Impatient TTC Bus driver running red light

[kalak22]

Have you been passed by a TTC Bus which used the bus stop lane just for passing without stopping for passengers?
I have seen it a few times, and this is an extreme example.

Do note that the bus was empty at that time as it was off service.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujK0vIruqeU&hd=1

The time stamp was off though by 5 hours (forgot to reset time zone...). This was near Finch & Victoria Park.
Recorded with BlackVue DR400G-HD.

[RolandCouch]

lol. that's pretty bad.

[umop]

First time I've seen a bus pull something like that.

However, I was recently on the TTC, we were stopped at a red light, and the bus was at the front. The light was still red and the driver just went through it. Maybe he was behind schedule. It was a small intersection though and he didn't come close to causing an accident.

[Doodies]

The person driving the SUV is an ******* so is the guy in the crown vic and also you or who ever is filming this and putting it online. I feel bad for bus drivers that have to do this for a living, way to much frustration having to deal with these people..

[transitguy1]

yeah these people are just jealous they can't get a job with benefits.

So they take it out on the drivers in this manner. If these people had to do it for a living they would be having panic attacks due to the stress.

[OnFiYa]

I think that's just one really bad case, if anything I prefer it when the TTC driver runs deep amber/red lights. You'd like to think you are going to your destination as fast as possible.

[DearSummer]

Wow, it's incredible that somebody who drives for a living would make such a dangerous driving manoeuvre and put innocent people's lives at risk. I wonder if it's possible for the TTC to find out who was driving that bus and have them disciplined.

[bas00m]

epic radio ... the lady was like the driver of such car was charged ..... and I was like she needs to add to that news that a ttc bus just ran a red light

but seeing this video twice i can see that the driver had to swerve to the right because he did not want to rear end that suv so he had to cut the light

[lak]

The person driving the SUV is an ******* so is the guy in the crown vic and also you or who ever is filming this and putting it online. I feel bad for bus drivers that have to do this for a living, way to much frustration having to deal with these people..

So you seriously think that the bus driver is justified to drive like that?
With the widespread use of dash cam, and when just about everyone is carrying a camera phone, you sort of should expect anything you do in public can potentially be recorded. What is there to get frustrated if you obey the basic traffic regulations? (even more so for bus drivers!)

[Salavat23]

Wow, it's incredible that somebody who drives for a living would make such a dangerous driving manoeuvre and put innocent people's lives at risk. I wonder if it's possible for the TTC to find out who was driving that bus and have them disciplined.

Did you not read the OP?

[trixstar]

the ttc driver is a ***** and should be investigated and charged. That's a crazy maneuver to pull on a bus. It could have been catastrophic if he had lost control.

Doodies is either a ttc driver or has a family member working with the ttc

[onlineharvest]

Did you not read the OP?

Other drivers, pedestrians are innocent people too, not just passengers (it was empty)

[onlineharvest]

epic radio ... the lady was like the driver of such car was charged ..... and I was like she needs to add to that news that a ttc bus just ran a red light

but seeing this video twice i can see that the driver had to swerve to the right because he did not want to rear end that suv so he had to cut the light

Look closely, the SUV stops at the red, not amber. If the bus had to pull that ****, it was because he was tailgating and going to fast - no need to justify this ***** of a move. Reckless really, as it was completely red prior to going through the intersection.

[trixstar]

Did you not read the OP?

still putting people live's at risk.. what if he/she had lost control and plowed into the stationary cars?

[peanutz]

First time I've seen a bus pull something like that.

However, I was recently on the TTC, we were stopped at a red light, and the bus was at the front. The light was still red and the driver just went through it. Maybe he was behind schedule. It was a small intersection though and he didn't come close to causing an accident.I've seen the same as you - a TTC bus just going through on a red light at a T intersection.

As for the video above - it's close, but I think the front of the bus actually made it into the intersection on the yellow before it turned red. I don't think that counts as running a red, although of course all us drivers should try to stop on the yellow if it's safe and possible to do so. :razz:

[Doodies]

Look closely, the SUV stops at the red, not amber. If the bus had to pull that ****, it was because he was tailgating and going to fast - no need to justify this ***** of a move. Reckless really, as it was completely red prior to going through the intersection.

He is almost completely stopped when it is yellow, he is a peice of **** and so is the crown vic that just hovers in the left lane and in the busses blind spot for no apparent reason

[Piro21]

The person driving the SUV is an ******* so is the guy in the crown vic and also you or who ever is filming this and putting it online. I feel bad for bus drivers that have to do this for a living, way to much frustration having to deal with these people..


yeah these people are just jealous they can't get a job with benefits.

So they take it out on the drivers in this manner. If these people had to do it for a living they would be having panic attacks due to the stress.

Are you two geniuses seriously trying to portray the bus driver as a victim in this scenario? Not only did he run a red light, he was tailgating that SUV for almost the entire length of the video. If driving like that is to be defended as 'what they do for a living' it's no surprise the driver on Bay street injured all those passengers.

[peanutz]

He is almost completely stopped when it is yellow, he is a peice of **** and so is the crown vic that just hovers in the left lane and in the busses blind spot for no apparent reasonWhoa, you angry much? Being stopped in a yellow light means he is a "peice of ****"? Uh, ok.

[1xTiMeR]

By the time the bus got to the intersection, it was going from yellow to red. The video posted does not count as the bus running a red...

[kalak22]

By the time the bus got to the intersection, it was going from yellow to red. The video posted does not count as the bus running a red...

Are you sure?

http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/8283264/img/8283264.png

[onlineharvest]

He is almost completely stopped when it is yellow, he is a peice of **** and so is the crown vic that just hovers in the left lane and in the busses blind spot for no apparent reason

He actually completely stops at the red (see blown up pic)
And btw, amber does not mean speed up (even though we are all guilty of that). I can never fault a driver, this one included, for obeying the traffic rules.

[Piro21]

By the time the bus got to the intersection, it was going from yellow to red. The video posted does not count as the bus running a red...

If you're in an intersection when the light turns red it's still running a red. Cops will charge you for it. Yellow lights are meant for slowing to a stop if you're not in the intersection, and for getting out of it if you are.

[Abel4Life]

So even if a bus did't run a red light do you always videorecord other cars/buses? Creepy.

[boyoflondon]

The person driving the SUV is an ******* so is the guy in the crown vic and also you or who ever is filming this and putting it online. I feel bad for bus drivers that have to do this for a living, way to much frustration having to deal with these people..

Were you dropped on your head or are you just that blind/stupid?? The SUV and the Civic in the turning lane both stopped for a reason - RED LIGHT!!

[Superboot]

First time I've seen a bus pull something like that.

However, I was recently on the TTC, we were stopped at a red light, and the bus was at the front. The light was still red and the driver just went through it. Maybe he was behind schedule. It was a small intersection though and he didn't come close to causing an accident.

This is the worst when your on the other side of the street trying to catch that bus and you think you can make it since the bus is at the red but he just goes through...

[neutral]

Wow, it's incredible that somebody who drives for a living would make such a dangerous driving manoeuvre and put innocent people's lives at risk. I wonder if it's possible for the TTC to find out who was driving that bus and have them disciplined.

One thing we know for sure, this would never happen if there were no regulations and requirements needed for drivers, if we got rid of the unions, and we gave them half the pay! That's a recipe for passenger safety!!!!

[gizmo8]

So even if a bus did't run a red light do you always videorecord other cars/buses? Creepy.

duh the camera records all traffic and the bus ran a red...its was probably out of service bus but they usually stay on the left lane if it was...send this in to the news papers.TTC is still crap and the workers havent changed one bit.

[Superboot]

duh the camera records all traffic and the bus ran a red...its was probably out of service bus but they usually stay on the left lane if it was...send this in to the news papers.TTC is still crap and the workers havent changed one bit.

+ 1, report this.

[Abel4Life]

duh the camera records all traffic and the bus ran a red...its was probably out of service bus but they usually stay on the left lane if it was...send this in to the news papers.TTC is still crap and the workers havent changed one bit.

What camera are you talking about?

This is clearly some pedestrian just videorecording a bus in front of him. Maybe next he should follow a garbage man around when they are collecting trash.

[gizmo8]

What camera are you talking about?

This is clearly some pedestrian just videorecording a bus in front of him. Maybe next he should follow a garbage man around when they are collecting trash.

What???..he posted a video of a TTC bus running a red light...this is not big brother watching....your defending the bus driver??

[Abel4Life]

What???..he posted a video of a TTC bus running a red light...this is not big brother watching....your defending the bus driver??

No Man not at all. Driver being wrong is another thing.

Ignore the red light thing for a second. I get that.

But you gotta question, how long was this dude following the bus with a video camera? Does he do this often? Follow TTC bus drivers around? If I had a video camera staring into your car for a KM or more wouldn't you think thats odd?

[Macross_Freek]

No Man not at all. Driver being wrong is another thing.

Ignore the red light thing for a second. I get that.

But you gotta question, how long was this dude following the bus with a video camera? Does he do this often? Follow TTC bus drivers around? If I had a video camera staring into your car for a KM or more wouldn't you think thats odd?

Ummm this is a video from a car dashcam which happened to be running as he was driving (as most dashcams do). It's to protect the driver and be able to record accidents if they happen. He just happened to catch the TTC bus during his drive. I doubt the OP has time to follow TTC buses around just to film them.

[daikman]

Isn't that an undercover pig in the crown vic? It'd be nice to see his dashcam angle too lol

[slowtyper]

No Man not at all. Driver being wrong is another thing.

Ignore the red light thing for a second. I get that.

But you gotta question, how long was this dude following the bus with a video camera? Does he do this often? Follow TTC bus drivers around? If I had a video camera staring into your car for a KM or more wouldn't you think thats odd?

LOL wtf? Op was just driving his normal route, not following the bus. The camera is on all the time.

[appleb]

If you're in an intersection when the light turns red it's still running a red. Cops will charge you for it. Yellow lights are meant for slowing to a stop if you're not in the intersection, and for getting out of it if you are.

I believe the proper way to determine red light running is if your front wheels were behind or ahead of the white line the moment the light turns red. If you are already past the white line when the light turns red then you are okay, but you were behind the white line and the light turns red and then you cross the white line, then you are considered running a red light.

At least that's how red light cameras work. They take a picture 2 seconds apart and see where you are in relation to that white line.

When you see yellow you're supposed to stop if possible, or if you can't stop then you are to proceed through the intersection with caution. I didn't see the video but judging by the comments I assume the bus driver attempted neither.

[lak]

So even if a bus did't run a red light do you always videorecord other cars/buses? Creepy.

This is clearly some pedestrian just videorecording a bus in front of him. Maybe next he should follow a garbage man around when they are collecting trash.

But you gotta question, how long was this dude following the bus with a video camera? Does he do this often? Follow TTC bus drivers around? If I had a video camera staring into your car for a KM or more wouldn't you think thats odd?

Hmmm.... it looks like you have no idea what a "dash cam" is all about? (is that even possible in RFD? :confused:)

It's time for you to check out this epic thread: http://forums.redflagdeals.com/reason-why-you-need-dashcam-pt-2-a-1142756/
or other similar discussion http://forums.redflagdeals.com/scam-foiled-reason-why-you-need-dash-camera-1142713/

[zz000ter]

From the video we don't know what the car in front of bus did.
Maybe it looked like he was going to go on yellow and then decided to stop
The bus driver obviously could not stop as quickly

I think the bus driver did the "least of all evils" in doing what he did

otherwise we could have had another one of these - http://forums.redflagdeals.com/ttc-bus-driver-charged-careless-driving-order-avoid-accident-1177807/

BTW - the OP should have cut the clip to maybe 30 sec

[zz000ter]

So even if a bus did't run a red light do you always videorecord other cars/buses? Creepy.

Far from creepy!
Quite smart actually.
Everyone should have one.

Protect yourself from getting RAGU'd

[manmanny]

epic radio ... the lady was like the driver of such car was charged ..... and I was like she needs to add to that news that a ttc bus just ran a red light

but seeing this video twice i can see that the driver had to swerve to the right because he did not want to rear end that suv so he had to cut the light

If you drive carefully and not aggressive as this bus driver this wont happen again.
But this is not new. This type of aggressive driving is very common.

[manmanny]

Far from creepy!
Quite smart actually.
Everyone should have one.

Protect yourself from getting RAGU'd

lol. but correct. The creepy comments are dumb.

[manmanny]

No Man not at all. Driver being wrong is another thing.

Ignore the red light thing for a second. I get that.

But you gotta question, how long was this dude following the bus with a video camera? Does he do this often? Follow TTC bus drivers around? If I had a video camera staring into your car for a KM or more wouldn't you think thats odd?

really? Somebody has to follow the bus to get that? As if people drive to video shoot the TTC bus drivers/driving/mistakes? poster has no clue about dashcam.

another dumb comment.

[Menthol]

That's normal TTC driving habits, they do that all the time to get ahead in the line. Even if no one is coming off or going on they pull into there so you can yield to let they get ahead.

[Piro21]

From the video we don't know what the car in front of bus did.
Maybe it looked like he was going to go on yellow and then decided to stop
The bus driver obviously could not stop as quickly

I think the bus driver did the "least of all evils" in doing what he did

otherwise we could have had another one of these - http://forums.redflagdeals.com/ttc-bus-driver-charged-careless-driving-order-avoid-accident-1177807/

BTW - the OP should have cut the clip to maybe 30 sec

He could have completely avoided the situation by not riding the SUV's ***** the entire video, but that would mean he'd have to be a responsible driver.

[jason9945]

Wow, it's incredible that somebody who drives for a living would make such a dangerous driving manoeuvre and put innocent people's lives at risk. I wonder if it's possible for the TTC to find out who was driving that bus and have them disciplined.


the ttc driver is a ***** and should be investigated and charged. That's a crazy maneuver to pull on a bus. It could have been catastrophic if he had lost control.

The alternative was rear ending the SUV, although the bus driver shouldn't have been so close to it in the first place.

If you're in an intersection when the light turns red it's still running a red. Cops will charge you for it. Yellow lights are meant for slowing to a stop if you're not in the intersection, and for getting out of it if you are.
But you should continue through the intersection if you cannot stop short of the intersection....

He could have completely avoided the situation by not riding the SUV's ***** the entire video, but that would mean he'd have to be a responsible driver.
+1

[geokilla]

See it all the time. Time to use our dash cams to make the TTC better and safer.

[EnyCe]

No Man not at all. Driver being wrong is another thing.

Ignore the red light thing for a second. I get that.

But you gotta question, how long was this dude following the bus with a video camera? Does he do this often? Follow TTC bus drivers around? If I had a video camera staring into your car for a KM or more wouldn't you think thats odd?

You've obviously never heard of a dash cam, or better yet- it's purpose.

[at1212b]

Here's the way I see. Old timer TTC drivers rarely did stuff like (if you rode in the 80's and 90's, you'll know what I'm talking about). Being the baby boomer ages, they have mostly retired.

Today, and I'm just generalizing and its my observation, you have barely passed highschool social outcasts, or thug wannabes, who smoke dope, angry at their life, was likely spoiled as a kid (younger generation are) and therefore just take everything out on traffic. That yield sign they think is a RIGHT to do crazy things. Yea, there's alot of messed up people out there, but your job is to drive a bus safely.

It's shocking how TTC guys drive their bus today. I hope this video goes viral, and I hope that bus driver who slammed his brakes injuring all those people gets the book thrown at him.

This bus driver was easily tailgating the car in front of him which you can tell he taps his brakes a couple of times (looks like a 50km/hr road and if OP's speedometer is correct, it is already above the speed limit). By the time the car stopped, the light was already red, meaning bus driver clearly saw a yellow from far away.

These menace drivers (good drivers are exempt of course) need to be taken off the road.

[Ebeniz]

What if there was a last minute left turner on the opposite side of the intersection... He would of been t-boned by the bus.

This should be reported the the newspaper, police and TTC complaints (http://www3.ttc.ca/Contact_Us/Complaints_Compliments_Suggestions/index.jsp).

[Fox2k]

Looks to me like a combination of two bad drivers. suv driver wasn't paying attention and slammed on the brakes when he saw the yellow light, and bus driver didn't keep safe distance / didn't notice the yellow and had to swerve to stop from hitting the suv. At least that's what it looks like to me. Or maybe the bus driver just didn't expect the suv to slam on the brakes at the yellow rather than continuing through.

[Tig]

ttc bus driver:

1. was following too closely
2. makes an unsafe lane change
3. runs red light

anyone that blames other cars either doesn't know how to drive or is a ttc employee or likely both as the two are clearly anything but mutually exclusive.

[damnos]

However, I was recently on the TTC, we were stopped at a red light, and the bus was at the front. The light was still red and the driver just went through it. Maybe he was behind schedule. It was a small intersection though and he didn't come close to causing an accident.

"didnt come close to causing an accident" doesn't mean you can drive carelessly.
If you drive at 200 km/h in an empty highway at 2am, and got caught for speeding, you will still get charged regardless of "not coming close to causing an accident"

I've seen quite a few TTC buses that pull this kind of stun, not as extreme as the one in OP's video, but running red light is not unheard of. Even if he's behind schedule, doesn't justify him to endanger everyone around.


The person driving the SUV is an ******* so is the guy in the crown vic and also you or who ever is filming this and putting it online. I feel bad for bus drivers that have to do this for a living, way to much frustration having to deal with these people..

And that's a good reason why the TTC driver is allowed to put everyone around in danger? Nice ... Probably if I got pulled over by cop I need to say that "everyone around me is driving like a ****" let see what the cop and the court says ... what an idiotic reasoning.

[Ebeniz]

Looks to me like a combination of two bad drivers. suv driver wasn't paying attention and slammed on the brakes when he saw the yellow light, and bus driver didn't keep safe distance / didn't notice the yellow and had to swerve to stop from hitting the suv. At least that's what it looks like to me. Or maybe the bus driver just didn't expect the suv to slam on the brakes at the yellow rather than continuing through.

the SUV driver wasn't paying attention? And slammed on his brakes? Where do you see that? You can see through the bus?

The TTC driver is 100% at fault and should be suspended or fired for reckless driving.

[Zomby10]

Maybe there was a bomb on board like the movie speed?

[Fox2k]

You can see through the bus?


yup.

[DaVibe]

Looks to me like a combination of two bad drivers. suv driver wasn't paying attention and slammed on the brakes when he saw the yellow light, and bus driver didn't keep safe distance / didn't notice the yellow and had to swerve to stop from hitting the suv. At least that's what it looks like to me. Or maybe the bus driver just didn't expect the suv to slam on the brakes at the yellow rather than continuing through.

I've watched the video 10 times now and I've been thinking the same thing. Put yourself in that situation, as the vehicle behind the SUV. The bus is following pretty closely as it is, the light changes and you might expect the driver in front of you to go through the light (giving you more room to stop OR to actually go through the intersection - in this case, which the bus would do).
A normal car would have to stop pretty hard, since the SUV driver was being extra cautious and decided not to go through ... but in that video, he's DRIVING A BUS!
I highly doubt he can stop on a dime and not get thrown from inside, so yes, I see fault on both parties.

What this driver did is actually a defensive driving maneuver ... if you can't stop, you need to change lanes or get out of the way.
I'm not saying what I see in the video is right, I see faults all around, but I can see why someone would do that.

If I was driving and had to brake fast like that, I'd probably change into the open lane and stop ... with a bus, probably can't stop like a car, so they continued through the light.

The bus driver should have seen the light was changing, they should have not been tailgating the SUV and should have foreseen that they would have to stop ... but, they missed all of that.


He could have completely avoided the situation by not riding the SUV's ***** the entire video, but that would mean he'd have to be a responsible driver.

Agreed, if the OP's lengthy clip shows anything, is that they were traveling at the rate for the road and the bus was behind the SUV for some time.

[manmanny]

I've watched the video 10 times now and I've been thinking the same thing. Put yourself in that situation, as the vehicle behind the SUV. (giving you more room to stop OR to actually go through the intersection - in this case, which the bus would do).
A normal car would have to stop pretty hard, since the SUV driver was being extra cautious and decided not to go through ... but in that video, he's DRIVING A BUS!
I highly doubt he can stop on a dime and not get thrown from inside, so yes, I see fault on both parties.

What this driver did is actually a defensive driving maneuver ... if you can't stop, you need to change lanes or get out of the way.
I'm not saying what I see in the video is right, I see faults all around, but I can see why someone would do that.

If I was driving and had to brake fast like that, I'd probably change into the open lane and stop ... with a bus, probably can't stop like a car, so they continued through the light.

The bus driver should have seen the light was changing, they should have not been tailgating the SUV and should have foreseen that they would have to stop ... but, they missed all of that.



Agreed, if the OP's lengthy clip shows anything, is that they were traveling at the rate for the road and the bus was behind the SUV for some time.


"The bus is following pretty closely as it is, the light changes and you might expect the driver in front of you to go through the light "

Don't expect what the other driver might do. He can do whatever he wants. It something happens then the law and order will take care.
You are driving a Bus so be careful. Its Bus driver Job to drive safe.

"What this driver did is actually a defensive driving maneuver " Fail and go back to comments above.

[Manatus]

What this driver did is actually a defensive driving maneuver ... if you can't stop, you need to change lanes or get out of the way.

I don't agree, because if you're driving defensively then you will always be able to stop, or at the very least you won't have to take dangerous evasive action and break the law. Defensive driving isn't James Bond driving. Yes, he's driving a bus, but he's a bus driver... he should be able to control his own vehicle and not need other road users to behave favourably towards him to not have an accident. If you can't stop in time behind another vehicle, then you are either going too fast or following too close, doesn't matter if you're driving a car, bus or truck, doesn't matter whether the vehicle in front stops hard or whatever else. The guy in front is not responsible for what the guy behind does.

[DaVibe]

Oh yeah, this video was shot in Toronto ... THAT's the reason! :)

[Agram]

One thing we know for sure, this would never happen if there were no regulations and requirements needed for drivers, if we got rid of the unions, and we gave them half the pay! That's a recipe for passenger safety!!!!

What does the Union have to do with this? If the police saw this he would have been charged plain and simple oh and please don't even go there and say the cops do not charge TTC drivers.

[Dina_E]

One thing we know for sure, this would never happen if there were no regulations and requirements needed for drivers, if we got rid of the unions, and we gave them half the pay! That's a recipe for passenger safety!!!!

What does the Union have to do with this? If the police saw this he would have been charged plain and simple oh and please don't even go there and say the cops do not charge TTC drivers.

well I just emailed the video to my local police division and Toronto sun. We shall see bg Monday if something happens.

[jason9945]

well I just emailed the video to my local police division and Toronto sun. We shall see bg Monday if something happens.

What would happen?

Did you actually shoot the video?

There is no way to confirm when the video was taken, and who was driving the bus at the time so nothing will happen.

Also, nothing happened in the video so I'm not sure what outcome you expect? Wost case the driver might get a talking to.

[Dina_E]

What would happen?

Did you actually shoot the video?

There is no way to confirm when the video was taken, and who was driving the bus at the time so nothing will happen.

Also, nothing happened in the video so I'm not sure what outcome you expect? Wost case the driver might get a talking to.

you mean like the dude on the trans canada highway and yet he was charged.

its pretty obvious when it was shot and its a TTC bus.

[DaVibe]

well I just emailed the video to my local police division and Toronto sun. We shall see bg Monday if something happens.

WOW again, taking it too far IMO.
I'm sure if we followed your driving around with a camera, we'd find a few things that aren't legal as well. Everyone would. That's what police are for, who uphold the traffic laws. Not morons with dash cams.

[jason9945]

you mean like the dude on the trans canada highway and yet he was charged.

its pretty obvious when it was shot and its a TTC bus.

I have no idea what you're talking about. What happened on the trans canada?

It is one of thousands of TTC busses, with hundreds of drivers. Who knows if the dash cam time is set correctly? I never set the date on my camera when I had one.


WOW again, taking it too far IMO.
I'm sure if we followed your driving around with a camera, we'd find a few things that aren't legal as well. Everyone would. That's what police are for, who uphold the traffic laws. Not morons with dash cams.
+1, mailing in a youtube video is just wasting everyones time.

[Ebeniz]

well I just emailed the video to my local police division and Toronto sun. We shall see bg Monday if something happens.

Good... keep us posted if they respond