timing was delicate, if he hoped not to get caught.

[wszeto28]

A negative article about Rob Ford on The Star? No way!!!!

All of these threads should be merged into one thread.

[stuntman]

What I don't understand is his apparent chronic inability to tell the truth about anything, and his incredible ineptitude at lying.

^^^My EXACT thoughts about this guy from the beginning. Ford is a damaged individual, why can't he just tell the truth when that truth is easy to tell?

[vero95]

good catch CDNPatriot and thanks to the star for all the articles that show how mischievous our mayor is
that's really bad for the taxpayers that he was saying that he wanted to tear down his house and now does not :facepalm:
McGuinty's lies about not raising taxes look pretty pale in confrontation with such dishonesty. no s**t about that :D

[stuntman]

good catch CDNPatriot


hey!!!! that was uncalled for and not cool since I am not a ranting lunatic.

[danfromwaterloo]

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1174091--rob-ford-talked-of-tearing-down-house-contrary-to-agent-s-comments-at-hearing-on-bid-to-buy-parkette?bn=1

I guess all Ford's discovered lies during the election campaign were acceptable that is why the people of Toronto voted him in.

Why Fatty Ford wanted to buy that adjacent land, was it for a better security fence? No.
It was so he could build a bigger house and make a profit selling it.


Where did that court bid for getting rid of this fool go?

Based solely on what I read, there was no lying whatsoever. Not that I'm a huge Ford supporter by any means, I think there's a clear attempt by a lot of people in the city to villify this guy.

From what I read, the comments made by Ford were made almost two years ago. It is possible that, given the economic climate and likelyhood of a reduction in house prices in the GTA, he decided against ripping down the house in that period. Second, from what I read, his agent was the one making the statements, and nowhere did he say he absolutely would not tear down the house. The agent said it would be "unwise" to do so. Also, "I can’t see any reasonable person wanting to tear down the building". That's not saying he wouldn't, only that it wouldn't be reasonable.

Do we really need to get into this guy's personal life in order to make him look like a liar? Is the case against this guy so weak that they have to go trolling in his backyard to find something?

[mrwally]

Based solely on what I read, there was no lying whatsoever. Not that I'm a huge Ford supporter by any means, I think there's a clear attempt by a lot of people in the city to villify this guy.

From what I read, the comments made by Ford were made almost two years ago. It is possible that, given the economic climate and likelyhood of a reduction in house prices in the GTA, he decided against ripping down the house in that period. Second, from what I read, his agent was the one making the statements, and nowhere did he say he absolutely would not tear down the house. The agent said it would be "unwise" to do so. Also, "I can’t see any reasonable person wanting to tear down the building". That's not saying he wouldn't, only that it wouldn't be reasonable.

Do we really need to get into this guy's personal life in order to make him look like a liar? Is the case against this guy so weak that they have to go trolling in his backyard to find something?

+1

I thought I missed something when I read the article...doesn't seem to me like he lied about anything. His agent made the comments, not Ford.

[flashy_mcflash]

Except, of course, that most fat people are fat by choice.

[zonetbh]

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1174091--rob-ford-talked-of-tearing-down-house-contrary-to-agent-s-comments-at-hearing-on-bid-to-buy-parkette?bn=1

I guess all Ford's discovered lies during the election campaign were acceptable that is why the people of Toronto voted him in.

Why Fatty Ford wanted to buy that adjacent land, was it for a better security fence? No.
It was so he could build a bigger house and make a profit selling it.


Where did that court bid for getting rid of this fool go?

Nullified any point you might have had with two words. 12 year old crap and politics in the same message don't mix. You might want to let the star know too, if they want anyone to take their proven-false stories seriously :lol:

[flashy_mcflash]

Nullified any point you might have had with two words. 12 year old crap and politics in the same message don't mix. You might want to let the star know too, if they want anyone to take their proven-false stories seriously :lol:

Tell Ford that. He and his supporters are quick to throw around 'pinko (http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/ericmang/2010/12/cherry%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Cpinko%E2%80%9D-speech-sets-tone-ford-administration)' and 'Stalinist (http://www.torontosun.com/2012/01/24/mayor-ford-calls-council-foes-two-steps-left-of-stalin)' and all sorts of juvenile nonsense (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toronto/rob-ford-and-a-decade-of-controversy/article1678543/page2/), but say something about Big Baby Rob's weight and it's histrionics time. Don't throw mud if you can't take it.


April 15, 2006: Security guards remove a drunken and belligerent Mr. Ford from a Maple Leafs game after he shouts insults at an out-of-town couple. The attacks began after the man asks Mr. Ford to be quiet. Mr. Ford responds: “Who the f--- do you think you are? Are you a f---ing teacher?” Failing to get a response, he turns his attention to the man’s wife: “Do you want your little wife to go over to Iran and get raped and shot?” The couple realizes the angry man’s identity after Mr. Ford leaves behind a business card. When reporters confront Mr. Ford with the couple’s complaint, he denies being at the hockey game. A day later, he comes clean, saying he lied because he felt “embarrassed and humiliated.”

Yeah, sounds like a guy whose feelings we need to respect.

[NG]

Nullified any point you might have had with two words. 12 year old crap and politics in the same message don't mix. You might want to let the star know too, if they want anyone to take their proven-false stories seriously :lol:

I'm a fatty but having a problem with this is nonsense.

Whenever there's a Liberal/NDP whose fat or whatever Cons not only on sites like this but even pundits on Sun News will "reference" things like a heavy waist.

[stuntman]

Based solely on what I read, there was no lying whatsoever. Not that I'm a huge Ford supporter by any means, I think there's a clear attempt by a lot of people in the city to villify this guy.
.
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Do we really need to get into this guy's personal life in order to make him look like a liar? Is the case against this guy so weak that they have to go trolling in his backyard to find something?


+1
I thought I missed something when I read the article...doesn't seem to me like he lied about anything. His agent made the comments, not Ford.

There is audio attached to the article. Ford states his intentions for the property several times.
Do you really think he needs more property to build a proper security fence as he stated in his request for the extra property? I have read that officials don't.

The man is a serial liar. He gave himself the label.


I can assume that you refer to Smitherman as Super Gay Smitherman? After all, it seems how all the lefties like to describe the person they talk about.
I am a lefty? I simply don't like liars and deceivers especially bad ones.

Ford is like a cartoon character with his absurd statements, dumb lies, deceptions and ineptness.
The man is deservingly the butt of many jokes. He deserves to be addressed so in a forum such as this.

[NG]

Tell Ford that. He and his supporters are quick to throw around 'pinko (http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/ericmang/2010/12/cherry%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Cpinko%E2%80%9D-speech-sets-tone-ford-administration)' and 'Stalinist (http://www.torontosun.com/2012/01/24/mayor-ford-calls-council-foes-two-steps-left-of-stalin)' and all sorts of juvenile nonsense (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toronto/rob-ford-and-a-decade-of-controversy/article1678543/page2/), but say something about Big Baby Rob's weight and it's histrionics time. Don't throw mud if you can't take it.



Yeah, sounds like a guy whose feelings we need to respect.



Failing to get a response, he turns his attention to the man’s wife: “Do you want your little wife to go over to Iran and get raped and shot?”
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toronto/rob-ford-and-a-decade-of-controversy/article1678543/page2/

Holy ****. What the hell is wrong with Ford. I never heard that story before. Mel Lastman was more hack comic funny (and you knew it was just because he had a silly streak) but that quote...that's nuts.

[stuntman]

I'm a fatty but having a problem with this is nonsense.

Whenever there's a Liberal/NDP whose fat or whatever Cons not only on sites like this but even pundits on Sun News will "reference" things like a heavy waist.

dumb oaf would have been better....Fatty Ford rolls off the tongue well...that is why I used it. It is no reflection upon you.
If his name was Matt Methman I would not have used "fatty"

No offense to overweight people. Many command respect or no attention....Ford is a character.

Did you take offense to "fat bastard" in the Austin Power movies or just go with it?

[Shaner]

I stopped reading once I got to the fatty comment. It's the same with cop threads and the word "pig.". If you can't make your point without such nonsense, then your posts aren't worth reading. I'm not a Ford supporter nor do I even live in Toronto so I have no opinion on the man either way

[flashy_mcflash]

I've heard McGuinty called far, far worse here and elsewhere and as I've shown, Ford himself has no problem throwing that kind of rhetoric (or far worse - I think telling a woman she should be raped is much worse than commenting on a person's weight) around. Why is it okay for everyone else to do it, but when Conservatives are the target, it's Chicken Little time?

[zonetbh]

Tell Ford that. He and his supporters are quick to throw around 'pinko (http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/ericmang/2010/12/cherry%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Cpinko%E2%80%9D-speech-sets-tone-ford-administration)' and 'Stalinist (http://www.torontosun.com/2012/01/24/mayor-ford-calls-council-foes-two-steps-left-of-stalin)' and all sorts of juvenile nonsense (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toronto/rob-ford-and-a-decade-of-controversy/article1678543/page2/), but say something about Big Baby Rob's weight and it's histrionics time. Don't throw mud if you can't take it.

Surely the classy and mature way to deal with that is to stoop to the same level.



I'm a fatty but having a problem with this is nonsense.

Whenever there's a Liberal/NDP whose fat or whatever Cons not only on sites like this but even pundits on Sun News will "reference" things like a heavy waist.

I don't have a problem with it, but as soon as anyone, Ford supports or haters, toss in 12 year old crap with their political arguments, its very difficult to take them seriously :)

Its part of the reason why I have no desire to read the sun or the star these days. Just two sides with an agenda, in my opinion.

[stuntman]

I stopped reading once I got to the fatty comment. It's the same with cop threads and the word "pig.". If you can't make your point without such nonsense, then your posts aren't worth reading. I'm not a Ford supporter nor do I even live in Toronto so I have no opinion on the man either way

I took it out...read because people were making a bigger deal out of that than the fact that the guy is getting burned for liar again.

BTW: "pig" is not the same as "fatty" please don't disrespect the a common humorous characture

[flashy_mcflash]

Surely the classy and mature way to deal with that is to stoop to the same level.

Who cares about being classy and mature? I'm sick of having to play nice while someone has a fist in my face. You want a higher level of discourse? You first.

[zonetbh]

Who cares about being classy and mature? I'm sick of having to play nice while someone has a fist in my face. You want a higher level of discourse? You first.

That's fine, just don't expect anyone to take what you have to say seriously. :)

[Piro21]

There is audio attached to the article. Ford states his intentions for the property several times.
Do you really think he needs more property to build a proper security fence as he stated in his request for the extra property? I have read that officials don't.

The man is a serial liar. He gave himself the label.


I am a lefty? I simply don't like liars and deceivers especially bad ones.

Ford is like a cartoon character with his absurd statements, dumb lies, deceptions and ineptness.
The man is deservingly the butt of many jokes. He deserves to be addressed so in a forum such as this.

You don't understand, man. Unless you discard all your feelings on integrity and respectful behaviour you're a dirty lieberal and need to be vilified because you're not behind this overgrown child 100%. If you're a conservative and you're looking for a leader who can espouse your values while also being an honest, respectful human being you're out of luck. You're either with Ford or against him, and if you dare point out anything he does wrong or refuse to baby him because he's such a precious little victim of the 'liberal media' you're obviously against him.

[gstar1]

Lmao why is everyone getting worked up about a small lie that has NO benefit to the city. Some people need to get a life and worry about themselves.

[Piro21]

Lmao why is everyone getting worked up about a small lie that has NO benefit to the city. Some people need to get a life and worry about themselves.

Yes, why should any of us worry when our elected leaders lie repeatedly?

[gstar1]

Hes the leader to toronto, not the country. Dont like him, move. He has no direct impact on my life, so I could care less as to what he does.


Yes, why should any of us worry when our elected leaders lie repeatedly?

[vero95]

Yes, why should any of us worry when our elected leaders lie repeatedly?

and how are his private life decisions affecting you and the rest of furious lefties? :facepalm:

[NorthYorker]

If you're a conservative and you're looking for a leader who can espouse your values while also being an honest, respectful human being you're out of luck.My heart still bleeds every time I remember John Tory. Him losing to Miller was the biggest bummer for Toronto, he would have been a fantastical mayor :(

[stuntman]

You don't understand, man. Unless you discard all your feelings on integrity and respectful behaviour you're a dirty lieberal and need to be vilified because you're not behind this overgrown child 100%. If you're a conservative and you're looking for a leader who can espouse your values while also being an honest, respectful human being you're out of luck. You're either with Ford or against him, and if you dare point out anything he does wrong or refuse to baby him because he's such a precious little victim of the 'liberal media' you're obviously against him.

huh? I took out the fatty part but you are still going on about it?

I have stated many times. My problem with Ford is that he is a serial liar and a bad serial liar.
He just makes stuff up even when there are easy truths.

I don't believe everything the star says....but they sure have gotten him on many items.
Did he not lie about his arrest in Florida during the campaign or did the paper make that up?
His quotes are hilarious!!!! His continued problems with integrity are a joke too. That stuff was not made up.

[Piro21]

huh? I took out the fatty part but you are still going on about it?

I have stated many times. My problem with Ford is that he is a serial liar and a bad serial liar.
He just makes stuff up even when there are easy truths.

I don't believe everything the star says....but they sure have gotten him on many items.
Did he not lie about his arrest in Florida during the campaign or did the paper make that up?
His quotes are hilarious!!!! His continued problems with integrity are a joke too. That stuff was not made up.

Read the post again, bro. I'm agreeing with you.

[stuntman]

and how are his private life decisions affecting you and the rest of furious lefties? :facepalm:

He is not making a private life decision. He is attempting to deceive the government into selling him property.

[Piro21]

and how are his private life decisions affecting you and the rest of furious lefties? :facepalm:

Well let's see, he constantly lets his personal and professional lives cross, and he's looking to take away public land from the people of Toronto. How could that possibly affect me, a person of Toronto? Hmm...

[vero95]

He is not making a private life decision. He is attempting to deceive the government into selling him property.

you should educate yourself about the meaning of the word "deceive" :facepalm:

[vero95]

Well let's see, he constantly lets his personal and professional lives cross, and he's looking to take away public land from the people of Toronto. How could that possibly affect me, a person of Toronto? Hmm...

I bet Miller was able to get a nicer house while he was in power. what do you think?

[gstar1]

Is it your land? Is he taking it away from you? Its up for grabs, he can do whatever the eff he wants.


Well let's see, he constantly lets his personal and professional lives cross, and he's looking to take away public land from the people of Toronto. How could that possibly affect me, a person of Toronto? Hmm...

[Thai]

Is it your land? Is he taking it away from you? Its up for grabs, he can do whatever the eff he wants.

Not to mention that land is absolutely useless. People should actually be thanking Ford.

[NorthYorker]

Is it your land? Is he taking it away from you?Curiously enough, yes. The parkland in question is a collective property of Toronto taxpayers, and Pyro is one of them. So Ford, in a sense, is taking away from us all. He might be allowed to do it, if he pays fair price.
However, my biggest problem with whole thingy is that he's basically buying land from himself :( I mean, would you, as a shareholder, look happily at CEO selling corporate property to his own company? And Ford proved time and again that he values personal loyalty above all things, so anyone refusing his request to buy is very likely to share Gary Webster's fate...

[NG]

dumb oaf would have been better....Fatty Ford rolls off the tongue well...that is why I used it. It is no reflection upon you.
If his name was Matt Methman I would not have used "fatty"

No offense to overweight people. Many command respect or no attention....Ford is a character.

Did you take offense to "fat bastard" in the Austin Power movies or just go with it?

No no...I when I said having a problem referring to Rob Ford as fat is nonsense it's because they (conservatives) make mean spirited comments about progressives all the time.

I've heard people actually on air (Michael Coren) on Sun News actually make fun of the NDP's Libby Davies because of her weight.

It's bull that they now start standing up for the rights of the overweight (or whomever) when it just *happens* to involve a member of their agenda yet they continue to make fat jokes (even on television).

And that's coming from a fatty.

[stuntman]

you should educate yourself about the meaning of the word "deceive" :facepalm:

I am perfectly good with the definition. Good advice is that you verify statements that tell people to get educated, if you don't you look like a dummy.

On his application to purchase the property: He stated that the reason was to build a proper security fence, what is wrong with his current property he can't put a fence up on it? His real intention is to increase the value of his property and to have the ability to tear down the existing house and build a new one.

He is practicing deception. You should get someone else to educate yourself....you have failed in your own attempts to do so.

[danfromwaterloo]

There is audio attached to the article. Ford states his intentions for the property several times.
Do you really think he needs more property to build a proper security fence as he stated in his request for the extra property? I have read that officials don't.

The man is a serial liar. He gave himself the label.

You know that the audio attached to the article is 2 years old, right?

Is it within the realm of possibility that, given the difference in economic climates, that he could have changed his mind about what his intentions are?

Two years ago, I had every intention of finishing my basement. Instead, I decided to put up a deck. Does that make me a liar?

It's dirty politics to attack him on personal dealings. What it tells me, and everybody else, is that his job at City Hall has been so unassailable, so impressive, and amazingly awesome, that they can find nothing wrong to report on there. You know, where things actually matter to the rest of the city. Instead, they have to go around trolling his house at night to take photographs over the guy's fence. If they thought nothing wrong of what they were doing, why not go during the day? Seems to me, if you want to do something you feel is sneaky, like trudging around someone's backyard, that's when you go at night. If you thought you were perfectly within the law, well, what does it matter - go during the day when everybody can see you!

I consider myself a centrist. I try to be impartial wherever I can, and since I don't live in Toronto, who's mayor really doesn't affect me at all. But, I've got to say, I've never seen such unbridaled hatred in the media for a politician as Ford in Toronto. Yes, he's a bit ogrish and rough around the edges, but he's tried to cut costs in a city that's rife with overspending, and I think he deserves passing grades for that. Contrast that with Miller, who was very much the darling of the press, and who was largely responsible for Ford himself getting in, with the lavish spending he was responsible for.

[stuntman]

You know that the audio attached to the article is 2 years old, right?

Is it within the realm of possibility that, given the difference in economic climates, that he could have changed his mind about what his intentions are?

Two years ago, I had every intention of finishing my basement. Instead, I decided to put up a deck. Does that make me a liar?

Yes, I did/do realize it was 2 years old. But those repeated statements combined with his (absurd) reasoning that he wants the property so he can erect a proper security fence AND his serial lying add up to he is lying again.

He is going to have to pull some sort of rabbit out his hat at his application hearing to come across as anything but a liar.

Do you think that he needs the property to erect a proper security fence?

[Piro21]

You know that the audio attached to the article is 2 years old, right?

Is it within the realm of possibility that, given the difference in economic climates, that he could have changed his mind about what his intentions are?

Two years ago, I had every intention of finishing my basement. Instead, I decided to put up a deck. Does that make me a liar?

It's dirty politics to attack him on personal dealings. What it tells me, and everybody else, is that his job at City Hall has been so unassailable, so impressive, and amazingly awesome, that they can find nothing wrong to report on there. You know, where things actually matter to the rest of the city. Instead, they have to go around trolling his house at night to take photographs over the guy's fence. If they thought nothing wrong of what they were doing, why not go during the day? Seems to me, if you want to do something you feel is sneaky, like trudging around someone's backyard, that's when you go at night. If you thought you were perfectly within the law, well, what does it matter - go during the day when everybody can see you!

I consider myself a centrist. I try to be impartial wherever I can, and since I don't live in Toronto, who's mayor really doesn't affect me at all. But, I've got to say, I've never seen such unbridaled hatred in the media for a politician as Ford in Toronto. Yes, he's a bit ogrish and rough around the edges, but he's tried to cut costs in a city that's rife with overspending, and I think he deserves passing grades for that. Contrast that with Miller, who was very much the darling of the press, and who was largely responsible for Ford himself getting in, with the lavish spending he was responsible for.

They didn't go at night. The sun was still up for quite a while after Ford attacked the reporter. He went when he did because it had been raining earlier in the day, and he decided to do his jon and beat all the reporters from other media to the location. This has been established already.

[stuntman]

It's bull that they now start standing up for the rights of the overweight (or whomever) when it just *happens* to involve a member of their agenda yet they continue to make fat jokes (even on television).

And that's coming from a fatty.

+1....it is the same with most things.....find something else to talk about and bring progress of the item to a grinding halt.

[danfromwaterloo]

They didn't go at night. The sun was still up for quite a while after Ford attacked the reporter. He went when he did because it had been raining earlier in the day, and he decided to do his jon and beat all the reporters from other media to the location. This has been established already.

My apologies - when they interviewed Ford it was night so I assumed that it too happened at night.

[vero95]

They didn't go at night. The sun was still up for quite a while after Ford attacked the reporter. He went when he did because it had been raining earlier in the day, and he decided to do his jon and beat all the reporters from other media to the location. This has been established already.

what was established was that you do not go oput to take pics after 7:30
he claimed he arrived at 7:30. it was too dark already to take any pics to be published in the paper
it was OK to spy and get any pic he could sell on the side and that's what he probably was trying to do

[stuntman]

what was established was that you do not go oput to take pics after 7:30
he claimed he arrived at 7:30. it was too dark already to take any pics to be published in the paper
it was OK to spy and get any pic he could sell on the side and that's what he probably was trying to do

Wasn't his camera device a blackberry? Is that what he was intending on using for taking pictures the newspaper? Likely not. They may have been just for gathering info.

[vero95]

Wasn't his camera device a blackberry? Is that what he was intending on using for taking pictures the newspaper? Likely not. They may have been just for gathering info.

you can take pics that are later posted on the internet
besides he had a camera

[danfromwaterloo]

Yes, I did/do realize it was 2 years old. But those repeated statements combined with his (absurd) reasoning that he wants the property so he can erect a proper security fence AND his serial lying add up to he is lying again.

Ok - so you admit that the statements are two years old, and yet you're not willing to concede the possibility he might have changed his mind? Where has he said recently that he intends to knock down the house? Then, I can get on-board the lying. But until then, people are reaching.


He is going to have to pull some sort of rabbit out his hat at his application hearing to come across as anything but a liar.

On the contrary, from what I've seen, he has not yet lied. At very worst right now, you can say that his agent might be misleading or have been misled himself, but I've seen zero to shown he has outright lied. Now, if he tears down the house in two months, well, I guess he was deceptive. However, I have not seen a statement indicating that he has agreed NOT to tear down the house. If you look at his agent's statements


Do you think that he needs the property to erect a proper security fence?

Who do you think you - or we - are to be able to dictate what a person can and cannot do? If the council determines this is a fair request, it's none of our business.

[stuntman]

Who do you think you - or we - are to be able to dictate what a person can and cannot do? If the council determines this is a fair request, it's none of our business.

You did not answer the question:

His reasoning for wanting the property is so he can erect a proper security fence. What is stopping him from erecting a proper security fence now?

If you can come up with a legit reason then please share it with us. If not his statement is not believable. Why would he make a up a reason like that? Oh. I know. So he can reach his primary goal which is something else....heck that primary goal could be to put a volleyball net in it does not matter. He lied.

So back to my question....What is stopping him from erecting a proper security fence now? Why does he need the extra property to do so?

[danfromwaterloo]

You did not answer the question:

His reasoning for wanting the property is so he can erect a proper security fence. What is stopping him from erecting a proper security fence now?

If you can come up with a legit reason then please share it with us. If not his statement is not believable. Why would he make a up a reason like that? Oh. I know. So he can reach his primary goal which is something else....heck that primary goal could be to put a volleyball net in it does not matter. He lied.

So back to my question....What is stopping him from erecting a proper security fence now? Why does he need the extra property to do so?

Well, given the fact that Toronto Star reporters now have a penchant for going into his backyard and taking photos with their Blackberries, I would say the case would be reasonable to provide a buffer AND a security fence. You've left out the "buffer" part that was mentioned several times from the article.

[danfromwaterloo]

You did not answer the question:

His reasoning for wanting the property is so he can erect a proper security fence. What is stopping him from erecting a proper security fence now?

If you can come up with a legit reason then please share it with us. If not his statement is not believable. Why would he make a up a reason like that? Oh. I know. So he can reach his primary goal which is something else....heck that primary goal could be to put a volleyball net in it does not matter. He lied.

So back to my question....What is stopping him from erecting a proper security fence now? Why does he need the extra property to do so?



“Our primary concern is the safety of Douglas and Stephanie, our two young children, having a secure area to play. The addition of this parcel of land to our property would allow us to install a better security fence that will help to enhance the safety of our children,” the Fords wrote in a joint Friday letter to the Toronto and Region Conservation Authority’s executive committee.


This, right here, indicates he intends to create a secure area to play.

[MrBriggs]

Yes, he's a bit ogrish and rough around the edges, but he's tried to cut costs in a city that's rife with overspending, and I think he deserves passing grades for that. Contrast that with Miller, who was very much the darling of the press, and who was largely responsible for Ford himself getting in, with the lavish spending he was responsible for.

Really? Rife with overspending? Don't you think this is an exaggeration given that, according to KPMG, the city was wasting only 0.1% of its budget (http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/142354--kpmg-identifies-possible-cuts-eliminations-to-city-services)?

[stuntman]

This, right here, indicates he intends to create a secure area to play.

They already have a secure area to play. They want more area than the rest of us?

There is already land enough to build a proper security fence...what do they want one like the prisons have? Are they doing to run dogs between the double fence like in the movies?

what is wrong with the current area?

[stuntman]

Well, given the fact that Toronto Star reporters now have a penchant for going into his backyard and taking photos with their Blackberries, I would say the case would be reasonable to provide a buffer AND a security fence. You've left out the "buffer" part that was mentioned several times from the article.

they do? Please cite instances of trespassing where they went into his backyard.

[danfromwaterloo]

Really? Rife with overspending? Don't you think this is an exaggeration given that, according to KPMG, the city was wasting only 0.1% of its budget (http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/142354--kpmg-identifies-possible-cuts-eliminations-to-city-services)?

How many people that work for the city or the TTC make over 100 grand a year that shouldn't? Last time I looked, I found almost a dozen TTC ticket collectors that made over 100 grand a year. That is waste, pure and simple, and it's so readily apparent, being in front of you, that I cannot believe any report that says we're highly efficient.

I have a friend that works for the TTC in one of the repair yards. He spends most of his day playing cards. He said, in all honesty, he probably does about 3 hours of real work a week.

[zz000ter]

Stuntman - how will this affect your life?
How will this affect anyone's life?

You must hate Conrad Black because his house is worth 5,000 times more than your house

[danfromwaterloo]

They already have a secure area to play. They want more area than the rest of us?

What, because he's mayor, he's not allowed to want to expand his property?



There is already land enough to build a proper security fence...what do they want one like the prisons have? Are they doing to run dogs between the double fence like in the movies?

what is wrong with the current area?

It's none of our concern what is wrong with the current area. Can you not see how much of a witch hunt this is? You're now the sole decider of what he's entitled to do with his property? You deem that he has enough space, so how dare he want more? Can you not see your own bias?

I don't really care either way what this guy does with his house. Based on the property he's requested - which would secure the left side of his house, and give his kids an enclosed area that they could play in - why the heck not? He's going to buy it. Would it make poor stuntman feel better if he just up and moved? Would that be permitted by stuntman?

[stuntman]

Stuntman - how will this affect your life?
How will this affect anyone's life?

You must hate Conrad Black because his house is worth 5,000 times more than your house

How will Rob Ford lying affect my life?
Well....lets see here....if he gets away with lying on such a dumb and stupid scale then he serves as a role model for lying. As if we don't have enough lying in society....this guy will encourage more of it. That will effect me.

I could care less about his property values...it is about his motifs and deception.

[stuntman]

What, because he's mayor, he's not allowed to want to expand his property?

Because he is a member of society and more importantly a mayor it is bad that he lies on the application to obtain more property.


they do? Please cite instances of trespassing where they went into his backyard.

have those instances for me?

[NG]

What, because he's mayor, he's not allowed to want to expand his property?

It's none of our concern what is wrong with the current area. Can you not see how much of a witch hunt this is?

It's not a witch hunt. He's the mayor so it's expected in today's climate that he be under the microscope - esp when his private life intersects public policy.

If that parcel of land was owned by his neighbour or a private company then there would have been no interest in this story.

In addition the way political coverage has gone in the last few years this is EXACTLY the type of way this story would unfold for any politician.

You can bet if we swapped out Rob Ford and replaced him with David Miller instead of this story involving the Toronto Star it would have been the Toronto Sun (likely with a mocking cartoon of Miller on the cover).

[flashy_mcflash]

what was established was that you do not go oput to take pics after 7:30
he claimed he arrived at 7:30. it was too dark already to take any pics to be published in the paper
it was OK to spy and get any pic he could sell on the side and that's what he probably was trying to do

Why do you keep lying? It is provable that the sun set that day at 8:22 (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/astronomy.html?n=250&month=5&year=2012&obj=sun&afl=-11&day=1). Do you know how the sun works? When it is up, it's bright. When it is down, it's dark. The sun was up. It was not dark.

[geokilla]

A negative article about Rob Ford on The Star? No way!!!!

All of these threads should be merged into one thread.

This. I won't be surprised if Toronto Star made it up ever since that Ragu incident. Every time they call me asking to buy their newspaper, I just say no. I don't want to read your crap after you failed to report the facts.

[stuntman]

Why do you keep lying?

+1...maybe he is just dumb?

[danfromwaterloo]

How will Rob Ford lying affect my life?
Well....lets see here....if he gets away with lying on such a dumb and stupid scale then he serves as a role model for lying. As if we don't have enough lying in society....this guy will encourage more of it. That will effect me.

I could care less about his property values...it is about his motifs and deception.

You just don't like him. I get it. Other politicians have told bigger, costlier, and more blatant lies in their day. You choose to focus on this guy because you just dislike him. There's nothing wrong with that.

But for God's sake, know that you dislike him and that it biases you pretty badly. I've actually stopped reading the Star because they've gone so far against this guy that they've ruined their own credibility. For example:


The Star also benefits from the battle, positioning itself as the city’s most aggressive newsroom in keeping the mayor in check. Traffic to its website spikes whenever incendiary material about the mayor is posted, even if sometimes it oversteps the boundaries of good taste: Last month, when it posted a mocking “gotcha” video of the portly mayor visiting a KFC outlet, readers chastised the paper, and its own public editor wrote a column saying it “leaves a bad taste.”

So, a once-proudly respected news outlet is going to sink to the level of fat jokes by showing the portly mayor hitting a KFC? It doesn't make Ford look bad - it makes the Star look bad. And when people pick on these little issues instead of the big, meaty issues, it makes their entire case look weak. Is he a crappy mayor? Show us how he's screwing up AS MAYOR. What is he wasting our money on? Who's getting left out on the street by his spending cuts? Not this puny crap.

[danfromwaterloo]

You can bet if we swapped out Rob Ford and replaced him with David Miller instead of this story involving the Toronto Star it would have been the Toronto Sun (likely with a mocking cartoon of Miller on the cover).

Probably, but nobody considers the Sun a respectable news outlet. Any paper you need to put a half-naked girl in the back of to sell papers isn't a respectable news outlet.

I actually considered the Star one of the best news outlets in Canada, but this whole handling of Rob Ford the past few years has made me reconsider that. It's a shame really. I thought they were better than this.

[MrBriggs]

How many people that work for the city or the TTC make over 100 grand a year that shouldn't? Last time I looked, I found almost a dozen TTC ticket collectors that made over 100 grand a year. That is waste, pure and simple, and it's so readily apparent, being in front of you, that I cannot believe any report that says we're highly efficient.

I have a friend that works for the TTC in one of the repair yards. He spends most of his day playing cards. He said, in all honesty, he probably does about 3 hours of real work a week.

Right, and what is Ford doing about those TTC collectors making over 100K?

[stuntman]

they do? Please cite instances of trespassing where they went into his backyard.

So...can I now assuming that you were BSing? I did ask you twice.


You just don't like him. I get it. Other politicians have told bigger, costlier, and more blatant lies in their day. You choose to focus on this guy because you just dislike him. There's nothing wrong with that.

I don't like him because he is serial liar and a really bad one too. He finds it easier to lie than tell an easy truth. He makes up stuff on a regular basis and talks out of his butt.

I choose to focus on him in this thread because creating a thread about all liars would be a poor thread.

Why do you continue to make up stuff Dan? Why do you like a serial liar so much? Why are you trying to move away the argument Dan?

[vero95]

Probably, but nobody considers the Sun a respectable news outlet. Any paper you need to put a half-naked girl in the back of to sell papers isn't a respectable news outlet.

I actually considered the Star one of the best news outlets in Canada, but this whole handling of Rob Ford the past few years has made me reconsider that. It's a shame really. I thought they were better than this.

LOL the star is the same level as sun
remember their handling of Ragu's story?

[stuntman]

Probably, but nobody considers the Sun a respectable news outlet. Any paper you need to put a half-naked girl in the back of to sell papers isn't a respectable news outlet.

I actually considered the Star one of the best news outlets in Canada, but this whole handling of Rob Ford the past few years has made me reconsider that. It's a shame really. I thought they were better than this.

I have said it before: They are riding him pretty hard, they have a real hate on him. Some of it is petty. They are stressing Robby out but he is so outrageous he had it coming. The Star does print retractions when they screw it up though....so for the most part they are accurate.

[NG]

Probably, but nobody considers the Sun a respectable news outlet. Any paper you need to put a half-naked girl in the back of to sell papers isn't a respectable news outlet.

I'll agree that it would have made more sense for the Star reporter to cover this in the daytime but he may not have realized just how close this parcel of land is to his house.

Still, no matter how close it is to his house, it is public land. There's a small "parkette" by where I live as well. I've gone over there on occasion with a blanket on a warm day and treated like a mini-park by lying down and enjoying the sun for a couple hours.

It's kinda freaky to think that just by enjoying a public space owned by the city I might expect an angry 300lb man chasing after me with fists in the air.




I actually considered the Star one of the best news outlets in Canada, but this whole handling of Rob Ford the past few years has made me reconsider that. It's a shame really. I thought they were better than this.

Even if the Star ginned it up (I don't know for certain since I'd like to see all this video/audio etc) I do like the idea that progressives might be getting a counter to the Sun (since that angry politics seems to work).

However it would be nice if The Star brand is kept as the 'high brow' brand like the NY Times - even if it meant something like discounting the Sunday Star and replacing it with a angry left version of The Sun.

[flashy_mcflash]

LOL the star is the same level as sun
remember their handling of Ragu's story?

Didn't we already establish that you don't know anything about the sun? :D

[vero95]

I have said it before: They are riding him pretty hard, they have a real hate on him. Some of it is petty. They are stressing Robby out but he is so outrageous he had it coming. The Star does print retractions when they screw it up though....so for the most part they are accurate.

they do not get much from the sales of the paper. I bet the only reason they exist is they are funded by lefties and unions
the star is cheaper than the toilet paper. they also give it away for free a lot. is it once per week at union station?

[stuntman]

they do not get much from the sales of the paper. I bet the only reason they exist is they are funded by lefties and unions
the star is cheaper than the toilet paper. they also give it away for free a lot. is it once per week at union station?

:facepalm:vero please stop assuming and guessing at things that you know nothing about.

[zz000ter]

The real revenue comes from ad revenue
The more readers, the more you can charge for ad rates
For this reason they give away papers for free

What you pay for the paper goes basically to the distribution channel

[flashy_mcflash]

they do not get much from the sales of the paper. I bet the only reason they exist is they are funded by lefties and unions
the star is cheaper than the toilet paper. they also give it away for free a lot. is it once per week at union station?

:facepalm: they are BY FAR the most successful paper in the country (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_Canada_by_circulation). Why are you so uninformed? Perhaps you should try reading, I don't know, a newspaper.

[vero95]

:facepalm: they are BY FAR the most successful paper in the country (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_Canada_by_circulation). Why are you so uninformed? Perhaps you should try reading, I don't know, a newspaper.

circulation does not mean success. they are cheaper than toilet paper. I bet the articles lower the value
they called me few weeks ago and offered delivery for $1/week :D

[flashy_mcflash]

circulation does not mean success. they are cheaper than toilet paper. I bet the articles lower the value
they called me few weeks ago and offered delivery for $1/week :D

Yeah, actually it does. It's the only measure of success we have for newspapers and what advertisers look at when they place ads. If you have a better, statistical/numbers-based metric for success, bring it on hombre.

[stuntman]

circulation does not mean success. they are cheaper than toilet paper. I bet the articles lower the value
they called me few weeks ago and offered delivery for $1/week :D

Vero95 just stop. Like I said before you are making assumptions and guesses on something you know nothing about....again!

[vero95]

Vero95 just stop. Like I said before you are making assumptions and guesses on something you know nothing about....again!

stuntman, those are facts. do you remember Ragu's story? they pictured Ragu as a victim. the same with the reporter, no?

[flashy_mcflash]

stuntman, those are facts. do you remember Ragu's story? they pictured Ragu as a victim. the same with the reporter, no?

So would you say that the Star's reporting on Ragu undermines their credibility? Would you also say that your inability to discern sunrise from sunset, darkness from light, and - on the transit issue - trip time vs. wait time undermines yours?

[stuntman]

stuntman, those are facts. do you remember Ragu's story? they pictured Ragu as a victim. the same with the reporter, no?

I am not talking about that....OMG....just stop typing.

[NorthYorker]

But, I've got to say, I've never seen such unbridaled hatred in the media for a politician as Ford in Toronto. I guess you've never read the National Post. Their attacks on McGuinty or whoever was Fed Lib leader of the day makes Ford/Star look like great honeymoon in comparison :) And Toronto Sun.... Oh, Toronto Sun and Sue Ann Levi.... :D Their undying love for McGuinty or anti-Ford councillors... :)
when they interviewed Ford it was night so I assumed that it too happened at night.Ford/Dale confrontation happened before sunset.
what was established was that you do not go oput to take pics after 7:30On this particular day it was as much sun at 7:30 as at 2 pm (actually, more than at 2 pm, as it was raining earlier at the day and clouds over the area dissipated around 7 pm).
I have a friend that works for the TTC in one of the repair yards. He spends most of his day playing cards. He said, in all honesty, he probably does about 3 hours of real work a week.He's lying to make you jealous of his easy life. Although it is true that yard guys work somewhat less back-breaking than in Scarborough FOB salvage yard, they are roughly at par with average Canadian shop.
What, because he's mayor, he's not allowed to want to expand his property?He's more than welcome to buy from any private seller (provided that he does not use his considerable power over city's agencies to influence the seller). However, him buying city property had to be put not just under a microscope, but checked 22 times with the best microscope there is. This is potentially a classic "conflict of interests" situation.
He's going to buy it.Theoretically, he can bully Parks Dept to sell it to him for peanuts. Webster's firing did show how he deals with disloyal public employees.
If that parcel of land was owned by his neighbour or a private company then there would have been no interest in this story.Even with a private transaction, he can use his hounds from, say, Fire dept to harass the other party. Yes, I'm being paranoid, but I've seen it happening too many times back in Russia, so I've prepared to fight this type of stuff here in Canada tooth and nail.
circulation does not mean success.
:D
they called me few weeks ago and offered delivery for $1/week :DI believe you, because I have to battle National Post at least weekly, fighting off their offers of 6 month delivery for free (this is after they delivered me their print edition for 1.5 years or smth like this, and I never paid a penny). Yes, those are games all newspapers play today...

[vero95]

So would you say that the Star's reporting on Ragu undermines their credibility? Would you also say that your inability to discern sunrise from sunset, darkness from light, and - on the transit issue - trip time vs. wait time undermines yours?

excatly, they have no credibility. they can't even distinguish who is the victim :facepalm:

[flashy_mcflash]

excatly, they have no credibility. they can't even distinguish who is the victim :facepalm:

LAWL, so you admit to having zero credibility? Glad we finally agree on something!

[vero95]

LAWL, so you admit to having zero credibility? Glad we finally agree on something!

any evidence for that please ;)

[ever1221]

I don't understand the problem here, I mean if we have a PM like harpy in power, what do you think his puppets are like? Not to mention his supporters that enjoy dictatorship role, and the deception of the voted in politicians.

lets not forget their main slogan, tax the poor and give tax credits to the rich.

[stuntman]

LAWL, so you admit to having zero credibility? Glad we finally agree on something!

+1 vero must be medicated today.

[vero95]

I don't understand the problem here, I mean if we have a PM like harpy in power, what do you think his puppets are like? Not to mention his supporters that enjoy dictatorship role, and the deception of the voted in politicians.

lets not forget their main slogan, tax the poor and give tax credits to the rich.

puppets are not democratically elected :facepalm:

[flashy_mcflash]

any evidence for that please ;)

Try reading the post you replied to and agreed with.

[vero95]

:DI believe you, because I have to battle National Post at least weekly, fighting off their offers of 6 month delivery for free (this is after they delivered me their print edition for 1.5 years or smth like this, and I never paid a penny). Yes, those are games all newspapers play today...

a big circulation in this case means bigger losses ;)

[stuntman]

;)
a big circulation in this case means bigger losses ;)

;) <----that does not make you look any smarter. In fact you look quite the opposite. Just stop typing. You talk out of your butt.....it is sickening.

See DFW...I dislike all big BSers equally.

[vero95]

;)

;) <----that does not make you look any smarter. In fact you look quite the opposite. Just stop typing. You talk out of your butt.....it is sickening.

See DFW...I dislike all big BSers equally.

I did it for you and flashy :D

but seriously the circulation goes steady down/ you guys are not worried?

[stuntman]

I did it for you and flashy :D

but seriously the circulation goes steady down/ you guys are not worried?

I haven't even commented on this new topic of paper circulation. what makes you think I am worried? What has this got to do with the topic?

[vero95]

I haven't even commented on this new topic of paper circulation. what makes you think I am worried? What has this got to do with the topic?

OK. so you are worried that Rob is lying while all he did was he said two years ago that he wanted to build a new house and now does not want to :-0
I am trying to figre out what are you worried about. obviuosly it's a big deal for you that he is not going to build a new house because I do not see any part in this story that would indicate Ford is dishonest
please explain to us why you think Ford is dishonest based on this story. you can't call a politician dishonest if he changes his mind regarding his private matter. that's really dumb. if you say I do not want any kids and two years later you get one, it does not make you dishonest
so I amd asking you: do you understand what it means to be dishonest? :facepalm:

[stuntman]

OK. so you are worried that Rob is lying while all he did was he said two years ago that he wanted to build a new house and now does not want to :-0
I am trying to figre out what are you worried about. obviuosly it's a big deal for you that he is not going to build a new house because I do not see any part in this story that would indicate Ford is dishonest
please explain to us why you think Ford is dishonest based on this story. you can't call a politician dishonest if he changes his mind regarding his private matter. that's really dumb. if you say I do not want any kids and two years later you get one, it does not make you dishonest
so I amd asking you: do you understand what it means to be dishonest? :facepalm:

Your lack of intelligence is setting the bar pretty low Vero.....you are setting a new standard today.

read the thread you have been "participating" in.

[vero95]

Your lack of intelligence is setting the bar pretty low Vero.....you are setting a new standard today.

read the thread you have been "participating" in.

read your title and answer my question: do you understand what it means to be dishonest?

[flashy_mcflash]

read your title and answer my question: do you understand what it means to be dishonest?

I'm not stuntman but I understand the meaning of dishonest. One possible definition is saying that it was dark out when, in fact, it was broad daylight. You're pretty familiar with that particular brand of dishonesty, huh vero?

[stuntman]

read your title and answer my question: do you understand what it means to be dishonest?

just had not put you on ignore yet. As a simple courtesy I will respond to you.

Yes, I understand the meaning. (that was a really dumb question to demand an answer to).

So now that your question has been answered.......

[no_username]

Are there any pictures of Rob Ford with his pants on fire?

[spike1128]

This is what is going to happen.

Ford to the board: I want to buy the land beside my house. I know it's public land. I am the mayor, I own this city!
Board: If you put it that way. We will sell it to you. We pretend we do it legit.
Ford to board: I buy it with one dolla.
Board: Ok, we will not say a thing.

Hello. Anybody see a problem with him buying public land and making it his own private land. This is what happens when we go do the same thing. A lot of gravy into his pocket as mayor. I going to run for office as well. So I can buy up public land surrounding my house for cheap and build a mansion on it.

Me to board: I want to buy the land beside my house. I know it's public land.
Board: How can you buy it. Think of the children. We won't sell even if you pay double of what's worth.
Me to board: That's not fair. Ford bought it just a few days ago.
Board: Well, I am not going to say anything that will make it legal for you to sue me. I am going to pretend you never came. You are a nobody.

The buying price better be more than what the land is worth. There better be a public inquiry about this.

[danfromwaterloo]

I don't like him because he is serial liar and a really bad one too. He finds it easier to lie than tell an easy truth. He makes up stuff on a regular basis and talks out of his butt.

Yeah, so? He's a politician. You were expecting truth from a politician? Now who's being foolish? These are people that are willing to tell you what you want to hear to get elected. I don't believe a word they say anyway.


Why do you continue to make up stuff Dan? Why do you like a serial liar so much? Why are you trying to move away the argument Dan?

Oh, so now you move away from Biggie Ford and move to me? I don't appreciate it when the media gets vindictive. They're supposed to report the news in an unbiased and professional way. What the Star is doing is anything but. It's the same reason why I don't consider Fox News, The Toronto Sun, MSNBC, or any other heated rhetoric outlet to be anything other than opinion.

The points you are making, stuntman, show that you really dislike this guy. It wouldn't matter if this guy farted wrong, you'd probably be posting how much of a jerk this guy is for farting. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but at least acknowledge your bias, and realize that what you blow things up to be really aren't as bad as you think they are. The guy is trying to buy a parcel of land immediately next to his house. We don't know what the sale price would be, but it's a small plot of land. It's also virtually unusable to anybody else. He says he wants to build a big security fence and a secure play area for his young kids. Ok. Does he want to pull down his house? Maybe. Maybe not. Has he said he will not pull down his house? No. This is not nearly as big an issue as people are blowing it up to be.

[NG]

circulation does not mean success. they are cheaper than toilet paper. I bet the articles lower the value
they called me few weeks ago and offered delivery for $1/week :D

As mentioned earlier:


The real revenue comes from ad revenue


That buck they offered you was likely the cost to get the paper to your door. The higher the circulation equals the more they make from ad dollars.

So yeah...circulation does mean success.

[stuntman]

they do? Please cite instances of trespassing where they went into his backyard.

So are you going to bother answering this one there Dan? Talking out of your butt Dan?


Yeah, so? He's a politician. You were expecting truth from a politician? Now who's being foolish? These are people that are willing to tell you what you want to hear to get elected. I don't believe a word they say anyway.

The difference with Ford is that he is appears to be the biggest liar, the dumbest liar the most brazen liar. He makes up numbers and situations....he just talks out of his butt in a total lack of respect for people. He is a serial liar and it is not for the good of the people, it is for the good of his self.



The points you are making, stuntman, show that you really dislike this guy.
wow...you think I really dislike the guy? What lead you to believe that?
I dislike him for a good reason and his blundering is somewhat entertaining. He really does come across as a joke.



It wouldn't matter if this guy farted wrong, you'd probably be posting how much of a jerk this guy is for farting.

what do you base that on? Has there been a bunch of anti-Ford threads from me? Talk out of your butt much there Dan? Are you Rob Ford?

[CDNPatriot]

Good story stuntman. I complete agree with you. I posted the original interview he had the following day after Fencegate. Ford in the interview contradicted himself. He said that it was for his kids to play in. And then he said that he needed a buffer between the fence and the house for security reasons.

Now we find out otherwise. Once a liar always a liar. Does anyone know if police released the cellphone yet?


http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1174091--rob-ford-talked-of-tearing-down-house-contrary-to-agent-s-comments-at-hearing-on-bid-to-buy-parkette?bn=1

I guess all Ford's discovered lies during the election campaign were acceptable that is why the people of Toronto voted him in.

Why ****** Ford wanted to buy that adjacent land, was it for a better security fence? No.
It was so he could build a bigger house and make a profit selling it.



Where did that court bid for getting rid of this fool go?



*Yep, took out the part about his size......he commands the disrespect that gets shown to him but is taking away from the fact that the man is a serial liar. Probably always has been and always will be.

[olssy]

You guys have the most entertaining mayor, even beats the mayor of Quebec. That said, please keep him! I definitely do not want a guy like that being my mayor.

[BornRuff]

Good story stuntman. I complete agree with you. I posted the original interview he had the following day after Fencegate. Ford in the interview contradicted himself. He said that it was for his kids to play in. And then he said that he needed a buffer between the fence and the house for security reasons.

Now we find out otherwise. Once a liar always a liar. Does anyone know if police released the cellphone yet?

The whole story seems so fuzzy. It is getting easier and easier to question his claims that he wants this for security reasons.

Any reasonably smart person would have understood that the Mayor making a request like this would arouse some interest. It would have been advisable to get his story straight first.

[CDNPatriot]

but he's tried to cut costs in a city that's rife with overspending, and I think he deserves passing grades for that. Contrast that with Miller, who was very much the darling of the press, and who was largely responsible for Ford himself getting in, with the lavish spending he was responsible for.

Dan, tried to cut costs is the key here in what you are saying. He ran on a campaign that drilled into all of our heads that there was this big gravy train going on at City Hall. Instead after wasting tax payer dollars on an auditer he found out that there was no gravy train.

He then had to cut services of which he promised he would never do.

He then cut the Toronto Public Service of which he promised he would not do.

He cut the vehicle registration because there was too much tax. Does that make sense when you have a debt to pay off? We are the laughing stock not only of the GTA but probably Canada when Torontonians cry about high property taxes. A 1 million dollar home in Toronto pays a few thousand in taxes. In Durham they pay over 10,000 dollars a year! Double the taxes!

By the way did you read what Holyday and Ford signed with CUPE? Miller's collective agreement had more financial wins than Ford. Just because Ford went out in the media and declared a victory does not mean that we got a better deal than what Miller gave the city.

Smokes and mirrors.

[Piro21]

Dan, tried to cut costs is the key here in what you are saying. He ran on a campaign that drilled into all of our heads that there was this big gravy train going on at City Hall. Instead after wasting tax payer dollars on an auditer he found out that there was no gravy train.

He then had to cut services of which he promised he would never do.

He then cut the Toronto Public Service of which he promised he would not do.

He cut the vehicle registration because there was too much tax. Does that make sense when you have a debt to pay off? We are the laughing stock not only of the GTA but probably Canada when Torontonians cry about high property taxes. A 1 million dollar home in Toronto pays a few thousand in taxes. In Durham they pay over 10,000 dollars a year! Double the taxes!

By the way did you read what Holyday and Ford signed with CUPE? Miller's collective agreement had more financial wins than Ford. Just because Ford went out in the media and declared a victory does not mean that we got a better deal than what Miller gave the city.

Smokes and mirrors.

You're forgetting the giant raises he gave to the police (the single largest expense the city has) for pretty much no reason at all. All of his other cuts haven't even recovered the money he wasted there. He hasn't actually saved the taxpayer any money yet.

[CDNPatriot]

Dan interesting. A number of years ago there was a write up I believe about how pressed for time TTC mechanics are that they don't even take a break if they run out of masks to use when they pull the asbestos ridden brake pads from their busses. Story on how one of them died of cancer as a result. Now you are telling me they play cards all day?

TTC collectors making 100k, obviously this is thanks to overtime.

Why do you have overtime? Because of lay offs and hiring freezes and then you don't have enough staff.

Apparently the fire department loves Ford. With the hiring freeze there is a shortage of fire services workers. So guess what, those on the payroll are doing mega overtime and making big bucks.

The problem is that you can't run government like a business. And this is a good example of this.


How many people that work for the city or the TTC make over 100 grand a year that shouldn't? Last time I looked, I found almost a dozen TTC ticket collectors that made over 100 grand a year. That is waste, pure and simple, and it's so readily apparent, being in front of you, that I cannot believe any report that says we're highly efficient.

I have a friend that works for the TTC in one of the repair yards. He spends most of his day playing cards. He said, in all honesty, he probably does about 3 hours of real work a week.

[stuntman]

I have you on ignore but thanks CDNP.

You have started on your usual anti-Ford rant that will completely take this thread waaaay off topic into everything you think he has ever done and how he is "ruining" the city.
It will likely contain video post after video post. Many of them repeating.

Congratulations you are still a fanatic and disliked for it. I bet Ford could hold a conversation unlike you yourself.

[CDNPatriot]

If that parcel of land was owned by his neighbour or a private company then there would have been no interest in this story.



True NG. And the Committee would not even have considered it to the extent they are for Ford.

I posted a comment from a Committee member that the has never seen anything approved in the 20 years he has been on the committee.

Also, Ford has been part of this committee and has affiliations.

[CDNPatriot]

Someday Dan maybe the Star might improve its journalism to the quality of the Toronto Sun.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_PK0EOWvC8YI/S8CHtX5Y61I/AAAAAAAAGcI/_obCukvG-a4/TorontoSunCover-Apr10-2010_thumb%5B6%5D.jpg?imgmax=800




You just don't like him. I get it. Other politicians have told bigger, costlier, and more blatant lies in their day. You choose to focus on this guy because you just dislike him. There's nothing wrong with that.

But for God's sake, know that you dislike him and that it biases you pretty badly. I've actually stopped reading the Star because they've gone so far against this guy that they've ruined their own credibility. For example:



So, a once-proudly respected news outlet is going to sink to the level of fat jokes by showing the portly mayor hitting a KFC? It doesn't make Ford look bad - it makes the Star look bad. And when people pick on these little issues instead of the big, meaty issues, it makes their entire case look weak. Is he a crappy mayor? Show us how he's screwing up AS MAYOR. What is he wasting our money on? Who's getting left out on the street by his spending cuts? Not this puny crap.

[CDNPatriot]

Stuntman in case you haven't noticed I've agreed with you and complimented you.

But the pro Ford posters have brought up some great points that might be a bit much for you to handle obviously hence, the focus on me. :lol:

On another note, your personal attacks have been steering this thread into derailment right from the beginning. Just as or even more hypocritical than the mayor I'm afraid.


I have you on ignore but thanks CDNP.

You have started on your usual anti-Ford rant that will completely take this thread waaaay off topic into everything you think he has ever done and how he is "ruining" the city.
It will likely contain video post after video post. Many of them repeating.

Congratulations you are still a fanatic and disliked for it. I bet Ford could hold a conversation unlike you yourself.

[NG]

Someday Dan maybe the Star might improve its journalism to the quality of the Toronto Sun.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_PK0EOWvC8YI/S8CHtX5Y61I/AAAAAAAAGcI/_obCukvG-a4/TorontoSunCover-Apr10-2010_thumb%5B6%5D.jpg?imgmax=800

The funny/sad thing is of the four things referenced on the front page (excluding the masthead) the most legit thing on there is the plug for the sports section.

[stuntman]

nice going CDN. You have killed yet another thread.
Give yourself a nice pat on the back if you can reach it.

[vero95]

just had not put you on ignore yet. As a simple courtesy I will respond to you.

Yes, I understand the meaning. (that was a really dumb question to demand an answer to).

So now that your question has been answered.......

feel free to put me on the ignore list :facepalm: that will make my life easier as I will not need to correct your dumb posts :facepalm:

[CDNPatriot]

feel free to put me on the ignore list :facepalm: that will make my life easier as I will not need to correct your dumb posts :facepalm:

I'm with Vero on that one. Stuntman I thought you had me on ignore?

[stuntman]

feel free to put me on the ignore list :facepalm: that will make my life easier as I will not need to correct your dumb posts :facepalm:

rotfl

.....so much laughter at your expense vero....I have tears in my eyes.

[CDNPatriot]

Thread derailment!


rotfl

.....so much laughter at your expense vero....I have tears in my eyes.

[stuntman]

Thread derailment!

You killed it. If you notice the posts you can see the responses died after you popped in with your rant on a bunch of OT Ford garbage.

[Siskie]

BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rob Ford took a huge smelly crap in the washroom after first denying he had a gas problem this morning!

Should be on the front page of the Toronto Star tomorrow morning.

[vero95]

BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rob Ford took a huge smelly crap in the washroom after first denying he had a gas problem this morning!

Should be on the front page of the Toronto Star tomorrow morning.

I heard they will attach samples of the smell as they do with perfumes in the magazines
that is supposed to be a breakthrough edition for the star. you will be able to smell the s***t they write about :D

[vero95]

rotfl

.....so much laughter at your expense vero....I have tears in my eyes.

were you able to gather your thoughts and answer the question why is Rob a liar and deceitful or you still have no clue why you created that thread? :facepalm:

[Siskie]

I heard they will attach samples of the smell as they do with perfumes in the magazines
that is supposed to be a breakthrough edition for the star. you will be able to smell the s***t they write about :D

hahahahaha

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/images/smilies/drum.gif

[CDNPatriot]

Rob Ford, Lies, Lies, Lies and More Lies:(

http://www.christindal.ca/2012/05/03/rob-fords-behavior-does-matter-and-it-diminishes-us-all/

When Rob Ford was accused of being drunk and belligerent at a Leafs game and asking a stranger if he wanted his wife to “get raped and shot,” he lied and said he wasn’t even at the game. When he was asked by the Toronto Sun if U.S. police had charged him with possession of marijuana, he lied by forcefully and repeatedly denying it. When the CBC’s This Hour Has 22 Minutes made an admittedly-offside attempt to interview him in his driveway, he lied multiple times, saying it was dark out, his daughter was with him, and that the team from the CBC ran at him yelling “we’ve got you Rob Ford, we got you,” none of which is true according to video evidence.

We have not yet seen video evidence of Ford’s encounter with Toronto Star reporter Daniel Dale (some security footage is apparently being reviewed UPDATE: Doug Ford says the video will not be released), so for now we’re left only with their two very different versions of events. Ford’s long history of dishonesty, combined with the fact that Dale is an award-winning journalist whose very profession is to document and tell the truth, has lead many to conclude with a reasonable amount of confidence that Dale’s version of events—in which the reporter never left public property nor came close to entering the mayor’s backyard when Ford ran at him, shouting with his fist cocked, and forced him to drop his phone and voice recorder—is the more accurate one. (Add to this that Ford appears to corroborate significant pieces of Dale’s account, but does not provide an explanation for why Dale would yell for help and drop his phone if he didn’t fear for his safety.)

The mayor then waited two hours before contacting a friendly media outlet (I use this phrase confidently, since Newstalk 1010 provides him with a weekly show) to claim that he had caught a Toronto Star reporter trespassing on his property and taking photos of his family. (There is no evidence that’s true, and Ford now admits he never saw Dale come closer than “maybe five meters” from his fence.) That delay, meaning that television cameras didn’t arrive until after dark (no doubt everyone watching the evening news pictured Dale lurking in the backyard after sundown, when in fact he was on public land while it was still light out) is seen by some as a deliberate attempt to distort the truth in a way that undermines the credibility of the Star.

Once Dale’s version of events was published to the Star’s website, even those who believed Dale started to criticize and mock him. Suggesting he had no right to be doing his job (reporting on a story that Ford wants to buy a piece of public land he alternatively says is required either to enhance his home’s security or build a larger play area for his children) on public property in daylight is only upstaged in offensiveness by the pack of people, most of them men and many of them journalists, questioning Dale’s manliness for being frightened when physically threatened and robbed by an agitated man twice his size.

Now, on World Press Freedom day, the mayor is threatening a complete media boycott unless Daniel Dale is fired from his job of reporting on city hall.

There is a temptation to lament that this is what we’re talking about instead of “real issues,” including the “real” story that the mayor is trying to buy a piece of a public park to increase the size of his property. But there’s often more than one issue simultaneously worthy of our attention, and the issue of the mayor’s character is significant and increasingly problematic. How can anyone achieve “journalistic balance” and report on the mayor when a history of blatant and intentional deceit is compounded with threats of physical violence (I am not prepared to define a cocked fist as anything else) towards a reporter?

Years ago, when asked why he didn’t tell the truth about being at the Leafs game, Ford said it was because he was “embarrassed.” He should be deeply embarrassed by last night’s events and his reaction to them as well, but it goes beyond that. We elect leaders to represent the best of us. When Rob Ford charged Daniel Dale, he did so as our mayor. We’re all diminished when this is the kind of leadership we have to look to, and we deserve better.

[flashy_mcflash]

BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rob Ford took a huge smelly crap in the washroom after first denying he had a gas problem this morning!

Should be on the front page of the Toronto Star tomorrow morning.

I sometimes wonder if people look around and see the kind of person that supports Rob Ford. In Rob Ford, did they truly elect themselves?

[time space]

It is truly a wonder how far advanced modern propaganda science has become!

Even with investigative journalism already being on it's death bed, they've got the common man cheering it's demise.

Of course, that's the beauty of corporate owned journalism - not only can corporations buy a government working against it's citizens, but they can get voters to clap like trained seals at the honour of "electing" them.

Soon no one will remember when journalism really was a force for truth and justice. :(

___________________________


If you don’t want reporters coming over to your place to check on your property, don’t apply to buy taxpayers’ land next to your place. We don’t sell such land every day. The request is bound to attract attention — and snoopy reporters looking to see if the request is reasonable or just another attempt by a public official to get a benefit otherwise not available to the general public.

Reporting is not Snooping. (http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1173278--james-i-believe-daniel-dale)

[NorthYorker]

I sometimes wonder if people look around and see the kind of person that supports Rob Ford.This was my thought yesterday, observing vero95's amazing ability to get honestly irritated when he repeats same lies (for example, about Dale lurking in the dark) again and again and people still call lie "a lie". Isn't it like Rob getting offended at his lies about "trespassing" being exposed again and again? They seem to share a belief that, if you feed BS to people long enough, they have to believe it.

[danfromwaterloo]

I sometimes wonder if people look around and see the kind of person that supports Rob Ford. In Rob Ford, did they truly elect themselves?

I don't think he's done that bad a job. Sure, he's a PR trainwreck, but based on the job at city hall, I think he's done better than Miller. After all, if Miller did such a bang-up job himself, there'd be no backlash to get Ford elected.

It's not like my opinion matters anyways, because I don't like in Toronto, but it always surprises me how much some people hate him for very little real reason. I think people took one look at him and said "Fat. Disshevelled. Loud. Probably stupid. Doesn't look like a mayor. Not going to like him" and no matter what, they've chosen to never waiver in that. Sure, he lies, and he seems kinda slimy, but nobody can doubt that he's very fiscally responsible. How many years was he a councillor that he didn't spend a dime of his office budget? If it were my city, I'd want the person sitting in the mayors chair that spends the city money like it's his own, not like it's a neverending tap. And, yes, even though he's a wreck, I do believe that many many people trust him with their money, and I would suspect he'll likely be re-elected.

[sam123]

This was my thought yesterday, observing vero95's amazing ability to get honestly irritated when he repeats same lies (for example, about Dale lurking in the dark) again and again and people still call lie "a lie". Isn't it like Rob getting offended at his lies about "trespassing" being exposed again and again? They seem to share a belief that, if you feed BS to people long enough, they have to believe it.

Seems to continue working for the Federal Conservatives, so no surprise others of the same ilk continue the practice.

[Thai]

I'm confused, all the lefties on here claiming that Rob Ford is a liar... well if he is indeed such a liar, then shouldn't you be embracing him and loving him to no end? After all, your Liberal leader McGuinty is the epitome of a liar. That's what the Liberals represents. Lies, deceits and undemocratic vote buying. Or are you upset that a Conservative is treading on Liberal ethics territory?

[vero95]

OP can't even respond why he called Ford a liar :facepalm:
this thread is hilarious :D

[MrBriggs]

Sure, he lies, and he seems kinda slimy, but nobody can doubt that he's very fiscally responsible. How many years was he a councillor that he didn't spend a dime of his office budget? If it were my city, I'd want the person sitting in the mayors chair that spends the city money like it's his own, not like it's a neverending tap. And, yes, even though he's a wreck, I do believe that many many people trust him with their money, and I would suspect he'll likely be re-elected.

I most certainly doubt it.
How can you call someone who was willing to pay $65,000,000 in penalties to pointlessly cancel a transit plan on which the city spent years assessing, studying and for which funding was already secured "fiscally responsible"?
How can you call someone who wastes $560,000 in order to fire an expert because he gave his technical opinion "fiscally responsible"?
If you're a fan of the small stuff, how can you call someone who hires its own company to make business cards for twice the regular price on taxpayer's dole "fiscally responsible" and having "respect for taxpayers"?

[vero95]

I most certainly doubt it.
How can you call someone who was willing to pay $65,000,000 in penalties to pointlessly cancel a transit plan on which the city spent years assessing, studying and for which funding was already secured "fiscally responsible"?
How can you call someone who wastes $560,000 in order to fire an expert because he gave his technical opinion "fiscally responsible"?
If you're a fan of the small stuff, how can you call someone who hires its own company to make business cards for twice the regular price on taxpayer's dole "fiscally responsible" and having "respect for taxpayers"?

LOL @ expert giving technical opinion
those streetcars are just an expensive toy to replace buses but will not resolve traffic congestion issues
do you think they will solve traffic congestions?

[danfromwaterloo]

I'm confused, all the lefties on here claiming that Rob Ford is a liar... well if he is indeed such a liar, then shouldn't you be embracing him and loving him to no end? After all, your Liberal leader McGuinty is the epitome of a liar. That's what the Liberals represents. Lies, deceits and undemocratic vote buying. Or are you upset that a Conservative is treading on Liberal ethics territory?

Man.

Never in my life have I ever felt so alone in the center. I'm not even really center, more "Red Tory". And yet, I feel alone. It seems both Liberal and Conservative are both running to their ends of the spectrum and leaving moderates to fend for themselves.

When did we lose respect for our opponents? When did we lose the ability to disagree without hate? It's an epidemic that is ruining civil discourse in the world.

No, Liberals are not liars, deceptive, or undemocratic, any more than Conservatives are redneck, gun-toting, white trash. And reading continuous character attacks by either side just makes me want to start my own party.

Hi. We're socially liberal, but fiscally responsible. We won't raise your taxes but we won't lower them. We'll listen to everybody and make decisions that reasonable people will agree with. We'll make prudent cuts where necessary, and expand social programs where possible to benefit the greatest number. We'll limit immigration to those who will make our country stronger, but will work closely with them to become accreditted doctors, lawyers, engineers, and accountants - if they were accreditted in their country. We'll work closely with metropolitan cities to improve transit while reducing costs. I'm danfromwaterloo, and I promise to respect even the people I disagree with. We're the Centrists, and we're the least of the necessary evils.

[danfromwaterloo]

I most certainly doubt it.
How can you call someone who was willing to pay $65,000,000 in penalties to pointlessly cancel a transit plan on which the city spent years assessing, studying and for which funding was already secured "fiscally responsible"?
How can you call someone who wastes $560,000 in order to fire an expert because he gave his technical opinion "fiscally responsible"?
If you're a fan of the small stuff, how can you call someone who hires its own company to make business cards for twice the regular price on taxpayer's dole "fiscally responsible" and having "respect for taxpayers"?

:facepalm: lol.

[MrBriggs]

LOL @ expert giving technical opinion
those streetcars are just an expensive toy to replace buses but will not resolve traffic congestion issues
do you think they will solve traffic congestions?

If streetcars made traffic volume fall considerably on St. Clair, taking two lanes of traffic, we can safely assume it will be even better everywhere else where it won't take any traffic lanes at all.

I mean, in the real world. Pretty sure things are going to work differently in the little world you have inside your head.

[Thai]

Man.

Never in my life have I ever felt so alone in the center. I'm not even really center, more "Red Tory". And yet, I feel alone. It seems both Liberal and Conservative are both running to their ends of the spectrum and leaving moderates to fend for themselves.

When did we lose respect for our opponents? When did we lose the ability to disagree without hate? It's an epidemic that is ruining civil discourse in the world.

No, Liberals are not liars, deceptive, or undemocratic, any more than Conservatives are redneck, gun-toting, white trash. And reading continuous character attacks by either side just makes me want to start my own party.

Hi. We're socially liberal, but fiscally responsible. We won't raise your taxes but we won't lower them. We'll listen to everybody and make decisions that reasonable people will agree with. We'll make prudent cuts where necessary, and expand social programs where possible to benefit the greatest number. We'll limit immigration to those who will make our country stronger, but will work closely with them to become accreditted doctors, lawyers, engineers, and accountants - if they were accreditted in their country. We'll work closely with metropolitan cities to improve transit while reducing costs. I'm danfromwaterloo, and I promise to respect even the people I disagree with. We're the Centrists, and we're the least of the necessary evils.

lol. Come on now, you're just campaigning. Reminds me of this joke:

While walking down the street one day a US senator is tragically hit by a truck and dies.
His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance.
'Welcome to heaven,' says St. Peter. 'Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see a high official around these parts, you see, so we're not sure what to do with you.'
'No problem, just let me in,' says the man.
'Well, I'd like to, but I have orders from higher up. What we'll do is have you spend one day in hell and one in heaven. Then you can choose where to spend eternity.'
'Really, I've made up my mind. I want to be in heaven,' says the senator.
'I'm sorry, but we have our rules.'
And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell. The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a green golf course. In the distance is a clubhouse and standing in front of it are all his friends and other politicians who had worked with him.
Everyone is very happy and in evening dress. They run to greet him, shake his hand, and reminisce about the good times they had while getting rich at the expense of the people.
They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster, caviar and champagne.
Also present is the devil, who really is a very friendly & nice guy who has a good time dancing and telling jokes. They are having such a good time that before he realizes it, it is time to go.
Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and waves while the elevator rises...
The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens on heaven where St. Peter is waiting for him.
'Now it's time to visit heaven.'
So, 24 hours pass with the senator joining a group of contented souls moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a good time and, before he realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by and St. Peter returns.
'Well, then, you've spent a day in hell and another in heaven. Now choose your eternity.'
The senator reflects for a minute, then he answers: 'Well, I would never have said it before, I mean heaven has been delightful, but I think I would be better off in hell.'
So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell.
Now the doors of the elevator open and he's in the middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage.
He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags as more trash falls from above.
The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around his shoulder. 'I don't understand,' stammers the senator. 'Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and clubhouse, and we ate lobster and caviar, drank champagne, and danced and had a great time. Now there's just a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable.
What happened?'
The devil looks at him, smiles and says, 'Yesterday we were campaigning.. ..

Today you voted.'

[danfromwaterloo]

lol. Come on now, you're just campaigning. Reminds me of this joke:

While walking down the street one day a US senator is tragically hit by a truck and dies.
His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance.
'Welcome to heaven,' says St. Peter. 'Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see a high official around these parts, you see, so we're not sure what to do with you.'
'No problem, just let me in,' says the man.
'Well, I'd like to, but I have orders from higher up. What we'll do is have you spend one day in hell and one in heaven. Then you can choose where to spend eternity.'
'Really, I've made up my mind. I want to be in heaven,' says the senator.
'I'm sorry, but we have our rules.'
And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell. The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a green golf course. In the distance is a clubhouse and standing in front of it are all his friends and other politicians who had worked with him.
Everyone is very happy and in evening dress. They run to greet him, shake his hand, and reminisce about the good times they had while getting rich at the expense of the people.
They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster, caviar and champagne.
Also present is the devil, who really is a very friendly & nice guy who has a good time dancing and telling jokes. They are having such a good time that before he realizes it, it is time to go.
Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and waves while the elevator rises...
The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens on heaven where St. Peter is waiting for him.
'Now it's time to visit heaven.'
So, 24 hours pass with the senator joining a group of contented souls moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a good time and, before he realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by and St. Peter returns.
'Well, then, you've spent a day in hell and another in heaven. Now choose your eternity.'
The senator reflects for a minute, then he answers: 'Well, I would never have said it before, I mean heaven has been delightful, but I think I would be better off in hell.'
So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell.
Now the doors of the elevator open and he's in the middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage.
He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags as more trash falls from above.
The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around his shoulder. 'I don't understand,' stammers the senator. 'Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and clubhouse, and we ate lobster and caviar, drank champagne, and danced and had a great time. Now there's just a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable.
What happened?'
The devil looks at him, smiles and says, 'Yesterday we were campaigning.. ..

Today you voted.'

There's no campaigning. I'm not running for office. I just think there's too much vitriol in politics today - more than there ever appears to have been in the past.

[vero95]

There's no campaigning. I'm not running for office. I just think there's too much vitriol in politics today - more than there ever appears to have been in the past.

all because of furious lefties. they embarass the city internationally

[danfromwaterloo]

all because of furious lefties. they embarass the city internationally

You don't see the irony in your comment?

[konfusion666]

There's no campaigning. I'm not running for office. I just think there's too much vitriol in politics today - more than there ever appears to have been in the past.

Must be something in the water?

[Piro21]

Man.

Never in my life have I ever felt so alone in the center. I'm not even really center, more "Red Tory". And yet, I feel alone. It seems both Liberal and Conservative are both running to their ends of the spectrum and leaving moderates to fend for themselves.

When did we lose respect for our opponents? When did we lose the ability to disagree without hate? It's an epidemic that is ruining civil discourse in the world.

No, Liberals are not liars, deceptive, or undemocratic, any more than Conservatives are redneck, gun-toting, white trash. And reading continuous character attacks by either side just makes me want to start my own party.

Hi. We're socially liberal, but fiscally responsible. We won't raise your taxes but we won't lower them. We'll listen to everybody and make decisions that reasonable people will agree with. We'll make prudent cuts where necessary, and expand social programs where possible to benefit the greatest number. We'll limit immigration to those who will make our country stronger, but will work closely with them to become accreditted doctors, lawyers, engineers, and accountants - if they were accreditted in their country. We'll work closely with metropolitan cities to improve transit while reducing costs. I'm danfromwaterloo, and I promise to respect even the people I disagree with. We're the Centrists, and we're the least of the necessary evils.

How do you position yourself as having these views and then in your very next post flat-out ignore the facts posted and reply with the ever-so-witty :facepalm:? Ford has no integrity and no realistic fiscal plan, this has been proven time and again.

Even if you're willing to ignore this, what sort of person is this to follow? The man has been charged with using drugs (which he admitted he was guilty of (http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/08/19/rob-fords-no-good-very-bad-week-haunted-by-drug-charge/)), drunk driving, and 'alleged' domestic abuse. He has a proven history of drunken outbursts in public, disregard for freedom of the press, and total disrespect for a significant portion of his constituents. Is this really the sort of leader you want?

Even on the 'fiscal conservative' issue he's a failure. His out-of-nowhere raise to the police drastically increased the amount the city spends on it's single biggest expense (a unionized one, no less), and none of his funding cuts to other services have even made up for the deficit he created there. His complete inability to come up with a financial plan to pay for his subways while he simultaneously incurs massive expenses for the city by derailing Transit City also show how terrible he is with money. As an accountant, his active resistance to any audit of his election expenses also personally offends me. The only front that he hasn't failed on is being "angry Conservative victim stereotype". It's just a shame you can't run a city on being good at that.

How badly does he need to **** up before someone realizes how badly he's ****ing up?

[MrBriggs]

:facepalm: lol.

Damn right "lol". You simply can't call him fiscally responsible, but you still do anyway. Yeah, you're a "centrist" alright.

[stuntman]

Man.

Never in my life have I ever felt so alone in the center. I'm not even really center, more "Red Tory". And yet, I feel alone. It seems both Liberal and Conservative are both running to their ends of the spectrum and leaving moderates to fend for themselves.


??So there are others in the center but you are alone?
Or maybe you are too quick to label people left or right.....like when you are driving it may be that everyone going faster than you is a maniac and every one going slower than you is an idiot.

[danfromwaterloo]

??So there are others in the center but you are alone?
Or maybe you are too quick to label people left or right.....like when you are driving it may be that everyone going faster than you is a maniac and every one going slower than you is an idiot.

If you're gonna quote George Carlin, at least give the man some credit.

[vero95]

If streetcars made traffic volume fall considerably on St. Clair, taking two lanes of traffic, we can safely assume it will be even better everywhere else where it won't take any traffic lanes at all.

I mean, in the real world. Pretty sure things are going to work differently in the little world you have inside your head.

the traffic volumes went down because people started using other streets :facepalm:
those streetcars will not resolve congestions. they will just replace buses and steal one lane from cars

[danfromwaterloo]

How do you position yourself as having these views and then in your very next post flat-out ignore the facts posted and reply with the ever-so-witty :facepalm:? Ford has no integrity and no realistic fiscal plan, this has been proven time and again.



Even if you're willing to ignore this, what sort of person is this to follow? The man has been charged with using drugs (which he admitted he was guilty of (http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/08/19/rob-fords-no-good-very-bad-week-haunted-by-drug-charge/)), drunk driving, and 'alleged' domestic abuse. He has a proven history of drunken outbursts in public, disregard for freedom of the press, and total disrespect for a significant portion of his constituents. Is this really the sort of leader you want?

Look, the guy looks like an idiot. I'll be the first to concede that. He's a PR nightmare. Nobody can really debate that. But I judge an elected official by what he does in office, not at home, and not in front of the cameras. I know a lot of people disagree with me, but I'd rather have a guy who looks like a wacko that does a great job, than a guy who looks like a movie star and can't do anything right. Not saying that's an apt comparison to Ford, but I value function over form.



Even on the 'fiscal conservative' issue he's a failure. His out-of-nowhere raise to the police drastically increased the amount the city spends on it's single biggest expense (a unionized one, no less), and none of his funding cuts to other services have even made up for the deficit he created there. His complete inability to come up with a financial plan to pay for his subways while he simultaneously incurs massive expenses for the city by derailing Transit City also show how terrible he is with money. As an accountant, his active resistance to any audit of his election expenses also personally offends me. The only front that he hasn't failed on is being "angry Conservative victim stereotype". It's just a shame you can't run a city on being good at that.

How badly does he need to **** up before someone realizes how badly he's ****ing up?

Well, see, there. That's what people should be focusing on. Criticize his work. I'm certain there's plenty to criticize there.

[flashy_mcflash]

Look, the guy looks like an idiot. I'll be the first to concede that. He's a PR nightmare. Nobody can really debate that. But I judge an elected official by what he does in office, not at home, and not in front of the cameras. I know a lot of people disagree with me, but I'd rather have a guy who looks like a wacko that does a great job, than a guy who looks like a movie star and can't do anything right. Not saying that's an apt comparison to Ford, but I value function over form.

Well, see, there. That's what people should be focusing on. Criticize his work. I'm certain there's plenty to criticize there.

Speaking personally, I think that myself and the vast majority of Ford's critics that I know or have read, start with policy but are frustrated by the ad hominem thrown in response ('leftist', 'socialist', pinko, etc) and are justified in slinging a little mud back. There is certainly a lot to work with by attacking his policies but while I don't disagree that attacks on his weight are not the best tac, you have to admit that Ford himself has, with his weigh-ins, made his weight a public issue and thus fodder for commentary as a public figure.

Your first point is well-taken. I don't really care about how our elected officials look and I'm not going to grandstand about how him taking care of his weight is indicative of the way he makes policy. I don't, however, disagree with the notion that a personal jab discredits a person's message, because few, if any, among us would have credible opinions using that criteria.

[danfromwaterloo]

Speaking personally, I think that myself and the vast majority of Ford's critics that I know or have read, start with policy but are frustrated by the ad hominem thrown in response ('leftist', 'socialist', pinko, etc) and are justified in slinging a little mud back. There is certainly a lot to work with by attacking his policies but while I don't disagree that attacks on his weight are not the best tac, you have to admit that Ford himself has, with his weigh-ins, made his weight a public issue and thus fodder for commentary as a public figure.

Your first point is well-taken. I don't really care about how our elected officials look and I'm not going to grandstand about how him taking care of his weight is indicative of the way he makes policy. I don't, however, disagree with the notion that a personal jab discredits a person's message, because few, if any, among us would have credible opinions using that criteria.

Everybody slinging mud just gets everybody dirty, and doesn't address the real issues. Mudslinging only makes the person throwing the mud look dirty. Look at FOX News in the US (aka the King of Mudslinging). Nobody would call them responsible journalists. Staying on point makes the questioner look respectable. We should all mind that fact.

Personal jabs are inevitable, but shouldn't be the main contention of the criticism. If a person is truly criticism-worthy, surely there must be more substance to it than a person's appearance.

[flashy_mcflash]

Everybody slinging mud just gets everybody dirty, and doesn't address the real issues. Mudslinging only makes the person throwing the mud look dirty. Look at FOX News in the US (aka the King of Mudslinging). Nobody would call them responsible journalists. Staying on point makes the questioner look respectable. We should all mind that fact.

Personal jabs are inevitable, but shouldn't be the main contention of the criticism. If a person is truly criticism-worthy, surely there must be more substance to it than a person's appearance.

From what I've seen, as I said, it almost always starts with some kind of policy quarrel with Ford, and then the rhetoric escalates until one side is screaming "FAT" and the other is hollering "UNION PARASITE".

I dunno, I'm a little sick of having to take the high road when that's the response I'm met with, time and time again.

[danfromwaterloo]

From what I've seen, as I said, it almost always starts with some kind of policy quarrel with Ford, and then the rhetoric escalates until one side is screaming "FAT" and the other is hollering "UNION PARASITE".

I dunno, I'm a little sick of having to take the high road when that's the response I'm met with, time and time again.

What I'm saying, though, is that the high road is the only road to take.

[flashy_mcflash]

What I'm saying, though, is that the high road is the only road to take.

Not when the other side is winning, or at least dominating the debate by using 'low-road' tactics.

[manmanny]

What I'm saying, though, is that the high road is the only road to take.

The High road is the only road to the left. All their posts stinks of name calling who don't agree with their left view.
The nerve some name calling, educated fail idiots have. And then they claim that they are taking high road. Mind boggling.

[flashy_mcflash]

The High road is the only road to the left. All their posts stinks of name calling who don't agree with their left view.
The nerve some name calling, educated fail idiots have. And then they claim that they are taking high road. Mind boggling.

Irony called, they want their posts back.

[stealth]

ugly looking house. hard to imagine the mayor of one of North Americas bigges cities living in somethign like that.

"upscale neighborhood"...You can see the subsidized housing apartments looming in the background, lol.

That said, all that should matter is if its legal for him to buy the land, and if its legal for him to do whatever building/demo/renos he wants. His intentions are noones business, if he wants to make a few bucks LEGALLY on the side while in office.
Nobody said anything about Lastman shilling for his family business in tv commercials while he was in office...NOOOOOBODY!;)

The Star sure does like to create stories about nothing. I fully expect at the rate theyre going to start seeing headlines like : YESTERDAY, UFO's NOT SEE FLYING OVER TORONTO....THAT WE KNOW OF!

[stealth]

The High road is the only road to the left. All their posts stinks of name calling who don't agree with their left view.
The nerve some name calling, educated fail idiots have. And then they claim that they are taking high road. Mind boggling.

Every time I see one of these RFD political threads lately with the defacto self-righteous pontificating from the usual suspects on both sides, i keep getting flashbacks to one of Richard Jeni's last acts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDM_96X40BU

[vero95]

why is this thread still going?
OP failed to explain why he called Ford a liar. you can't call someone a liar because he changed his mind about renovating or rebuilding his house after two years
that's really dumb

[Thai]

ugly looking house. hard to imagine the mayor of one of North Americas bigges cities living in somethign like that.

"upscale neighborhood"...You can see the subsidized housing apartments looming in the background, lol.

That said, all that should matter is if its legal for him to buy the land, and if its legal for him to do whatever building/demo/renos he wants. His intentions are noones business, if he wants to make a few bucks LEGALLY on the side while in office.
Nobody said anything about Lastman shilling for his family business in tv commercials while he was in office...NOOOOOBODY!;)

The Star sure does like to create stories about nothing. I fully expect at the rate theyre going to start seeing headlines like : YESTERDAY, UFO's NOT SEE FLYING OVER TORONTO....THAT WE KNOW OF!

A politician that doesn't live in an ivory tower or mansion is more likely to understand and better represent the people. And it shows. Just imagine if Smitherman was mayor...

[LostInTruth]

A politician that doesn't live in an ivory tower or mansion is more likely to understand and better represent the people. And it shows. Just imagine if Smitherman was mayor...

And yet, he doesn't understand the people. Everyone is laughing at this guy.

How do people stand behind a man who is a liar, bully, discriminatory, egotistical maniac is mind boggling. I guess they see the man that they aspire to be through him. :confused:

There was a great article written by Royson James in response to the whole Daniel Dale situation. http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1173278--james-i-believe-daniel-dale


I believe Daniel Dale.

That doesn’t mean the mayor is lying again. Or that he is intentionally misleading the public when he says my colleague stood on cinder blocks and peered into his backyard. Sometimes, things are more complicated than they seem. Two people looking at the same body of evidence can reach divergent conclusions.

I believe Daniel Dale because he sits two desks over from me and has done so for more than a year. You get to know people somewhat by observing them at close quarters day in, day out.

And, from observation, Daniel Dale has no guile. If he did he would not have told us he ran, scared, from the mayor.

He’s an honest, hard-working, excellent reporter — and the awards he’s received proves this.

Dale was being a good reporter when he attempted to see for himself exactly what Mayor Rob Ford has in mind by seeking to buy a piece of public land to, the mayor claims, augment the security and privacy around his home of many years.

Ford’s neighbour saw Dale taking pictures around the back of Ford’s house and called the mayor. So far, so good.

Apparently, the neighbour said he saw Dale up on cinder blocks peeping into the mayor’s yard. The mayor didn’t see that. But he came charging towards Dale, fist cocked, screaming, intent, he admits, on hitting the reporter who he outweighs two to one. So far, so good.

Dale says he did not step on cinder blocks, did not even see the blocks and did not peer into the mayor’s backyard. And he was always on public property.

So he is not a peeping Tom, as the mayor claims. Not that there is anything wrong with a reporter being a peeping Tom. It goes with the job. We are proud of such name-calling. We have no shame. It’s what we do.

If a public official won’t talk to us at the office, we try for a comment at his home. Make yourself available, like any other public official, and there is no need to follow you home. Hide and dodge and refuse to disclose your schedule — or communicate only to your favourite reporters or news outlets — and the ink-stained wretches will trundle over to your favourite watering hole to see if you are more inclined to talk there.

If the mayor says he can’t attend the Pride Parade because he can’t possibly miss family time at the cottage, we go up to the cottage to see if he is, in fact, there.

Call that snooping, if you want. We won’t lose any sleep over the characterization. It’s our job. When we show up at the cottage, you can choose to speak or not. Or call us snoops.

Jittery about intruders? Don’t give out your home number, your home address, or invite hordes over to your place for a big annual ribfest and then complain about the privacy of your home and family.

If you don’t want jokes about your weight, don’t make it the subject of a weekly weigh-in, don’t start a public campaign to ha-ha “cut the waist” and then hit the fast-food joints and miss several of the weigh-ins. If you do, expect that more than a few commentators will weigh in on the subject.

If you don’t want reporters coming over to your place to check on your property, don’t apply to buy taxpayers’ land next to your place. We don’t sell such land every day. The request is bound to attract attention — and snoopy reporters looking to see if the request is reasonable or just another attempt by a public official to get a benefit otherwise not available to the general public.

If you are going to run for public office, expect that your opponents will take a shot at you; that they will dig up dirt on you and give it to reporters; that journalists will investigate the charges; that sometimes it is near impossible to tell who is telling the “truth.”

Understand that journalists are not mandated to declare the truth. We compile information and present it. We are like court reporters. We record who said what. We distribute it into the court of public opinion for the reader-juror to declare guilt or innocence.

Yes, columnists and pundits act as judge and jury. That’s part of the mix. But the public is always the Supreme Court.

When the Star runs a story saying some people accuse Rob Ford of getting physical with a football player — and the newspaper report clearly says other people dispute the charge — the Star has done its duty.

That particular story is supposed to be the source of Rob Ford’s anger towards the Star. But, like a good watchdog, the Star barked. It alerted readers to a potential problem and it warned that there are conflicting accounts.

A watchdog doesn’t determine whether a visitor is friend or foe. It barks. If the assumed intruder happens to be a friend of the master, the watchdog lies down and waits for the next sign of another intruder.

Mayor Ford insists he won’t talk to journalists in the presence of Star reporters. This I do know. I will be at the mayor’s weigh-in Monday morning. And I hope Daniel is there, too.

And if reporters in the city hall press gallery — including those who have been crapping on the Star for doing what they themselves have done, and will do — want to slip into the mayor’s office to do their exclusive interviews away from the prying eyes of the Star, knock yourselves out.

The day the Star removes a Daniel Dale from city hall coverage to appease a mayor, is the day I’ll request they move me as well.

Until then, if the mayor cocks his fist at this journalist, he’d better be prepared to use it.

[time space]

The nerve some name calling, educated fail idiots have.

Irony called, they want their posts back.

It's certainly impressive that it was all contained within a single sentence - I nominate it for RFD Gold!

[time space]

There was a great article written by Royson James in response to the whole Daniel Dale situation. http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1173278--james-i-believe-daniel-dale

Revealingly, this was Doug Ford's comment (http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1174978--mayor-ford-mute-in-first-encounter-with-daniel-dale-since-last-week-s-confrontation?bn=1) about reporter Daniel Dale today at the City Hall weigh-in:


Doug Ford said: “I feel sorry for Daniel Dale. My opinion, he was thrown underneath the bus from his own company ... He’s told to go hide in the bushes at the mayor’s house and not one single person in this press gallery would do that, and I don’t think Daniel Dale would do that. He’s a good guy, in my opinion.” He then walked back into the mayor’s office.

That is an unusually conciliatory tone for one of the Ford brothers to take. I wouldn't be surprised if they are trying to keep on Dale's good side because they are afraid he will press assault charges against Rob Ford (which he is guilty of by the fact he admitted that he cocked his fists at him).

I think at this point, they're done with using this distractionary tactic since the tide of public opinion has turned against them. I wonder what they'll dream up next to take our minds off their ineffective management of the city?

[manmanny]

Irony called, they want their posts back.

Journalism called, they would like to work at Toronto Star. For free.


And yet, he doesn't understand the people. Everyone is laughing at this guy.

How do people stand behind a man who is a liar, bully, discriminatory, egotistical maniac is mind boggling. I guess they see the man that they aspire to be through him. :confused:

There was a great article written by Royson James in response to the whole Daniel Dale situation. http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1173278--james-i-believe-daniel-dale

Royson James and great article don't go together.
All his life he blasted NDP and Mayor Miller now he praising NDP. Some people like James will do anything for money.

Toronto

[stuntman]

If you're gonna quote George Carlin, at least give the man some credit.

It is a pretty well known phrase now a days...no way trying to pass it off as original.
Hey, if you are going to reply at least reply the to the question. Rude.

you have a habit of not answering questions.

[stuntman]

To be on point with this thread.
The article by the Star: http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1175674--toronto-police-will-not-charge-reporter-daniel-dale-over-mayor-rob-ford-incident?bn=1

-says there were no pictures taken of Ford's home and Ford's video showed no evidence of tresspass

AND

I think it is implying that Ford or someone Ford gave the phone to charged the reporters BB shortly after taking it and started using it. Does that seem accurate?
Could the police have charged it and started calling people on it so quick?

bwahahahha!

[NorthYorker]

Assuming that the Star communicated information correctly (which they usually do, their preferred way to put a spin on events is to avoid certain information), it seems to me that there're serious grounds to warrant a second look by City's ethics commissioner. Police's version of the event matches Dale's to a "t" and seriously contradicts statements of Doug and Rob.

[vero95]

that's a great story, bro
you did it again :D

[manmanny]

To be on point with this thread.
The article by the Star: http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1175674--toronto-police-will-not-charge-reporter-daniel-dale-over-mayor-rob-ford-incident?bn=1

-says there were no pictures taken of Ford's home and Ford's video showed no evidence of tresspass

AND

I think it is implying that Ford or someone Ford gave the phone to charged the reporters BB shortly after taking it and started using it. Does that seem accurate?
Could the police have charged it and started calling people on it so quick?

bwahahahha!

This is good news. So he was just a wuss, surrendering phone/recorder.
Now time to charged Ford for using stolen property. Get it done with him. No more Drama.

[MrBriggs]

Assuming that the Star communicated information correctly (which they usually do, their preferred way to put a spin on events is to avoid certain information), it seems to me that there're serious grounds to warrant a second look by City's ethics commissioner. Police's version of the event matches Dale's to a "t" and seriously contradicts statements of Doug and Rob.

Is anyone keeping tabs on how many ethics probes Rob Ford is facing now?

[vero95]

no wonder he surrendered the cell if there were no pics :facepalm:
and that's a proof of what? :facepalm:

[vero95]

Is anyone keeping tabs on how many ethics probes Rob Ford is facing now?

I bet the lawyers do. we pay for those idiotic suits, no?
where do you think the money comes from?

[hdave]

IMO, Rob Ford over-reacted with his confrontation and The Star made a big deal out of nothing.

Rob Ford had no idea it was a reporter, for all he knows, it could have been anyone.
His kids were home, and there have been death threats against him..
I'd be pissed too if I saw someone snooping around my place (even if they are on public property, I don't like it, and I don't expect anyone else to like it either)
I understand him going out there too, I've heard someone snooping around my backyard once, during the blackout, I went out there and started yelling at night. (my backyard leads to the humber river, so people should not be back there)
I did not call the cops (and it did not cross my mind at the time)

But.. With all of his history and everything, Rob shouldn't have gone out after the guy, he should have just called the police and let them deal with it.


The Star turned nothing into something, as they always do with it comes to Rob Ford.
They made a huge story out of something that was just a misunderstanding.

Dale seems like a p*ssy to me, so what, the Mayor is walking up to you like he might punch you, why was Dale so scared? What did he realistically think Rob Ford (the Mayor, with a hell of a lot to lose) would actually do to him.
I don't think Dale was as scared and threatened as he made it out to be.
All guys have been in similar situations, and i bet he wasn't "the most scared he's ever been bla bla bla" or whatever he said

[hdave]

And regarding him saying Dale was snooping, and taking pics, on a block, etc.. I'm sure he legitimately believed that happened.
Its like any eyewitnesses that police interview.. Everyone has a different story, and none are lying. That is what they truly believed happened.

[NorthYorker]

Rob Ford had no idea it was a reporterWrong, he recognized Dale before cornering him, fists raised.
The Star turned nothing into somethingWrong, it was Rob Ford calling media and organizing a press conference several hours after the event, but well before Star's publication
I'm sure he legitimately believed that happened.Either him or Doug were claiming that their security tape shows Dale's head bobbing up and down over the fence, which it most likely does not.

Try better next time.

[vero95]

And regarding him saying Dale was snooping, and taking pics, on a block, etc.. I'm sure he legitimately believed that happened.
Its like any eyewitnesses that police interview.. Everyone has a different story, and none are lying. That is what they truly believed happened.

I agree
and the star was saying his neighbour told Rob the guy was trespassing. probably therefore Rob overreacted

[MrBriggs]

I agree
and the star was saying his neighbour told Rob the guy was trespassing. probably therefore Rob overreacted

Him and Doug said that the tape clearly shows him peeking at his backyard... it's not so much as they believed in Rob's neighbour. They just made up stuff, as usual. It wasn't the first time, it won't be the last.

[vero95]

Him and Doug said that the tape clearly shows him peeking at his backyard... it's not so much as they believed in Rob's neighbour. They just made up stuff, as usual. It wasn't the first time, it won't be the last.

I thought it was Doug who was quoted, no?
have you seen the video? the fact that police found nothing to charge Dale does not mean that he was not looking over the fence. you do not charge people just for looking over the fence :facepalm: if just looking over the fence were a reason to lay charges, police would be pressing millions of charges every day, no?

“The investigation is concluded and there is no evidence to lay any charges,” he said.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/09/police-not-laying-charges-over-rob-ford-toronto-star-reporter-confronation/

[BornRuff]

I thought it was Doug who was quoted, no?
have you seen the video? the fact that police found nothing to charge Dale does not mean that he was not looking over the fence. you do not charge people just for looking over the fence :facepalm: if just looking over the fence were a reason to lay charges, police would be pressing millions of charges every day, no?

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/09/police-not-laying-charges-over-rob-ford-toronto-star-reporter-confronation/

After this incident happened, Ford called the media to his house, showed them where everything took place, walked them through his version of the events, and even showed off the cinder block that he claims Dale was standing on. If the security footage actually supported his case, why would he not show it to the media?

[vero95]

Wrong, he recognized Dale before cornering him, fists raised.
sure but it's not what he was talking about. he was saying that Rob did not know who it was when he ran to the back of his house


Wrong, it was Rob Ford calling media and organizing a press conference several hours after the event, but well before Star's publication.
I thought the media was already there when Rob caught Dale, no?


Either him or Doug were claiming that their security tape shows Dale's head bobbing up and down over the fence, which it most likely does not.
I think it was Doug, no? "most likely does not" does not mean it did not happen, no?


Try better next time.
yeah, try better ;)

[vero95]

After this incident happened, Ford called the media to his house, showed them where everything took place, walked them through his version of the events, and even showed off the cinder block that he claims Dale was standing on. If the security footage actually supported his case, why would he not show it to the media?

because he is not an idiot like the star and its reporters?
if Dale's head was not bobbing up and down it would be quite stupid to give the evidence to the police that it's not really true, no?

[vero95]

in the end, you can't blame Ford for being unfriendly to the press if he offers the toronto star reporters cookies, no?

Councillor Ford added that if Mr. Dale decides to come over again, “he should maybe make a phone call, and we’ll leave him some biscuits outside the fence every night.”
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/09/police-not-laying-charges-over-rob-ford-toronto-star-reporter-confronation/

[BornRuff]

because he is not an idiot like the star and its reporters?
if Dale's head was not bobbing up and down it would be quite stupid to give the evidence to the police that it's not really true, no?

The tape is what it is. If they doctored the tapes and gave them to the cops, that would be illegal. If the cops were aware of the security cameras back there, they likely would have requested the tape. I have no idea if he is legally required to hand the tapes over or not, but refusing to do so certainly would look fishy.

Ford can give the tapes to the police and tell the media whatever he wants about what he thinks the tape shows. The cops will look at the tapes and make up their own minds.

[stealth]

And yet, he doesn't understand the people. Everyone is laughing at this guy.

How do people stand behind a man who is a liar, bully, discriminatory, egotistical maniac is mind boggling. I guess they see the man that they aspire to be through him. :confused:

There was a great article written by Royson James in response to the whole Daniel Dale situation. http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1173278--james-i-believe-daniel-dale

That article is full of logic fail.
One sanctimonious idiot defending another and basically claiming the press has carte Blanche to do whatever it wants to citizens in their private lives as if freedom of the press trumps every other personal freedom :facepalm:

[stuntman]

because he is not an idiot like the star and its reporters?
if Dale's head was not bobbing up and down it would be quite stupid to give the evidence to the police that it's not really true, no?

I read one of your posts.......again :facepalm:
It might be stupid but he would likely not get caught in the lie. Ford could say just about anything he wanted and it would not be proven otherwise. He owns the tape and the cops are not about to release it.

[vero95]

The tape is what it is. If they doctored the tapes and gave them to the cops, that would be illegal. If the cops were aware of the security cameras back there, they likely would have requested the tape. I have no idea if he is legally required to hand the tapes over or not, but refusing to do so certainly would look fishy.

Ford can give the tapes to the police and tell the media whatever he wants about what he thinks the tape shows. The cops will look at the tapes and make up their own minds.

LOL at doctoring the tape :facepalm:
you are desparate now

[MrBriggs]

I thought it was Doug who was quoted, no?
have you seen the video? the fact that police found nothing to charge Dale does not mean that he was not looking over the fence. you do not charge people just for looking over the fence :facepalm: if just looking over the fence were a reason to lay charges, police would be pressing millions of charges every day, no?

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/09/police-not-laying-charges-over-rob-ford-toronto-star-reporter-confronation/

Well, la-dee-freaking-dah! Please do tell me why Rob Ford then called a press conference and handed the video to the police if not for possibly charging the guy.

[vero95]

Well, la-dee-freaking-dah! Please do tell me why Rob Ford then called a press conference and handed the video to the police if not for possibly charging the guy.

yeah, why did he do that if the guy's head was not bobbing up and down on the video :facepalm:
a head bobbing up and down is not enough to lay charges. another logic fail

[stuntman]

Well, la-dee-freaking-dah! Please do tell me why Rob Ford then called a press conference and handed the video to the police if not for possibly charging the guy.

Have you ever heard of grandstanding? Politics? Smear campaigns? Attack ads?

Throw a false premise out and a few are likely to bite and draw the conclusion the accuser put out there.
Ford could not be charged with supplying false evidence and making a false statement if he "believed it" Charges would never stick.

[vero95]

Have you ever heard of grandstanding? Politics? Smear campaigns? Attack ads?

Throw a false premise out and a few are likely to bite and draw the conclusion the accuser put out there.
Ford could not be charged with supplying false evidence and making a false statement if he "believed it" Charges would never stick.

LOL that's so dumb I do not know where to start to comment on this :facepalm:...

[vero95]

And yet, he doesn't understand the people. Everyone is laughing at this guy.

How do people stand behind a man who is a liar, bully, discriminatory, egotistical maniac is mind boggling. I guess they see the man that they aspire to be through him. :confused:

There was a great article written by Royson James in response to the whole Daniel Dale situation. http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1173278--james-i-believe-daniel-dale

they guy is an idiot. the only paper that would publish such idiotism is the toronto star :facepalm:


If a public official won’t talk to us at the office, we try for a comment at his home. Make yourself available, like any other public official, and there is no need to follow you home. Hide and dodge and refuse to disclose your schedule — or communicate only to your favourite reporters or news outlets — and the ink-stained wretches will trundle over to your favourite watering hole to see if you are more inclined to talk there.

If the mayor says he can’t attend the Pride Parade because he can’t possibly miss family time at the cottage, we go up to the cottage to see if he is, in fact, there.

Call that snooping, if you want. We won’t lose any sleep over the characterization. It’s our job. When we show up at the cottage, you can choose to speak or not. Or call us snoops.

Jittery about intruders? Don’t give out your home number, your home address, or invite hordes over to your place for a big annual ribfest and then complain about the privacy of your home and family.

[BornRuff]

LOL at doctoring the tape :facepalm:
you are desparate now

When did I say that he doctored the tapes? You are the one who said "it would be quite stupid to give the evidence to the police that it's not really true, no?"

Evidence that is "not true" would be a doctored tape, no?

That would clearly be illegal, but there is no evidence that he did that.

What I said is that Ford is perfectly free to tell the media whatever he wants about the tapes. It doesn't make it true or mean that he lied or deceived the police if the tapes do not back him up.

[stuntman]

LOL that's so dumb I do not know where to start to comment on this :facepalm:...

You seem to slap your face a lot. I put you on ignore for a reason: so I don't see you idiotic low IQ posts. For some reason I seem I open some of your ignored posts just to see if things are improving.

What I said is clearly not dumb you think it is because you lack knowledge of how things work in the world.
Your ignorance is astounding.

[vero95]

When did I say that he doctored the tapes? You are the one who said "it would be quite stupid to give the evidence to the police that it's not really true, no?"

Evidence that is "not true" would be a doctored tape, no?

That would clearly be illegal, but there is no evidence that he did that.

What I said is that Ford is perfectly free to tell the media whatever he wants about the tapes. It doesn't make it true or mean that he lied or deceived the police.

did you read what I said? I said that it would be stupid to give police evidence that his head was not bobbing up and down

if Dale's head was not bobbing up and down it would be quite stupid to give the evidence to the police that it's not really true, no?

[vero95]

You seem to slap your face a lot. I put you on ignore for a reason: so I don't see you idiotic low IQ posts. For some reason I seem I open some of your ignored posts just to see if things are improving.

What I said is clearly not dumb you think it is because you lack knowledge of how things work in the world.
Your ignorance is astounding.

I guess it was very immature from you to put me on the ignore list if you can't stop yourself from reading my posts

[BornRuff]

did you read what I said? I said that it would be stupid to give police evidence that his head was not bobbing up and down

What does Ford have to lose? Did he even have a choice in handing over the tapes?

He can say whatever he wants about the tapes the media, and if he refuses to release the tapes, we just need to take him on his word.

[stuntman]

I guess it was very immature from you to put me on the ignore list if you can't stop yourself from reading my posts

Trust me. Since I put you and CDNPatriot on ignore the threads are much more coherent.
Don't you have an on topic item?

You slap you face and say things like 'I don't know where to begin with your dumb statement' without explanation. You have no explanation because you are faking....trying to put on like you are some intellect when in fact you have no clue.
You post a lot of nonsense/garbage. Try to post more when you know something and less when you don't know something and are faking and things will improve.

[vero95]

What does Ford have to lose? Did he even have a choice in handing over the tapes?

He can say whatever he wants about the tapes the media, and if he refuses to release the tapes, we just need to take him on his word.

he had a choice not to call police if the tapes were not showing Dale's head bobbing up and down
it's quiet unlikely that Dale did not look over the fence at least once. he went behind the house for a reason
therefore it's unlikely that his head is not visible in the video but that was not enough to lay charges

[vero95]

Trust me. Since I put you and CDNPatriot on ignore the threads are much more coherent.
Don't you have an on topic item?

You slap you face and say things like 'I don't know where to begin with your dumb statement' without explanation. You have no explanation because you are faking....trying to put on like you are some intellect when in fact you have no clue.
You post a lot of nonsense/garbage. Try to post more when you know something and less when you don't know something and are faking and things will improve.

I am not faking. you are faking that you have me on the ignore list
I never put anyone on the ignore list but my understanding is that if you did that, you would not be able to see my posts, no?

[stuntman]

I am not faking. you are faking that you have me on the ignore list
I never put anyone on the ignore list but my understanding is that if you did that, you would not be able to see my posts, no?

I put you on the ignore list because I can't tell you to STFU and expect you to do so. You and continued face slapping with no intelligence behind it is annoying (among other things).

If you want to find out how the feature works try it out yourself, put me on ignore and view the thread.

[vero95]

I put you on the ignore list because I can't tell you to STFU and expect you to do so. You and continued face slapping with no intelligence behind it is annoying (among other things).

If you want to find out how the feature works try it out yourself, put me on ignore and view the thread.

bringing up other person's intelligence in a discussion means that you have no valid arguments and are practically losing the debate
you should try to avoid it. you did better when I was on that list of yours

[stuntman]

Well, la-dee-freaking-dah! Please do tell me why Rob Ford then called a press conference and handed the video to the police if not for possibly charging the guy.


Have you ever heard of grandstanding? Politics? Smear campaigns? Attack ads?

Throw a false premise out and a few are likely to bite and draw the conclusion the accuser put out there.
Ford could not be charged with supplying false evidence and making a false statement if he "believed it" Charges would never stick.

^^^ me making a statement and presenting an argument followed by you making statement with no argument or intelligence.


LOL that's so dumb I do not know where to start to comment on this :facepalm:...
^^^common post by you....face slapping and empty comment.



You seem to slap your face a lot. I put you on ignore for a reason: so I don't see you idiotic low IQ posts. For some reason I seem I open some of your ignored posts just to see if things are improving.

What I said is clearly not dumb you think it is because you lack knowledge of how things work in the world.
Your ignorance is astounding.

^^^ me commenting on your continued face slapping without argument.


Trust me. Since I put you and CDNPatriot on ignore the threads are much more coherent.
Don't you have an on topic item?

You slap you face and say things like 'I don't know where to begin with your dumb statement' without explanation. You have no explanation because you are faking....trying to put on like you are some intellect when in fact you have no clue.
You post a lot of nonsense/garbage. Try to post more when you know something and less when you don't know something and are faking and things will improve.

^^^me again commenting on your lack of an argument and intelligence when it comes to posting.


bringing up other person's intelligence in a discussion means that you have no valid arguments and are practically losing the debate
you should try to avoid it. you did better when I was on that list of yours

I had a an OT point and you had not ...just face slapping and calling a post dumb. You had no point.

My current point is that your posts lack intelligence.....your lack of intelligent posts is the argument. (OMG can't you see that?) How can I comment on your posts lack of intelligence without bringing up your intelligence?
I made my comment up above about the Ford item. The rest is about you. How many of your face slapping and idiotic posts do I have to pull out to show that your posts often lack any hint of intelligence?

[vero95]

^^^ me making a statement and presenting an argument followed by you making statement with no argument or intelligence.


^^^common post by you....face slapping and empty comment.




^^^ me commenting on your continued face slapping without argument.



^^^me again commenting on your lack of an argument and intelligence when it comes to posting.



I had a an OT point and you had not ...just face slapping and calling a post dumb. You had no point.

My current point is that your posts lack intelligence.....your lack of intelligent posts is the argument. (OMG can't you see that?) How can I comment on your posts lack of intelligence without bringing up your intelligence?
I made my comment up above about the Ford item. The rest is about you. How many of your face slapping and idiotic posts do I have to pull out to show that your posts often lack any hint of intelligence?

I see you had to release some steam :D
if you do not understand what was dumb, implying that Ford falsified the evidence and made false statements because he knew he could get away with it was really dumb
you can relax now

[NorthYorker]

sure but it's not what he was talking about. he was saying that Rob did not know who it was when he ran to the back of his house


I thought the media was already there when Rob caught Dale, no?


I think it was Doug, no? "most likely does not" does not mean it did not happen, no?


yeah, try better ;)Thank you for your comment. It shows the level of integrity and intellectual prowess necessary to support Rob Ford.

[vero95]

Thank you for your comment. It shows the level of integrity and intellectual prowess necessary to support Rob Ford.

you welcome. ironically people lacking the skills you mentioned are his most furious attackers

[flashy_mcflash]

Not really. We've been telling you from the beginning that the guy wasn't spying and no charge was warranted, and look where we are.

Seriously, if being wrong about everything you post was a mutant power, they'd call you Cyclops.

[NorthYorker]

you welcome. ironically people lacking the skills you mentioned are his most furious attackers:D :D :D You're on crusade, man. Keep doing it...

[vero95]

Not really. We've been telling you from the beginning that the guy wasn't spying and no charge was warranted, and look where we are.

Seriously, if being wrong about everything you post was a mutant power, they'd call you Cyclops.

not sure why you sound so sceptical about where we are. I think we've made a progress and things do not look as bad as you describe especially for Dale if he decides to visit Ford again

Councillor Ford added that if Mr. Dale decides to come over again, “he should maybe make a phone call, and we’ll leave him some biscuits outside the fence every night.”
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/09/police-not-laying-charges-over-rob-ford-toronto-star-reporter-confronation/

[flashy_mcflash]

Thanks for that news. Ford must have a lot of biscuits at home, because he's tremendously fat.

[a-tree]

Thanks for that news. Ford must have a lot of biscuits at home, because he's tremendously fat.

What a mean thing to say.

[manmanny]

What a mean thing to say.

He is always like that. nothing new. education fail generation.

[flashy_mcflash]

What a mean thing to say.

Mean would be telling a woman she should be sent to Iran to be raped and shot. That was mildly offensive at best since thin people do not typically engage in very public weight-loss campaigns featuring gigantic novelty scales.

[NorthYorker]

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/09/police-not-laying-charges-over-rob-ford-toronto-star-reporter-confronation/Again, I could not help but notice that only old ideological animosity kept NP (the most Ford-friendly and Star-hating non-tabloid outlet) from outright declaration "Fords lied and Star was right all along". Alcoba so meticulously collected all false claims by brothers and placed them next to Fords' childish insults, it can't be a coincident.
The only remaining Ford-friendly newspaper (http://www.torontosun.com/2012/05/09/no-charges-in-ford-star-confrontation), as it was completely expected, didn't dare to remind their readers about Fords' lies, and geniuses in Comments are having kittens about subversive Commies infiltrating Toronto Police and turning it into Ford-hounding CheKa :D

[ippon]

What a mean thing to say.

he can't call a fat person, fat?
are you some sort of a politicallyy correctness loving lefty?

[a-tree]

he can't call a fat person, fat?
are you some sort of a politicallyy correctness loving lefty?

Funny how the most fervent support of LGBT rights on rfd should talk about love of political correctness.

[ippon]

Funny how the most fervent support of LGBT rights on rfd should talk about love of political correctness.

you must be confused. what the LGBT rights have to do with political correctness?

i do hate pc police like you.

[a-tree]

you must be confused. what the LGBT rights have to do with political correctness?

i do hate pc police like you.

Pc police? You're the one that goes all ape sh*t over people holding the opinion that transsexuals shouldn't compete in a pageant. You must really, really hate yourself.

[vero95]

Again, I could not help but notice that only old ideological animosity kept NP (the most Ford-friendly and Star-hating non-tabloid outlet) from outright declaration "Fords lied and Star was right all along". Alcoba so meticulously collected all false claims by brothers and placed them next to Fords' childish insults, it can't be a coincident.
The only remaining Ford-friendly newspaper (http://www.torontosun.com/2012/05/09/no-charges-in-ford-star-confrontation), as it was completely expected, didn't dare to remind their readers about Fords' lies, and geniuses in Comments are having kittens about subversive Commies infiltrating Toronto Police and turning it into Ford-hounding CheKa :D

that's your interpretation. NP and all people who are capable of thinking for themsleves and do not rely on digested information star provides would not call Ford a liar.
why would they? police get tons of cases and make decisions based on the evidence given to them to lay the charges or not. if they do not lay charges, it does not mean someone lied. it may mean that there is insufficient evidence
you read too much of star's propaganda and it got to your brain. stop reading the star and you will see your headache will be gone ;)

[NorthYorker]

if they do not lay charges, it does not mean someone liedIn this particular case, it does. Doug claimed that his security tape shows Dale's head "bobbing over the fence", and police did not confirm, after viewing the tape.

[ippon]

Pc police? You're the one that goes all ape sh*t over people holding the opinion that transsexuals shouldn't compete in a pageant. You must really, really hate yourself.

you must be confused again.
think a bit harder.

and again, what does defending LGBT rights have to do with political correctness?

[vero95]

In this particular case, it does. Doug claimed that his security tape shows Dale's head "bobbing over the fence", and police did not confirm, after viewing the tape.

glad you stick to the facts and are not saying Rob said so. although it does not stop you from calling Rob a liar :D maybe because star is saying now it was Ford but they do not say which one: Rob or Doug

police was never quoted that Dale's head was not "bobbing over the fence". the star reports what was being said but what the star reports can be what they wanted to hear. it's quite unlikely that Dale was in the back of Ford's house and never had a look at his house. however, looking over the fence once or twice is not enough to lay charges.

here is an example of how star manipulates facts and publishes words that were never said and whose meaning is unclear :facepalm:

“No (there is no evidence you were doing those things). Because if you were, then you would’ve been charged,” Johnston told Dale. “I didn’t find any evidence to substantiate a charge.”
http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1175674--toronto-police-will-not-charge-reporter-daniel-dale-over-mayor-rob-ford-incident

[a-tree]

you must be confused again.
think a bit harder.

and again, what does defending LGBT rights have to do with political correctness?

Aw, now your feelings are all hurt.

What does labeling a statement 'mean' have to do with political correctness?

[NorthYorker]

glad you stick to the facts and are not saying Rob said so.Rob said another lie, about Dale taking pictures (http://m.torontosun.com/2012/05/02/police-called-to-mayors-home-over-star-reporters-alleged-trespassing?noimage=true). Look, even Sun proves (as much as it is against their wishes) that Rob lied to media.
although it does not stop you from calling Rob a liarWhy should it prevent me from calling Rob a liar, if Toronto Sun proves he lied?
police was never quoted that Dale's head was not "bobbing over the fence". the star reports what was being saidYou are wrong again. It was not the Star, it was Doug (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/05/03/rob-ford-reporter-confrontation658.html) in his interactions with media. Are you ever tired of being wrong? Learn from a-tree, stick to one-line insults and hollow declarations "I'm right". Facts are not your forte, to put it mildly. He's bad with facts too, but he's smart enough to understand it.

[ippon]

Aw, now your feelings are all hurt.

What does labeling a statement 'mean' have to do with political correctness?

let me type this really slowly for your benefit.

what
does
defending
LGBT
rights
have
to
do
with
political
correctness
?

go spread your pc crap elsewhere.

[vero95]

Rob said another lie, about Dale taking pictures (http://m.torontosun.com/2012/05/02/police-called-to-mayors-home-over-star-reporters-alleged-trespassing?noimage=true). Look, even Sun proves (as much as it is against their will) that Rob lied to media.Why should it prevent me from calling Rob a liar, if Toronto Sun proves he lied?You are wrong again. It was not the Star, it was Doug (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/05/03/rob-ford-reporter-confrontation658.html) in his interactions with media. Are you ever tired of being wrong? Learn from a-tree, stick to one-line insults and hollow declarations "I'm right". Facts are not your forte, to put it mildly. He's bad with facts too, but he's smart enough to understand it.

you are losing control in your search for lies :facepalm:
where did sun say Rob lied to media? from your link I found only this about taking pics:

"No one should be subject to this," Ford said. "I don't care if they ridicule my policies, if they don't like the way I run the city, that's fine. You can do what you want but don't come on my property and don't start taking pictures of my backyard. I don't care who it is, the police, prime minister, the mayor, anyone, they don't deserve this."

Rob said he does not want them to come on his property and to take pics of his backyard. what's wrong with that? :facepalm:
nooooobody wants that

[flashy_mcflash]

Rob said he does not want them to come on his property and to take pics of his backyard. what's wrong with that?


ahahahaha so this was just a random non-sequitur, not related in any way to the incident he was in the middle of commenting on? ahahahahahaha

[a-tree]

let me type this really slowly for your benefit.

what
does
defending
LGBT
rights
have
to
do
with
political
correctness
?

go spread your pc crap elsewhere.

What does labeling a statement 'mean' have to do with political correctness?

What's a pc crap?

[NorthYorker]

where did sun say Rob lied to mediaThe Sun did not say he lied, the Sun proved he lied. From the Sun's article:
Ford took reporters behind his property and said the Star journalist was standing on cinder blocks outside his rear fence. He said the reporter was leaning over the fence taking pictures towards his house I made the key statement bold. Now police is saying there were no pictures taken, so the Sun proved (by publishing his original statements) that Rob was making false claims to media.

[vero95]

ahahahaha so this was just a random non-sequitur, not related in any way to the incident he was in the middle of commenting on? ahahahahahaha

no, it's not a statement on Dale unless you translate what Rob really said

"No one should be subject to this," Ford said. "I don't care if they ridicule my policies, if they don't like the way I run the city, that's fine. You can do what you want but don't come on my property and don't start taking pictures of my backyard. I don't care who it is, the police, prime minister, the mayor, anyone, they don't deserve this."

to this

"I should not be subject to this," Ford said. "I don't care if they ridicule my policies, if they don't like the way I run the city, that's fine. You came on my property and started taking pictures of my backyard. I don't deserve this."

[vero95]

The Sun did not say he lied, the Sun proved he lied. From the Sun's article: I made the key statement bold. Now police is saying there were no pictures taken, so the Sun proved (by publishing his original statements) that Rob was making false claims to media.

there are no pics because his cell died :facepalm:
he could have tried to take them but as far as I know you can't do that when the batteries die :facepalm:

besides that's what Rob was told by his neighbour

Ford told the Toronto Sun his neighbour came to his front door around 7:30 p.m. to tell him someone was on his fence taking pictures of his backyard
why would the neighbour lie?
why is that a false claim to the media if he clearly said it was his neighbour who told him that? :facepalm:

[NorthYorker]

there are no pics because his cell died :facepalm:
he could have tried to take them but as far as I know you can't do that when the batteries dieYou can't turn the BB camera on if battery is dead, so Dale would know he can't using the gizmo before raising it. Nice try, but no cigar.

besides that's what Rob was told by his neighbourI have absolutely no issues with him telling that neighbour informed him about pictures being taken. This is honest description of what happened. However, he got carried away and became dishonest by saying "the reporter was leaning over the fence taking pictures towards his house" as if he saw it. He might be not a calculating liar, but he's an impulsive one.
why is that a false claim to the media if he clearly said it was his neighbour who told him that? :facepalm: As I've said, he clearly said "his neighbour came to his front door around 7:30 p.m. to tell him someone was on his fence taking pictures of his backyard" (likely true), but then as clearly said that "the reporter was leaning over the fence taking pictures towards his house" without referring to neighbour, and this is a lie.

[flashy_mcflash]

no, it's not a statement on Dale unless you translate what Rob really said


to this

Normal people don't talk that way. You are being deliberately obtuse again because you will do and say literally anything to defend your boy.

[vero95]

You can't turn the BB camera on if battery is dead, so Dale would know he can't using the gizmo before raising it. Nice try, but no cigar.
I have absolutely no issues with him telling that neighbour informed him about pictures being taken. This is honest description of what happened. However, he got carried away and became dishonest by saying "the reporter was leaning over the fence taking pictures towards his house" as if he saw it. He might be not a calculating liar, but he's an impulsive one. As I've said, he clearly said "his neighbour came to his front door around 7:30 p.m. to tell him someone was on his fence taking pictures of his backyard" (likely true), but then as clearly said "the reporter was leaning over the fence taking pictures towards his house" without referring to neighbour, and this is a lie.

are you aware that you can take pics, send them and delete them?
anyway, Rob said the neighbour told him there is someone on the fence taking pics of his backyard. there is nothing in the article that would indicate he saw Dale taking pics directly. quite the opposite: Ford said he found Dale 10m from the fence

Ford took reporters behind his property and said the Star journalist was standing on cinder blocks outside his rear fence. He said the reporter was leaning over the fence taking pictures towards his house.

According to Ford, Dale was about 10 metres from his back fence by the time he came around to confront him.


so I have no clue how he could maintain two versions: one when he saw Dale taking pics leaning over the fence and another when he found Dale 10m from the fence
it's clear that what he was saying about Dale taking pics was what the neighbour told him

I suggest you stop with those attacks. you try to find issues and lies where there are none

[NorthYorker]

are you aware that you can take pics, send them and delete them?On a digicam with dead battery? Nope. Educate me...

there is nothing in the article that would indicate he saw Dale taking pics directly.What part of "Ford... said the Star journalist was standing on cinder blocks outside his rear fence. He said the reporter was leaning over the fence taking pictures towards his house" don't you understand? The article is as clear as the Sun can be in claiming that Ford was talking about his own experience, not referring to his senior neighbour's description.
so I have no clue how he could maintain two versionsMe neither, but I'm glad nonetheless that even you see that Ford's claims don't make sense, if you listen to them together.

[ippon]

What does labeling a statement 'mean' have to do with political correctness?

What's a pc crap?

typical non-sense reply from someone who tries to shove political correctness down other people's throats.

[hdave]

On a digicam with dead battery? Nope. Educate me...
What part of "Ford... said the Star journalist was standing on cinder blocks outside his rear fence. He said the reporter was leaning over the fence taking pictures towards his house" don't you understand? The article is as clear as the Sun can be in claiming that Ford was talking about his own experience, not referring to his senior neighbour's description. Me neither, but I'm glad nonetheless that even you see that Ford's claims don't make sense, if you listen to them together.



Like I said before..
Ford probably really thought that Dale was taking pictures and was probably wrong.
That doesn't make him a liar.

One of the first things cops are trained on related to interviews, is that they will get a dozen different stories of what eyewitnesses saw, and no one is lying.

If a dumb Ford-voter can understand that and look at things from both sides of the fence, I'm sure you can too.

[hdave]

And..
(not saying that he did but) Dale COULD have been looking over the fence, and the cops still not charge him.
There is nothing illegal in that.

None of us were there, none of us saw the video tapes, and it seems all of us know exactly what happened lol

[vero95]

Normal people don't talk that way. You are being deliberately obtuse again because you will do and say literally anything to defend your boy.

he is not my boy but he is definitely your nemesis

[flashy_mcflash]

Like I said before..
Ford probably really thought that Dale was taking pictures and was probably wrong.
That doesn't make him a liar.

One of the first things cops are trained on related to interviews, is that they will get a dozen different stories of what eyewitnesses saw, and no one is lying.

If a dumb Ford-voter can understand that and look at things from both sides of the fence, I'm sure you can too.

Sure, if you look at this incident in a vacuum. However, Ford has lied repeatedly about incidents like this right up until evidence proves him wrong (sounds like a certain poster...) so his credibility is immediately suspect.

[vero95]

On a digicam with dead battery? Nope. Educate me...
What part of "Ford... said the Star journalist was standing on cinder blocks outside his rear fence. He said the reporter was leaning over the fence taking pictures towards his house" don't you understand? The article is as clear as the Sun can be in claiming that Ford was talking about his own experience, not referring to his senior neighbour's description. Me neither, but I'm glad nonetheless that even you see that Ford's claims don't make sense, if you listen to them together.

that's the part which I hoped you will be able to grasp but I had too high hopes :facepalm:


Ford took reporters behind his property and said the Star journalist was standing on cinder blocks outside his rear fence. He said the reporter was leaning over the fence taking pictures towards his house.

here Ford is referring to what his neighbour told him



According to Ford, Dale was about 10 metres from his back fence by the time he came around to confront him.

here Ford is referring what he saw when he met the reporter

he did not see the reporter before he confronted him so he could not see him leaning over the fence and taking the pics directly

if you are an IT guy you should be smarter :facepalm:

now enough of that BS of yours ;)

[a-tree]

typical non-sense reply from someone who tries to shove political correctness down other people's throats.

lol. When you do it it's the 'right' thing, and when others do it, it's the pc police. This is the way of a true vermin.

[ippon]

lol. When you do it it's the 'right' thing, and when others do it, it's the pc police. This is the way of a true vermin.

yep, you are still confused. just go back to enjoying my avatar like you used to.

[a-tree]

yep, you are still confused. just go back to enjoying my avatar like you used to.

I know you're feeling are scarred now. But that's ok. We all make mistakes.

[ippon]

I know you're feeling are scarred now. But that's ok. We all make mistakes.

what?

[a-tree]

what?

How does it feel to be the person you despise?

[Powder + park raider]

curious, how/why was ford elected? people actually thought electing an obese person is a good idea? if he got himself obese, obviously he has issue with self control, lacks determination to exercise and etc. not something you want in a politician, or anyone in fact

[CDNPatriot]

atree, congratulations you've derailed another thread.

Meanwhile police state that reporter was not trespassing.

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1175674--toronto-police-will-not-charge-reporter-daniel-dale-over-mayor-rob-ford-incident?bn=1


How does it feel to be the person you despise?

[CSK'sMom]

Ok folks, this has run it's course and is just bickering back and forth now ...