Montreal metro smoke-bomb suspects charged with "hoax regarding a terrorist activity"

[riskit]

Montreal metro smoke-bomb suspects are charged with committing a hoax regarding a terrorist activity & Police report that these 4 are the ones responsible for only the metro Fabre smoke-bomb and Police are appealing to the public for additional information regarding smoke bombs at the Préfontaine and Jean Talon stations.. With these charges it looks like the Canadian/Quebec Political-Justice system is finial dealing a heavy hand to civil disobedience.

http://fr.canoe.ca/archives/infos/societe/media/2012/05/20120510-130031-g.jpg


Geneviève Vaillancourt, Roxanne Belisle, François Vivier-Gagnon and Vanessa L'Écuyer face charges of conspiracy, mischief and committing a hoax regarding a terrorist activity, an offence punishable by up five years in prison.

Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Montreal+metro+smoke+bomb+suspects+charged/6611976/story.html#ixzz1uiRPUBjg

[the_fm]

they are responsible for the lionel-groulx one, not the fabre one. fabre is most likely the smoke that came from jean-talon (fabre and jean-talon stations are next to each other)

i've read comments since the charges were laid and i can't believe some people saying it was just a simple mischief because it was only a smoke bomb :facepalm:

[transitguy1]

If they would have been muslims, they would be charged under "terrorism" not some "regarding a terr. activity" laws.

Because they were not Muslim. They get a lesser charge.

*flame suit ON* :razz:

[BornRuff]

Montreal metro smoke-bomb suspects are charged with committing a hoax regarding a terrorist activity & Police report that these 4 are the ones responsible for only the metro Fabre smoke-bomb and Police are appealing to the public for additional information regarding smoke bombs at the Préfontaine and Jean Talon stations.. With these charges it looks like the Canadian/Quebec Political-Justice system is finial dealing a heavy hand to civil disobedience.

http://fr.canoe.ca/archives/infos/societe/media/2012/05/20120510-130031-g.jpg

This really isn't civil disobedience. Were they protesting the ban on throwing smoke bombs in subway systems?

This is just mischief and vandalism, and should clearly be punished.

[iEyeCaptain]

The smoke bombs cost Montreal $10 million in economic damage.

These kids deserve any punishment coming at them.

A line was crossed.

[deals]

Montreal metro smoke-bomb suspects are charged with committing a hoax regarding a terrorist activity & Police report that these 4 are the ones responsible for only the metro Fabre smoke-bomb and Police are appealing to the public for additional information regarding smoke bombs at the Préfontaine and Jean Talon stations.. With these charges it looks like the Canadian/Quebec Political-Justice system is finial dealing a heavy hand to civil disobedience.

http://fr.canoe.ca/archives/infos/societe/media/2012/05/20120510-130031-g.jpg


Are these pictures from a cell phone or CCTV? Anyone know if these pictures were taken before or after the smoke bombs were set off?

[sandikosh]

Give those guys to the US government do they can torture them!

[uber_shnitz]

Are these pictures from a cell phone or CCTV? Anyone know if these pictures were taken before or after the smoke bombs were set off?

Those are cellphones/portable device pictures. The old subway trains don't have CCTVs in them. The new ones we're getting in 2014 will have cameras integrated.

[the_fm]

Are these pictures from a cell phone or CCTV? Anyone know if these pictures were taken before or after the smoke bombs were set off?

taken after from what i got

[Psubs]

They just wanted epic sized Montreal Smoked Meat!!!

[McClane]

They had it coming. It was a real mess last week. The police couldn't assume anything and had to proceed under the assumption of a terrorist attack.

Let's see how this goes when the F1 comes to town.

[BongoBong]

This really isn't civil disobedience. Were they protesting the ban on throwing smoke bombs in subway systems?

This is just mischief and vandalism, and should clearly be punished.

I didn't think you had to be breaking the law you are protesting to be doing civil disobedience?

Either way, hope they get a pretty harsh punishment.

[the_fm]

it's not just mischief and vandalism. yes, it end up being only smoke bomb which the judge will take into account. it was a planned attack during rush hour. the whole system was shut down in like 30 minutes.

you throw the book at them and it will be up to the judge to decide what stick and what doesn't

[zz000ter]

All this "terrorism" talk is crap.
This was not terrorism related.
These guys were utterly stupid and inconsiderate.
But this was not terrorism related.

[manixc]

I think that is straight up terrorism. smoke bomb in subway is crossing the line.

[zz000ter]

Terrorism is defined how?

Are these guys combatants in a war?
Is there a political agenda?


noun
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.


From FBI (http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005)

There is no single, universally accepted, definition of terrorism. Terrorism is defined in the Code of Federal Regulations as “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives” (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85).

The FBI further describes terrorism as either domestic or international, depending on the origin, base, and objectives of the terrorist organization. For the purpose of this report, the FBI will use the following definitions:


Domestic terrorism is the unlawful use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual based and operating entirely within the United States or Puerto Rico without foreign direction committed against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives.
International terrorism involves violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or any state, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or any state. These acts appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion, or affect the conduct of a government by assassination or kidnapping. International terrorist acts occur outside the United States or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to coerce or intimidate, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum.


The FBI Divides Terrorist-Related Activities into Two Categories:


A terrorist incident is a violent act or an act dangerous to human life, in violation of the criminal laws of the United States, or of any state, to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.
A terrorism prevention is a documented instance in which a violent act by a known or suspected terrorist group or individual with the means and a proven propensity for violence is successfully interdicted through investigative activity.

[the_fm]

Terrorism is defined how?

you got the fbi definition of it. such does not apply here

from the anti-terrorism act, canadian definition
http://www.justice.gc.ca/antiter/sheetfiche/terrordefp1-terreurdefp1-eng.asp

[Dina_E]

how did they get smoke bombs?

internet made or army surplus stores?

[zz000ter]

from the anti-terrorism act, canadian definition
http://www.justice.gc.ca/antiter/sheetfiche/terrordefp1-terreurdefp1-eng.asp

The Canadian definition is quite convoluted.
Under which part of the definition of terrorism does this smoke bomb incident qualify as terrorism?

The Second Part of the Definition of "Terrorist Activity"

Paragraph 83.01(1)(b) of the Code provides that a "terrorist activity" consists of:

(b) an act or omission, in or outside Canada,

(i) that is committed

(A) in whole or in part for a political, religious or ideological purpose, objective or cause, and

(B) in whole or in part with the intention of intimidating the public, or a segment of the public, with regard to its security, including its economic security, or compelling a person, a government or a domestic or an international organization to do or to refrain from doing any act, whether the public or the person, government or organization is inside or outside Canada, and

[uber_shnitz]

Idk what exactly it would fallunder if not terrorism (and terrorism is ill defined I concur that). It's not civil disobedience since there was clear intent for causing major trouble. it's not "terrorism hoax" either since that's a false alert of terrorism. What could it really be? I guess we can jsut call it a damn crime and get it over with :lol:

[the_fm]

better picture and in the word of paris. that's hot! :|

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/topstories/2012/05/14/li-suspects-620.jpg

[Coz4k]

They will serve as an example.

[BornRuff]

I didn't think you had to be breaking the law you are protesting to be doing civil disobedience?

Either way, hope they get a pretty harsh punishment.

Generally civil disobedience would generally be breaking a law that you feel is unjust (Gandhi producing salt from the ocean without paying the tax to the British for example).

More abstract things that could be called civil disobedience might be having a protest in support of a certain cause and staging a sit in when the cops try to disperse the crowd, though that is you essentially disputing their right to break up the protest.

Throwing smoke bombs is far away from what anyone would consider civil disobedience.

[MrKap]

better picture and in the word of paris. that's hot! :|

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/topstories/2012/05/14/li-suspects-620.jpg

And they say there is no crystal meth-amphetamine epidemic



how did they get smoke bombs?

internet made or army surplus stores?

The same way you get crystal meth-amphetamine... you just make it.

[ever1221]

so was this influenced by religion?

[MrKap]

so was this influenced by religion?

Only if you are in the camp which believes atheism is an actual religion.


Which let's face it. It is a belief system, and these guys knew absolutely, that what they were doing would strike the fear of god into everybodies souls.

[ever1221]

Only if you are in the camp which believes atheism is an actual religion.

so, if their names were like mohamed or something, then by default it would be related to relgion, but because those guys' names doesn't start with such, then its not related to religion...interesting ideology.

[MrKap]

so, if their names were like mohamed or something, then by default it would be related to relgion, but because those guys' names doesn't start with such, then its not related to religion...interesting ideology.

Mohammed and the other guys use real explosives


Don't you like how I can pin meth amphetamine on pasty white kids?

[ever1221]

Mohammed and the other guys use real explosives


Don't you like how I can pin meth amphetamine on pasty white kids?

interesting, so to conclude this, ones with names other than osama=never use real explosives=not religion influenced= intention is not to kill people..

[MrKap]

interesting, so to conclude this, ones with names other than osama=never use real explosives=not religion influenced= intention is not to kill people..

You are crazy.

This thread is about a smoke bomb.

Do your own demographics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting

[a-tree]

better picture and in the word of paris. that's hot! :|

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/topstories/2012/05/14/li-suspects-620.jpg

Nevermind the smoke bombs. They should be incarcerated for looking that in the first place.

[shingor6]

A bit more information about that event :

The smoke-bomb used was one that the police used in a previous protest that did not detonate.

I do not think it should be considered a terrorist act because the intention was to stop the metro so that everyone can be late for work. They knew that and everyone who took the metro also knew that, so it dosen't create terror it only create frustration.

Personnaly I would sue them so that they pay the $ damage they cause.

[Bandco]

A bit more information about that event :

The smoke-bomb used was one that the police used in a previous protest that did not detonate.

I do not think it should be considered a terrorist act because the intention was to stop the metro so that everyone can be late for work. They knew that and everyone who took the metro also knew that, so it dosen't create terror it only create frustration.

Personnaly I would sue them so that they pay the $ damage they cause.

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/topstories/2012/05/14/li-suspects-620.jpg

Usually these type of photos have these words :

--------------'DEAD OR ALIVE'



Who are you to say they were only there to stop the Metro and and and

"They Knew" Are you a friend or one of these or . . .

Grow-up ! When you'll be older you just might understand a few things in
life :

1 - You certainly didn't take the Metro and had to wait and, a long wait till
a bus arrives the 1st, 2nd and others were already full (wait for hours) ;

2 – You're not thinking of other people such as 'Older Rersons,' they were
afraid and also the general public ;

3 – and yes what about the 'Cost of being late' you don't give a S***t but
my friend if a Stupid Intellectual that doesn't care about these kind of
terrorist actions, and that goes also for 'YOU,' don't ever cross my pat
with such intentions, I would make sure that similar actions to these
'Boneheads' would be their last ;

4 – Pay the damage . . . they're in the street contesting the increase for a
few hundreds . . . where in the word would they come up with millions for
the damages ;

5 – Bridges, Streets, Noise and you name-it . . .

People have enough, there's a limit to all, we're the TAX PAYERS . . .

We've seen a Police Car and 2 other cars that hit students in the street . . .
When a few hundred protesters will be struck by a vehicle perhaps these
Boneheads will understand ! :)

and most protesters are the real 'QUÉBÉCOS' 'TABARNACOS' the same
people that support and read 'Le Journal de Montreal' and swear by TVA
and Quebecor.

People that never been outside La Belle Province and think it's a good
thing to separate :lol: :lol: :lol: – they also don't know why Americans
don't speak French ! ! !

and I've haven't talked about the Antiestablishment Silent Immigrants . . .

Oh well