Hoarders are worse than...

[lorax1284]

... Feral Ghouls in Fallout 3

I'm starting this thread for everyone who just despises hoarders / hoarding of hot deals to post what they think of people who buy more than they need of a hot deal, shutting out other RFDers from getting a good deal, so the hoarder can resell the items at a profit.

I figure "Shopping Discussion" is a good a place as any for this thread, and when people start talking about how hoarding is "legitimate", just reply with a link to this topic and they will begin to understand (not that they ever will fully understand why hoarding is amoral at best, unethical by many people's standards, and downright rotten behaviour in the context of RFD.

Mods... feel free to delete if you think this doesn't enrich the RFD experience :-P

[brunes]

Bashing so-called hoarders is nonsense. First come first serve.

[Maymybonneliveforever]

I tend to agree and was in this situation just last week, mind you I wasn't reselling I was getting them for friends and I did leave lots..... only to have the next person buy 35 of the remaining items that was 95% off. The reason I only bought 5 is I wanted to leave lots for others but the next person eliminated that possibility, you see there are people that couldn't care less since there top priority is themselves, I see it all the time. I've been in situations where they post a sign stating a limit, then customers take down the sign and destroy it, later to have me say, "you do know that the limit is posted in the flyer", only to have them argue at the cash register that there was no sign yelling they want to talk to the manager.

The problem with this thread is, it's a rant thread, I truly believe that there in absolutely NOTHING, you can say that will change who they are. They simply don't care and will bash right back, based on their personality, so I won't add any more to this thread since past history dictates, it's who they are, they don't believe there is anything wrong with it so they refuse to think of others. The only way they think of others is by selling it to them.

[hagbard]

Buy Buy Buy.

[GSRee]

If someone is truly a hoarder, I have no problem with that. So if the guy in Maymybonneliveforever's example bought 35 because he had a fallout bunker in his basement that he wanted to stock, then all the power to him. But if he was buying 35 to use one and resell 34 at a profit, that's not hoarding, and that does piss me off.

[the stig]

i just laugh at the ones that do grab up all the inventory looking to resell it for profit, only to do so when it's at it's exhausted limit and then stuck with so many they can't give it away.

it's true that those that can't grasp reality in what they are doing is selfish can never be reasoned with or made to see their fault.... so it's no use in making a topic like this since all it will do is come back on you or those in question will simply use some lame excuse as to why they see no wrong in doing what they do.

the best thing to do in cases like this is to not buy it from said person. eventually they will not know what to do with such a large amount of the stuff and will eventually drop their price, in some cases less then what they paid to simply move it.

[Insider]

i just laugh at the ones that do grab up all the inventory looking to resell it for profit, only to do so when it's at it's exhausted limit and then stuck with so many they can't give it away.

it's true that those that can't grasp reality in what they are doing is selfish can never be reasoned with or made to see their fault.... so it's no use in making a topic like this since all it will do is come back on you or those in question will simply use some lame excuse as to why they see no wrong in doing what they do.

the best thing to do in cases like this is to not buy it from said person. eventually they will not know what to do with such a large amount of the stuff and will eventually drop their price, in some cases less then what they paid to simply move it.

this is all accurate. I agree.

[the stig]

imo, nobody should ever need more than 3 of a certain item at one time.... hence why stores usually post that a customer is never allowed more than say 4 of the same item. this gives other shoppers a chance to buy the item and keeps it fair, but shows like those coupon stacking / volume buying don't help and actually set a bad example. i shake my head at these people/families that feel the need to have 10 bottles of mouth wash or 35 sticks of deodorant or even 15 jugs of welches grape juice and only have a family of 3 or 4.

it all expires at some point and you can't tell me these people use it all within the given time frame... so what they don't use is wasted, but like i said before... they don't know any better so why bother making a case lol.

[Fantaz]

gives underage minority a fun summer job. selling actually teaches a good lesson for kids about commerce, they might want to open stores later and they get better in what they do.

[crymsonian]

I used to laugh when I'd see a sikh family with over a dozen gallons of milk sitting in their shopping carts until a sikh coworker of mine told me his family of 4 go through 16 jugs per week!
So it's hard to say some people don't use it all.
Even myself I take 3 showers per day(morning\post workout, after work) and use deodorant every time so maybe I'm hoarding deodorant when buying bulk at Costco?

[hagbard]

What is this, the Soviet Union?

[brunes]

What is this, the Soviet Union?

Agreed.

If you wanted one - maybe you should have gotten off your butt and been there before the guy who bought them all.

I buy big quantities of items that won't expire all the time - 4,5,6. Very often there are none left on the shelf. I don't feel guilty one bit. Why would I? For one - if I am there buying 4 or 5 of the thing, and that will leave the shelf empty, then that implies that there were 20 or 40 or whatever of them item on that shelf BEFORE I GOT THERE that people ALREADY bought.. so why is it MY problem the shelf is empty? I am not even the root cause of it.

Secondly, I do not feel it is my job as a consumer to police store inventory - it is the stores. If you have a problem with a sale item running out, they are who you should complain to, not the person buying them - of course the store will never give a crap since most of the time these kinds of sales are either loss-leaders or inventory clear-outs.

As far as people buying 100% of items and trying to re-sell them at a profit on eBay or Kijiji - more power to em. I would never do that since I value my time more than they apparently do, but in the end, we live in a capitalist system and this is how capitalism works. Supply and demand folks. And, odds are very high (as others pointed out) that these guys often DO end up being burned in the end at least half of the time, so whatever. I am not going to say I have never been frustrated by driving to a store only to find out their stock is sold out - because I have been - but I am also not going to act like a lunatic thinking that there should be some kind of prohibition against buying inventory.

[Coz4k]

... Feral Ghouls in Fallout 3

I'm starting this thread for everyone who just despises hoarders / hoarding of hot deals to post what they think of people who buy more than they need of a hot deal, shutting out other RFDers from getting a good deal, so the hoarder can resell the items at a profit.

I figure "Shopping Discussion" is a good a place as any for this thread, and when people start talking about how hoarding is "legitimate", just reply with a link to this topic and they will begin to understand (not that they ever will fully understand why hoarding is amoral at best, unethical by many people's standards, and downright rotten behaviour in the context of RFD.

Mods... feel free to delete if you think this doesn't enrich the RFD experience :-P

Feral ghouls are ez.

Death Claws are another thing

[YippoHippo]

Bashing so-called hoarders is nonsense. First come first serve.

I have to agree with this user.

However, hoarders usually get stuck with the inventory they bought for cheap. There is a Kijiji posting with someone trying to sell 30 Wii hockey sticks for $5. Before that AD, someone else posted an AD with the same inventory for $2.50 each.

[smartie]

If you don't want to lineup at 12am,just pay more. You value your time more and other value money more. Then you pay money for your time.fair game

[Ukmyink]

Only issue I see with hoarding are those who purchase only to resell.

Only way to solve this issue is for the government to enforce taxation on kijiji/ebay, after all it is income and should be taxed as such.

[InvisibleSoul]

I have to agree with this user.

However, hoarders usually get stuck with the inventory they bought for cheap. There is a Kijiji posting with someone trying to sell 30 Wii hockey sticks for $5. Before that AD, someone else posted an AD with the same inventory for $2.50 each.

I would not say "usually" is the correct word, unless the hoarder is stupid.

Yes, hoarders get stuck with some items that they thought they could resell for a profit, but if you're careful about it, it shouldn't happen too often. If it does, that's fine too... the hoarder knows that's the risk they're taking.

[ricefran]

I'm not a hoarder and sometimes I miss out deals because they are OOS. But I have nothing against hoarders. I see it as that's how life is. They are just like businesses - buying things and reselling to make a profit. If they found a way making money, kudos to them. Good that they don't rely on welfare. I hope they pay taxes on their profit though, but I don't think they will.

[EmperorOfCanada]

imo, nobody should ever need more than 3 of a certain item at one time.... hence why stores usually post that a customer is never allowed more than say 4 of the same item. this gives other shoppers a chance to buy the item and keeps it fair, but shows like those coupon stacking / volume buying don't help and actually set a bad example. i shake my head at these people/families that feel the need to have 10 bottles of mouth wash or 35 sticks of deodorant or even 15 jugs of welches grape juice and only have a family of 3 or 4.

it all expires at some point and you can't tell me these people use it all within the given time frame... so what they don't use is wasted, but like i said before... they don't know any better so why bother making a case lol.

There have been times I have bought 10+ of an item beause the price was that good. Only items I would use myself though, and only non perishable items like Laundry detergent or toilet paper etc. 3 is a very low limit actually for some grocery items, especially if you have a medium-large family.

[RubberCheese]

Only issue I see with hoarding are those who purchase only to resell.

Only way to solve this issue is for the government to enforce taxation on kijiji/ebay, after all it is income and should be taxed as such.

Only the profit is income, and how would kijiji/ebay be able to determine what you paid for it?

If someone is making a real income by reselling, I'm sure CRA will come knocking

[Maymybonneliveforever]

Technically speakering 'hoarders" don't sell anything they own or has little value, see definition below, hence the reason they accumulate so much and end up Hoarding.


"Compulsive hoarding (or pathological collecting) is a pattern of behavior that is characterized by the excessive acquisition of and inability or unwillingness to discard large quantities of objects that would seemingly qualify as useless or without value."

I believe that this thread was started more so for those people who buy out inventories of sale items for the purpose of resale, thus eliminating the possibility for other people to take advantage of said sale items. In other words, people who normally dissregard the limit quantity on sale items, and purchase for the sole purpose of resale and profit. Or buy out inventory of sale items when no limit is enforced and resell for profit.

[thrifthunter]

So if a store is blowing out inventory of something for $50 and there are no limits on how many you can buy, and you know you could easily re-sell for $100 each you wouldn't jump at the opportunity? I call bs on that! People just love to pretend they have freakishly high levels of morality on the internet for some reason I will never understand, you are not impressing anybody.

I haven't had an opportunity like that, but if I did I would go for it! Yes I know I am classless/despicable/selfish/whatever other derogatory word you fakers want to throw at me. It is no different than a store sourcing items and then selling them off for profit.

[Ottomaddox]

So if a store is blowing out inventory of something for $50 and there are no limits on how many you can buy, and you know you could easily re-sell for $100 each you wouldn't jump at the opportunity? I call bs on that! People just love to pretend they have freakishly high levels of morality on the internet for some reason I will never understand, you are not impressing anybody.

I haven't had an opportunity like that, but if I did I would go for it! Yes I know I am classless/despicable/selfish/whatever other derogatory word you fakers want to throw at me. It is no different than a store sourcing items and then selling them off for profit.

I think the big distinction here is that people are openly sharing deals they have found so that others may benefit; they resent someone else overtly profiting from knowledge freely given away.

[CrazyJo82]

I think the big distinction here is that people are openly sharing deals they have found so that others may benefit; they resent someone else overtly profiting from knowledge freely given away.

I think what people are annoyed about are things like the Wal-mart $1 games and/or the RCSS $5 games. I never even had an opportunity to even look through what they had. It's worse when someone post these deals up and you have people waiting by the door at 10am when they open they go and grab 100 games and sometimes multiple copies of the same games.

I dont mind people buying multi-copies of one game if they're getting it on behave of a friend because people DO go to work. I also don't mind people buying maybe 3 -5 copies of the same game and selling it for small profit because every dollar counts. But I think most people here are annoyed at the ones that buy more 5 copies of games for the sole purpose of selling for profit.

[NG]

Hoarders have largely ruined a large part of the hot deals forums.

I'm not sure if there's a direct correlation but it seems like the influx of hoarders occurred when Hot Deals got more posters interested in video game deals but then the hoarding spread over into other hot deals.

Personally I wouldn't mind a separate Hot Games Deals forum - I know it wouldn't stop hoarding there but hopefully it'd leave all the other deals alone since they might not go into the main forum as much.

[the stig]

this topic has gone off in two directions.... i think it was originally intended to point out those that go above and beyond what a normal person/family would grab while shopping on an item on sale or clearance. those that would simply clear the shelf not giving others a chance to buy it as well BUT for personal use and not resale.

and then it some how transitioned into people that see an item at an unusually low price and grab them all up for the intent of selling it at an increased price to make profit.

my beef was with those that see for instance tooth paste on for .99 cents and would grab 10 of them when the display probably had 15 to begin with since it was a promotion thing just to get you in a certain isle or what have you thus leaving hardly any for others that simply need one. on average a normal person can make a tube of tooth paste last about a month / month and a half, so why stockpile so many when it does go one sale at least once a month.

but then i see those that will see stuff that would expire within a weeks time, that has no kids and maybe just a wife or live in gf that would go nuts and buy way too many and then walk around the store looking like an idiot with it heaping in their shopping cart when others could have had an opportunity to have one as well. those people just irk me because you know they are just being rude/selfish out of spite.

but i can also see the point of others about people that grab stuff they don't even need/want simply because it's cheap and buy a dozen of the same item (video games/movies) then run home to post on kijiji or taken into EBgames for multiple trade credit (glad this was finally caught and stopped)

[bubble.tea]

to OP, or someone who knows. Where can I find a copy of lorax? I have been looking for months..no luck.

[Matrixvibe]

Only issue I see with hoarding are those who purchase only to resell.

Only way to solve this issue is for the government to enforce taxation on kijiji/ebay, after all it is income and should be taxed as such.
Did someone say hoard!?

buy low, sell high. Iz dah only way to do it.

Nuffin wrong wif buy buy buy. :D

[zatnaf]

Did someone say hoard!?

buy low, sell high. Iz dah only way to do it.

Nuffin wrong wif buy buy buy. :D

And definitely at NCIX warehouse sales.

[Maymybonneliveforever]

this topic has gone off in two directions.... i think it was originally intended to point out those that go above and beyond what a normal person/family would grab while shopping on an item on sale or clearance. those that would simply clear the shelf not giving others a chance to buy it as well BUT for personal use and not resale.Actually I believe based on the underlined original post, that lorax did have the intentions of pointing out people that buy out inventory to resell for a profit. see below.

I'm starting this thread for everyone who just despises hoarders / hoarding of hot deals to post what they think of people who buy more than they need of a hot deal, shutting out other RFDers from getting a good deal, so the hoarder can resell the items at a profit.I figure "Shopping Discussion" is a good a place as any for this thread, and when people start talking about how hoarding is "legitimate", just reply with a link to this topic and they will begin to understand (not that they ever will fully understand why hoarding is amoral at best, unethical by many people's standards, and downright rotten behaviour in the context of RFD.

Mods... feel free to delete if you think this doesn't enrich the RFD experience :-P

[Supercooled]

Holding is in the good spirits of economy.

[noplan]

where do hoarders even get rid of their stuff?

i put my old games on craigslist cheaper than everyone else to get rid of it and everybody flakes out.

[Jalmir]

meh ... hoarders are annoying but that's it, all those deals usually come back at some point, if not, something similar or better is going to happen down the line.

What gets me are thief, like the 2 guys that "stole" the 40 inches Sharp that my (then very pregnant) wife was holding and waiting for me at the last Boxing Day.

[iamnotamerican.com]

So if a store is blowing out inventory of something for $50 and there are no limits on how many you can buy, and you know you could easily re-sell for $100 each you wouldn't jump at the opportunity? I call bs on that! People just love to pretend they have freakishly high levels of morality on the internet for some reason I will never understand, you are not impressing anybody.

I've not done it many times, but my rule of thumb is if it's something I want for myself and I am able to sell a couple at a profit so that the one I keep is essentially free, I'm good.

[Swswswish]

Feral Ghouls aren't that bad, they can be one shotted with a hunting rifle.

Now Cazadores on the other hand......

[akz]

Hoarding = constitution of rfd.