Does the title Gay/Straight Alliance In Schools Bother You?

[LostInTruth]

I was debating starting this thread, as I'm not sure how mods would take this? Yes, I guess their could be a political/religious angle to this, however, I was hoping we could put that aside and attempt to have a mature discussion about this as it is a hot topic lately. There's an article in the Toronto Star about this, however, it is more skewed towards religion so I decided to leave it out. Now that I've covered my a$$.... :cheesygri

As an individual, would you have a problem if your child went to a school which had a club with the title "Gay/Straight Alliance?"

Personally, I do not see an issue with this. We want kids to be tolerant of one another, yet at the same time we are are trying to sugar-coat one of the most prolific cause of bullying in our schools these days which is against homosexuality; and the purpose of these clubs is too bring everyone together.

To even think that having the word gay in a title is some demoralizing thing is absolutely outlandish. There are too many outdated mindsets which unfortunately govern our schools/workplaces, so I applaud anyone who stands up for forward, rational thinking. Thoughts? :)

[stealth]

As a non practicing /lapsed catholic, I think this is a non issue...the catholic schools being stupid.

[deltone]

I wouldn't have a problem whatsoever. People need to be educated so that this sort of hate can be reduced and maybe elimnated, although that's not likely. People need to grow up and stop sticking their noses in other people's business. Someone being gay doesn't affect me in any way shape or form just as my or your being hetero affects anyone else. Life is far too short, and far too long to hate on others for something that is none of our business. We all have enough of our own problems to deal with.

[deltone]

As a non practicing /lapsed catholic, I think this is a non issue...the catholic schools being stupid.

Especially in view of... (I dare not complete the sentence but given all that's been in the news over the years, anyone can fill in the blanks). (I'm as you are.....non-prac/lapsed RC).

[cmge]

why just focus on gay ?... should it not be LGBTTIQQ2SA/Straight Alliance instead?

[Metagame]

The problem is, the homosexual community is so uptight these days they take everything as an attack or "bullying".

e.x if a kid were to say "I have no problem with homosexual people. I'd just wouldn't be friends with them and prefer to befriend straight people like myself", the homosexual community would consider such a comment as an attack on them and label the kid a "bullying homophobe". :facepalm:

[LostInTruth]

The problem is, the homosexual community is so uptight these days they take everything as an attack or "bullying".

e.x if a kid were to say "I have no problem with homosexual people. I'd just wouldn't be friends with them and prefer to befriend straight people like myself", the homosexual community would consider such a comment as an attack on them and label the kid a "bullying homophobe". :facepalm:

Showing bias against someone based on their sexuality is not an attack on the individual/group? Nobody is forcing anyone to befriend homosexuals nor join the clubs at school. If you automatically disregard being friend's with someone because they are homosexual then that is discriminatory. What if your best friend for years one day comes out? Would you automatically dismiss them as well, despite years of friendship? I'm sure not all homosexuals are friendly with one another, but the overall message is equality/respect and we need to break down these barriers. Too many young lives are being destroyed because of homophobia.

[a-tree]

I find it interesting that OP would start by asking "would you have a problem with...". But given the whole context of the post, it seems having a problem would make me a villain.

My point is, why ask the opinions of others when it is implicitly assumed that those that disagree with you hold outdated mindsets with backward, irrational thinking?

[LostInTruth]

I find it interesting that OP would start by asking "would you have a problem with...". But given the whole context of the post, it seems having a problem would make me a villain.

My point is, why ask the opinions of others when it is implicitly assumed that those that disagree with you hold outdated mindsets with backward, irrational thinking?

Fair enough. This is just my opinion. I did state "personally," so you don't have to agree with my views. I do defend my opinion of having an outdated mindset of those who fear having the title gay in there children's school.

I ask the opinion of others to see where they stand on this; not to agree with me.

[a-tree]

Fair enough. This is just my opinion. I did state "personally," so you don't have to agree with my views. I do defend my opinion of having an outdated mindset of those who fear having the title gay in there children's school.

I ask the opinion of others to see where they stand on this; not to agree with me.

I understand you're asking an opinion. But what I'm saying is, you're also implicitly attacking those who would hold a different opinion from you. How many people are going to say, "I have a problem..." when that would instantaneously label that person as 'closed-minded', 'outlandish', 'outdated', 'irrational'?

[Kunman]

A gay guy friend mine is becoming the chicken soup book....Okay,sure, whatever, I dont care. I know you probably been through a lot being gay, so naturally your brain is more developed towards the emotional side.

But damn, stfu, I don't care what your view on Human's addiction to porn, your Gay adventures, religion and homosexuality.....I have zero problems with gays but the thing is that why does this guy have to wave this stupid crap in my face? Its NON of my problem, and when it becomes a problem eg...I some how turn gay, or have a gay child than sure...ill deal with it than.

LOL does this having anything to do with the topic?

Anyways, I commend the non-gays in the club, Good for them. Must be very hard to balance this club and thier social life. I just got out oh high school not long ago, and gays are still hazed terribly by students. Having a Gay Straight Alliance/Anti Bullying Club is very strong support to social minorities.

[LostInTruth]

I understand you're asking an opinion. But what I'm saying is, you're also implicitly attacking those who would hold a different opinion from you. How many people are going to say, "I have a problem..." when that would instantaneously label that person as 'closed-minded', 'outlandish', 'outdated', 'irrational'?

How many people would give a damn of what I think/say though? You give me too much credit. ;)

People already come in here with a predefined mindset, so if we can create change at a younger/impressionable age then why not (in schools)?

Generally, outdated mindsets extend wider than homophobia, whenever I reference that term.

[Piro21]

How dare people try to get along!? It should be outlawed! Becoming less ignorant isn't why kids are in school!





In case you need confirmation, I support these clubs.

[aplayaz2000]

i dont hate gays

but this club is creeping me out

[Metagame]

Showing bias against someone based on their sexuality is not an attack on the individual/group?

Attacked? So now choosing not to associate with someone because of a characteristic they can or cannot control is a vicious attack on them?


Nobody is forcing anyone to befriend homosexuals nor join the clubs at school.
But I'm sure you would approve of such enforced legislation, wouldn't you? After all, how dare the homophobes refuse to befriend people based on something they can't control? Such an outrage.


If you automatically disregard being friend's with someone because they are homosexual then that is discriminatory.
Fact: Everyone discriminates. It's human nature, no matter how much leftists want to argue against it.


What if your best friend for years one day comes out? Would you automatically dismiss them as well, despite years of friendship?
Yes, because he kept something hidden for so long and is clearly not someone I can trust.


I'm sure not all homosexuals are friendly with one another, but the overall message is equality/respect and we need to break down these barriers. Too many young lives are being destroyed because of homophobia.

Problem is, you people throw around the "homophobe" label so much that is has really lost all meaning, much like race card. Most people have no problem with homosexual people having their rights and dignity, however, if someone prefers to associate only with heterosexuals, like themselves, then that is a preference and you need to respect their choices.

[Piro21]

Attacked? So now choosing not to associate with someone because of a characteristic they can or cannot control is a vicious attack on them?


But I'm sure you would approve of such enforced legislation, wouldn't you? After all, how dare the homophobes refuse to befriend people based on something they can't control? Such an outrage.


Fact: Everyone discriminates. It's human nature, no matter how much leftists want to argue against it.


Yes, because he kept something hidden for so long and is clearly not someone I can trust.



Problem is, you people throw around the "homophobe" label so much that is has really lost all meaning, much like race card. Most people have no problem with homosexual people having their rights and dignity, however, if someone prefers to associate only with heterosexuals, like themselves, then that is a preference and you need to respect their choices.

So Metagame is now moving from "Different races shouldn't interact! I'm afraid of having a beer with someone who's not Chinese" to "I shouldn't have to interact with gay people!"

Do you actually know anybody outside of the internet, dude? Your social circle must be incredibly small if you keep finding these excuses to hide away from people.

[D-Roc]

Nope. I have no issue. It is just a matter of time the Government stops funding them.

[mysticalinfluence]

So Metagame is now moving from "Different races shouldn't interact! I'm afraid of having a beer with someone who's not Chinese" to "I shouldn't have to interact with gay people!"

Do you actually know anybody outside of the internet, dude? Your social circle must be incredibly small if you keep finding these excuses to hide away from people.

Prepare for five pages of him going on and on trying to prove that it's preference and not discrimination.

[zz000ter]

Do you actually know anybody outside of the internet, dude? Your social circle must be incredibly small if you keep finding these excuses to hide away from people.

I know quite a few people and I do not have a single gay person in my circle of friends.
Statistically it is rare since only about 2% of people are homosexual.

Depending on what sort of social group you are in, it is quite possible not to have any gay friends.

Did you ever think that maybe gay people stay away from certain social groups?
Maybe me and my friends are not their type and so they stay away from us.


By the way - there is nothing wrong with having a "small" social group.
Some might say that a social group of 20 is "small" - but I for example -
- prefer quality of friendships over quantity of friendships

A lot of people are just naturally empty and superficial and so they seek quantity
because they fear developing any real relationships with people
and they need the large number of "friends" to validate their existence

[poedua]

Fair enough. This is just my opinion. I did state "personally," so you don't have to agree with my views. I do defend my opinion of having an outdated mindset of those who fear having the title gay in there children's school.

I ask the opinion of others to see where they stand on this; not to agree with me.

O.K.....I'll bite.

" fear " of what ?

What is there to be " fearful " about exactly ?

[poedua]

Attacked? So now choosing not to associate with someone because of a characteristic they can or cannot control is a vicious attack on them?

No...but I think it reflects poor character for anyone not to associate with someone SIMPLY because of a characteristic they cannot control...i.e one's race for example.


Problem is, you people throw around the "homophobe" label so much that is has really lost all meaning, much like race card. Most people have no problem with homosexual people having their rights and dignity, however, if someone prefers to associate only with heterosexuals, like themselves, then that is a preference and you need to respect their choices.

I can respect their right to make a choice ...but as far as the actual choice they end up making...I can support / endorse that choice OR criticize and ridicule that choice all day long if I want.

For example, I find that some one who makes a choice not to interact with any blacks - simply because of the fact they are black - as ludicrous.

Similarly, I find that some one who makes a choice not to interact with any homosexuals - simply because of the fact they are homosexual - as being ludicrous as well.

But that's just me.:D

[HandsomeRob]

I know quite a few people and I do not have a single gay person in my circle of friends.
Statistically it is rare since only about 2% of people are homosexual.

Depending on what sort of social group you are in, it is quite possible not to have any gay friends.

Did you ever think that maybe gay people stay away from certain social groups?
Maybe me and my friends are not their type and so they stay away from us.


By the way - there is nothing wrong with having a "small" social group.
Some might say that a social group of 20 is "small" - but I for example -
- prefer quality of friendships over quantity of friendships

A lot of people are just naturally empty and superficial and so they seek quantity
because they fear developing any real relationships with people
and they need the large number of "friends" to validate their existence

Never can tell, you may know several gay people and just not know it. I know several gay guys that are just ordinary people and don't need to "Come out and be proud of their sexuality". Could be the cashier at your grocery store, or your mailman or even your boss.

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I'm tired of excessive labeling & "communities". John was bullying Jack because Jack told on him for cheating on his mid term. John wedgied Jack & stuffed him in a locker. When I went to school (Which was not that long ago) that was the end of it. Now the gay community [which can represent anywhere from 1-100% of local gay folks plus 'activists', whomever is loudest] is outraged at John's insensitive oppressive homophobia obviously indoctrinated on him by his catholic republican parents.

Replace gay community with any number of special interest groups (Which is not synonymous with minority, tons of minorities with nothing to do with them and minority is a broader term than race) and you have modern 'progressiveness'.

I'm extremely intolerant of intolerance, everybody ought to be treated similar. I should like to think that I have no prejudices against anybody but discrimination is clearly in every aspect of our daily lives.

-You're not going to date somebody that shows up to dinner in a leisure suit or draped in velvet, immediately written off.
-When you're selecting a checkout line at the supermarket the older cashier is generally ignored because they are perceived as more slow.
-When selecting a RE Agent people under the age of 30 are generally ignored.
-When walking through a seedier neighborhood at night people dressed like gangsters are generally avoided even though they could be honor roll students.

We subconsciously make dozens of these decisions every single day. Discrimination is never going to go away no matter how many of these clubs exist. As a recent member of a HS community I'm extremely suspicious that groups like this even have anything to do with the student body. Where I went to school such things would have been started by a progressive teacher and membership made compulsory as part of their elective class. Parents being outraged and students being far more concerned about finding somebody to buy them beer, whether or not the parents are going to replace the broken iPhone and whether or not they can get Sally's shirt off next Friday night.

[zz000ter]

I can respect their right to make a choice ...but as far as the actual choice they end up making...I can support / endorse that choice OR criticize and ridicule that choice all day long if I want.

But that's just me.:D

In "your world" people are allowed to make their choices as free and independent beings
- but then you have the right to bully them if they do not make the "right choices" according to your set of values

[deep]

I'm still trying to figure out which group is offended by this.

[flashy_mcflash]

I don't need to respect your right to bully others. You don't have that right. If you want to be prejudiced in private, you're free to do so.

The Catholic board must change or they can lose the 33% of their funding that comes from my taxes.

[zz000ter]

The Catholic board must change or they can lose the 33% of their funding that comes from my taxes.

Would you say the same if it was Muslim of Jewish schools?

Maybe you can think of it this way - YOUR taxes are going to the Public school board

flashy_mcflash = one of the few people that hates Mother Teresa




Since being gay has become a political agenda, covered in rainbows of absurd hetero-phobia then it bugs be a little bit but not much. Don't really care what they do since they have ruined traditional marriage and have created an under world of negativity to these socialists. After all this is about s ex...so who gives a c rap what they do in there bedroom but leave it out of the moral choice of others instead of jamming it down my throat ( no pun intended..lol:D)

Yeah! I would give a THANKS if I could

[vero95]

how many kids attending public schools are sexually active? if not many, why are kids bombarded with all those issues?
I wish Dalton focused on the math tests results instead of this. the educational system in this province is not great at all even after spending all the money on teachers

[Think]

how many kids attending public schools are sexually active? if not many, why are kids bombarded with all those issues?
I wish Dalton focused on the math tests results instead of this. the educational system in this province is not great at all even after spending all the money on teachers

Because these older baby boomers have lost there sexual drive and most males in the political and educational work place that are aged 50+ have lost there mojo due to declining testosterone levels = feminine sensibilities instead of focusing on strong and powerful leadership based on there abilities instead of there sexual orientation and/or minority status and whatever else they can throw in....oh the best one - are you bilingual ? lol.:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Quote from M.I.B.

" Why are you here ? "
" Because we are the best of the best of the best...SIR ! "

Canada, land of mediocrity.

[oranr]

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