SAVE OUR CANADIAN SHOWS! My video on CTV and Global TV exposed. (Sign the petition!)

[Maniaxe]

This is a summary of the video: CTV and Global TV are not airing Canadian versions of game shows and reality shows with international versions because of the existence of an American version. While every other first-world country has their own versions, in English-speaking Canada, we have nothing. Not only is this not fair for Canadians, but it is a disgusting insult to our culture. We Canadians should be entitled to opportunities like every other country. Please watch my video and sign the petition in the link below the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHechya2Fmg

I've been a member of redflagdeals.com for some time now, and I felt it would be great to share my cause to fellow Canadians.

[Manic1!]

Yaaaa!!!!!!!! for CTV and Global for killing reality shows. Reality shows suck and are killing sitcoms and drama's. Maybe we should make are own shows instead of copying American culture.

[Maniaxe]

Yaaaa!!!!!!!! for CTV and Global for killing reality shows. Reality shows suck and are killing sitcoms and drama's. Maybe we should make are own shows instead of copying American culture.

No, we are not copying American culture. Every other country has those shows and Canada should be like every other country. Do your research.

[MkmBandit]

Life in 2012 is already as much as I can handle so I don't really get the appeal with reality entertainment. Reality documentaries though need to be encouraged which is why I find the cuts at CBC especially disturbing. Canadian TV is also improving greatly with sitcoms and dramas so those should also be invested in. Talent shows are not IMHO what defines Canadians so let those shows get cut, it's for the better. Game shows, meh, it's funnier watching American's lose on the first question. Btw I watched that vid, it's not worth a 'revolution'.

Here's an interesting article I was reading the other day.. -> http://arts.nationalpost.com/2012/05/05/the-case-for-making-the-documentary-canadas-official-art-form/

[the stig]

first off this has NOTHING to do with canadian culture.... these shows were not created nor started in canada so it has nothing to do about saving our culture. secondly, the reason these shows are not carried over to a canadian version is costs... why would they waste money on crap like this when it's cheaper to just buy into the american version and put the rest of the money into other shows/ventures. and lastly, as you already pointed out they tried canadian versions and they didn't last... why ?? try ratings. it was probably seen as a cheap version/knock-off and simply couldn't gain interest enough to warrant spending money to keep them going.

i think what this really is, is you whining that you can't try out for any of these shows due to your citizenship and making a huff about it thinking others will give a damn.... sorry, i don't see that happening but nice try.

you can't force a network to create a show just because you feel like singing or dancing and want the world to take notice, use this wasted effort on something worthwhile rather than whine and create false statements.

[Manic1!]

No, we are not copying American culture. Every other country has those shows and Canada should be like every other country. Do your research.

Other countries do it because they are easy to make and the don't have to come up with there own idea. This makes it cheaper to make. We also have a smaller population then many of these other countries you talk about. Instead of copying idea's why don't we come up with our own idea's?

Also Top Chef Canada (awesome show) is on it's second season and it's not going anywhere I just wish the would get rid of housewives of Vancouver.

[matdwyer]

I'll say it - 90% of Canadian shows suck. There are like 2.5 Canadian shows that I would watch (Dragons Den, Being Erica (lol), and half a point to Arctic Air). When we're talking about reality shows, I can't think of a single one I would want to watch. Idol, top model, etc, they would all be terrible. Even under cover boss here was so so.

Really don't think it is a bad thing that we don't have our own reality shows - we're close enough with Americans that we can relate and build on their massively larger audience.

[Maniaxe]

I'll say it - 90% of Canadian shows suck.

That is anything but true. You have no idea how many good Canadian shows there are.



Really don't think it is a bad thing that we don't have our own reality shows - we're close enough with Americans that we can relate and build on their massively larger audience.

What's there to relate to? There's nothing Canadian about those shows. Canadians can't even apply for those shows.

[Maniaxe]

Other countries do it because they are easy to make and the don't have to come up with there own idea. This makes it cheaper to make. We also have a smaller population then many of these other countries you talk about. Instead of copying idea's why don't we come up with our own idea's?


You will be surprised with how many countries with smaller populations that have those shows, like Australia, Croatia, and Sweden just to name a few. And like I said in previous post, we are not copying ideas. We are using an INTERNATIONAL franchise like other countries. Canada should not be left out.

[blakjak]

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i think what this really is, is you whining that you can't try out for any of these shows due to your citizenship and making a huff about it thinking others will give a damn.... sorry, i don't see that happening but nice try.

you can't force a network to create a show just because you feel like singing or dancing and want the world to take notice, use this wasted effort on something worthwhile rather than whine and create false statements.


This is exactly what I figured was the OP's agenda. Pretty shameful and pathetic ruse to try to get people to care, though, using "Canadian Culture" as his reason!

...and, no, I did not waste any more of my time watching your silly little video, OP.


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[joe_greps]

Absolutely not signing this, it's this kind of thinking that has created the CRTC and the protected monopolies that Rogers and Bell enjoy. It does not work and in fact as more Canadians "cut the cable" we end up with more people having absolutely no Canadian content - accomplishing the exact opposite of what these naive kinds of agendas intend.

[Manic1!]

What's there to relate to? There's nothing Canadian about those shows. Canadians can't even apply for those shows.


You can always try out for the Ultimate Fighter. :lol:

[Maniaxe]

first off this has NOTHING to do with canadian culture.... these shows were not created nor started in canada so it has nothing to do about saving our culture. secondly, the reason these shows are not carried over to a canadian version is costs... why would they waste money on crap like this when it's cheaper to just buy into the american version and put the rest of the money into other shows/ventures. and lastly, as you already pointed out they tried canadian versions and they didn't last... why ?? try ratings. it was probably seen as a cheap version/knock-off and simply couldn't gain interest enough to warrant spending money to keep them going.

First, the reason why the networks should spend money on these shows is the same reason why every other country spends money on these shows. Therefore, there is no reason for Canadian television networks to be greedy. Second, the ratings of the shows were good. The shows are not cheap knock-offs. They are simply their own versions of an INTERNATIONAL franchise. They are not based off of American shows, but international ones. And third, even if the ratings were bad, there is nothing wrong with the networks bringing the shows back. In 2005, X Factor Australia was cancelled after its first season due to bad ratings. HOWEVER, the show was revived in 2010 and had even better ratings than the first season.

[Tornado F2]

No, we are not copying American culture. Every other country has those shows and Canada should be like every other country. Do your research.

"EVERY other country"? I seriously doubt it.

While I've long proposed here that Canadians should be allowed to compete on shows like Survivor and TAR, since proportionally we are greater viewers of those shows than US audiences, I don't think we necessarily need to create our own clones. We should be more than capable of coming up with our own, potentially far better, shows, especially given the size of our country and our truly spectacular geography. I'm sure such shows could easily be marketed to TV channels worldwide too, increasing our cultural influence on the world.

As for those junk "reality" shows - no thanks. Why would we want to embarrass ourselves the way Americans do? Let them have their gutter trash, we should be aiming much higher.

[the stig]

OP you need to stop the BS and the false statements. no american show starts off thinking globally, sure they might steal another countries idea they see and work from that but it does NOT make it anything international. i don't know where you come up with a show being international and EVERY country has it's right to be made if they so want one...

canada is a separate entity from the US and as such we as canadians have different views and likes on things... sure we may like and share some things that come from the US market BUT we also have our own ideas and what we would like to see on our channels. and from the sounds of it, none of that reality crap appeals to the majority of us so it was cancelled or like mentioned before we just buy into the syndication to save what would be thousands/millions on creating one.

if you want so badly to sing and dance and embarrass yourself on national TV then go hang out around the windows at 299 queen street west or simply move to the US and change your citizenship. <-- problem solved for you, you're welcome !

our culture in canada is hockey, fishing and tim hortons.... if you find one of those being threatened then take up arms and do your part.

[MacGyver]

Canadian or not, TV sucks, period. That's why all the broadcasters are losing money. Mostly rebroadcasted American TV reruns with some local news. Wow-wee.

No need to wonder why Rogers and Bell are buying Toronto sports teams, and then burying the sports channels (that they also own) into the most expensive programming schemes. The need for desirable content is critical. That is, if you can call Leafs/Raptors/Jays anaemia desirable! :lol:

[LostInTruth]

Canadian or not, TV sucks, period. That's why all the broadcasters are losing money.

I disagree. Mindlessly watching it 24/7 sucks but there are a lot of good programs out there on cable (I.E. Breaking Bad & Games of Thrones) currently.

[Spor 13]

I will never care for Canadian version of a popular American reality show. The networks here never sink enough dollars into production to make it look as good as its counterpart, and this ends up making the show look cheesy. Also, the Canadian versions seem to always pick the worst non-household name hosts (again, not sinking enough dollars to attract talent). I'm not saying the networks should sink more dollars into these reality shows either and I understand why they don't, because to make up for the investment commercials need to be sold and we just don't have big dollar ad campaigns like in the US (compare CTV's Superbowl ads to the US Superbowl ads).

[Junigenmukyoku]

@OP : Can you list some good Canadian shows?

[Tornado F2]

@OP : Can you list some good Canadian shows?

I recently discovered Republic of Doyle and can recommend that.

Also... nope, that's about it. :(

SCTV and Due South were good - back in their day. Worth looking for on DVD/rerun.

[MacGyver]

The OP is talking about CTV and Global. Republic of Doyle is a CBC program, and CBC makes more of their own programming than CTV and Global put together.

CBC original programming: 30 shows.
CTV original programming: Flashpoint, CTV National News, Canada AM, Marilyn Dennis Show.
Global original programming: Global National, 16X9, Rookie Blue, ET Canada.

Did I miss any?

[mdc]

So your idea to ge more Canadian is to copy everyone else?

*yawn*

The last thing Canada needs is even lamer versions of Big Brother, idiot housewives and moronic dancing shows

Reality tv is the dumbing down of culture at all levels. Encouraging more of it is decidedly anti canadian culture

[zod]

I never quite understood Canadian TV.

CBC seems to make the most original Canadian programming (whether I like the shows or not is a different question). Most of CTV/Global's content seems regurgitated from US tv (so its pretty redundant in a Country where he readily get access to US networks.). I think CTV/Global get some money from the government for their local content.

I guess my proposal is this. We have 3 Canadian networks. We're lucky if there's enough Canadian programming to fill one network.

Instead of the government cutting back on CBC, why not divert all the funds to CBC and cutoff CTV/Global from the government purse? At least we'd have one channel completely dedicated to Canadian stuff. Rather then 1 channel mostly dedicated to Canadian stuff, and two that air mostly American stuff, that we could of watched on an American channel anyways, but make some Canadian shows which are subsidized by the government.

IE I really don't think CTV or Global really offer much of a service.

[matdwyer]

That is anything but true. You have no idea how many good Canadian shows there are.
What's there to relate to? There's nothing Canadian about those shows. Canadians can't even apply for those shows.

Anything but true? It's an opinion, it's true if I believe it. I'd argue I watch as much content as anyone, across basically all genres, and I can count on one hand the Canadian stuff I'd sit through. It's garbage. For that matter, 99% of the reality TV shows are garbage too, why you'd want an even worse version with a lower budget then the existing crap in the states is mind boggling.

Please list the reality TV shows that you'd want in Canada.

I'd argue that there is only one truly successful Canadian reality show (Dragons Den) financially and critically, and even that idea was ripped off from Japan. If you look at Shark Tank (USA's version) it's actually more entertaining (but less business-y) because it tells a story, has hire budgets, and has better segments.

I've never watched the bachelor crap so I can't comment there, but take this for what it is - our "canadian bachelor" is a bartender at Earls downtown - not a millionaire playboy.

Good TV is entertaining TV and if it looks like crap, it is crap.


You will be surprised with how many countries with smaller populations that have those shows, like Australia, Croatia, and Sweden just to name a few. And like I said in previous post, we are not copying ideas. We are using an INTERNATIONAL franchise like other countries. Canada should not be left out.

again, why? those countries (sans australia) have different shows because they have different langages - of course a show they do will be better then a dubbed over version. They also will have significantly lower viewership them a show in the states, and therefore lower budgets. Australia is a completely different culture then here, where as the US and Canadian cultures are so close that it really has no difference.


The OP is talking about CTV and Global. Republic of Doyle is a CBC program, and CBC makes more of their own programming than CTV and Global put together.

CBC original programming: 30 shows.
CTV original programming: Flashpoint, CTV National News, Canada AM, Marilyn Dennis Show.
Global original programming: Global National, 16X9, Rookie Blue, ET Canada.

Did I miss any?

Do those really count though? From my understanding Flashpoint is run / funded by CBS - if CBS didn't run it, I doubt that CTV would be footing the bill. Tons and tons of shows shoot up here (weeds is another one) but that doesn't make them "canadian".

[Tornado F2]

I never quite understood Canadian TV.

CBC seems to make the most original Canadian programming (whether I like the shows or not is a different question). Most of CTV/Global's content seems regurgitated from US tv (so its pretty redundant in a Country where he readily get access to US networks.). I think CTV/Global get some money from the government for their local content.

I guess my proposal is this. We have 3 Canadian networks. We're lucky if there's enough Canadian programming to fill one network.

Instead of the government cutting back on CBC, why not divert all the funds to CBC and cutoff CTV/Global from the government purse? At least we'd have one channel completely dedicated to Canadian stuff. Rather then 1 channel mostly dedicated to Canadian stuff, and two that air mostly American stuff, that we could of watched on an American channel anyways, but make some Canadian shows which are subsidized by the government.

IE I really don't think CTV or Global really offer much of a service.

You probably have a decent point there.

Since CTV and Global air mostly US shows, and since I've now set up my V to catch OTA signals, I mostly watch Buffalo channels these days. The times I watch Canadian are usually for news, and occasionally for sports. In fact if it wasn't for the sports coverage I'd probably cancel cable completely. I get better signal quality OTA than I ever did through cable. I'll probably end up watching the Olympics on US networks, unless I really, really need Canadian coverage. If ABC were airing the Euro 2012 football OTA I'd tune in to that also, but sadly the cable companies seem to rule there too.

[Tornado F2]

I'd argue that there is only one truly successful Canadian reality show (Dragons Den) financially and critically, and even that idea was ripped off from Japan. If you look at Shark Tank (USA's version) it's actually more entertaining (but less business-y) because it tells a story, has hire budgets, and has better segments.


The best Canadian-content reality shows that I've seen were the two seasons of "Rockstar" - despite it being a US show. Lots of talented Canadian rockers among the contestants, including both winners. Sadly the resulting record contract didn't really add up to anything for the winners, but that was a really cool, interesting, entertaining show, despite having poser hosts/judges. Ironically enough, the Canadian performers on show probably would be considered ineligible for the lame "talent" shows that CDN networks produce. "What? He's 30? He's too old for the teenybop cellphone-addicted crowd we're hoping to cash in on. Remember folks, just $2/vote. Keep texting...". I'm really getting to hate our "popular" TV. Especially anything featuring that smarmy Mulroney brat. Didn't his father already do enough damage to our country, skimming millions of taxpayers' $s along the way?

[the stig]

i wish someone would "accidentally" run over that ben baloney idiot.... he gives canada a bad name and is such an arse-hole.

nothing canada can produce would be good reality programming.... it's just not there yet, heck we are just now getting up to good drama/comedy tv programs.

and of course just as they get a large following on a great canadian show they cancel it... shows like :

due south (yes i know it's half funded by the US) ended with finale not cancelled
flashpoint (yes another half funded show) <-- being cancelled after season 5
being erica <-- it was so good the US is going to attempt their version (ended with a finale not cancelled)
degrassi <-- it's actually not bad compared to crap that comes out of the states (still going strong)

they should bring one or more back and cut the fat of the shows or buying shows that truly suck....

[Angela V]

Flashpoint is Canadian. It is getting a finale 5th season but has run on CTV outside of the USA schedule. The Listener was dropped by the USA channel but was able to keep going on CTV. It starts up soon for another season.

[the stig]

flashpoint is 50/50.... it's half funded by CBS in the states, and without that funding and production it wouldn't have made it this far. the production value is obviously done by the states as there are not any canadian shows that by themselves do that good of work.

which is probably why the show is done after this next season. it would seriously drop in quality if CTV had to foot the bill all itself, plus it would just become a cheesy looking show with the production value gone...

i just hope they don't start killing them off as a closer, either disband the team like they were trying to do or just leave it open ended to them still doing their job.

[Maniaxe]

I really need to catch up on responses.


I will never care for Canadian version of a popular American reality show. The networks here never sink enough dollars into production to make it look as good as its counterpart, and this ends up making the show look cheesy. Also, the Canadian versions seem to always pick the worst non-household name hosts (again, not sinking enough dollars to attract talent). I'm not saying the networks should sink more dollars into these reality shows either and I understand why they don't, because to make up for the investment commercials need to be sold and we just don't have big dollar ad campaigns like in the US (compare CTV's Superbowl ads to the US Superbowl ads).

Just because Canada may not be able to invest as much money into their shows as the American versions, that does not make the shows inferior or not as good as the American versions. In fact, in my opinion, the shows are as good as, if not better, than the American versions. Also, you don't hear about viewers from other countries saying that they won't watch their own versions of international shows because of an American version. As well, your statement on "non-household name hosts" is not true.


@OP : Can you list some good Canadian shows?

Reality and Game Shows:

Canadian Idol
Canada's Got Talent
So You Think You Can Dance Canada
Zoink'd
Deal or No Deal Canada
Le Banquier
Are You Smarter than a Canadian 5th Grader
Le Classe de 5e
Zoink'd
Wipeout Canada
Who Wants to be a Millionaire: Canadian Edition
Cover Me Canada
Dragon's Den

Other shows:

Red Green
Bizarre
Insecurity
Little Mosque on the Prairie
Corner Gas
Student Bodies
Republic of Doyle
This Hour has 22 Minutes
The Rick Mercer Report
Just for Laughs
Air Farce
Kings of Kensington
Falcon Beach

Those are some I can name from the top of my head, but there are a lot more.


So your idea to ge more Canadian is to copy everyone else?

*yawn*

The last thing Canada needs is even lamer versions of Big Brother, idiot housewives and moronic dancing shows

Like I said in previous posts (which you should have read before posting), these are not copies. These are Canada's own versions of shows with INTERNATIONAL franchises. Meaning we would not be the only country with those shows. Canada is supposed to be land of opportunity and we should have these opportunities like other countries.


that ben baloney idiot.... he gives canada a bad name and is such an arse-hole.

nothing canada can produce would be good reality programming.... it's just not there yet,

Everything you said in that quote is false.

[matdwyer]

Reality and Game Shows:

Canadian Idol
Canada's Got Talent
So You Think You Can Dance Canada
Zoink'd
Deal or No Deal Canada
Le Banquier
Are You Smarter than a Canadian 5th Grader
Le Classe de 5e
Zoink'd
Wipeout Canada
Who Wants to be a Millionaire: Canadian Edition
Cover Me Canada
Dragon's Den

Other shows:

Red Green
Bizarre
Insecurity
Little Mosque on the Prairie
Corner Gas
Student Bodies
Republic of Doyle
This Hour has 22 Minutes
The Rick Mercer Report
Just for Laughs
Air Farce
Kings of Kensington
Falcon Beach

Those are some I can name from the top of my head, but there are a lot more.


You just named like 60% of CBC's lineup - guess what? CBC is a GOVERNMENT FUNDED network thats sole purpose is to encourage Canadian content, so yes, they make Canadian content.

CTV & Global are both BUSINESSES made for PROFIT. They produce, or buy content based on what will bring in the most ad revenue. That's called "business" and it's based on "money" not a dire need for patriotism. We have CBC for that and they do a semi-decent job of that - but to force a business to compete with a government funded entity even more then the CRTC already does tie their hands would be nuts.

And, like you've obviously found out, the majority of people prefer american shows & reality shows. You can say that is false, yet the ratings, advertising dollars, and networks all disagree - thats why Canadian idol was promptly cancelled.

And Who Wants to be a Millionaire: Canadian Edition? Seriously? It aired two episodes. You're reaching hard here

[Maniaxe]

Matdwyer, if you prefer American shows over Canadian shows, then you can go move to the United States. And that goes for everyone.

As well, there were a lot of shows that I mentioned that were not CBC shows. I also forgot to mention some Canadian classics: Reboot, Beast Wars, Shadow Raiders, Talk About, Bumper Stumpers, and Supermarket Sweep (Canadian version).

[matdwyer]

Matdwyer, if you prefer American shows over Canadian shows, then you can go move to the United States. And that goes for everyone.


Huh?

Do you drive American Cars? Do you eat American food? Do you listen to American music?

You're making mountains out of molehills here - Our country is not defined by the quality of our TV shows. We have hockey, and that's good enough for 90% of us ;)

[SAN66]

"We should be more than capable of coming up with our own, potentially far better, shows, especially given the size of our country and our truly spectacular geography. I'm sure such shows could easily be marketed to TV channels worldwide too, increasing our cultural influence on the world.

We already do this with a few shows. Mantracker FTW! Just for laughs gags is played in like 70 countries.

As much as I'm not a fan, I applaud CBC for Battle of the Blades, at least it's truly Canadian.

I feel no loss if we don't copy crappy American reality shows and am disgusted at the proposition of such things as North Shore and Real Housewives of Vancouver.

I do wish Canadian talent could represent more on some of the American shows, but we don't need our own show for most of these. Rockstars Canadian talent was great and the only good season of Last Comic Standing was when they went international.

[matdwyer]

I admit I forgot one - Departures is one of the best shows in the world, and is (was) Canadian

[Super strokey]

Huh?

Do you drive American Cars? Do you eat American food? Do you listen to American music?

You're making mountains out of molehills here - Our country is not defined by the quality of our TV shows. We have hockey, and that's good enough for 90% of us ;)

I agree, if a person thinks a TV program is going to save or define our culture then they need a wake up call.

Plus if these shows were so important and valueable to canadian culture they would get good ratings... but they dont...

I just wonder if the OP works in Canadian TV production.

[Tornado F2]

i wish someone would "accidentally" run over that ben baloney idiot.... he gives canada a bad name and is such an arse-hole.



Everything you said in that quote is false.

Maniaxe has a crush on Baloney. :lol:

Should try out for one of the pathetic shows he hosts then.

[Tornado F2]

And Who Wants to be a Millionaire: Canadian Edition? Seriously? It aired two episodes. You're reaching hard here

Not to mention the before-everybody's-time King(s) of Kensington, a bunch of QC francais-only shows, and a show listed twice. :lol:

[Tornado F2]

We already do this with a few shows. Mantracker FTW! Just for laughs gags is played in like 70 countries.

I do wish Canadian talent could represent more on some of the American shows, but we don't need our own show for most of these. Rockstars Canadian talent was great and the only good season of Last Comic Standing was when they went international.

jflg follows the Mr Bean approach - minimal dialogue - so it's easy to export worldwide. It's hardly representative of Canadian culture though.

As for talent shows, ditch the "Idol" format and go with a variety show approach - solo, band, young, old, classical, metal, punk, opera, electronic, country, ethnic, comedy, dance, stupid-pet-tricks, whatever. So many talented Canadians make it big when they're exposed to international (esp US) audiences, so why not give them some real exposure right here at home? Not established acts necessarily, as there are plenty of talented entertainers just starting out, or still waiting for their big break. Established performers could be used to anchor the show though, drawing in viewers to watch the potential up-and-comers. Viewer votes could be used to select which performers get repeat appearances in upcoming shows. I think I'd find time to tune in for such a show, even though I almost completely avoid the existing phoney "talent" shows. I'm sure viewers of those existing shows would appreciate the change too.

[wilson_wu]

+1 if you think Top Chef Canada is awesome.

It's the only thing I watch on TV right now.

[Maniaxe]

The petition still remains so if you have not yet signed it, please do so. Thank you.

[Maniaxe]

Hello again. I just want to mention that I have a new link for the petition, because the old link was on petitionspot.com and that web site is currently down. Here is a link to the new petition on change.org:

http://www.change.org/en-CA/petitions/canadian-television-networks-save-our-canadian-shows

OR

http://tinyurl.com/saveourcanadianshows

[Angela V]

I'm currently watching the new Saving Hope, new season of The Listener, waiting for Lost Girl and the final season of Flashpoint. Sad to find out that CBC had to drop Battle of the Blades because of cost.

Personally, I don't mind having a smaller pool of Canadian show because there's less nonsense to wade through. There's already enough reality based shows out there.

This past year my family tuned into Canada's Greatest Know it all, Top Chef Canada, Handyman (can't remember the full title) and a few others that are Canadian.

[mark_in_2k]

Hello again. I just want to mention that I have a new link for the petition, because the old link was on petitionspot.com and that web site is currently down. Here is a link to the new petition on change.org:

http://www.change.org/en-CA/petitions/canadian-television-networks-save-our-canadian-shows

OR

http://tinyurl.com/saveourcanadianshowsI like the irony of calling your petition "Save Our Canadian Shows" when all the shows listed on the petition or international franchises (as you've stated in this thread). I suggest a title change.