[Merged] Body parts being delivered to tory head office; Luka Rocco Magnotta

[Blockwork]

i was listening to 680 and heard something about a severed foot delivered to the tory head office and another body part just coming in

pretty creepy.. apparently it was sent using canada post. i thought they screened packages?

[Jucius Maximus]

Severed body parts?

Would probably be more effective to toss a few waffles (http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/nhl/mapleleafs/article/910794--waffles-fly-in-protest-as-leafs-losses-pile-up).

[NG]

i was listening to 640 and heard something about a severed foot delivered to the tory head office and another body part just coming in

pretty creepy.. apparently it was sent using canada post. i thought they screened packages?

Two outcomes I can see:

1) A random lone nut

2) Someone murdered a conservative and are mailing the parts back to them one by one.

Toronto Star article:
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1202364--package-sent-to-conservative-party-headquarters-contains-human-foot-report-says?bn=1

And it's being covered by The BBC:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18259050

If this is for political reasons it reminds me of when Conservative supporters were cutting the break lines of Toronto Liberals in previous elections.

[Kunman]

Severed body parts?

Would probably be more effective to toss a few waffles (http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/nhl/mapleleafs/article/910794--waffles-fly-in-protest-as-leafs-losses-pile-up).

phewwww....I just ate pizza and was ready to hurl....i thought those were blue waffles

[zz000ter]

It is Pierre Poutine

[Takami]

Severed body parts?

Would probably be more effective to toss a few waffles (http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/nhl/mapleleafs/article/910794--waffles-fly-in-protest-as-leafs-losses-pile-up).

I think this was sent to the PC Head Office and not the Toronto Mayor's Office.

[flashy_mcflash]

Something is clearly afoot.

Who is the alLEGged culprit?

[manmanny]

Severed body parts?

Would probably be more effective to toss a few waffles (http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/nhl/mapleleafs/article/910794--waffles-fly-in-protest-as-leafs-losses-pile-up).

Leaf fans now are tired off throwing waffles.

Did Canada Post employee got revenge?

[Blockwork]

Severed body parts?

Would probably be more effective to toss a few waffles (http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/nhl/mapleleafs/article/910794--waffles-fly-in-protest-as-leafs-losses-pile-up).

derailed the thread with the first reply... congrats.. did you read the new rules?


Two outcomes I can see:

1) A random lone nut

2) Someone murdered a conservative and are mailing the parts back to them one by one.

Toronto Star article:
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1202364--package-sent-to-conservative-party-headquarters-contains-human-foot-report-says?bn=1

And it's being covered by The BBC:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18259050

If this is for political reasons it reminds me of when Conservative supporters were cutting the break lines of Toronto Liberals in previous elections.

number 2 is exactly what i was thinking. seems like something out of a movie

[Ottomaddox]

Whoever did this is clearly mixed up.

Conservatives don't need feet, they need hearts...

(Hopefully someone will send the Ontario liberals a brain)

[sedated_xtc]

Now, my question is...was the foot severed post-mortem...?

[flashy_mcflash]

I'm frankly surprised that Vic Toews managed to remove it from his mouth.

[qaz393]

i dont care about politics.....

[Drew87]

This case is intriguing because besides the two body parts that were delivered to the Tory HQ's the police also found a torso in Montreal. The torso was in a pile of garbage bags.....I wonder if they're all connected.


The first thought that came into my head when I heard this story is the saying " It's going to cost me an arm and a leg to be able to afford ______ "

The second thought was the tv show Dexter.....

[Simaahoy]

Well, that means there's a murder out there in the streets

[D-Roc]

I wouldn't worry about it. Someone was just looking to get their foot in the door. :razz:

[Blockwork]

I wouldn't worry about it. Someone was just looking to get their foot in the door. :razz:

LOL cmon man

[flashy_mcflash]

Why toe serious, Blockwork?

[NG]

LOL cmon man

I agree. Even in the comment sections of news sites people are making all sorts of puns. I'm all for crass humour but, until the reason why this happened is at least know, I'm not sure why people think this is so funny.

At the very least:


There's a crazy person out there like that guy who cut off the head of that guy on the Greyhound bus

Or, at the very most, if this does have anti-conservative political motivation it's a continuing sign of the balkanization of our political process fostered lately.

[mrcantrell]

Sounds like an episode of CSI... all we need is a cop in sunglasses to make the pun while he removes them and we're 1/2 way there. Perhaps too many of these crime drama TV shows and movies have finally desensitized us?

[JAC]

http://karolinagames.com/horatio/images/892bce52f969.jpg

[Simaahoy]

The suspect was named, and disturbing things come up if you google the persons name.:facepalm:


http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Suspect%20identified%20in%20Montreal%20torso%20cas e%20that%20may%20be%20linked%20to%20Ottawa%20body% 20parts/6701005/story.html

[D-Roc]

I agree. Even in the comment sections of news sites people are making all sorts of puns. I'm all for crass humour but, until the reason why this happened is at least know, I'm not sure why people think this is so funny.

At the very least:


There's a crazy person out there like that guy who cut off the head of that guy on the Greyhound bus

Or, at the very most, if this does have anti-conservative political motivation it's a continuing sign of the balkanization of our political process fostered by Harper.



Best way to cope is to make light of this situation and please refrain from adding personal, political comments. As per the new rules that you agreed to, Polictical discussion is not allowed. I do not want to see this thread locked because of you.

[divx]

lots protests going on these days, they sure getting out of hand

[NG]

As per the new rules that you agreed to, Polictical discussion is not allowed. I do not want to see this thread locked because of you.

Your post made me check the stickies and I did see the update rules thread "OT Guidelines - updated May 28, 2012".

Hadn't realized it was altered so there's literally zero politics discussion now.

I believe I altered my OP to be in accordance with the new policy.

[NG]

The suspect was named, and disturbing things come up if you google the persons name.:facepalm:[/url]

Yeah...sounds like it's shaping up as another alleged wacked out psycho.



OTTAWA — Police have identified a suspect wanted in connection with the discovery of a man’s torso found stuffed in a suitcase in Montreal whose hand and foot were mailed to Ottawa as Luka Rocco Magnotta.
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Suspect%20identified%20in%20Montreal%20torso%20cas e%20that%20may%20be%20linked%20to%20Ottawa%20body% 20parts/6701005/story.html



Luka Magnotta is a Canadian model and bisexual pornstar who has been in the news for two separate incidents. He is known for allegedly dating serial killer Karla Homolka (which he completely denies), and for suffocating two kittens on YouTube.

Homolka is best known for killing three schoolgirls and getting out within 12 years after testifying against her husband. Magnotta claims to have never met her and has claimed to have lost both sleep and his dog over the incident.

The kitten killing video is what has really angered the internet. Animal rights websites as well as 4chan have jumped on the model. $5000 was raised as reward money to whoever could identify the man in the kitten video.
http://ohinternet.com/Luka_Rocco_Magnotta

If this pans out as being the guy I'll feel bad for all the other bisexual male porn stars out there who are fine, upstanding members of the community.

[manmanny]

http://karolinagames.com/horatio/images/892bce52f969.jpg

http://forums.redflagdeals.com/images/icons/new/smilies/thread-cool-32.png

[NG]

number 2 is exactly what i was thinking. seems like something out of a movie

You know I was kinda hoping this was for some sort of ideological reason since, at least then, we'd be able to put some logic and reasoning into the act.

Instead, since it appears to be number 1, it's baffling how someone could be that wacked in the head to do something like this 'just because'.

[kabza]

the sick bastard recorded the heinous deed and posted it to the net. "1 lunatic 1 ice pick" in google but be warned you can't unsee what you see. the internet had this guy named last week and the police are still playing catchup.

[motto1997]

the sick bastard recorded the heinous deed and posted it to the net. "1 lunatic 1 ice pick" in google but be warned you can't unsee what you see. the internet had this guy named last week and the police are still playing catchup.

Yes unfortunately I watched this video 2 days ago and can't get it out of my mind as well. The victim was an asian guy. This guy needs to be tied to 4 horses and ripped apart.

[NG]

the sick bastard recorded the heinous deed and posted it to the net. "1 lunatic 1 ice pick" in google but be warned you can't unsee what you see. the internet had this guy named last week and the police are still playing catchup.

Geez...I didn't click the link but according to the Google results the video is on Youtube right now.

And you're right about the internet knowing about this for awhile. The first page of Google had this 100+ post thread over on the Bodybuilding forum:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=145174911&page=1


If this is real and connected with the alleged killer combined with the Conservative HQ thing this guy is going to smear Canada all over the world news.

[sedated_xtc]

The hell?? So some guy was butchered on a video that was posted online with a bunch of people commenting on this but nobody thought to report it somehow?

talk about desensitized, society.

[kabza]

Geez...I didn't click the link but according to the Google results the video is on Youtube right now.

And you're right about the internet knowing about this for awhile. The first page of Google had this 100+ post thread over on the Bodybuilding forum:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=145174911&page=1


If this is real and connected with the alleged killer combined with the Conservative HQ thing this guy is going to smear Canada all over the world news.

He also posted many videos of himself killing cats. You don't just go to chopping up humans and defiling them overnight. The police failed the public by not apprehending him when he posted the cat videos.

[motto1997]

The hell?? So some guy was butchered on a video that was posted online with a bunch of people commenting on this but nobody thought to report it somehow?

talk about desensitized, society.

They did report it but I think majority of people contacted the FBI. Either way while they were online talking, the body parts were being discovered.

[sedated_xtc]

They did report it but I think majority of people contacted the FBI. Either way while they were online talking, the body parts were being discovered.

I'm surprised it didn't get any attention in the media then. Whenever these kind of videos go viral on the internet, it always freaks me out and makes me feel like this if there's ever a snuff film section on netflix or something people won't care

[NG]

He also posted many videos of himself killing cats. You don't just go to chopping up humans and defiling them overnight. The police failed the public by not apprehending him when he posted the cat videos.

I agree but I wouldn't entirely blame the police. Even before the cat killing videos some red flags should have gone off somewhere.

Many have said before that the mental health system across North America is severely lacking.

Even before he got to the point of killing cats on camera there has to be a way to identify the psychos in society and deal with the problem before it gets to this point.

[no_username]

According to the Globe and Mail, the other packaged was addressed to the Liberal Party. Source: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/montreal-police-link-torso-found-in-trash-body-parts-sent-to-ottawa/article2447319/

What about the victim? No one has come forward about a missing person? That is sad, being killed and no one noticing.

[NG]

I'm surprised it didn't get any attention in the media then. Whenever these kind of videos go viral on the internet, it always freaks me out and makes me feel like this if there's ever a snuff film section on netflix or something people won't care

I'm shocked Google still showed a Youtube result for the video. When ppl said here that the video was online I figured it'd have to be on a torrent site or one of those other embedded video sites that'd host stuff like the Budd Dwyer video.

[ji2o0k]

Lets not get ahead of ourselves here...

The police are investigating and close to nailing the suspect....just a matter of time...

[NG]

Yes unfortunately I watched this video 2 days ago and can't get it out of my mind as well. The victim was an asian guy. This guy needs to be tied to 4 horses and ripped apart.

According to the G&M article linked above the victim was a white white guy:


The identity of the victim has not been made public, although he said it was a white male.

Perhaps the video was a fake horror movie by somebody else and not connected?

[sedated_xtc]

this guy is going to smear Canada all over the world news.

I dunno, does Canadian news ever get spotlight space on world news headlines?

[NG]

I dunno, does Canadian news ever get spotlight space on world news headlines?

Well even the foot being mailed to Conservative HQ got story results via Google News from the Washington Post, USA Today and the BBC.

If that video was actually the murder and people have been watching it all over the world on Youtube this past week I could see there being interest.

[Kunman]

i read the video summary and now im gaging...**************

This is disgustin, makes me sick that this kind of people are out there on the streets...

on another note,

Gay guy vs Zombie man....which one will get more famous?

[the_fm]

Perhaps the video was a fake horror movie by somebody else and not connected?

doubtful that it is fake. having a fake body of such quality is almost impossible and it would cost a lot

[45ED]

i read the video summary and now im gaging...its a gay guy butchering a corps while including a dog, body parts, and necrophilia.

This is disgustin, makes me sick that this kind of people are out there on the streets...

on another note,

Gay guy vs Zombie man....which one will get more famous?

Body Parts Guy, due to recentness and still-in-the-news-ness. The Zombie Man case is in the aftermath portion of "trying to understand" what the hell happened. Body Parts Guy is still on the loose.

[dibksbgon]

All I can say is what the ****.
This is so messed up.
Why did I go and Google it... Sigh. I feel like vomiting. Not so much as the video (ok yes at the video) but also at the fact this was posted a couple of weeks ago and no one reported it. Heck in this day and age something with that many comments and views probably should have been on some law agencies radar.

Side note, this will really make American Psycho get blamed :( My favourite book and movie.

[Simaahoy]

This really freaked me out, that he could be anywhere in the region/Canada.

[kabza]

This really freaked me out, that he could be anywhere in the region/Canada.

keep your ###dar on high alert you should be ok.

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/thumb/c/c9/LUKA_MAGNOTTA_0.jpg/180px-LUKA_MAGNOTTA_0.jpg

[Simaahoy]

As a woman, I can tell you no girl would want that. This creature shouldn't be on the streets.

[45ED]

keep your radar on high alert you should be ok.

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/thumb/c/c9/LUKA_MAGNOTTA_0.jpg/180px-LUKA_MAGNOTTA_0.jpg

Various articles says he's bi.

[LordofthePing]

Disgusting freak.

Reading about the stuff he's done makes you feel terrible. :-(

Also, its hard to believe that some people enjoy visiting sites like Best Gore.

[Simaahoy]

Various articles says he's bi.

A rumor is going around that he is married to Holmolka and has a kid with her.:facepalm:

Canada needs to bring the death penalty back.

[Kunman]

for yall ladies who love serial killers

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001804208357

[qaz393]

my facebook is not working

[Simaahoy]

for yall ladies who love serial killers

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001804208357

Sign up for Facebook to become friends with Luka Rocco Magnotta

um..no thanks facebook....http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-scared007.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-scared007.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

[NG]

keep your radar on high alert you should be ok.

Last edited by CSK'sMom; May 30th, 2012 at 05:02 PM. Reason: removed deragatory slur

Thank you!

[NG]

Canada needs to bring the death penalty back.

How about a real mental health system to help stop something like this from happening before it starts?

As mentioned earlier the moment that cat killing video became known cops should have been knocking on his door to take him to be examined at the funny farm.

[CSK'sMom]

Thank you!

You're Welcome. That is exactly the kind of derogatory slurs that will no longer be tolerated in any way. Those users that get edited should regard that edit as a warning (per RFD's Community Policies!) and the next time it happens they will get a temp ban.

[qaz393]

Sign up for Facebook to become friends with Luka Rocco Magnotta

um..no thanks facebook....http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-scared007.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-scared007.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

just googled that name and saw the news article with the link to the web site. dont want to click on it....

[CSK'sMom]

How about a real mental health system to help stop something like this from happening before it starts?

As mentioned earlier the moment that cat killing video became known cops should have been knocking on his door to take him to be examined at the funny farm.

Makes on wonder doesn't it? Between really lax animal cruelty laws and substandard to non-existent mental health services in this country, it's a wonder we don't hear about more incidents like this.

[Simaahoy]

How about a real mental health system to help stop something like this from happening before it starts?

As mentioned earlier the moment that cat killing video became known cops should have been knocking on his door to take him to be examined at the funny farm.

Agreed, I wonder why police never did anything and never followed up with the complaints? and now a human life was lost here.

[wachidarin]

I saw some pictures of the apartment where he did the alleged killings - was featured on Montreal news and I can't believe I watched that gruesome videos, but it looks the same.
What a twisted person. And no way is that video fake. Can't believe he took the time to edit the video and add music though, that's just awful.

[D-Roc]

Every video link for this when googled just shows a still shot of him. Looks like it has been removed.

[SCEvan]

Every video link for this when googled just shows a still shot of him. Looks like it has been removed.

It's still out there, really nasty stuff.

[gamer123]

its on 4shared.com, and i regret watching it...

and who knows, maybe this guy is a tranny now.

[qaz393]

its on 4shared.com, and i regret watching it...

and who knows, maybe this guy is a tranny now.

reminds me of seeing about sky burials. i didnt wach the video thank god

[162]

I'm so relieved, i was really starting to believe that foot came from Muclair's mouth.

[nagasadow]

I'm so relieved, i was really starting to believe that foot came from Muclair's mouth.

lol too soon


The vid is also on theync still. WTF though is with editing it with music and ****. I hope someone beats this bastard good

[MasterXan]

I am reading a thread over at Ogrish and it seems the internet knows more about this case than the police do. for sure that vid was a real snuff film.

[ddp]

Protests, overnight questionable laws, record heat, floods a tornado, pots and pans, now a deranged killer- what do you have as in encore
In June Montreal

[MasterXan]

new stuff i found (which was dug up by someone else)

Luka talks about how to "disappear completely"


Luka Magnotta said he was tired of the constant harassment so he is leaving the country and not returning.
How To Disappear Completely And Never Be Found
A Step-By-Step Guide To Leaving Your Old Life Behind
When making the decision to disappear, it is very important to understand that this is not a process that can be successfully accomplished overnight. For best results under normal circumstances, a minimum of four months is really necessary to successfully carry out the heroic actions necessary to leave your old life behind. This is certainly not an undertaking to be entered into lightly - be completely sure of yourself before you commit to this.
Destination
The first thing to do upon deciding to carry out this transformation is to determine where you plan to go. Your city of previous personal preference may not be the best choice if you have spoken to others about your love for it. Your destination should be outside of your current province/state. Do some research on it, figure out what you will do when you get there. Most importantly, decide on it and stick with this decision.
Once you have chosen a destination, you are ready to proceed with your disappearance. The first three steps should be accomplished simultaneously over the course of four months.
Step One
Cut personal ties with everyone who knows you. Drop out of every group, organization, social circle, bingo table and car pool that you are a part of. The most important thing to remember here is to accomplish this slowly: pull out too abruptly and your friends and associates will become immediately suspicious. Carrying out this step should require several months of missed meetings and unreturned phone calls. Build your absence up gradually until you no longer do anything with the people who knew you.
Step Two
Liquidate all your assets. Divest yourself of all stocks, property and possessions, except for a week's worth of clothes and other necessities (please note: a desktop computer is NOT a necessity). Sell your house if you are single and own one. Your house should be the last thing to be sold. Please note that if you are married, do not attempt to sell anything that is your spouse's or is jointly owned. This may mean that you won't be able to sell the house, but this can't be helped. Selling things that aren't totally yours brings all sorts of nasty consequences that will dog your disappearance, such as law enforcement and private investigators. They should be avoided at all costs. Get cash for everything you sell, and withdraw everything from your bank account, waiting as long as possible before actually closing it. Be very critical when deciding what to keep: everything has to fit into a suitcase (or two at the very most) by the time you leave, so keep only what is absolutely necessary. All these sales should close within as small a timeframe as possible; having them all close on the same day would be perfect but unlikely. Finally, do not sell your car, as you will need it for the early stages of your physical disappearance.
Step Three
Acquire false identification. While this isn't listed until step three, this really should be the first thing you do. Do not leave this until late in the process, as it will require a substantial length of time to acquire GOOD forgeries. These will be fairly expensive, but the cost and resulting quality is absolutely essential. A twenty dollar driver's license bought downtown is just not going to cut it. You will need a driver's license, a valid social security number, and a birth certificate. In some countries, you may need other pieces of identification, such as health cards. You will need two sets, two separate identities. By the time you have completed the two steps above, you should have your two new identities, the first of which should reside in a neighbouring city / county to your present home.
Step Four
Sell your car to the first of your fake identities. To achieve this, you need to open a post office box in the name of this false identity in their home city/county. Register the car with the DMV in this county, and get insurance. The rates are not a concern, as you will not be paying them.
Step Five
In the week before your departure, you should make a point of seeing each of your good friends once. When asked about where you've been, answer vaguely but reassuringly. This should be sufficient to keep them from becoming overly concerned about your absence for at least a couple of weeks. Once the last sale of your previous property has closed, destroy all your current identification. This means thoroughly burning it. Place in your wallet the identification that you registered your car with, along with one hundred dollars of your cash. Place the rest of your cash in a briefcase or other suitable container. Load your remaining belongings into your car. Now back out of your garage and DRIVE.
Step Six
Sell your car in a different state/province, using the identification under which you registered it. Choosing a near opposite path to the one you will eventually take to your chosen destination will help throw off anyone who decides to attempt to follow your footsteps. Now get rid of this set of identification (once again, fire will do the trick). Place your second set of identification in your wallet. There is now nothing to tie you to your old life. Get on a bus and ride it to your destination. Do not fly there directly, as airlines keep much more thorough records than bus lines. If flying is essential (your eventual destination happens to be a Carribean island) then take a bus somewhere else first. Carry your briefcase of money with you at all times. Do not put it in a luggage compartment or leave it unattended anywhere. This is your future life. Have this stolen, and you'll have disappeared, sure, but you'll be begging on the street instead of living it up in your new condo.



Read more: http://digitaljournal.com/blog/2957#ixzz1wPnP0qQf

[Kunman]

reminds me of seeing about sky burials. i didnt wach the video thank god

hey did you go to tibet? i saw on when i was there :/

[qaz393]

new stuff i found (which was dug up by someone else)

Luka talks about how to "disappear completely"




Read more: http://digitaljournal.com/blog/2957#ixzz1wPnP0qQf

Did they find him yet? It would be easy to trace who he sold his car to lol

[no_username]

How about a real mental health system to help stop something like this from happening before it starts?

As mentioned earlier the moment that cat killing video became known cops should have been knocking on his door to take him to be examined at the funny farm.

The police should have taken the cat killing videos seriously. 4Chan and the Internet Vigilante Justice Squad probably did their best in identifying the guy, but the police probably get so many of these cases - probably both fake and real, that they don't spend the time to investigate, or they couldn't get enough credible evidence.

In hindsight, the guy even left a creepy internet trail - I read that he had a blog professing he was a serial killer. So it makes this more difficult to understand.

Unfortunately, in this case, I don't think the suspect had any family, friends or colleagues that cared enough about him to direct him to get help. That left strangers on the internet - however I don't think that the people that visit snuff film sites, etc, are interested in helping.

[Muney]

How about a real mental health system to help stop something like this from happening before it starts?

As mentioned earlier the moment that cat killing video became known cops should have been knocking on his door to take him to be examined at the funny farm.

How about both. When the liberal way of helping people out with the mental heath system fails, we do it the conservative way and kill the people.

[rsasp]

Saw this on the news. Pretty disgusting. Chopping people up then mail it? What's wrong with people....jeez

[Drew87]

Their are reports out their now that he may have fled to Europe and that he apparently mailed a letter in the bags with the body parts saying that more was on the way...

[the_fm]

Saw this on the news. Pretty disgusting. Chopping people up then mail it? What's wrong with people....jeez

the guy wants fame, he's getting it

[uber_shnitz]

One of the websites is still hosting the video the guy made of him ***********. Despite pressure from the police (backed by the FBI and Interpol), the Edmonton man hosting the website "Best Gore" refuses to take the video down as it is within his legal right to keep it uploaded.

[45ED]

Do you agree that the guy doesn't seem to react when he's getting stabbed?
Was he dead already or passed out / unconscious?

=

Or drugged.

[D-Roc]

Do you agree that the guy doesn't seem to react when he's getting stabbed?
Was he dead already or passed out / unconscious?

=

I believe the victim was already dead at that point. There was very little blood coming out which, to me, seems to indicate there was already substancial blood loss.

[BongoBong]

I honestly don't know how or why people watch a video like this, knowing basically whats in it.

[sedated_xtc]

I honestly don't know how or why people watch a video like this, knowing basically whats in it.


The hell?? So some guy was butchered on a video that was posted online with a bunch of people commenting on this but nobody thought to report it somehow?

talk about desensitized, society.
:confused:

[UrbanPoet]

One of the websites is still hosting the video the guy made of him killing, decapitating, raping and cannibalising another man. Despite pressure from the police (backed by the FBI and Interpol), the Edmonton man hosting the website "Best Gore" refuses to take the video down as it is within his legal right to keep it uploaded.

Holy crap...
I always thought snuff films were illegal.

[blainehamilton]

This guy has taken the term 'sicko' to a whole new level.

Doesn't matter if he fled the country. Doesn't matter if he tries to change his appearance. World governments will likely persue him to the edge of the earth...

[UrbanPoet]

How about a real mental health system to help stop something like this from happening before it starts?

As mentioned earlier the moment that cat killing video became known cops should have been knocking on his door to take him to be examined at the funny farm.

Once in a while there are very devious and intelligent murderers who do such crimes. I can imagine people like this easily slipping through the radar their entire lives because they're 'good looking, charming, and so nice...'.

The real 'crazies' seem to be more at danger to themselves. At least from my experience of working with them daily. Some of them are forced medication by court order. :-0

I think it takes something else for these murderous rampages to happen.

[uber_shnitz]

Apparently the website's host wanted to report it but he said he had no proof that the video was real and word had gotten to him that it was a prank (he thought it was someone working at a morgue with a sick sense of humor). He also claimed last time he filed a report for one of the videos he uploaded, no action was taken.

His defense is [paraphrasing] "taking away the video won't change the act that transpired. If anything, it will show people how disgusting and real things can be. I'ev had calls about my car crash videos of people saying they'd drive slower."

The most disgusting part (from what I read of the video) si that it's edited. That means the guy didn't just film it, he took the time to edit and remix it like if it was a youtube song video....

[mjl_toronto]

The story of this sick mofo really enrages me. People like him make a good argument for public torture/execution.
I don't want to view the video, description of the kitten vids were bad enough for me.
Anyone know which internet community seems to have the most information for hunting this sicko down?
I hope he doesn't ever escalate this to abducting baby/children and performing similar atrocities to them like he did when toyed with the kittens.

[Diafel]

A serious issue is that the police apparently didn't follow up on the kitten killing videos. If you look at photo comparisons of Magnotta and his things and the videos, it is quite clear he was responsible. The comparisons would probably be enough to convict in a court of law.

[steve-0101]

Apparently the video the guy had showed the victim alive at the beginning...

NSFL (in white font, so highlight if you want ot see this)



To the mods and admins:

You say you want a PG site. You censor out words like idiot and moron but posts like this stand? Oranr edited it and removed a URL but left all of this information intact. I'm a grown man and reading this makes me sick. I feel sorry for anyone that you're trying to protect with your censorship that comes along and had to read this disgusting summary of a snuff film. Talking about politics or religion is off limits but it's ok to describe someone cutting off a dead man's arm and masturbating with it. How about using some common sense?

Shame on you.

[divx]

seems like an insane person running amack, although he is sane enough to hide from the police, what a contradiction...

[blainehamilton]

To the mods and admins:

You say you want a PG site. You censor out words like idiot and moron but posts like this stand? Oranr edited it and removed a URL but left all of this information intact. I'm a grown man and reading this makes me sick. I feel sorry for anyone that you're trying to protect with your censorship that comes along and had to read this disgusting summary of a snuff film. Talking about politics or religion is off limits but it's ok to describe someone cutting off a dead man's arm and masturbating with it. How about using some common sense?

Shame on you.


Shame on RFD for requiring he it's members to go elsewhere for intelligent and insightful coversation on politics and religion.

And shame on the trollish members abusing the lack of moderation to wreck havoc on the past conversations here.

[divx]

Shame on RFD for requiring he it's members to go elsewhere for intelligent and insightful coversation on politics and religion.

And shame on the trollish members abusing the lack of moderation to wreck havoc on the past conversations here.

Don't worry about it, all that will come to an end when I get to swing the ban stick.

[blainehamilton]

The story of this sick mofo really enrages me. People like him make a good argument for public torture/execution.
I don't want to view the video, description of the kitten vids were bad enough for me.
Anyone know which internet community seems to have the most information for hunting this sicko down?
I hope he doesn't ever escalate this to abducting baby/children and performing similar atrocities to them like he did when toyed with the kittens.


I have an eerie feeling this wasn't this guy's first killing of a human either. It almost seems like a cry for attention in the worst way. Usually stories like these have a long ugly history behind them, and I mean more than just other kittens.

Bernadro and Homolka were suspected of other crimes, especially Paul, who had a scary history of suspected and convicted attacks before they graduated to murder.

[habs77]

I have an eerie feeling this wasn't this guy's first killing of a human either. It almost seems like a cry for attention in the worst way. Usually stories like these have a long ugly history behind them, and I mean more than just other kittens.

Bernadro and Homolka were suspected of other crimes, especially Paul, who had a scary history of suspected and convicted attacks before they graduated to murder.

I felt exactly the same way. This guy, Karla, Bernardo, Russell Williams - such sick depravity. Someone just doesn't do this stuff overnight - this stuff takes place over time.

Just hope they can catch him.

[motto1997]

Roger Renville, a U.S. civil litigation lawyer, told CBC News Thursday that he had come across the 10½-minute video Saturday morning on a website that showcases gory videos. The video appears to depict a killing and dismemberment of a man, said Renville.
"What I saw in that video exceeds your worst nightmare. It's Jeffrey Dahmer-esque," he said.
Renville then began a series of calls to a number of law enforcement agencies in Canada and the United States over the next three days, starting with his local sheriff's office. Most agencies — with the exception of the RCMP in Ottawa — were not especially keen on finding out more about the video, said Renville.
By Sunday at around noon mountain time, he called Toronto police and told them he had seen a video that he believed depicted the killing of a man and that he believed that the apparent killer was from Toronto.
"The officer was very skeptical. He seemed like he didn't even want to talk at first, but we got to talking a little bit and he suggested that whatever I was seeing must be fake. And he suggested that special effects are pretty good these days and it'd be hard to tell if it was real or not," said Renville.
"He told me that my story didn't even make sense. Why would a killer film himself and then put it on the internet? He said, 'That doesn't make sense, that's illogical.'"
Renville persisted, and asked the officer to provide him an email address so that police could view the video themselves.
"He said no, they wouldn't be needing a link and he declined to give me an email address."

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/toronto-police-accused-ignoring-body-parts-case-tip-172249706.html

[Drew87]

Got this off of twitter

"CTV News is reporting that Luka Rocco Magnotta has been charged with second-degree murder and indignity to a human body. Victim not named."

[NG]

Once in a while there are very devious and intelligent murderers who do such crimes. I can imagine people like this easily slipping through the radar their entire lives because they're 'good looking, charming, and so nice...'.

The real 'crazies' seem to be more at danger to themselves. At least from my experience of working with them daily. Some of them are forced medication by court order. :-0

I think it takes something else for these murderous rampages to happen.

So you say you work with the mentally ill but you wouldn't support better access to mental health treatment? Ummm...that's an...interesting position.... ***********************

I mean c'mon the guy was posting videos of torturing cats on the internet and people knew (and reported to the authorities) that it was him!

If something like THAT doesn't get two orderlies from the funny farm to come knocking on your door to take you down for a psych exam then something is clearly wrong with the system.

Just think about all the people out there who think about doing stuff like that - if we lived in a responsible society there'd be no only an easy way for them to show up at the doctors and self refer for treatment but also promotional campaigns topeople on the edge that are just slowly degrading away until they snap and start to take revenge on their enemies/society etc.

[qaz393]

so he has been caught?

[MrKap]

Great so Canada is the Butt of the joke again.

I don't know where the Beef is with this video.


Anyways, I knew this guy in high school which would make me watch these sick videos. They were long and drawn out. After watching it in full, he would ask me if I saw it.

"Did you see it, Did you see it?"

Turns out he was doing really vugar and nasty things in areas of the screen where your eye was not directed to. One time he put his weiner in a hot dog and covered it with mustard and ketchup like it was a real hotdog.

There are very sick people out there indeed.

[NG]

Shame on RFD for requiring he it's members to go elsewhere for intelligent and insightful coversation on politics and religion.

And shame on the trollish members abusing the lack of moderation to wreck havoc on the past conversations here.

I've been on record with Onrar that I believe the PG policy for RFD is a bad financial decision for YPG as well as at odds with the company itself since their phone books have had listings for strip clubs, massage palours etc for years however I agree with the no politics policy.

YPG is an information company but not an opinion company. They're not The Toronto Sun/Star - they're the phone book company.

If YPG wanted anything to do with politics they'd be better off buying that MP "how'd they vote" site (or whatever it's called). It's all information and no opinion.

[MrKap]

I've been on record with Onrar that I believe the PG policy for RFD is a bad financial decision for YPG as well as at odds with the company itself since their phone books have had listings for strip clubs, massage palours etc for years however I agree with the no politics policy.

YPG is an information company but not an opinion company. They're not The Toronto Sun/Star - they're the phone book company.

If YPG wanted anything to do with politics they'd be better off buying that MP "how'd they vote" site (or whatever it's called). It's all information and no opinion.


Not really, people generally are used to censorship, and accustomed to killing and murder through the action film, more-so than nudity. jmo...


I have to ask myself if you NG, are religious by nature due to the belief that a political opinion is not tolerable.

[NG]

Not really, people generally are used to censorship, and accustomed to killing and murder through the action film, more-so than nudity. jmo...

I wasn't talking nudity per se - more the profanity filter which is much looser on other sites (or non-existent).



I have to ask myself if you NG, are religious by nature due to the belief that a political opinion is not tolerable.

Actually I'm a devout secularist who has a pretty big beef with religion generally. My support of RFD/YPG banning political discussion is that it creates a side show freak show that creates hostility on the site and that it's totally not related to the purpose of the site YPG bought - shopping and shopping discussion.

It's one thing when there's secondary talk like the Home and Garden forum or whatever since that's pretty mundane but why would YPG waste time and resources on something that both creates hostility and doesn't add to the financial well being of the property they own?

My view on profanity etc is, again, based in my view that it would be financially beneficial to the bottom line of the site to adopt a more liberal policy on content since this is the internet and the internet (taken as a whole) is R rated.

Just the fact that a major corporation like Google hosts millions of videos on Youtube which would (and have) resulted in users getting warnings for posting them here says something IMO.

I'm an NC-17 guy myself so I certainly would never think/expect the censorship policy on RFD to be loosened to the degree where I could say or post anything (Best boobs thread anyone? ;) ) but I'd still contend that RFD is more bland than other, even corporate, internet sites.

[Nakuruin]

The story of this sick mofo really enrages me. People like him make a good argument for public torture/execution.
I don't want to view the video, description of the kitten vids were bad enough for me.
Anyone know which internet community seems to have the most information for hunting this sicko down?
I hope he doesn't ever escalate this to abducting baby/children and performing similar atrocities to them like he did when toyed with the kittens.

that bodybuilding forum! seriously, they have a large misc section and they reached 9 pages of discussion on that guy and identified him before he started sending body parts. it seems like nothing has been done about him until he sent the foot to the conservative HQ but the discussion on the page suggests he has fled to europe! be warned though, they link to some disturbing sites (like a forum for people with anti-social disorders and gore sites...)

i'm surprised he became so notorious on the internet but no authorities have investigated him. he was killing cats and recording it ffs! surely that's some kinda precursor to becoming a full fledged serial killer.

[MrKap]

I'm an NC-17 guy myself so I certainly would never think/expect the censorship policy on RFD to be loosened to the degree where I could say or post anything (Best boobs thread anyone? ;) ) but I'd still contend that RFD is more bland than other, even corporate, internet sites.

Really? Because as a whole I find RFD to be incredibly tolerable compared to most websites with a commercial interest. Censoring a word is no big deal, jmo...

I mean without swear words, it might add a level of class, to the conversation, in some instances, or a level of sophistication, where-as on many commercial interest websites, criticisms, snide, off-kilter, or otherwise humorous comments are simply not tolerated.

If you ask me, the damage isn't so much with the censorship, the damage is done when either boat loads of people start getting banned for questionable reasons, or when conversations degrade into rambling, incoherent ego fights. I can't actually remember political conversations degrading into that on these forums, not when conservatives, or liberals are the subject, anyways. I thought they were banned on this forum, because political campaigning is comparable to advertising.


The video in question, is reasonably not appropriate for day time television, but for the most part the internet is 24/7, especially on forums.



that bodybuilding forum! seriously, they have a large misc section and they reached 9 pages of discussion on that guy and identified him before he started sending body parts.

Aren't we on page 8?


In any event, I would like to ask a serious question and I am not asking for this to be removed, as I don't care... but how can this thread contain a picture of a drugged out teenage male prostitute in speedos, yet a wendy's commercial from 1984 is not allowed?

[CSK'sMom]

Look MrKap... quite frankly the videos you posted were in particularly bad taste in the context of this subject matter.... it was also irrelevant to the discussion at hand, per the mod that deleted them. Above all else in this discussion, this was a living, breathing human being and deserves some common decency. I can guarantee if it was your family member that was the victim, you would be outraged with the crass insensitivity of what you posted. Please remember to treat everyone with respect on these forums, per the Community Policies document posted at the top of each forum. ;)

The picture of the suspect has remained as it's not against Community Policies and actually has a chance (as remote as it is) to do some good. The more people that see pics of this guy, the greater the chance that he will be apprehended.

[NG]

Really? Because as a whole I find RFD to be incredibly tolerable compared to most websites with a commercial interest. Censoring a word is no big deal, jmo...

No offense but if you're fine with censoring words then I could see why you'd think the policy is tolerable. There are even words here that are censored that a major commercial player like Amazon doesn't censor.

Thankfully this is the internet so it's not like there's a limited number of radio/tv stations in a city and there's a bevy of other sites out there (and many more that could open up at any time) for those into a more censor free enviroment to spend their time on.



The video in question, is reasonably not appropriate for day time television, but for the most part the internet is 24/7, especially on forums.

The video? The murder video by that Dexter like psycho being discussed here? That video doesn't belong anywhere other than a for police/courts to examine to try to stop things like this in the future.

However there are words censored on RFD that I've heard said on prime time TV - and OTA TV at that! When RFD is more bland than a show on City TV it's not a tough decision how to spend my time.

[MrKap]

Look MrKap... quite frankly the videos you posted were in particularly bad taste in the context of this subject matter.... it was also irrelevant to the discussion at hand, per the mod that deleted them. Above all else in this discussion, this was a living, breathing human being and deserves some common decency. I can guarantee if it was your family member that was the victim, you would be outraged with the crass insensitivity of what you posted. Please remember to treat everyone with respect on these forums, per the Community Policies document posted at the top of each forum. ;)

The picture of the suspect has remained as it's not against Community Policies and actually has a chance (as remote as it is) to do some good. The more people that see pics of this guy, the greater the chance that he will be apprehended.

I understand and respect that. However, it wasn't really in bad taste, I certainly don't think it was, infact I thought it was enlightening in a tactful way, and I know you were not the mod to remove it, which I respect. I am not asking for it to be re-instated or to go against what is in the best interests of the forum as a whole.

Seeing the video again, I guess the sexual undertones of the actors in the wendies commercial could be highly offensive to those who related it to the butchering video. I am not entirely sure why it was removed to be perfectly honest.

In any event, I understand that it was removed, and I have no problem with it being removed. It's definitely interesting that something taken so seriously cannot be considered too graphic or controversial, but something that might be considered humorous and enlightening at the same time is not considered allowable.

That's all. It's just an observation. Not a complaint.

[nosnoop]

How about a real mental health system to help stop something like this from happening before it starts?

I am not sure if any mental health system can help someone like this.
They are not mentally ill in the traditional sense like somebody with depression or schizophrenia.

These are calculated and often intelligent murderers. They choose to do with their own free will. And they can look pretty "normal" in their usual daily lives.
What more can you do to these people apart from locking them up? And in our society, we cannot do that until a crime has been committed, unfortunately.

[MrKap]

I am not sure if any mental health system can help someone like this.
They are not mentally ill in the traditional sense like somebody with depression or schizophrenia.

Sure they do have mental health systems which can help with human conditioning. Traditionally, it's called curriculum, and sermon.



What more can you do to these people apart from locking them up? And in our society, we cannot do that until a crime has been committed, unfortunately.

Well eventually we might all just start worshiping the church of futurism. So you never know. There is nothing quite like a good witch hunt.

[Simaahoy]

I bet he's dressed as a woman in a foreign country. With all of the international attention, he could be caught soon.

[MrKap]

I bet he's dressed as a woman in a foreign country. With all of the international attention, he could be caught soon.

It's not real.

I'll bet he's gone back to his day job and is currently placing body fluids in peoples take out.

As if some kid like that is going to leave his dog behind to travel the world dressed as a woman. Where does that make sense?

[ishfish]

I'll bet he's gone back to his day job and is currently placing body fluids in peoples take out.

Note to self: avoid take out.

This story is front page news which makes me wonder about when news papers should be introduced in schools. Ths is a ltttle off the main topic, but it irritates me when I see my child's school doing projects involving news papers.

[Becks]

I read a non-fiction book once that stated 1 in 25 people are sociopaths. Here is a yahoo article on this topic, if you've never heard of this:
LINK (http://voices.yahoo.com/spotting-sociopath-1-25-one-8173609.html)

The only reason this [most likely] sociopath stands out to us right now is because he [allegedly] killed someone, filmed it, and sent body parts to public people. He could have lived a quiet life, never killing anyone. No mental health system can "cure" someone from being a sociopath. They are born that way. The important thing here is to realize that these people are out there, and you have probably met them and thought they were normal.

[MrKap]

Note to self: avoid take out.

This story is front page news which makes me wonder about when news papers should be introduced in schools. Ths is a ltttle off the main topic, but it irritates me when I see my child's school doing projects involving news papers.

I had an awesome teacher in high school who started each class with the newspaper. They were the first and only teacher to ever do that, and surprisingly after years of absolutely despising school as a whole, it really worked towards turning me around.

The bulk of the school education system is unpractical. So why should it be any surprise society as a whole is?

These guys really aren't kidding when they say this... http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/08/25/why-your-teenager-cant-use-a-hammer/

[Becks]

This story is front page news which makes me wonder about when news papers should be introduced in schools. Ths is a ltttle off the main topic, but it irritates me when I see my child's school doing projects involving news papers.

What's wrong with newspapers? Children are smart enough to handle newspaper stories. Stop coddling!

[ur_funneh]

Just finished watching the video of him dismembering the body into parts on liveleak, I must say I had to turn it off after 5 minutes. Some speculation suggests the person committing the act in the video is not of Lucas, but rather some imitator.

My question is, how did this body part make it past the post office and into the hands of the political enviornment? It was stated that the box smelled bad and their was visible signs of blood outside of the box, we should be focusing more on Canada Post for letting this slide by.

[yao416]

Omg. Sick guy is sick

[qaz393]

suprised that this thread is not locked yet.

[yao416]

Can someone post a cliff of what has happened?

[MrKap]

Can someone post a cliff of what has happened?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/police-find-second-body-part-after-tories-receive-bloody-foot/article2446647/

[UrbanPoet]

So you say you work with the mentally ill but you wouldn't support better access to mental health treatment? Ummm...that's an...interesting position....I think your conservative views are shining through.

I mean c'mon the guy was posting videos of torturing cats on the internet and people knew (and reported to the authorities) that it was him!

If something like THAT doesn't get two orderlies from the funny farm to come knocking on your door to take you down for a psych exam then something is clearly wrong with the system.

Just think about all the people out there who think about doing stuff like that - if we lived in a responsible society there'd be no only an easy way for them to show up at the doctors and self refer for treatment but also promotional campaigns topeople on the edge that are just slowly degrading away until they snap and start to take revenge on their enemies/society etc.

Woah. Do you really have to turn everything into a ****************
You completely twisted my words. My mere intention was just to bring up an observation that there are some killers out there who seem like normal people with a secret side.

By the way... I found this kind of funny...
Just think about all the people out there who think about doing stuff like that - if we lived in a responsible society there'd be no only an easy way for them to show up at the doctors and self refer for treatment but also promotional campaigns topeople on the edge that are just slowly degrading away until they snap and start to take revenge on their enemies/society etc

These are the exact things I advocate for and work for... where as you sit on your ***** talking about it on the internet.

[NG]

I am not sure if any mental health system can help someone like this.
They are not mentally ill in the traditional sense like somebody with depression or schizophrenia.

These are calculated and often intelligent murderers. They choose to do with their own free will. And they can look pretty "normal" in their usual daily lives.
What more can you do to these people apart from locking them up? And in our society, we cannot do that until a crime has been committed, unfortunately.

I keep saying this: He was posting video of him torturing and killing cats on the internet. This was the warning sign. This was the crime that was committed.

Perhaps even something decent in his subconscious made him want to be so open about it since I would have thought something like that would garner police/mental health attention.

People who torture and kill cats and post videos on the internet aren't normal.

If someone does that (and people on the internet and the police knew about him because he did that) this should have SCREAMED mandatory 48 hour psych exam at the mental ward.

[NG]

Woah. Do you really have to turn everything into a "I hate conservatives babble".
You completely twisted my words. My mere intention was just to bring up an observation that there are some killers out there who seem like normal people with a secret side.

By the way... I found this kind of funny...

These are the exact things I advocate for and work for... where as you sit on your ***** talking about it on the internet.

Dude now you're twisting my words. I wouldn't disagree that there are some/many that are secret - this guy wasn't. He was posting his cat killing pics online. It was easy to spot him but no one was looking.

Simple question: Do you support more funding going to medicare for mental health issues?

Edited to add: We're not allowed to discuss religion on this site anymore but I suspect I know the "type" of agency you work (what we're not allowed to discuss) for based on what you've written about it here before and you have no idea what I do and support offline.

[veejam]

i just saw the video....GROSS!!!!

[NG]

i just saw the video....GROSS!!!!

Why are people still viewing this thing? Just the fact it exists (as well as the event it shows) make me sick just thinking about it.

Isn't the fake stuff on Dexter enough?

[uber_shnitz]

The fact that this video is still online and viewed sometimes makes me wish the government did have the power to censor some stuff online in extreme circumstances.

[mrperfect]

Kind request to everyone, can we please keep politics out of it? Lets not derail this thread into accusing each other of political affiliations etc. Doing so will cause questionable posts to be deleted -- think about the waste of typing?
Please respect the sensitive nature of this thread, and kindly refrain from political bickering. :confused:

Thank you for understanding this situation. :)

[ur_funneh]

People will always want to see a video that is forbidden and banned, it's just the way the world works.


Besides, the video is no different than watching a horror movie, the movie has more blood and gore than this.

[NG]

People will always want to see a video that is forbidden and banned, it's just the way the world works.


Besides, the video is no different than watching a horror movie, the movie has more blood and gore than this.

Well in a horror movie it's not a real person being killed and mutilated.

Seeing this by accident thinking it was a a mock up movie is one thing but now that we know a real person died that's kinda far - and I've seen the Budd Dwyer video but the difference there is that he's the one who made the choice to blow his brains out at a live news conference.

[Dina_E]

Talk radio was quite amusing today. Listening to redneck idiots wondering why the police can't remove the video from the internet.

They want laws to be brought to ban and remove these video
hmm right

[NG]

MONTREAL—As body parts in the heinous, videotaped murder that police attribute to a Toronto-born porn actor lie sealed in plastic at Montreal’s morgue, police have confirmed the victim is the same person the Consulate General of China has identified as missing.

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Meanwhile, China’s Consulate General in Montreal asked for the community’s help to find 33-year-old Lin Jun, who hails from the east-central Chinese city of Wuhan. Family and friends, the consulate stated, lost contact with him on May 24.


http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1204006--montreal-murder-victim-is-missing-man-from-china-police-say

[NG]

There are photos of him with what appears to be a girlfriend. There are also online indications that he fathered a child. One video posits that Magnotta’s child died.

Magnotta moved to Montreal about four months ago, according to the manager of a rundown apartment building where the suspect rented apartment 208. He said he moved to the city to be closer to his child.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1204006--montreal-murder-victim-is-missing-man-from-china-police-say

Same article I just posted above but this part buried in the middle of the story stuck out as something that might become more relevant.

[sandy_beach]

Was the victim drugged or something and how did he end up with the killer in the first place??

[Tornado F2]

Now I see why a certain androgynous troll has suddenly gone quiet. He/she is on the run and can no longer find time to post. The changes made to Off Topic must have finally pushed him/her over the edge. :lol:

Seriously though, this is a really sick case. The killer is clearly a sick individual. But please let's not allow that to be used as an excuse to keep the creep out of prison. That Greyhound Bus beheader, for example, is already after day passes. These people should never be allowed out in public ever again. They should be locked away in solitary and forgotten.

And anybody actually watching video of this - YOU'RE SICK TOO. Don't give these sick buggers the attention they crave.

[Tornado F2]

"Roger Renville, a U.S. civil litigation lawyer, told CBC News Thursday that he had come across the 10½-minute video Saturday morning on a website that showcases gory videos. The video appears to depict a killing and dismemberment of a man, said Renville."

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/toronto-police-accused-ignoring-body-parts-case-tip-172249706.html

Hmmm.... What was this lawyer doing on such a website in the first place? Maybe that's why the police didn't take him seriously?

[john widow]

I can't bear to watch the video....
but could someone describe it to me in detail?
Is the guy alive and in pain and screaming?

[Tornado F2]

I can't bear to watch the video....
but could someone describe it to me in detail?
Is the guy alive and in pain and screaming?

I'm sure it's best not to know. I definitely don't want to know. It's bad enough that somebody would murder an innocent fellow human being. Anything beyond that really shouldn't matter. Let the law deal with the perpetrator and his punishment and blot any thought of him from your memory. The likes of him don't deserve any sort of recognition or acknowledgement. Leave them anonymous and forgotten by everybody but the justice system. That's the best way to deter future psychos.

[matdwyer]

I can't bear to watch the video....
but could someone describe it to me in detail?
Is the guy alive and in pain and screaming?

No, music plays on repeat over the whole video.
Highlight below if you want to... (If you don't want to read this, DON'T HIGHLIGHT IT, and don't quote it)




Hmmm.... What was this lawyer doing on such a website in the first place? Maybe that's why the police didn't take him seriously?

Some people view these things out of an odd curiosity. It's like watching the people jump from the towers, you question how this can be happening in the world you live in. "The most beautiful suicide (http://kottke.org/08/07/the-most-beautiful-suicide)" could be the early glamourization of this.


Was the victim drugged or something and how did he end up with the killer in the first place??

News reports say they were dating, but who knows.

This case will be a cornerstone for research into the minds of killers like this and their progressions - perhaps even triggering the creation of some sort of algorithm to detect this behaviour online. The cyber trail this guy left will be studied for decades.

I hope he isn't in Europe already, but at least if he is we can be confident that he won't be able to get back into Canada any time soon.

[uber_shnitz]

Even assuming the video wasn't real, there WAS an actual dead torso found in a garbage back in Cote-Des-Neiges this week as well as body parts shipped to Ottawa so that's enough gore for me.

[habs77]

Who else would I be talking to?:facepalm:

I read everything. Just because someone asks the question does not mean you actually have to answer it in detail.

He only gave a brief overview of it - everyone keep their shorts on! Believe me, I have seen the video and he could have gotten into ALOT more detail in describing it. Trust me.

[UrbanPoet]

Dude now you're twisting my words. I wouldn't disagree that there are some/many that are secret - this guy wasn't. He was posting his cat killing pics online. It was easy to spot him but no one was looking.

Simple question: Do you support more funding going to medicare for mental health issues?

Edited to add: We're not allowed to discuss religion on this site anymore but I suspect I know the "type" of agency you work (what we're not allowed to discuss) for based on what you've written about it here before and you have no idea what I do and support offline.

You twisted my words again!
No where did I say that you disagreed with the notion. I was only reiterating what I was stating.
In your post you actually straight up referenced me having 'conservative values'.

Oh you sly devil you. I'm not here to push any agenda. Aside from my belief that people from ALL backgrounds should be treated with respect and dignity... You make them seem like animals reffering to 'loonie bins', 'loonie police', and the 'funny farm'. While these jokes may be okay in other context, but in the case of this thread we're actually talking about a obviously disturbed man.

Its this type of segregation and attitude that further perpetuates the stigma behind mental health. Theres a reason why it took so long for mental illness to go from 'evil demons' to 'medical disease'. The further we close the gap on this stigma, the better it will be for people suffering from Mental Health.

[Simaahoy]

Canada's justice system is a joke. It was indicated the guy spent time getting treatment awhile back in one of the articles and highly doubt he could get any help. This is so bizarre...the guy is looks so into himself and out of touch of society.

[habs77]

Canada's justice system is a joke. It was indicated the guy spent time getting treatment awhile back in one of the articles and highly doubt he could get any help. This is so bizarre...the guy is looks so into himself and out of touch of society.

And supposedly he moved to Montreal because he wanted to be closer to a child he supposedly has...??!! UGH! Imagine that poor child having a waste of space like that as a father.

[rUn-gUn]

The video is 100% real and has been confirmed as so by the police after the gorehounds made people aware that the video exists.. not sure why there are any doubts at this point. Sometimes real life just doesn't look like you would expect it to from what we see in films etc..

[BoogieWilliams]

The video is real it was confirmed by the police that they had found pictures and videos at the killers apartment, that matched the video posted online. Also, i think they said he might have got on a plane and left the country probably to somewhere in Europe.

[habs77]

The guy is a few planks short a load. Should have been put into a rubber room and straight-jacket. Everytime I see his pics I wanna throw-up with that stupid Zoolander pose he has.

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/9594/zoolanderq.jpg

[Tornado F2]

Some people view these things out of an odd curiosity.

I hope he isn't in Europe already, but at least if he is we can be confident that he won't be able to get back into Canada any time soon.

Odd I can agree with. Curious - no.

As for this pervy killer, do we really want him back in Canada? I'd much prefer for him to be caught in a country that has no qualms about extraditing him to China where they can do whatever they want with him. If he goes through our system you can almost guarantee he'll be back out walking the streets, or lounging on a Caribbean island, within 5 or 6 years.

[wachidarin]

They released a photo of the victim. Good looking guy. So sad.

Montreal is really starting to look bad on the international radar..Non stop protests and chaos for months because of students, if that wasn't enough to scare tourists now foreign students looking to call mtl their home might have something to fear.

[matdwyer]

Odd I can agree with. Curious - no.

As for this pervy killer, do we really want him back in Canada? I'd much prefer for him to be caught in a country that has no qualms about extraditing him to China where they can do whatever they want with him. If he goes through our system you can almost guarantee he'll be back out walking the streets, or lounging on a Caribbean island, within 5 or 6 years.

This is such an open and shut case with the video & DNA evidence that the only thing he'd have going for him would be that he's absolutely crazy. His history certainly lends itself to that defence (faking a romance with karla homolka, killing kittens, etc). The guy needs a lot of help that he'll never get - I think that he'll be hunted down and killed quietly where ever he is.

This is one case where nothing would be short - showing that video to a jury would literally prompt the highest possible punishment.

Also, on another note, I really don't see why my post was edited, considering I a) put it in spoilers, b) didn't use any profanity, and c) said exactly what is written in the articles.

[Simaahoy]

http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/05/31/magnotta-a-ticking-time-bomb-relative


PETERBOROUGH, ONT. - Luka Magnotta is a “ticking time bomb” who needs to be brought into custody, says a close family member of the primary suspect in a gruesome Montreal murder.

“I hope that he is caught because he is a ticking time bomb,” the woman said during an exclusive interview with QMI Agency. “Because he’s unstable, if he gets cornered, I just don’t think it will be a good outcome, so the faster he is caught the better.”

The woman, who has known Magnotta since he was a child, spoke on a condition of anonymity.

She described a highly dysfunctional family in which Magnotta was raised by his grandparents with little if any structure.

“This family from the head down is very dysfunctional,” she said, as she sipped a coffee in a Peterborough Tim Hortons. “The essence of this whole story is parenting or the lack of.”

To the international audience that is following the case, Magnotta is a murder suspect, a porn star, a kitten killer and even a rumoured love interest of schoolgirl killer Karla Holmoka.

But to his family in the Peterborough area, the man at the centre of a bizarre case in which parts from a dismembered body were mailed to national political party offices is just Eric Newman.

The woman said Magnotta was an “odd,” effeminate teen growing up in Scarborough, Ont., and then Lindsay, Ont., where he attended I. E. Weldon Secondary School for Grades 10 and 11.

“He’s a nut job. I did not trust him,” the woman said. “Eric is the type of individual, I think he’s mentally ill. He has delusions of grandeur. He concocts stories that he tends to believe and they in turn become fact in his mind.”

Magnotta was born in Scarborough to parents Don Newman and Anna Yourkin, and has a younger brother and sister and two younger half-siblings.

His mother and sister live in Peterborough. Both declined to comment Thursday.

“Please get off the property, you’re trespassing,” Anna Yourkin told QMI Agency Thursday morning through the door of her home.

That home was the site of a $60,000 fire in June 2010. Police said the fire was intentional and charged a 14-year-old boy with arson endangering life.

Magnotta’s cousin, Louis Yourkin, 21, is currently calling Central East Correctional Centre home. He is before the Peterborough court on charges of gun and drug trafficking.

He was charged after police seized handguns following a vehicle stop. Court has heard he bought the handguns to settle a drug debt.

Both Magnotta and Louis Yourkin were raised by their biological grandmother – Phyllis Yourkin – who lives in Peterborough’s north end, the family member said.

“(Phyllis) tries to be the typical matriarch of the family. She is very domineering, controlling and if you have a submissive personality, she will beat you up and do what she wants,” she said.

QMI Agency went to I. E. Weldon Secondary School and found Magnotta’s photo in the 1999 and 2000 yearbooks, in which he is identified as Eric Newman. In his Grade 10 picture he sports a lumberjack shirt and Mohawk-style haircut. The following year he has the bleached-blond dye characteristic of his current online persona.

The school’s vice principal would not discuss Magnotta’s history at the school.

“We can’t comment,” Richard Christie said.

Since news broke of Magnotta’s suspected role in the gruesome murder and disembodiment of an unknown man in Montreal that police said was videotaped and posted online, the family has been shocked by the graphic details, the woman said.

“It made me nauseous,” she said.

But the woman said she doesn’t believe for a second that Magnotta had any romantic connection to schoolgirl killer Karla Holmoka, a story that circulated five years ago. Magnotta has a habit of making up rumours about himself, she said.

“He will create a conflict, then he will take himself out and he will deny the content of the story, which he in fact started,” she explained.

While some media reports suggested Magnotta might have fled the country, the woman said

Peterborough and Lindsay residents should keep their eyes out for him as he feels comfortable in both cities.

“People need to be aware that he does have a connection to Peterborough, he does have a connection to Lindsay,” she said. “Eric thinks he’s smarter than he is.”

[Shaner]

Assuming he's brought back to Canada alive, this guy would normally go to Kingston Pen, but with it closing, i wonder where he will go now.

[Shaner]

For those that want to know what happened without watching the video or reading the details, I'll say this. I read a very detailed description of the video, and it is by far the sickest thing I've ever read. I've read hundreds of files from the worst inmates in the country, and what I read about this guy, is by far worse than anything I've ever read before.

[CSK'sMom]

This is such an open and shut case with the video & DNA evidence that the only thing he'd have going for him would be that he's absolutely crazy. His history certainly lends itself to that defence (faking a romance with karla homolka, killing kittens, etc). The guy needs a lot of help that he'll never get - I think that he'll be hunted down and killed quietly where ever he is.

This is one case where nothing would be short - showing that video to a jury would literally prompt the highest possible punishment.

Also, on another note, I really don't see why my post was edited, considering I a) put it in spoilers, b) didn't use any profanity, and c) said exactly what is written in the articles.

Not quite, you went far beyond what is in the articles, a frame by frame description of the video is not needed and frankly, against the rules. There has been 2 warning by 2 mods left in this thread already and all graphic content and descriptions have been edited out for obvious reasons. One already got a temp ban for continuing to post graphic detail after being told not to. ;)

[trixstar]

there new rules set in place, users have to abide by it.. a detailed description of the video is disgusting and doesn't deserve it's place on RFD.

[Simaahoy]

there new rules set in place, users have to abide by it.. a detailed description of the video is disgusting and doesn't deserve it's place on RFD.

+1

Suggesting others to watch the video and giving attention to it is what this man wants. Just watch out for this guy that could be anywhere in eastern Ontario especially. If you watch the horrific crime that the killer posted you are no better than the guy in my books.

[uber_shnitz]

There are claims that he's somewhere in France now since he bought a ticket from Montreal to Paris 2 weeks ago.

[steve-0101]

there new rules set in place, users have to abide by it.. a detailed description of the video is disgusting and doesn't deserve it's place on RFD.

I agree, I don't want to read that here. Yesterday's post that was deleted was revolting.

[kennyhohoho]

+1

Suggesting others to watch the video and giving attention to it is what this man wants. Just watch out for this guy that could be anywhere in eastern Ontario especially. If you watch the horrific crime that the killer posted you are no better than the guy in my books.

Really? :confused:

So if I watched the Avengers, am I also Iron Man?

[mjl_toronto]

In case anyone else is interested, I found this site to have a lot of additional information, including several more aliases and discussion of additional snuff videos connected to LRM.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7995658#post7995658

[kindred_99]

Do they not track people's passports? I understand that he has several aliases but can they not run his face through facial recognition software or his name/aliases through airport databases. They scan every passport when you travel, the data must get stored somewhere for reasons just like this. His buying a ticket to Paris is a good lead but it doesn't prove that he went there.

[Simaahoy]

Really? :confused:

So if I watched the Avengers, am I also Iron Man?

in terms of disgust, why would anyone want to watch a vid like that based on the description?

[kennyhohoho]

in terms of disgust, why would anyone want to watch a vid like that based on the description?

I dunno. People have a morbid curiosity in these kinds of things. Explains why movies like Saw and Hostel are so popular. Granted, those are just make believe, but still.

[sandikosh]

If he is caught, he should be sent to china and have the family skin him alive! Let true justice prevail!

[ottofly]

Not quite, you went far beyond what is in the articles, a frame by frame description of the video is not needed and frankly, against the rules. There has been 2 warning by 2 mods left in this thread already and all graphic content and descriptions have been edited out for obvious reasons. One already got a temp ban for continuing to post graphic detail after being told not to. ;)

Seems like regular posters who should know better suddenly play stupid and ask for the details to be posted here just to push the limits of the mods in the new OT. All of a sudden trolls with 17,000 posts and 90% of their lives spent online have never heard of a Google search or toronto sun.com. If you want exact details plenty of websites are hosting them.

[45ED]

Seems like regular posters who should know better suddenly play stupid and ask for the details to be posted here just to push the limits of the mods in the new OT. All of a sudden trolls with 17,000 posts and 90% of their lives spent online have never heard of a Google search or toronto sun.com. If you want exact details plenty of websites are hosting them.

This.

[NG]

For those that want to know what happened without watching the video or reading the details, I'll say this. I read a very detailed description of the video, and it is by far the sickest thing I've ever read. I've read hundreds of files from the worst inmates in the country, and what I read about this guy, is by far worse than anything I've ever read before.

+1 I've just read random spinets here and there and would agree. I've seen some ****ed up stuff (faces of death, Budd Dwyer video) but this is beyond any of that.

From what I've read I'd agree with this statement:



OK this is apparently the worst thing ever posted on the internet according to the website owner. OMG.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7985548&postcount=44

[Becks]

Having gone through a number of years of schooling, I got the impression that most people were normal and pretty much like me. However, when I met up with people from a particular online site/forum (not RFD), I didn't realize how weird and different they were, and I mean that in a bad way. It was definitely a learning experience... an eye opener. There are some twisted, sick people out there, people with a dark side, that you can't discern just by looking at them physically. When I see foreign students dating locals, I wonder how much danger they are putting themselves in. If you're new to a place, you're naturally at a disadvantage because you're "a noob". There are people who naturally would want to take advantage of this. Anyways, I think we all should learn from this that we shouldn't be so darn naive.

Oh ya, when I was a kid growing up, I knew that Clifford Robert Olsen murdered kids. However, I never knew what he did to them. Thanks to press censorship, I thought he was "just a killer". It wasn't until decades later that I found out he did more than just kill them. Again, naivete. Are we doing anyone any favours by censoring?

[45ED]

Having gone through a number of years of schooling, I got the impression that most people were normal and pretty much like me. However, when I met up with people from a particular online site/forum (not RFD), I didn't realize how weird and different they were, and I mean that in a bad way. It was definitely a learning experience... an eye opener. There are some twisted, sick people out there, people with a dark side, that you can't discern just by looking at them physically. When I see foreign students dating locals, I wonder how much danger they are putting themselves in. If you're new to a place, you're naturally at a disadvantage because you're "a noob". There are people who naturally would want to take advantage of this. Anyways, I think we all should learn from this that we shouldn't be so darn naive.

Oh ya, when I was a kid growing up, I knew that Clifford Robert Olsen murdered kids. However, I never knew what he did to them. Thanks to press censorship, I thought he was "just a killer". It wasn't until decades later that I found out he did more than just kill them. Again, naivete. Are we doing anyone any favours by censoring?

There are a few favours in censoring things for kids, but there are even fewer favours in exposing a child to, say, gory images of a man on is death bed when they don't know or understand what they're seeing. A parent could explain to a child why the news is covered with the face of this blond pornstar/model as a service to informing his/her child about being aware and safety smarts. But that child will not benefit from seeing that video. Or taking in any story too detailed.

So to an extent, a child should know the what and why. But I'd rather not scar a child by giving more information than is helpful less they be unable to handle it. I mean nevermind the video -- most people are unable to deal with/can barely tolerate the video's cliff notes. What hope should anyone have that the average child can do better?

[NG]

Oh ya, when I was a kid growing up, I knew that Clifford Robert Olsen murdered kids. However, I never knew what he did to them. Thanks to press censorship, I thought he was "just a killer". It wasn't until decades later that I found out he did more than just kill them. Again, naivete. Are we doing anyone any favours by censoring?

Thankfully the American media doesn't seem to have the same concern.

We all knew Dalmer ate the body parts, put them in formidable to create a "zombie army" etc. As such when something big like this happens at least the internet enables us to know what actually happens.

[Kunman]

i wonder who is going to get the penis hmmm....

[Tornado F2]

This is such an open and shut case with the video & DNA evidence that the only thing he'd have going for him would be that he's absolutely crazy. His history certainly lends itself to that defence (faking a romance with karla homolka, killing kittens, etc). The guy needs a lot of help that he'll never get - I think that he'll be hunted down and killed quietly where ever he is.

This is one case where nothing would be short - showing that video to a jury would literally prompt the highest possible punishment.


It wouldn't even get to a jury. Even the most inexperienced defence lawyer would enter an insanity plea and get him shipped off to a mental hospital. There he'd far too quickly be "cured" and released back into the community, or he'd spread his demented ideas among other patients, who'd potentially act on them after their own release. Neither outcome is desirable. Better we just let him be shipped directly to China, where they can turn him into catfood if they like.

(I'm usually opposed to the death penalty, but for unredeemable evil devils like this one, why not? I doubt that any sane person will miss him. Better that we dispose of and forget all about this worthless creep ASAP).

[NG]

i wonder who is going to get the penis hmmm....

Was the penis severed as well?

Considering he said that more parts were in the mail I'm surprised that there hasn't been more body parts in the mail reports yet.

[45ED]

Was the penis severed as well?

Considering he said that more parts were in the mail I'm surprised that there hasn't been more body parts in the mail reports yet.

After the hand caught in the system before it was sent to the Liberal Party HQ, I'm quite sure they are closely examining every sizeable parcel. Which is to say, they're quite busy. If the rest of the parts were mailed out, I think the reports will come out sooner or later. After all, the parts are bound to leak and smell. It will be noticed.

Unless, of course, he gave the other parts the torso treatment and deposited the other parts elsewhere (shudders).

I do hope all the parts show up. The victim's family needs to bury his body and it won't do to have just his torso, a foot, and a hand. I can't imagine what they're going though - not only was he only a year (barely) out of China in Canada and not only was he killed, but it was a brutal, virtually impossible to imagine violating murder.

[Tornado F2]

What's with the sudden rise in cannibalism anyway? On CNN tonight they also mentioned recent flesh-eating assaults/murders in Florida and Maryland. And this is supposed to be the "civilized" part of the world! :(

[Kunman]

What's with the sudden rise in cannibalism anyway? On CNN tonight they also mentioned recent flesh-eating assaults/murders in Florida and Maryland. And this is supposed to be the "civilized" part of the world! :(

i think the media knows whats going on, and they are trying to up play the 2012 apocalypse game.

OR

it is what it is.....a zombie out break

i think both are equally likely C:

[Tornado F2]

i think the media knows whats going on, and they are trying to up play the 2012 apocalypse game.

OR

it is what it is.....a zombie out break

i think both are equally likely C:

The attack in Florida has been blamed on the use of a drug referred to as "bath salts".

This Canadian killer has been wacko for so long they can't use that same explanation here.

[Kunman]

The attack in Florida has been blamed on the use of a drug referred to as "bath salts".

This Canadian killer has been wacko for so long they can't use that same explanation here.


you are talking about the face chump? thats old news

[xlc_88]

you are talking about the face chump? thats old news

Well...there is this news: Alexander Kinyua Ate Kujoe Agyei-Kodie's Brain, Heart In Maryland, Cops Say

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/31/alexander-kinyua-kujoe-agyei-kodie-ate-brain-heart-roommate-maryland_n_1560149.html?ref=mostpopular

[mjl_toronto]

I haven't bothered registering on websleuths.com but was hoping someone here that did could post a question.

I'm sure LE agencies have looked already, but I'm just curious if LRM has any connections geographically to PB and KH. I mean, all three are from Scarborough. PB would have been 18 when LRM was born. Lots of people think LRM looks like PB and KH (could also be surgery). I'm just saying, someone needs to seriously look at how this guy could be connected to those two. He obviously had an obsession with them. Perhaps look for what may be the source of that obsession?

FYI, I'm gonna pass on this idea to my LE friends.

[Kunman]

I haven't bothered registering on websleuths.com but was hoping someone here that did could post a question.

I'm sure LE agencies have looked already, but I'm just curious if LRM has any connections geographically to PB and KH. I mean, all three are from Scarborough. PB would have been 18 when LRM was born. Lots of people think LRM looks like PB and KH (could also be surgery). I'm just saying, someone needs to seriously look at how this guy could be connected to those two. He obviously had an obsession with them. Perhaps look for what may be the source of that obsession?

FYI, I'm gonna pass on this idea to my LE friends.

YI, I'm just a questions guy could already, but was hoping, source of people that may be could be sure this geographically to PB would all them. Perhaps like PB any could have be three are friends. I have looks like PB and KH. I have look at may be could had ally to serious idea to my LE from Scarborough. PB would be sure LE friends. I mean, already, but I'm surgery). I haven't born. Lots of them. Perhaps look for when LRM look at hoping on that hoping someone needs to seriously had also be three

[CSK'sMom]

I haven't bothered registering on websleuths.com but was hoping someone here that did could post a question.

I'm sure LE agencies have looked already, but I'm just curious if LRM has any connections geographically to PB and KH. I mean, all three are from Scarborough. PB would have been 18 when LRM was born. Lots of people think LRM looks like PB and KH (could also be surgery). I'm just saying, someone needs to seriously look at how this guy could be connected to those two. He obviously had an obsession with them. Perhaps look for what may be the source of that obsession?

FYI, I'm gonna pass on this idea to my LE friends.

Homolka was never from Scarborough, she was born and raised in St Catharines. ;) Frankly, this guy is obsessed with all serial killers. Many of his web aliases are related in some way to serial killers, mostly victim names (like the London Times emails) ....

[masterhapposai]

YI, I'm just a questions guy could already, but was hoping, source of people that may be could be sure this geographically to PB would all them. Perhaps like PB any could have be three are friends. I have looks like PB and KH. I have look at may be could had ally to serious idea to my LE from Scarborough. PB would be sure LE friends. I mean, already, but I'm surgery). I haven't born. Lots of them. Perhaps look for when LRM look at hoping on that hoping someone needs to seriously had also be three

I agree I'm sure hoping. Curious if have could serious guy born.

three surgery questions guy, PB could LE. Perhaps lots of them geographically to LRM? LE to LRM to PB to KH. All four friends had an obsession. Source of people could be connected to those four LE agencies. Lots of obviously. LE Agency has source. 42 LRM equals PB and KH.

could post question pass.

[the_fm]

YI, I'm just a questions guy could already, but was hoping, source of people that may be could be sure this geographically to PB would all them. Perhaps like PB any could have be three are friends. I have looks like PB and KH. I have look at may be could had ally to serious idea to my LE from Scarborough. PB would be sure LE friends. I mean, already, but I'm surgery). I haven't born. Lots of them. Perhaps look for when LRM look at hoping on that hoping someone needs to seriously had also be three


I agree I'm sure hoping. Curious if have could serious guy born.

three surgery questions guy, PB could LE. Perhaps lots of them geographically to LRM? LE to LRM to PB to KH. All four friends had an obsession. Source of people could be connected to those four LE agencies. Lots of obviously. LE Agency has source. 42 LRM equals PB and KH.

could post question pass.

*mind blown* :confused:

[Kunman]

Homolka was never from Scarborough, she was born and raised in St Catharines. ;) Frankly, this guy is obsessed with all serial killers. Many of his web aliases are related in some way to serial killers, mostly victim names (like the London Times emails) ....

which guy?

[Tornado F2]

YI, I'm just a questions guy could already, but was hoping, source of people that may be could be sure this geographically to PB would all them. Perhaps like PB any could have be three are friends. I have looks like PB and KH. I have look at may be could had ally to serious idea to my LE from Scarborough. PB would be sure LE friends. I mean, already, but I'm surgery). I haven't born. Lots of them. Perhaps look for when LRM look at hoping on that hoping someone needs to seriously had also be three

^ Random word generator in use there? :confused:

[Tornado F2]

*mind blown* :confused:

+1

I've just come back to this thread and feel like I've landed on some other planet where everybody speaks gibberish. What happened while I was away? :facepalm:

[Kunman]

^ Random word generator in use there? :confused:


I'm sure LE agencies have looked already, but I'm just curious if LRM has any connections geographically to PB and KH. I mean, all three are from Scarborough. PB would have been 18 when LRM was born. Lots of people think LRM looks like PB and KH (could also be surgery). I'm just saying, someone needs to seriously look at how this guy could be connected to those two. He obviously had an obsession with them. Perhaps look for what may be the source of that obsession?

more like here^

[Tornado F2]

I'm sure LE agencies have looked already, but I'm just curious if LRM has any connections geographically to PB and KH. I mean, all three are from Scarborough. PB would have been 18 when LRM was born. Lots of people think LRM looks like PB and KH (could also be surgery). I'm just saying, someone needs to seriously look at how this guy could be connected to those two. He obviously had an obsession with them. Perhaps look for what may be the source of that obsession?

more like here^

Nope, other than the excessive use of initials that post makes sense grammatically. Yours on the other hand... :facepalm: ;)

[masterhapposai]

Nope, other than the excessive use of initials that post makes sense grammatically. Yours on the other hand... :facepalm: ;)

PB and KH man, PB LRM.

Source of obsession is in the LE.

[Kevin]

Is killing of Chinese man by alleged Russian-born Luka Rocco Magnotta hate crime?
http://www.cireport.ca/2012/06/is-killing-of-chinese-man-by-russian-born-accused-criminal-luka-rocco-magnotta-hate-crime.html

http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/luka-magnotta-stormfront.jpg

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/06/01/accused-killer-luka-rocco-magnotta-linked-to-far-right-u-s-white-supremacists-in-message-board-posts/

A screengrab from a cached page from the U.S. white nationalist website Stormfront, showing a post suspected to have been written by accused murderer Luka Rocco Magnotta.

A year before he became the target of an international manhunt for an alleged killing and dismemberment, Luka Rocco Magnotta was being hailed as a hero of free speech on a U.S. white nationalist website.
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A May 27, 2011 post on Stormfront.org refers to Mr. Magnotta as “an open white supremacist” and claims he was being forced to flee Canada and return to Russia because of “his views on white supremacy.”

The post, by a forum member named reddragon1, said Magnotta “is of Russian/Italian heritage,” was born in Tolyatti, Russia, moved to Canada at age five and went to the United States to work in modeling and adult entertainment.

“However, after he published his website supporting the freeze on immigration to America and Canada, he was bombarded with hate mail and his website was removed,” the post read. “His websites were frequently targeted and removed.”

It quoted Mr. Magnotta’s website as lamenting that “blacks get their own countries, Chinese get their own countries … however if white people want their own countries then we are denied that right.”
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A second and final post by reddragon1 the following day made derogatory comments about Jews. Stormfront is run by former Ku Klux Klan leader Don Black.

The blog Anti-Racist Canada, which found the Stormfront posts, reported Thursday that it would be sending them “to the appropriate authorities” and said it suspected reddragon1 to be Mr. Magnotta himself.

Mr. Magnotta appeared again on Stormfront in September, when a member wrote that “Luka Magnotta, he wrote a lot of very interesting articles on multiculturalism. I for one am extremely happy that he is courageous enough to write the things he does, knowing full well he will receive death threats. … He says he is not advocating killing different races, he simply does not want to communicate, work or associate with different races.”

Abbee Corb, an analyst with the Hate Crimes Extremism and Investigative Team, which advises police services in Ontario, said Stormfront “has become a social networking site and prominent voice in the right-wing white supremacist community.

“Prominent Canadian right winger Paul Fromm, hosts his radio show on the Stormfront network. Stormfront has a great deal of Canadian and international content. Its users can post and create content promoting events, recruiting and providing commentary on global events.”

Sad

[edgedamage]

For those that want to know what happened without watching the video or reading the details, I'll say this. I read a very detailed description of the video, and it is by far the sickest thing I've ever read. I've read hundreds of files from the worst inmates in the country, and what I read about this guy, is by far worse than anything I've ever read before.

You gotta question the sanity of anyone seeking this video after it was confirmed real.

[Beradon]

Sad
I doubt Stormfront would acknowledge him as one of their own considering that LRM admitted doing gay porn. These white supremacists are as homophobic as they are racists. Knowing now that a homosexual was posting on their forums sharing their views must be embarrassing to say the least.

[jacobe]

*mind blown* :confused:

LMAO~ Agree :|

[DVDManiac]

You gotta question the sanity of anyone seeking this video after it was confirmed real.

Exactly. And I would even go as far as question any websites that will host having the video up for people to see...there is no reason to have it up. If it's monetary related, it's a pathetic way of making money.

[mjl_toronto]

YI, I'm just a questions guy could already, but was hoping, source of people that may be could be sure this geographically to PB would all them. Perhaps like PB any could have be three are friends. I have looks like PB and KH. I have look at may be could had ally to serious idea to my LE from Scarborough. PB would be sure LE friends. I mean, already, but I'm surgery). I haven't born. Lots of them. Perhaps look for when LRM look at hoping on that hoping someone needs to seriously had also be three


I agree I'm sure hoping. Curious if have could serious guy born.

three surgery questions guy, PB could LE. Perhaps lots of them geographically to LRM? LE to LRM to PB to KH. All four friends had an obsession. Source of people could be connected to those four LE agencies. Lots of obviously. LE Agency has source. 42 LRM equals PB and KH.

could post question pass.

How old are you two? You seriously have no idea what the initials PB, KH, and LRM stand for, especially in context with this guy? LRM should be obvious Lucca Rocco Magnotta. In context, you should know that PB stands for Paul Bernardo and KH is Karla Homolka.

LE = Law Enforcement

Welcome to the internet.


*mind blown* :confused:

LOL


Nope, other than the excessive use of initials that post makes sense grammatically. Yours on the other hand... :facepalm: ;)

Thanks. I only use initials 'cuz I don't like spelling out their names. Kinda like "He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named".


Homolka was never from Scarborough, she was born and raised in St Catharines. ;) Frankly, this guy is obsessed with all serial killers. Many of his web aliases are related in some way to serial killers, mostly victim names (like the London Times emails) ....

See, CSK'sMom didn't have problems with the initials.

I understand LRM is obsessed with serial killers, but I still think there may be something more than just a coincidence here. Perhaps maybe a major connection to snuff films in Scarborough?

One more quack theory. Anyone know why he would name himself Luka Rocco Magnotta? This is my take:

Luka - Origin similar to Luke. Perhaps biblical? If so, Luke was known as a physician. Maybe LRM thinks himself as a surgeon slicing up his victims.
Rocco - This is a bit of a stretch, but Jesus had a close disciple named Peter. Peter means rock. Rocco does not mean rock, but maybe LRM was doing a play on words? Rocco is a name of a saint who cured plague victims. Another doctor?
Magnotta - The first time I heard of LRM, I instantly thought he was connected to the winery. Poor winery. Magnotta is one of, if not the biggest winery in the GTA. Jesus' first miracle was turning water into wine.

So what's the significance of all this? Well, I think LRM is claiming to be the anti-christ. I know I'm definitely over-analyzing this, but I just think a guy like him would be purposeful in naming himself what he did.

Any other theories?

[nosnoop]

You gotta question the sanity of anyone seeking this video after it was confirmed real.

Online reaction to video reveals a disturbing appetite for gore (http://www.thestar.com/article/1204016--montreal-murder-case-online-reaction-to-video-reveals-a-disturbing-appetite-for-gore)

[kaydees]

Some people on other forums like that bodybuilding one are saying how the video wasn't entertaining enough... wth is wrong with people.
And people were joking about this incident (the body parts being mailed to political parties) before more details were available.. well how on earth would a random hand be sent in the mail.. obviously someone was killed or something.. not like a real human hand was made out of thin air.

[Tornado F2]

Thanks. I only use initials 'cuz I don't like spelling out their names. Kinda like "He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named".


See, CSK'sMom didn't have problems with the initials.

I understand LRM is obsessed with serial killers, but I still think there may be something more than just a coincidence here. Perhaps maybe a major connection to snuff films in Scarborough?

One more quack theory. Anyone know why he would name himself Luka Rocco Magnotta? This is my take:

Luka - Origin similar to Luke. Perhaps biblical? If so, Luke was known as a physician. Maybe LRM thinks himself as a surgeon slicing up his victims.
Rocco - This is a bit of a stretch, but Jesus had a close disciple named Peter. Peter means rock. Rocco does not mean rock, but maybe LRM was doing a play on words? Rocco is a name of a saint who cured plague victims. Another doctor?
Magnotta - The first time I heard of LRM, I instantly thought he was connected to the winery. Poor winery. Magnotta is one of, if not the biggest winery in the GTA. Jesus' first miracle was turning water into wine.

So what's the significance of all this? Well, I think LRM is claiming to be the anti-christ. I know I'm definitely over-analyzing this, but I just think a guy like him would be purposeful in naming himself what he did.

Any other theories?

- Fair enough, I hate to acknowledge/remember the sick killers too, but even I didn't get the LE one.

- Of course she didn't. Notice the K?

- Very unlikely. I doubt that this creep has any biblical knowledge, especially one deep enough to come up with that. The Magnotta could come from the winery though, for less deep reasons.

Beyond that, I'm not interested in giving the sick loser any further thought. I just hope he's found and sees real justice soon.

[Tornado F2]

Some people on other forums like that bodybuilding one are saying how the video wasn't entertaining enough... wth is wrong with people.
And people were joking about this incident (the body parts being mailed to political parties) before more details were available.. well how on earth would a random hand be sent in the mail.. obviously someone was killed or something.. not like a real human hand was made out of thin air.

It could have come from a cadaver at a medical school or something. But sadly that wasn't the case.

Agreed about the sickos out there though. I'm not that old but I see a real decline in our society's standards from when I was a youngster. All this access to sick and violent imagery obviously isn't helping.

[Tornado F2]

I doubt Stormfront would acknowledge him as one of their own considering that LRM admitted doing gay porn. These white supremacists are as homophobic as they are racists. Knowing now that a homosexual was posting on their forums sharing their views must be embarrassing to say the least.

Ironic really when you think of their hero Hitler. A vegetarian woman-avoiding painter who liked muscular young blonde men.

[Beradon]

Ironic really when you think of their hero Hitler. A vegetarian woman-avoiding painter who liked muscular young blonde men.Of course denial is just a river in Egypt to these guys. ;)

[kabza]

I agree I'm sure hoping. Curious if have could serious guy born.

three surgery questions guy, PB could LE. Perhaps lots of them geographically to LRM? LE to LRM to PB to KH. All four friends had an obsession. Source of people could be connected to those four LE agencies. Lots of obviously. LE Agency has source. 42 LRM equals PB and KH.

could post question pass.

If 42 LRM equals a PB and KH how many LRM does it take to equal 5 PB and 0.5 KH???

:-0

[kabza]

btw many ppl believe magnotta is back to his old antics and trolling youtube again the last couple days.... he must feel safe behind TOR or whatever else but they'll get him.

[je77ilmw]

which guy?

John Kilbride.

[Simaahoy]

Magnotta is in Paris, France officially I guess. Airport security photos is included in the article and his cell phone is being tracked.



http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/06/03/montreal-magnotta-search.html

[Nook]

Maybe if they had delivered a brain as well...

[kaydees]

I don't think he cares if he gets caught. He said before that your career in "that industry" is basically over when you reach 30.. and he is 29 and never really got famous like he wanted to, and his birthday is in July. I also read somewhere that people who were searching for the identity of the kitten killer believe it was Luka himself who anonomously gave a tip that he was the kitten killer. :facepalm:

[Simaahoy]

Here he is posted a video of himself on the internet please and praying they catch him by tommorow morning



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnpjGcsuuVY


:cry:

[at1212b]

This thread title should be changed to include the Liberal Party too because parts were sent there too.

[jaxx lite]

Narcissistic Personality Disorder

http://htpprints.yorku.ca/archive/00000022/01/NPDQuotes.htm

An all-pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behaviour), need for admiration or adulation and lack of empathy, usually beginning by early adulthood and present in various contexts. Five (or more) of the following criteria must be met:

· Feels grandiose and self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents to the point of lying, demands to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements);

· Is obsessed with fantasies of unlimited success, fame, fearsome power or omnipotence, unequalled brilliance (the cerebral narcissist), bodily beauty or sexual performance (the somatic narcissist), or ideal, everlasting, all-conquering love or passion;

· Firmly convinced that he or she is unique and, being special, can only be understood by, should only be treated by, or associate with, other special or unique, or high-status people (or institutions);

· Requires excessive admiration, adulation, attention and affirmation - or, failing that, wishes to be feared and to be notorious (narcissistic supply);

· Feels entitled. Expects unreasonable or special and favourable priority treatment. Demands automatic and full compliance with his or her expectations;

· Is "interpersonally exploitative", i.e., uses others to achieve his or her own ends;

· Devoid of empathy. Is unable or unwilling to identify with or acknowledge the feelings and needs of others;

· Constantly envious of others or believes that they feel the same about him or her;

· Arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes coupled with rage when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted.

-

[yao416]

Here he is posted a video of himself on the internet please and praying they catch him by tommorow morning



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnpjGcsuuVY


:cry:

ibfbi raids his house

[jcon]

This thread title should be changed to include the Liberal Party too because parts were sent there too.

What difference does it make?

[NG]

Here he is posted a video of himself on the internet please and praying they catch him by tommorow morning



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnpjGcsuuVY


:cry:

Someone listed a 416 area code in the comments and posts are saying they called him and claimed he answered.

[kaydees]

Someone listed a 416 area code in the comments and posts are saying they called him and claimed he answered.

They found that number on sites where he was listed as an escort. I'm guessing that isn't a personal number, just a general one for some of the escorts.. :S

[Tornado F2]

Magnotta is in Paris, France officially I guess. Airport security photos is included in the article and his cell phone is being tracked.


Hopefully the French will send in the same shoot-first SWAT team that took out the racist army/kindergarten killer earlier this year. That way nobody needs concern theirself with giving him a trial. He doesn't deserve fair treatment anyway. Just dispose of the trash.

[Kunman]

would not want to have any connections with murderer....but the number is there...

[NG]

would not want to have any connections with murderer....but the number is there...

+1 I wouldn't either. Hell I'm actually hoping that since the video is posted on this site Youtube doesn't list RFD as a top referrer so he doesn't come and view this thread (if he hasn't already....he is from Toronto and this is likely one of Canada's top internet forums).

As an aside I did some goggling based on info in the comments I found some interesting info on that websleuth's site that may be how he's been able to get fake identity to disappear. Too late to fully go into it now but I'll write about what I found when I'm actually awake and have the time to devote to it.


They found that number on sites where he was listed as an escort. I'm guessing that isn't a personal number, just a general one for some of the escorts.. :S

From the news reports I've seen there hasn't been any mention of him working for a professional escort agency but they did mention the strip club in Toronto he was working at, by name, so I'm betting he wasn't affiliated with an agency but was working as an independent.

I'm really wondering if his that was his cellphone and they spoke with him in France. Keeping it active and talking with callers sounds like something he'd do and I recall a news article saying the police were trying to track him via his cell.

[Beradon]

Hopefully the French will send in the same shoot-first SWAT team that took out the racist army/kindergarten killer earlier this year. That way nobody needs concern theirself with giving him a trial. He doesn't deserve fair treatment anyway. Just dispose of the trash.I rather some anonymous donor would put up a bounty for the death of this scumbag. If the death arises from torture captured on video even better. Otherwise I'll settle for his incarceration but he has to be imprisoned with other inmates not in isolation.

[kabza]

Here he is posted a video of himself on the internet please and praying they catch him by tommorow morning



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnpjGcsuuVY


:cry:

dude that video is old as hell. :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

[ottofly]

Arrested in Berlin @ a cybercafe. From Bild newspaper on Twitter not sure how true it is.

http://inagist.com/all/209652505964052481/

Edit. Looks like it's true.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/06/04/luka-rocco-magnotta-arrested-in-berlin-german-report-says/

[45ED]

Arrested in Berlin @ a cybercafe. From Bild newspaper on Twitter not sure how true it is.

http://inagist.com/all/209652505964052481/

Edit. Looks like it's true.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/06/04/luka-rocco-magnotta-arrested-in-berlin-german-report-says/

A cybercafe? Huh...probably was checking out the media coverage of his case to satisfy his ego - that's my guess. Couldn't stay away from the machine that feeds his mind long enough to evade authorities and it got him.

[Simaahoy]

I think that video is actually old back when he was audtioning for cover guy.

Some germen media is reporting that he has been arrested.:-0


http://www.bild.de/news/inland/mord/porno-killer-in-berlin-gefasst-24481862.bild.html

Staying hopeful it get's picked up and verified by mainstream media.

Captured: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2012/06/04/montreal-magnotta-search.html verified by German police

[Shaner]

Apparently this guy has been arrested in Germany.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2012/06/04/montreal-magnotta-search.html

[manmanny]

Apparently this guy has been arrested in Germany.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2012/06/04/montreal-magnotta-search.html
yep. Just heard about this. Big headline on Huffpo.

[Shaner]

This case really shows that if you are wanted, the police will find you regardless of where you go. It's almost impossible to hide from authorities these days

[longitude]

Apparently this guy has been arrested in Germany.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2012/06/04/montreal-magnotta-search.html


yep. Just heard about this. Big headline on Huffpo.

So now he's back in the spotlight after the Eaton Center commotion!

Maybe he made it easy to capture him in Berlin?

[manmanny]

So now he's back in the spotlight after the Eaton Center commotion!

Maybe he made it easy to capture him in Berlin?

I dont think the guy was or is in right mind or he cared about getting caught.
Some sort of Criminal mind episode and attention hore in which way he can. Twisted person.

[yao416]

Mad props

[Drew87]

You can't mess with the German police lol - everyone should know that.

[manmanny]

This case really shows that if you are wanted, the police will find you regardless of where you go. It's almost impossible to hide from authorities these days

not true. There are many out not caught because of lazy cops and shoddy police work.

[iEyeCaptain]

hopefully somebody puts a big bratwurst in him.

oh wait he'll like that

and by "put" i mean feed him. as food.

This post is compliant with RFD OT rules.

[longitude]

Tell Berlin to send him back via post.

[Simaahoy]

Justice for Lin.

He was only caught because the internet cafe owner saw Luca searching himself up on the internet and then recognized him.

[iEyeCaptain]

This fella is Linsane.

[shingor6]

Tell Berlin to send him back via post.

I would also add small parcel post


I hope he goes to jail unlike Dr. Guy Turcotte who murdered both of his children using a knife.

[shingor6]

This fella is Linsane.

Don't say that, if he's insane, he will not go in jail.

[Evil Baby]

Justice for Lin.

He was only caught because the internet cafe owner saw Luca searching himself up on the internet and then recognized him.

LOL, that is classic.

Too bad there wasn't a way to have a fair secret trial so he doesn't get any more attention.

[gamer123]

what about the other packages?

[45ED]

what about the other packages?

No info yet. Presumably that's one of the questions he'll be asked when he's returned. That is, if LE doesn't go there and ask him first.

[ItechJester]

This case really shows that if you are wanted, the police will find you regardless of where you go. It's almost impossible to hide from authorities these days

ok, but they caught the guy because he used his canadian cell phone in france.... then went to an internet cafe where he then searched himself online and was recognized by the cafe owner.... not a whole lot of groundbreaking detective work was required to be honest.

this guy was insane. didn't really know how to stay hidden. osama bin laden, and the worlds most wanted list disagrees with you.


he won't see prison, he's insane. we will feed him and treat him and take care of him because that's how canada is

[kaydees]

From the news reports I've seen there hasn't been any mention of him working for a professional escort agency but they did mention the strip club in Toronto he was working at, by name, so I'm betting he wasn't affiliated with an agency but was working as an independent.

I'm really wondering if his that was his cellphone and they spoke with him in France. Keeping it active and talking with callers sounds like something he'd do and I recall a news article saying the police were trying to track him via his cell.

Well I just skyped it and someone answered and said hello twice.. so looks like it wasn't his. It is still for some escort service though as someone posted a youtube video of them calling it and pretending to discuss rates.

[ever1221]

mad props to german police, unlike our officers who couldn't catch the eaton centre shooter after couple of days. Instead, the shooter turned himself in, probably after getting bored...question, why are our police officers most paid compared to any country in the world?

[45ED]

ok, but they caught the guy because he used his canadian cell phone in france.... then went to an internet cafe where he then searched himself online and was recognized by the cafe owner.... not a whole lot of groundbreaking detective work was required to be honest.

this guy was insane. didn't really know how to stay hidden. osama bin laden, and the worlds most wanted list disagrees with you.


he won't see prison, he's insane. we will feed him and treat him and take care of him because that's how canada is

...yeah, no. He's "insane" (colloquial), I agree, but I don't think he's the kind of insane that will find him "not criminally responsible".

[SCEvan]

Heard about him getting caught on the radio, very good news! Should send him to a Chinese prison! :cheesygri

[konfusion666]

mad props to german police, unlike our officers who couldn't catch the eaton centre shooter after couple of days. Instead, the shooter turned himself in, probably after getting bored...question, why are our police officers most paid compared to any country in the world?

Don't think the two can be compared...

One was a psycho, the other was a gang-banger. Gang-bangers are generally not psychos, and due to being professional criminals, know better than to use registered cellphones or public internet cafes, etc.

[ever1221]

Heard about him getting caught on the radio, very good news! Should send him to a Chinese prison! :cheesygri

I'd rather see him go on trial in Germany than here...at least he will get what he deserves there.

[ever1221]

and due to being professional criminals, know better

holding the gun side ways does not make you a professional.

[Mrbj]

Heard about him getting caught on the radio, very good news! Should send him to a Chinese prison! :cheesygri

+1. Like USA wants their wanted people sent to them, I have no problem with sending this guy to China for trial.

[whampoa]

mad props to german police, unlike our officers who couldn't catch the eaton centre shooter after couple of days. Instead, the shooter turned himself in, probably after getting bored...question, why are our police officers most paid compared to any country in the world?

Did you just answered your own question?

[Simaahoy]

ok, but they caught the guy because he used his canadian cell phone in france.... then went to an internet cafe where he then searched himself online and was recognized by the cafe owner.... not a whole lot of groundbreaking detective work was required to be honest.

this guy was insane. didn't really know how to stay hidden. osama bin laden, and the worlds most wanted list disagrees with you.


he won't see prison, he's insane. we will feed him and treat him and take care of him because that's how canada is

I hope he isn't deemed criminally not responsible. He planned this out for months it appears and went on the run. Yes, this man is no doubt crazy but, he was aware of what he did was wrong.

[Wilmega]

Having gone through a number of years of schooling, I got the impression that most people were normal and pretty much like me. However, when I met up with people from a particular online site/forum (not RFD), I didn't realize how weird and different they were, and I mean that in a bad way. It was definitely a learning experience... an eye opener. There are some twisted, sick people out there, people with a dark side, that you can't discern just by looking at them physically. When I see foreign students dating locals, I wonder how much danger they are putting themselves in. If you're new to a place, you're naturally at a disadvantage because you're "a noob". There are people who naturally would want to take advantage of this. Anyways, I think we all should learn from this that we shouldn't be so darn naive.

Oh ya, when I was a kid growing up, I knew that Clifford Robert Olsen murdered kids. However, I never knew what he did to them. Thanks to press censorship, I thought he was "just a killer". It wasn't until decades later that I found out he did more than just kill them. Again, naivete. Are we doing anyone any favours by censoring?

What forum, the MISC? lol

[TheRock2012]

I find the cell phone bill the funniest:lol: He budgetted $100 for it but went to $1400.

"Magnotta's few assets included a 1995 Ford Explorer worth about $2,500, some furniture and personal effects, and a life insurance policy valued at $1,000 that names his mother as beneficiary.

Magnotta's list of debts of about $17,000 was far longer and includes:

- $800 to the City of Toronto for parking tickets.

- $500 owed to Bally's Total Fitness in Scarborough.

- $200 for unpaid toll charges on Highway 407.

- $1,400 in cell phone bills from Rogers and Bell Mobility.

- $2,500 on back rent for an apartment at 88 Erskin Avenue, in Toronto's Mount Pleasant area.

Also among the unsecured creditors was the Ontario Ministry of Community and Social Services, which was owed $1,030 for an unspecified debt...

His largest outstanding debt was $6,882 owed to an auto-leasing company in Burnaby, B.C.

The monthly budget Magnotta submitted to the court listed $925 for rent, $100 for food, $20 for cigarettes and $100 for a telephone... "
Source: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Luka+Magnotta+bankruptcy+filing+reveals+life+lacki ng+glamour/6727237/story.html

[iEyeCaptain]

Why is this relevant?

[zoober]

So I watched "the video" the day this story broke. I just clicked through the timeline only seeing a second or two at a time and closed it after a few seconds.

After growing up with the internet and seeing all of the usual shock sites while still a young teenager, I didn't think that anything like this would really get to me. But boy, I was wrong. I had trouble sleeping for a few nights after seeing this and have been getting adrenaline bursts everytime I hear about the story. I don't think that I've ever been traumatized like that before.

As sick to my stomach and stressed this made me over the last week, one thing it has given me is a new understanding of just how broken these psychopaths are. For someone to actually do that in person and not ball up and cry in the corner takes a really robotic mind. These aren't "sick" people that commit these acts, they're completely broken. Massive amounts of testing in order to detect whatever kind of brain malfunction leads to this behavior would be great.

I'll never look at someone that mistreats animals the same way again.

Just had to get all that off my chest. Watching the video was a poor choice that has caused me quite a bit of grief. But at the same time, people need to know just how inhuman guys like this are.

[45ED]

ok, but they caught the guy because he used his canadian cell phone in france.... then went to an internet cafe where he then searched himself online and was recognized by the cafe owner.... not a whole lot of groundbreaking detective work was required to be honest.

this guy was insane. didn't really know how to stay hidden. osama bin laden, and the worlds most wanted list disagrees with you.


he won't see prison, he's insane. we will feed him and treat him and take care of him because that's how canada is

Mostly this. Not so much the first part.


Montreal police spokesman Ian Lafreniere said at an afternoon news conference that Magnotta’s fingerprints matched his Interpol profile. How long the extradition will take isn’t yet clear, Lafreniere said.

Lafreniere couldn’t resist commenting on the irony of Magnotta lured to an Internet café by his lust for publicity about himself.

“We knew and always said that he used the web to glorify himself,” Lafreniere said. “It was also the web that led to his arrest.”

Kadir Anlayisli, who works at the Internet café on Karl Marx Strasse in the Neukolln district of Berlin, spotted Magnotta, the subject of an international manhunt, when he walked in.

Anlayisli, 42, told a Turkish-language newspaper in Germany that he recognized Magnotta immediately.

The fugitive sat at the Number 25 terminal and started reading stories about himself.

“He was wearing sunglasses for a while, but I was sure that he was the wanted man,” Anlayisli said.

The cybercafé employee flagged down a police car on the street and several officers converged on the shop.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1205451--luka-rocco-magnotta-caught-in-berlin-report?bn=1

The cafe clerk apparently has a Facebook page. So for those wishing to send their regards, seek him and drop a post:


“You are a hero in many eyes,” Rachel Montgomery of Ottawa posted on Anlayisli’s Facebook site. Thanks and congratulations were arriving from around the world for the Internet café clerk.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1205451--luka-rocco-magnotta-caught-in-berlin-report?bn=1

[trixstar]

Tell Berlin to send him back via post.

what would be the insurable value of the package?

[45ED]

what would be the insurable value of the package?

Trick question -- you only insure packages that have value.

[Tornado F2]

This case really shows that if you are wanted, the police will find you regardless of where you go. It's almost impossible to hide from authorities these days

Especially when he was "hiding" in plain sight in major European cities, full of skilled police and advanced surveillance systems, with gazillions of photos and videos of himself self-posted all over the internet. Had he had more sense he would have jetted off to some less-developed, more crowded corner of the world, like Cairo, Calcutta, Bangkok... Somewhere where they'd hopefully have shown him real justice once they eventually found him.

[saint2e]

what would be the insurable value of the package?

An arm and a leg.

*rimshot*

[Tornado F2]

Tell Berlin to send him back via post.

In pieces. One after another after another after another...

Better yet, ship the pieces to China.

[Tornado F2]

Heard about him getting caught on the radio, very good news! Should send him to a Chinese prison! :cheesygri

China doesn't need prisons for his type of crime.

Now I see why their economy is doing so well.

[Tornado F2]

So I watched "the video" the day this story broke. I just clicked through the timeline only seeing a second or two at a time and closed it after a few seconds.

After growing up with the internet and seeing all of the usual shock sites while still a young teenager, I didn't think that anything like this would really get to me. But boy, I was wrong. I had trouble sleeping for a few nights after seeing this and have been getting adrenaline bursts everytime I hear about the story. I don't think that I've ever been traumatized like that before.

As sick to my stomach and stressed this made me over the last week, one thing it has given me is a new understanding of just how broken these psychopaths are. For someone to actually do that in person and not ball up and cry in the corner takes a really robotic mind. These aren't "sick" people that commit these acts, they're completely broken. Massive amounts of testing in order to detect whatever kind of brain malfunction leads to this behavior would be great.

I'll never look at someone that mistreats animals the same way again.

Just had to get all that off my chest. Watching the video was a poor choice that has caused me quite a bit of grief. But at the same time, people need to know just how inhuman guys like this are.

And then we look to the left and see your avatar, apparently with blood around the mouth. Looks like we'll be discussing your crimes on here someday.

http://forums.redflagdeals.com/image.php?u=70600&dateline=1221237056

(zoober's avatar)

I really hope they've removed all instances of that video by now. NOBODY should be watching it. That's how these perverted and demented ideas spread.

[Tijuana]

Has anyone mentioned about how he and Hamolka were allegedly together... I probably wouldn't doubt that she had something to do with it...

[UrbanPoet]

Good. That was a fairly prompt arrest considering he fled the country to evade police.

[45ED]

Has anyone mentioned about how he and Hamolka were allegedly together... I probably wouldn't doubt that she had something to do with it...

Many, many, many posts back. It was also brought up - here and in articles - that the person who seeded the rumour was likely to be Magnotta himself. You know, to feed his ego and self importance, he inserts himself into a story to gain media attention.

[Simaahoy]

le Mugshot Bye Bye Loser: He will not walk the streets again:!:


https://p.twimg.com/AukdLjnCEAAvVlF.jpg

[zoober]

I really hope they've removed all instances of that video by now. NOBODY should be watching it. That's how these perverted and demented ideas spread.

It will never be gone. They can't remove it. The day the news broke, there were literally hundreds of copies of it uploaded to YouTube itself.

[TheRock2012]

le Mugshot Bye Bye Loser: He will not walk the streets again:!:


https://p.twimg.com/AukdLjnCEAAvVlF.jpg

Vincent Lee is walking the streets(with a ankle brace), if he did you probably wouldn't know it. He's a chameleon. I am surprised he got as far as Germany(crossed the Canadian port of exit) out from Toronto.

[appleb]

Has anyone mentioned about how he and Hamolka were allegedly together... I probably wouldn't doubt that she had something to do with it...

He only bragged that they were together in some internet posting. She probably doesn't even know who he is.

[Tornado F2]

It will never be gone. They can't remove it. The day the news broke, there were literally hundreds of copies of it uploaded to YouTube itself.

It was actually on YouTube? I would have hoped they screened against showing this type of stuff. As I said several days ago, I have no interest in seeing this video. I don't even want to hear about it. Yet even I seem to know at least one terrible and disgusting detail that nobody else I know is aware of - unquestionably from reading this thread. It would be terrible if somebody completely unprepared came across the video - especially a kid.

As you say, videos like this will give viewers nightmares at best, and quite possibly far worse. You have to wonder if the Homolka coverage, heavily censored as it was, opened the door a bit further to future crimes like this, and now this one, with the aid of the internet, pushes us even further along an unwanted path towards an even more dangerous future. How I miss my own childhood (not all that long ago) when The Bomb seemed to be our only real concern - and that wasn't worth worrying about since everything would probably be over in, literally, a flash. It made for some good songs in the '80s though. :) (99 Red Balloons, Red Sky At Night, Forever Young, It's A Mistake, etc).

[Tornado F2]

Vincent Lee is walking the streets(with a ankle brace), if he did you probably wouldn't know it. He's a chameleon. I am surprised he got as far as Germany(crossed the Canadian port of exit) out from Toronto.

I've said it before about Homolka, and I'll say it again - sick predatory killers like this should be branded as such right across the forehead, so that should they ever find themselves back in society (though how that ever happens is a crime in itself) they will be readily identifiable as such. Sadly even if they did do that, there would be plenty of idiots out there getting the same branding done just for fun, thinking it's "cool". :facepalm: We really need to find an isolated island somewhere where we can ship all the degenerates off to, well away from decent society, with no way back. Something like Tasmania was in the early 1800s.

[Simaahoy]

http://www.globalmontreal.com/video/raw+video+security+camera+captures+magnotta+arrest/video.html?v=2242225799&p=1&s=dd#video

[Tornado F2]

http://www.globalmontreal.com/video/raw+video+security+camera+captures+magnotta+arrest/video.html?v=2242225799&p=1&s=dd#video

This had better not be that terrible murder video...

[Simaahoy]

This had better not be that terrible murder video...

Him being arrested by German cadets.

[Tornado F2]

Him being arrested by German cadets.

A label usually helps. ;)

Cadets, huh? Hopefully he didn't get too much enjoyment out of that. I would have preferred for them to send in a couple of burly fraus to sort him out. :lol:

Like these no-nonsense ladies from the Austrian police:

http://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceout.gif

[divx]

phew, this is finally over

[Tornado F2]

phew, this is finally over

Not nearly. The police need to fully investigate the crimes they know of. Check for ones they're not ware of. Prepare their case. Return him. Try him. Incarcerate him. Look after him for the rest of his life. (Which might be a LONG time). Possibly have to monitor him if he ever (God help us!) gets released.

Far better to just ship him off to China and be done with it.

[longitude]

Him being arrested by German cadets.

always ze Germans!

[longitude]

phew, this is finally over

nope.

how long will it take to extradite him?
once he arrives in Canada, how long to begin the trial?
what jail will he be sent to?
will shaner deal with him?

this is just the beginning...

[dsg512]

Why are criminals so dumb? This guy did a lot of stupid things that led to him getting caught, even considering the fact he apparently craves attention.

I don't get it. If it were me I'd go somewhere far away, outside the West, and lay low and inconspicuous for a month or more until the heat cooled off.

[fastlayne]

I hope a Youtube video is posted, from one of the Internet Cafe users, of his takedown in Berlin.

I would love to see the expression on his face as the GSG 9 rushed him. And if he wet and soiled himself, at the sight of the assault rifles, all the better!

[Kingmoo]

Not nearly. The police need to fully investigate the crimes they know of. Check for ones they're not ware of. Prepare their case. Return him. Try him. Incarcerate him. Look after him for the rest of his life. (Which might be a LONG time). Possibly have to monitor him if he ever (God help us!) gets released.

Far better to just ship him off to China and be done with it.

you forgot:
-release him
-make a movie

[Tornado F2]

Tell Berlin to send him back via post.

Then Return-To-Sender. :lol:


BTW, shame he wasn't hiding out at the Eaton Centre food court on Sunday. Wouldn't that be karma if a bullet found him there instead of one of the innocent bystanders. (Or even the intended victim). :)

[Tornado F2]

you forgot:
-release him
-make a movie

Movie? God, no! Not even if he's kept behind bars forever. He should ideally NEVER be mentioned again. Just forget all about the creep and let the justice system (hopefully) handle the rest. It's according recognition to the likes of this loser that ensures we'll get more like him in the future. Better to just end the cycle right now.

[Tornado F2]

Why are criminals so dumb? This guy did a lot of stupid things that led to him getting caught, even considering the fact he apparently craves attention.

I don't get it. If it were me I'd go somewhere far away, outside the West, and lay low and inconspicuous for a month or more until the heat cooled off.

I did mention that earlier. Then hopefully he'd be the recipient of 3rd World justice. In some cases, like this one, they may actually be better than us.

[hdom]

Was reading an article about his background and this guy has no money. Where is he getting the money enough to buy a tix to europe ?? I am guessing, it was another Chinese student killed for money again.

I hope the Germans make the right decision and not prolong the extradition.

[konfusion666]

http://www.globalmontreal.com/video/raw+video+security+camera+captures+magnotta+arrest/video.html?v=2242225799&p=1&s=dd#video


I hope a Youtube video is posted, from one of the Internet Cafe users, of his takedown in Berlin.

I would love to see the expression on his face as the GSG 9 rushed him. And if he wet and soiled himself, at the sight of the assault rifles, all the better!

Sima's link is the raw security camera footage of the Murderer being arrested. It isn't like how I'd visualize a takedown. A bunch of army guys who look like they're off-duty (no weapons in hands) casually walk in and escort him out. He does appear to have hand-cuffs on though. Also, Murderer was in the cafe for about 1h 45min before the army guys arrived.

[CheeseDie]

Was reading an article about his background and this guy has no money. Where is he getting the money enough to buy a tix to europe ?? I am guessing, it was another Chinese student killed for money again.

I hope the Germans make the right decision and not prolong the extradition.

Naw... probably the same place where broke people get iPones... credit cards!

not like he has to worry about collections calling him in Berlin! :D

[kaydees]

Why are criminals so dumb? This guy did a lot of stupid things that led to him getting caught, even considering the fact he apparently craves attention.

I don't get it. If it were me I'd go somewhere far away, outside the West, and lay low and inconspicuous for a month or more until the heat cooled off.

His plan was never to hide and make everyone forget about him... he wanted publicity. If you search him on google (well before this incident) you would find several websites and forum posts about him but all were created by him... One example of his posts is where he said he got Luka Magnotta's autograph :facepalm:
http://www.fanmail.biz/mboard/viewtopic.php?f=128&t=229716

[divx]

this guy is so obviously guilty why waste time in court? just hang him somewhere and be done with it.

[nosnoop]

mad props to german police, unlike our officers who couldn't catch the eaton centre shooter after couple of days.

Hmm.... none of the police force was anywhere close to catching him! I don't think the Germans even know he was in their country!
It was all the work of an alert citizen - ironically, it's LRM himself led to his own undoing as he managed to get this case so widely known that even the German citizen can recognize his face.


phew, this is finally over

Toronto Star reported that his extradition could take years as there is no formal Canada-Germany Extradition treaty.
It is likely to be kept in the headlines for years to come, especially after every expected delay of the extradition.

[Tornado F2]

Naw... probably the same place where broke people get iPones... credit cards!

not like he has to worry about collections calling him in Berlin! :D

Shouldn't the police have frozen all his financial accounts? Unless perhaps they were using them to track him.

[Tornado F2]

Hmm.... none of the police force was anywhere close to catching him! I don't think the Germans even know he was in their country!
It was all the work of an alert citizen - ironically, it's LRM himself led to his own undoing as he managed to get this case so widely known that even the German citizen can recognize his face.



Toronto Star reported that his extradition could take years as there is no formal Canada-Germany Extradition treaty.
It is likely to be kept in the headlines for years to come, especially after every expected delay of the extradition.

The Germans won't want to keep him. They'll likely create a treaty ASAP just to get rid of him.

As for the arrest, he probably called the internet guy over and said "Hey, doesn't this guy look like me!" :D

[Tornado F2]

this guy is so obviously guilty why waste time in court? just hang him somewhere and be done with it.

That would be a waste of rope.

[nosnoop]

The Germans won't want to keep him. They'll likely create a treaty ASAP just to get rid of him.

It's not what the Germans want (who would want to keep this guy?); it is the legal loopholes that LRM can take advantage of to delay the extradition (if he wants to).
Or maybe he wants to fly "home" right away, who knows?

It took 10 years to extradite Karl Heinz Schreiber from Canada to Germany. This could potentially be a reverse of what could happen.

[Tornado F2]

It's not what the Germans want (who would want to keep this guy?); it is the legal loopholes that LRM can take advantage of to delay the extradition (if he wants to).
Or maybe he wants to fly "home" right away, who knows?

It took 10 years to extradite Karl Heinz Schreiber from Canada to Germany. This could potentially be a reverse of what could happen.

Perhaps we could do a Mulroney-for-LRM trade? Sounds about even overall.

Edit: Oh, right, Mulroney gave Germany Canadian taxpayers' money too.

So they can use that to keep him in one of their prisons. Solved.

[sandikosh]

this guy is so obviously guilty why waste time in court? just hang him somewhere and be done with it.

Hang him? I say we skin him alive!

[Tornado F2]

Hang him? I say we skin him alive!

Now the seal hunters can justify their existence in the eyes of the Europeans.

(I don't supporting abuse of seals btw, but this creep...).

[Simaahoy]

According to a post on this blog, Magnotta was crying at the back of the plane during his flight to paris. Guess he will be crying in jail sob http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-greet011.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

http://www.misterbitch.net/article-le-depeceur-106389696.html


Samedi 26 Mai, AIR TRANSAT, nous sommes crevés, il est tard, 15 jours intenses et fatiguants.
On s'installe dans l'avion, il y a trois places par rangée, une place est vide a coté du hublot.
On espère secrètement être seuls avec mon chéri.

Le dernier passager entre dans l'avion, il porte un tshirt Mickey, un pantalon kaki, entre 25 et 30 ans, il est grand, un look d'ado, un mec androgyne , les cheveux longs et les yeux clairs, je le place dans la catégorie gay extraterrestre.

On espère secrètement qu'il ne va pas s'asseoir à coté de nous, raté!
Sans un mot, il se place devant notre rangée, on se lève, il passe devant nous en nous collant.
Je ne fais plus attention à lui, on décolle, il se tourne, dos à nous et dort, il est bloqué entre le hublot et nous.
Il pue

Le vol est long, je m'endors, je me réveille quand le mec nous enjambe rapidement, sans s'excuser, je n'arrive plus à dormir.
Quand il reprend sa place, je le trouve agité, je me dis qu'il a peur en avion, Mon copain dort.

L'hôtesse nous apporte notre plateau repas, elle nous laisse celui du jeune homme qui est à nouveau dos à nous et qui s'est rendormi, c'est un plat froid, on décide de ne pas le reveiller .
Quand il se reveille mon copain lui dit en Français qu'on lui a laissé son repas, il ne comprend pas, "it's your lunch" je dis en coupant court, "no thanks" il dit.
ok, on le jette.

Je le trouve de plus en plus agité, stressé.
Il se lève, on se lève, on le laisse passer.

Je suis toujours un peu parano en avion, au bout d'une demi heure le mec n'est pas revenu, je me dis qu'il place une bombe dans les chiottes, j'arrête un hôtesse, "euh, je ne sais pas ou se trouve notre voisin de vol" je dis.
"il n'est pas bien", elle me le montre dans le fond de l'avion, sur des sièges sans voyageur, il pleure.
Il à peur en avion, je me dis.

il est 12 h20 le dimanche quand on arrive sur Paris, je veux fumer, oublie le mec et saute dans les bras de 7h48 qui est venue me chercher en voiture.


...


Jeudi soir je suis sur Perpignan, mon mec me téléphone et me demande de regarder les informations à la télé.
Un Canadien a tué, dépecé, mangé et violé son amant tout en diffusant la scène sur internet.
Ce Canadien est recherché par interpol.
Ce Canadien ressemble étrangement à notre voisin de vol de retour.

Je regarde la photo d'interpol sur internet, les traits du visage ressemblent étrangement à notre voisin de vol, mais pas la coupe de cheveux.
Je tape donc son nom sur google image, et trouve des looks très différents, une photo ou il arbore les cheveux longs.
La ressemblance est troublante.

On décide de prévenir la police.
On a passé trois jours au téléphone avec, gendarmes, policiers, interpol puis le ministère de l'intérieur qui nous convoque aujourd'hui, Lundi à 15 heures, pour une audition.

J'ai quand même un doute, il ressemble à la photo, mais une semaine est passé et la coupe de cheveux ne correspond pas et je me dis que c'est juste improbable et surréaliste qu'un tueur soit placé dans un avion à coté de nous, ce jour là, ce vol là et que ça tombe sur nous.

Après ma déposition on me montre des photos, une photo d'un homme à l'aéroport de Paris CDG, 13H00, il porte un tshirt Mickey, il a les cheveux longs, un pantalon Kaki.
C'est lui.

J'ai voyagé plus de 6 heures à coté de LUKA ROCCO MAGNOTTA.

...

Je me permets ce soir d'écrire cet article car le tueur vient d'être retrouvé et arrêté à Berlin.
Ça donne froid dans le dos.

[45ED]

Now the seal hunters can justify their existence in the eyes of the Europeans.

(I don't supporting abuse of seals btw, but this creep...).

I know you guys like to fancy his end - serious or just commiserating - but remember: this isn't going to happen anytime soon. As someone noted from the Star article, it might take upwards of two (2) years (or even longer) just to get the guy from Germany back to Canada. And that's assuming he fights it.

And THEN it's a matter of getting the case into the system and having it wind its way through the system before being slotted into a trial. And THEN you have to find a jury.

That jury part and beyond will take a relatively short time. But everything before that - extraditing him to Canada, winding through the system - will take a long while. If he fights/causes disruptions and delays in Canada as he might in Germany - even longer. Given everything discussed thus far, my impression is that it might easily take 4 years for this thing to get to trial.

If we're lucky, something might expedite the process - but it will not be a quick case, that's for sure.

[Tornado F2]

I know you guys like to fancy his end - serious or just commiserating - but remember: this isn't going to happen anytime soon. As someone noted from the Star article, it might take upwards of two (2) years (or even longer) just to get the guy from Germany back to Canada. And that's assuming he fights it.

And THEN it's a matter of getting the case into the system and having it wind its way through the system before being slotted into a trial. And THEN you have to find a jury.

That jury part and beyond will take a relatively short time. But everything before that - extraditing him to Canada, winding through the system - will take a long while. If he fights/causes disruptions and delays in Canada as he might in Germany - even longer. Given everything discussed thus far, my impression is that it might easily take 4 years for this thing to get to trial.

If we're lucky, something might expedite the process - but it will not be a quick case, that's for sure.

I think by this point it's impossible for him to get a fair trial in Canada. We all know he's as guilty as sin. So let's stick with my initial solution - ship him off to China and let them deal with him. It was one of their citizens that he harmed, in an utterly disgusting way. Let Germany extradite him to them.

[45ED]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXmqF0YrJ-o&feature=player_embedded

via
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1205451--luka-rocco-magnotta-caught-in-berlin-report?bn=1

[LostInTruth]

I think by this point it's impossible for him to get a fair trial in Canada. We all know he's as guilty as sin. So let's stick with my initial solution - ship him off to China and let them deal with him. It was one of their citizens that he harmed, in an utterly disgusting way. Let Germany extradite him to them.

No, they wouldn't be able to send him to China, because they have the death penalty - and I don't believe Germany extradites people where the death penalty is in place.

[wal3145]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXmqF0YrJ-o&feature=player_embedded

via
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1205451--luka-rocco-magnotta-caught-in-berlin-report?bn=1

That was dramatic!

[45ED]

That was dramatic!

Aye. Although to others, the cut footage might seem uneventful, the time stamp of the footage indicates that Magnotta was there for over an hour and a half.

How nervewracking it must've been for the guy to keep his cool, knowing the guy was in the cafe, and yet trying his best to alert the authorities without alerting Magnotta.

[Tornado F2]

No, they wouldn't be able to send him to China, because they have the death penalty - and I don't believe Germany extradites people where the death penalty is in place.

Set him free then, on a "technicality". Wait until he arrives in a suitable destination. Then nab him.

[Tornado F2]

Aye. Although to others, the cut footage might seem uneventful, the time stamp of the footage indicates that Magnotta was there for over an hour and a half.

How nervewracking it must've been for the guy to keep his cool, knowing the guy was in the cafe, and yet trying his best to alert the authorities without alerting Magnotta.

Good job he wasn't one of those "new Canadians", too scared to phone the police.

[Tornado F2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXmqF0YrJ-o&feature=player_embedded

via
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1205451--luka-rocco-magnotta-caught-in-berlin-report?bn=1

Hooray, at least two frauleins were involved in the arrest.

"Eek! Girls! I surrender, I surrender!" :lol:

As for the "left with a man with outstanding physique" bit, shame this wasn't the outcome of that:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uPa18uFpI-8

[Kunman]

LOL the german cadets look very lost and confused

[45ED]

Hooray, at least two frauleins were involved in the arrest.

"Eek! Girls! I surrender, I surrender!" :lol:

As for the "left with a man with outstanding physique" bit, shame this wasn't the outcome of that:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uPa18uFpI-8

Now you brought it up, I hope this guy's okay. Wasn't Jun Lin described as being kind of fit/healthy himself? Wonder if Magnotta has a "type" when it comes to men...

[dragon_drift]

wow the Germans are swift. great job

[Tornado F2]

Canadians will never again be able to travel Europe the way they used to do, proudly displaying the Maple Leaf. This "Canadian psycho" has ruined that forever. Now we'll be regarded just like the Yanks when we travel.

[ever1221]

The ultimate winner of both this case and eaton centre was the canadian police, they are true heros...first the germans catch this guy in couple of hours, then the eaton centre case the shooter probably got so bored of waiting for the police to capture him then decided to turn himself in


shame on our police officers, you should be ashamed of yourselves seriously.

[Simaahoy]

The ultimate winner of both this case and eaton centre was the canadian police, they are true heros...first the germans catch this guy in couple of hours, then the eaton centre case the shooter probably got so bored of waiting for the police to capture him then decided to turn himself in


shame on our police officers, you should be ashamed of yourselves seriously.

Always blaming the police right? Toronto Police Services has stated that they knew the shooter is and they can't just arrest the shooter without having evidence against him. Which includes gathering eye witness accounts and etc. Montreal police have done everything in there power to get Luka captured and German police (cadets) didn't know who he was when they arrested him and relied on the tip given to them.

[Tornado F2]

German police (cadets) didn't know who he was when they arrested him and relied on the tip given to them.

I suspect they did. The hunt was on for him, and all police on the continent will have had some idea who to look for.

What they didn't know is how much of a threat he might have been to them. As luck would have it, he was unarmed and their sheer numbers likely convinced him to surrender. Had he been a hardened terrorist though, with a weapon, the outcome could have been much worse. In that case they would have been wiser just to seal off the area and call in SWAT. The fact that they just went in, once they had sufficient numbers, shows that they knew what to expect.

[BongoBong]

Canadians will never again be able to travel Europe the way they used to do, proudly displaying the Maple Leaf. This "Canadian psycho" has ruined that forever. Now we'll be regarded just like the Yanks when we travel.

I doubt what one lone and obviously messed up individual has done is going to alter how everyone looks at all Canadians traveling abroad.

[Tornado F2]

I doubt what one lone and obviously messed up individual has done is going to alter how everyone looks at all Canadians traveling abroad.

We'll see, but all the publicity surrounding this isn't going to help. Especially when they heard about the Eaton Centre shooting the same weekend. Canadians have always had a good reputation around the world, but there's no guarantee that will last. Nor should it really. As we see more and more, we have some truly deviant and evil people living among us.

As for this "individual", we'd best wait for the police verdict on that one. Presumably he did act alone, but he might have an accomplice/s, just like Bernardo/Homolka. With his desire for self-publicity, he might have drawn like-minded types to his cause. Check out his online photos and see if anybody else shows up with him a lot, for starters.

[45ED]

I doubt what one lone and obviously messed up individual has done is going to alter how everyone looks at all Canadians traveling abroad.

+1000 If one individual were to be able to ruin the reputation of an entire nation's people, then Norway would be screwed. As it stands, our opinion of Norwegians hasn't changed. Nor is anyone else regarding Norway or Norwegians in a or any particularly bad light.

[Simaahoy]

I suspect they did. The hunt was on for him, and all police on the continent will have had some idea who to look for.

What they didn't know is how much of a threat he might have been to them. As luck would have it, he was unarmed and their sheer numbers likely convinced him to surrender. Had he been a hardened terrorist though, with a weapon, the outcome could have been much worse. In that case they would have been wiser just to seal off the area and call in SWAT. The fact that they just went in, once they had sufficient numbers, shows that they knew what to expect.

Imagine that: Starting you policing career with arresting the most wanted man in the world at the moment. Now that is cool.:lol:

[Tornado F2]

+1000 If one individual were to be able to ruin the reputation of an entire nation's people, then Norway would be screwed. As it stands, our opinion of Norwegians hasn't changed. Nor is anyone else regarding Norway or Norwegians in a or any particularly bad light.

I wouldn't be too sure about that. Norway had a very safe reputation before Brevik. (Hopefully mis-spelled. I hate to acknowledge killers).

[Tornado F2]

Imagine that: Starting you policing career with arresting the most wanted man in the world at the moment. Now that is cool.:lol:

Are you sure they were all cadets? Surely their basic training should have been to secure the perimeter call in a more senior officer before acting, especially in the middle of Berlin with plenty of experienced officers nearby. They did have access to at least one communications device didn't they?

[Simaahoy]

Are you sure they were all cadets? Surely their basic training should have been to secure the perimeter call in a more senior officer before acting, especially in the middle of Berlin with plenty of experienced officers nearby. They did have access to at least one communications device didn't they?

I read that they were in training/cadets.


“You got me,” the Toronto-born Luka Rocco Magnotta admitted to a group of police officers-in-training that surrounded him at an Internet café in Berlin on Monday.
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1205451--luka-rocco-magnotta-caught-in-berlin-report

[Tornado F2]

I read that they were in training/cadets.


http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1205451--luka-rocco-magnotta-caught-in-berlin-report

Sounds like a breach of basic procedure then. While the outcome was ultimately positive, I doubt that a promotion's on its way. It's not like there was a house on fire forcing them to act straight away. They should have called in experienced leadership first.

[Simaahoy]

http://www.lapresse.ca/le-droit/actualites/justice-et-faits-divers/201206/04/01-4531582-arrestation-de-magnotta-des-liens-routiniers-avec-le-dossier-de-valerie-leblanc.php

Magnotta arrest: "links routine" with the record of Valerie Leblanc
Gatineau police said conducting "routine links" between the murder of Valerie Leblanc and that of Chinese murdered by the now famous Luka Rocco Magnotta.

"Nothing leads us to believe that this man is connected (the murder of Valerie Leblanc)," said Sergeant John Paul LeMay, the Gatineau police.

The only element that leads investigators to Gatineau to recheck certain aspects of the case Leblanc is the treatment of his corpse. The young student at the Cégep de l'Outaouais was killed and burned in the woods behind the pavilion Gabrielle-Roy, last summer.

Luka Rocco Magnotta was arrested in Berlin on Monday for the murder and dismemberment of a student from China, last week in Montreal.

The sketch of the witness sought in the folder Leblanc has no resemblance to Magnotta. The latter is more athletic than the man with the limping gait sighted near the Cégep de l'Outaouais, after the murder of the young Valerie Leblanc.

http://www.lapresse.ca/le-droit/actualites/justice-et-faits-divers/201206/04/01-4531582-arrestation-de-magnotta-des-liens-routiniers-avec-le-dossier-de-valerie-leblanc.php

[newt_101]

Curiosity just got the better of me and I saw the video.
Even fast-forwarding through most of it, I now feel as if I'm going to throw up.

How a human is capable of doing what I saw to another human is something I can't even think of comprehending.
I'm not a religious man, but God save us.

[saint2e]

The ultimate winner of both this case and eaton centre was the canadian police, they are true heros...first the germans catch this guy in couple of hours, then the eaton centre case the shooter probably got so bored of waiting for the police to capture him then decided to turn himself in


shame on our police officers, you should be ashamed of yourselves seriously.

Yes, shame on you, police officers!

Not only should you have been able to predict that a killer had killed someone, dismembered their corpse, and sent out pieces via the post BEFORE they actually reached their destinations, you should have circumvented police procedure, taken the law into your own hands, and arrested some guy you had no idea about for the crime based on conjecture and vague intuition. What WERE you thinking?

And how dare you take upwards of 48 hours to have a suspect arrested/charged for a shooting! How DARE you actually collect evidence, and improve your chances of a jury actually convicting a murderer, and not just arrest the first guy that happens to look good for something on a lark?

For shame!

[saint2e]

Curiosity just got the better of me and I saw the video.
Even fast-forwarding through most of it, I now feel as if I'm going to throw up.

How a human is capable of doing what I saw to another human is something I can't even think of comprehending.
I'm not a religious man, but God save us.

I have a healthy amount of morbid curiousity in my, but even I do not want to subject myself to that. And so far I've been able to avoid it. The Internet has de-sensitized me, no doubt, but i have no desire to further de-sensitize myself.

[Tornado F2]

Secretary (opening parcel): "A foot? But we're the HEAD office!" :D

(I only joke because the killer is now caught. Everything about this terrible crime was and is sick. Especially the continued viewing of his evil videos).

[ever1221]

And how dare you take upwards of 48 hours to have a suspect arrested/charged for a shooting! How DARE you actually collect evidence, and improve your chances of a jury actually convicting a murderer, and not just arrest the first guy that happens to look good for something on a lark?

For shame!

evidence?

Just a reminder, shooting happened inside of the eaton centre not outside of it...am not sure if you were aware of the existence of cameras inside of the mall...it might be a shocker to you, but I can understand.

[BornRuff]

evidence?

Just a reminder, shooting happened inside of the eaton centre not outside of it...am not sure if you were aware of the existence of cameras inside of the mall...it might be a shocker to you, but I can understand.

It seems like the Toronto police handled this case quite well.

They determined that they could get him into custody without having to release his picture to the media, and in the end that is what happened. By doing so, they were able to get more statements from more of the hundreds of witnesses without contaminating their statements.

If you are going to try to establish not only that he killed the guy, but that it was premeditated, you are likely going to need more than just security footage. Who knows what is actually on the tapes that they do have anyways. A stronger case is never a bad thing.

[ItechJester]

Curiosity just got the better of me and I saw the video.
Even fast-forwarding through most of it, I now feel as if I'm going to throw up.

How a human is capable of doing what I saw to another human is something I can't even think of comprehending.
I'm not a religious man, but God save us.

I think everyone is curious, but not everyone can handle it. Even though I feel like I am strong enough to watch the video.... I would never. Simply out of respect for the deceased. I think it is a shame and disrespectful to the victim to be quite honest.

I sincerely hope people would stop watching it simply to respect the dead.

[newt_101]

I think everyone is curious, but not everyone can handle it. Even though I feel like I am strong enough to watch the video.... I would never. Simply out of respect for the deceased. I think it is a shame and disrespectful to the victim to be quite honest.

I sincerely hope people would stop watching it simply to respect the dead.

I felt as if I was strong too, as I consider myself quite desensitized due to all the diverse array of films I watch regularly.
However, this was a real person, not CGI, and I truly ask anyone who hasn't seen the vid, to just not click that 'big shiny red button' they may be curious to.

I agree, and feel quite bad to have allowed myself to be so.
Even just reading this thread, and seeing all the jokes/stupidities people make, followed by them trying to explain why their comments are OK, or just being oblivious to them is just so wrong.

[longitude]

Curiosity just got the better of me and I saw the video.
Even fast-forwarding through most of it, I now feel as if I'm going to throw up.

How a human is capable of doing what I saw to another human is something I can't even think of comprehending.
I'm not a religious man, but God save us.

If I understood correctly (I saw the video too), the video was edited by Magnotta himself; it doesn't show the exact moment when victim is murdered, only the aftermath (stabbing and defilement of body).

[saint2e]

It seems like the Toronto police handled this case quite well.

They determined that they could get him into custody without having to release his picture to the media, and in the end that is what happened. By doing so, they were able to get more statements from more of the hundreds of witnesses without contaminating their statements.

If you are going to try to establish not only that he killed the guy, but that it was premeditated, you are likely going to need more than just security footage. Who knows what is actually on the tapes that they do have anyways. A stronger case is never a bad thing.

Thank you for replying to that idiot so I didn't have to.

[manyapples]

If I understood correctly (I saw the video too), the video was edited by Magnotta himself; it doesn't show the exact moment when victim is murdered, only the aftermath (stabbing and defilement of body).

I was told by a buddy that he didn't show the actual killing because he wanted to sell that. The video we see is more of a preview. Absolutely disgusting, if true.

[appleb]

On Monday, more than a week later, he walked into the unassuming Helin Internet Spatkauf in Berlin’s working-class immigrant district of Neukoelln and started to surf Internet sites about himself.

Employee Kadir Anlayisli had also been looking at news reports about Magnotta, who police say killed Chinese student Jun Lin , 33, filmed the murder and then sent body parts through the mail.

“As he lifted his glasses, I thought right away, this is the guy they’re looking for . . . He had the kind of face you don’t forget,” said Anlayisli, 42, who described Magnotta’s gaze as “ice cold.”

Anlayisli directed him to a computer terminal, where he went online undisturbed for about an hour. Hesitant to phone the police for fear that he’d made a mistake, Anlayisli kept a close eye on the street with the intention of hailing a passing police car.

When he finally flagged down the van of young officers, “They looked at me like I was joking,” he said.

I think it would've been more prudent for these cadets in training to call in for some backup for this. Everyone knows he is part of a worldwide manhunt. He could have been possibly armed, he is aware of his exits and ready to bolt out the back door, maybe even take a hostage if cornered. They're very lucky he just gave up like a sissy. The outcome could've been much worse.

[Shaner]

I think it would've been more prudent for these cadets in training to call in for some backup for this. Everyone knows he is part of a worldwide manhunt. He could have been possibly armed, he is aware of his exits and ready to bolt out the back door, maybe even take a hostage if cornered. They're very lucky he just gave up like a sissy. The outcome could've been much worse.

Where did it say they were cadets in training? They were young cops, doesn't mean they aren't capable of making an arrest.

[Kingmoo]

I think it would've been more prudent for these cadets in training to call in for some backup for this. Everyone knows he is part of a worldwide manhunt. He could have been possibly armed, he is aware of his exits and ready to bolt out the back door, maybe even take a hostage if cornered. They're very lucky he just gave up like a sissy. The outcome could've been much worse.

I love how everyone has their own opinion on how German law enforcement should work.

Just maybe they were not 100% sure that they had the right guy and they figured they might as well just nab him while they can.

I don't know why everyone thinks cadets are not up to the job to catch a criminal. I would be more scared of cadets than professionals because they're probably more likely to error on the side of shooting you dead.

[longitude]

The point here is that the criminal could have reacted in a completely unexpected way, creating a dangerous situation that perhaps cadets wouldn't have the necessary experience to handle... Imagine cadets trying to subdue an al-qaeda operative rigged with explosives.

But they did the right thing and went it.

I like the video showing all those German cops entering the store, it looks like it's never going to end...... :D

My 2 cents.

[Simaahoy]

Where did it say they were cadets in training? They were young cops, doesn't mean they aren't capable of making an arrest.

It has been reported in the media that they were in training as I previously posted.

http://forums.redflagdeals.com/body-parts-being-deilivered-tory-head-office-1182857/22/#post14845171

[saint2e]

In this thread:

Everything worked out well! But it might not have! Let's dwell on that!

[Drew87]

All the media outlets are saying that he's not going to fight the extradition process and is willing to come back to Canada.

[Kingmoo]

All the media outlets are saying that he's not going to fight the extradition process and is willing to come back to Canada.

that's too bad. I was hoping he'd have a little more cell time with Hanz and Franz

[xXxRasxXx]

Let Germany send this man over to China... I hear the firing squad there could use some practice :)

[Tornado F2]

If I understood correctly (I saw the video too), the video was edited by Magnotta himself; it doesn't show the exact moment when victim is murdered, only the aftermath (stabbing and defilement of body).

If anybody else was involved in posting it then the police net is going to expand to round up any possible accomplices of his. Good to hear on the news that they'll be going after this moronic Edmonton website next for not taking this evil video down. Glad that I have no interest at all in watching it. As others have said, this is the murder of a real human being. I really can't understand how people actually want to watch something as sick and depraved as that. The obvious conclusion must be that they are sick and depraved too. And they're likely even worse afterward.

[Tornado F2]

Let Germany send this man over to China... I hear the firing squad there could use some practice :)

Forget firing squad. Hand him over to the Chinese equivalent of a sushi squad.

[Tornado F2]

I think it would've been more prudent for these cadets in training to call in for some backup for this. Everyone knows he is part of a worldwide manhunt. He could have been possibly armed, he is aware of his exits and ready to bolt out the back door, maybe even take a hostage if cornered. They're very lucky he just gave up like a sissy. The outcome could've been much worse.

That's what I was saying. Besides, even after arresting him, if they didn't follow procedure correctly - e.g. reading miranda rights in the States - he could have been allowed to walk on a technicality, crazy as that would be, or it could have jeopardised the case against him. If they were really in Berlin, and in a rough part at that, surely there must have been experienced officers nearby who could have taken charge of the situation.

[Simaahoy]

The owner of site, based in Edmonton, will most likely to be charged for hosting the video.


Montreal police are investigating the owner of the Best Gore website, which hosted a video of Luka Rocco Magnotta allegedly stabbing and dismembering Jun Lin, a 33-year-old Chinese national.

Police told CBC News there is a good possibility charges will be laid.

Asked about the video at a press conference Tuesday morning, Montreal police confirmed they are working with Edmonton police but declined at first to comment on possible charges.

But Commander Ian Lafreniere later told CBC News the charge could be publishing obscene material.

"We do have a video that was posted on the web. For us, we believe it's the right one, but now we have to prove it, so [there are] some legal issues also about this," Lafrenière told the press conference.

The site is owned by Edmonton-based Mark Marek, who has defended his website's role in the unfolding drama and says it provided a public service.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/06/05/pol-magnotta-best-gore-police.html

[Tornado F2]

The owner of site, based in Edmonton, will most likely to be charged for hosting the video.


http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/06/05/best-gore-website-will-most-likely-be-charged-for-graphic-dismemberment-video-police-say/

Not to mention the person's complete lack of morals and good taste. Investigate further and they'll likely root out some dark secrets of his own.

[UrbanPoet]

The owner of site, based in Edmonton, will most likely to be charged for hosting the video.


http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/06/05/best-gore-website-will-most-likely-be-charged-for-graphic-dismemberment-video-police-say/

How serious is that charge?


damn... I just read an article... and even that very blurred out picture gave me the creeps... They allowed some blood stained bed sheets to be shown.

[Simaahoy]

How serious is that charge?


damn... I just read an article... and even that very blurred out picture gave me the creeps... They allowed some blood stained bed sheets to be shown.

I just noticed it and deleted the link from my post and will replace with another new source. I just read the first few lines and didnt see it initially.

Sorry guys.

[nauru]

So how does the extradition work in practice? Will he be on a commercial flight, handcuffed to a guard, like that girl on Lost?

[Simaahoy]

So how does the extradition work in practice? Will he be on a commercial flight, handcuffed to a guard, like that girl on Lost?

I know that he will mostly likely be put on a commercial flight back to Montreal, that is how they usually deport people.

[UrbanPoet]

I just noticed it and deleted the link from my post and will replace with another new source. I just read the first few lines and didnt see it initially.

Sorry guys.

Well... It was from nationalpost after all. I don't blame ya.

ITs just me knowing what happened from the media... Then seeing seeing a screen cap was enough for me to associate the blurred out photo with the crime and all the acts that happened.
I don't know how some people out there could sit down and watch the real uncensored video.


So how does the extradition work in practice? Will he be on a commercial flight, handcuffed to a guard, like that girl on Lost?

I know that he will mostly likely be put on a commercial flight back to Montreal, that is how they usually deport people.


The RCMP has these "Air Police" Who go undercover on Canadian flights to ensure national security.
I can imagine one of those cops getting a call upstairs to escort this guy back to CAnada.

[konfusion666]

Just as long as he isn't on a standard passenger flight... a cargo plane should suffice.

[Tijuana]

lol. So if the video was never hosted.. when would we find out about this murder? Wasn't there someone from the states calling a bunch of police departments saying he thought there was a real murder video on the internet and maybe they should look into it? This guy shouldn't be charged, if anything he should be praised in some respect. because of him, it is certain that Magnotta was caught much earlier. It's actually really easy to not watch the video.. don't go to the website :facepalm:

It doesn't cause physical harm to anyone nor does it promote hatred to any race/colour/religion/creed/sexuality... so on what basis would you actually condemn someone...

[BornRuff]

lol. So if the video was never hosted.. when would we find out about this murder? Wasn't there someone from the states calling a bunch of police departments saying he thought there was a real murder video on the internet and maybe they should look into it? This guy shouldn't be charged, if anything he should be praised in some respect. because of him, it is certain that Magnotta was caught much earlier. It's actually really easy to not watch the video.. don't go to the website :facepalm:

It doesn't cause physical harm to anyone nor does it promote hatred to any race/colour/religion/creed/sexuality... so on what basis would you actually condemn someone...

The video had no significant role in alerting the police about the murder. If you recall, the guy started mailing body parts to various political party headquarters.

The person who received the video could have forwarded the video directly to law enforcement, along with all available information about who sent the video. Even if they didn't figure out what it was right away, it wouldn't have taken them long to connect all the dots.

The guy deserves no praise for using the death of an innocent man to gain attention and revenue for his site.

[Simaahoy]

lol. So if the video was never hosted.. when would we find out about this murder? Wasn't there someone from the states calling a bunch of police departments saying he thought there was a real murder video on the internet and maybe they should look into it? This guy shouldn't be charged, if anything he should be praised in some respect. because of him, it is certain that Magnotta was caught much earlier. It's actually really easy to not watch the video.. don't go to the website :facepalm:

It doesn't cause physical harm to anyone nor does it promote hatred to any race/colour/religion/creed/sexuality... so on what basis would you actually condemn someone...

Luka Magnotta was identified as a suspect long before the police linked the video to the murder. I can see the owner saying he didn't know it was real, but he still has it on his site and refused to remove it.

[Tijuana]

The video had no significant role in alerting the police about the murder. If you recall, the guy started mailing body parts to various political party headquarters.

The person who received the video could have forwarded the video directly to law enforcement, along with all available information about who sent the video. Even if they didn't figure out what it was right away, it wouldn't have taken them long to connect all the dots.

The guy deserves no praise for using the death of an innocent man to gain attention and revenue for his site.


Luka Magnotta was identified as a suspect long before the police linked the video to the murder. I can see the owner saying he didn't know it was real, but he still has it on his site and refused to remove it.

As I mentioned:

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1204015--luka-magnotta-toronto-police-admit-they-could-have-done-more-when-u-s-lawyer-flagged-disturbing-video


OTTAWA—Toronto police admit that “in hindsight” they should have acted differently when a Montana lawyer tried Sunday to flag the online video posting of a murder possibly made by wanted suspect Luka Rocco Magnotta.

A foot arrived Tuesday at Conservative headquarters as Montreal police were called to the discovery of a headless torso in the garbage behind an apartment where Magnotta lived. A severed hand was intercepted the same night by Canada Post.

“He was trying to let us know about the video,” conceded Masterman, a Toronto police media and communications co-ordinator, who said Renville’s call came in at 10:30 p.m. Sunday.

[nauru]

Luka Magnotta was identified as a suspect long before the police linked the video to the murder. I can see the owner saying he didn't know it was real, but he still has it on his site and refused to remove it.

But why would he need to remove it? Without a court order to remove content from his site, he really has no obligation to do so since the police department hasn't proven that there is any official obligation for the video to be removed... unless there's some angle I'm missing here?

[Tornado F2]

But why would he need to remove it? Without a court order to remove content from his site, he really has no obligation to do so since the police department hasn't proven that there is any official obligation for the video to be removed... unless there's some angle I'm missing here?

The real question is: Why would he not remove it? Why would he want to retain it? What sort of sick b#tard is he?

[BornRuff]

As I mentioned:

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1204015--luka-magnotta-toronto-police-admit-they-could-have-done-more-when-u-s-lawyer-flagged-disturbing-video

Yes, like I said, the video was not what alerted the police to this murder. It was the foot that was mailed to the Conservative Party.

Posting the video online did nothing to speed up discovery of this murder.

Honestly, what do you think the owner of this site was thinking? You think he decided to post it online so that hopefully some US lawyer would find it and report it to the police? If he wanted to assist the police, he would have gone to them directly. The site owner was just peddling snuff films.

[BornRuff]

But why would he need to remove it? Without a court order to remove content from his site, he really has no obligation to do so since the police department hasn't proven that there is any official obligation for the video to be removed... unless there's some angle I'm missing here?

The angle you are missing is human decency. If a loved one of yours was brutally murdered, would you really want video of that posted on the internet for sickos to get off too?

Respect for the dead could be another angle.

[Tornado F2]

I know that he will mostly likely be put on a commercial flight back to Montreal, that is how they usually deport people.

They should "accidentally" put him on a flight to Beijing.

"Oops!" :D

[BornRuff]

I know that he will mostly likely be put on a commercial flight back to Montreal, that is how they usually deport people.

This isn't deportation, it is extradition.

Transporting him on a military aircraft would seemingly make more sense.

[Tornado F2]

damn... I just read an article... and even that very blurred out picture gave me the creeps... They allowed some blood stained bed sheets to be shown.

The name of that website alone shows how twisted the website owner himself is. Who in their right mind wants to glorify acts like this?

I noticed from the link that a dog was brought in to feed off the corpse. Presumably that means the dog will need to be put down now, having acquired a taste for human flesh.

This case really is just sick.

[nauru]

I totally understand being disgusted with anyone who gets off on watching stuff like that video, let alone a person who spends a significant amount of his time running a website that is dedicated to such material. I personally feel the same way about it.

But we are talking about potential charges for this person -- and that's what I don't get. At what point, and by what action, did the guy break the law? As far as I know it's not illegal to refuse random requests to remove content from a webpage. A police officer can ask nicely for the guy to comply with their request to remove the video but if he prefers to keep it up there he can do so if he wants as it's his website. If the police officer is confident that the webmaster is violating the law then he should have no problem getting a court order from a judge to force the content off the site.

[Tijuana]

Yes, like I said, the video was not what alerted the police to this murder. It was the foot that was mailed to the Conservative Party.

Posting the video online did nothing to speed up discovery of this murder.

Honestly, what do you think the owner of this site was thinking? You think he decided to post it online so that hopefully some US lawyer would find it and report it to the police? If he wanted to assist the police, he would have gone to them directly. The site owner was just peddling snuff films.

Ummm, I think you are confused... The video was posted PRIOR to the body parts being sent. The lawyer notified Toronto Police on SUNDAY that there was a murder video on the internet. On TUESDAY, 2 days later, the body parts arrived. Therefore if they could identify where the video came from and who the murder was on SUNDAY, the body parts would most likely not be delivered yet... Get it? Hence, why the Toronto Police ADMIT they could have done more in hind sight...

I am not saying that posting the murder specifically sped up the discovery, but the point is there was the opportunity to catch Magnotta much earlier because of the video being posted AND because of someone reporting it to the authorities.

[Tornado F2]

This isn't deportation, it is extradition.

Transporting him on a military aircraft would seemingly make more sense.

Dangling from the bottom of one of these, on the end of a long wire:

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/aircraft/uav/heron/heron_tp_4.jpg

(Yes, apparently Canada operates some Heron UAVs now).

[Tornado F2]

I totally understand being disgusted with anyone who gets off on watching stuff like that video, let alone a person who spends a significant amount of his time running a website that is dedicated to such material. I personally feel the same way about it.

But we are talking about potential charges for this person -- and that's what I don't get. At what point, and by what action, did the guy break the law? As far as I know it's not illegal to refuse random requests to remove content from a webpage. A police officer can ask nicely for the guy to comply with their request to remove the video but if he prefers to keep it up there he can do so if he wants as it's his website. If the police officer is confident that the webmaster is violating the law then he should have no problem getting a court order from a judge to force the content off the site.

Is it legal to display snuff films in Canada? If not, there's your charge. If so, laws need introducing to make it illegal.

[BornRuff]

Ummm, I think you are confused... The video was posted PRIOR to the body parts being sent. The lawyer notified Toronto Police on SUNDAY that there was a murder video on the internet. On TUESDAY, 2 days later, the body parts arrived. Therefore if they could identify where the video came from and who the murder was on SUNDAY, the body parts would most likely not be delivered yet... Get it? Hence, why the Toronto Police ADMIT they could have done more in hind sight...

I am not saying that posting the murder specifically sped up the discovery, but the point is there was the opportunity to catch Magnotta much earlier because of the video being posted AND because of someone reporting it to the authorities.

You specifically said "So if the video was never hosted.. when would we find out about this murder". The answer is Tuesday, the exact same day that we found out about it even when the video was hosted. Hosting the video did nothing to change when they found out about this murder.

Even if they had taken the video more seriously, just figuring out which police force should be investigating this would have taken a long time. Suggesting that they could figure out who this guy was and where he was almost instantaneously is simply not realistic.

They only had the opportunity to find out about the video because someone reported it. Hosting it on a public website was not in any way required for the police to be notified about this.

Do you also think we should praise the people who post kiddie porn online because it gives the police the opportunity to catch those who are making the kiddie porn?

[zoober]

I watched the video on youtube and it contained links to his site which is filled with banner ads.

He's making money off of this and other photos/videos of people dead or dying.

F**k him... charge him..

If it goes to court and he's found not guilty, at least it's public now.

[no_username]

It is against the law to distribute, publish, etc obscene things. See section 163 of the criminal code. So, the website owner could be charged.

[Simaahoy]

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Packages+possibly+containing+human+remains+sent+Va ncouver+schools/6734959/story.html


The identity of the remains has not yet been determined, said Deputy Chief Warren Lemcke. He said that police have been in touch with investigators in Montreal, but it is too early to tell if there is any connection to the murder of Chinese student Lin Jun, in which Luka Magnotta is suspected of dismembering his victim and sending pieces in the mail.

Magnotta is to be extradited from Germany for the killing of Lin. One of Lin's hands, a foot and his head are still missing. Last week, body parts were mailed to the headquarters of the federal Liberal and Conservative parties.



Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Packages+containing+human+remains+sent+Vancouver+s chools/6734959/story.html#ixzz1wy3Z8YRr

First political offices, and now to schools.

[gamer123]

hand/foot is different than arm/leg correct? meaning the limbs are on their way?

[xXxRasxXx]

hand/foot is different than arm/leg correct? meaning the limbs are on their way?

The head is still out there..
I am not opening any strange packages that I receive ...

[dealstime]

It is against the law to distribute, publish, etc obscene things. See section 163 of the criminal code. So, the website owner could be charged.

Obscene is a very vague term. I find the flaunting of wealth by the Queen obscene. Someone will find Film people obscene. I highly doubt they will be able to sue this guy. It is sick but not illegal in my opinion.

[kennyhohoho]

It is against the law to distribute, publish, etc obscene things. See section 163 of the criminal code. So, the website owner could be charged.

While that is true, obscene is rather general and doesn't really tell us anything specific:




163. (1) Every one commits an offense who

(a) makes, prints, publishes, distributes, circulates, or has in his possession for the purpose of publication, distribution or circulation any obscene written matter, picture, model, phonograph record or other thing whatever; or

(b) makes, prints, publishes, distributes, sells or has in his possession for the purposes of publication, distribution or circulation a crime comic.



(2) Every one commits an offense who knowingly, without lawful justification or excuse,

(a) sells, exposes to public view or has in his possession for such a purpose any obscene written matter, picture, model, phonograph record or other thing whatever;

(b) publicly exhibits a disgusting object or an indecent show;

(c) offers to sell, advertises or publishes an advertisement of, or has for sale or disposal, any means, instructions, medicine, drug or article intended or represented as a method of causing abortion or miscarriage; or

(d) advertises or publishes an advertisement of any means, instructions, medicine, drug or article intended or represented as a method for restoring sexual virility or curing venereal diseases or diseases of the generative organs.



Obscene could literally mean anything and everything.

I find Sandra Oh's face to be obscene, yet she's allowed to be on television for the entire world to see.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vOWTc0ng3PI/TbKgEKHeNlI/AAAAAAAAA8Q/L8fh8gdwLwk/s400/sandra-oh-as-cristina-yang.jpg

[Simaahoy]

Human Foot found @ St. Jacques and Connaught which is near one of Concordia's campuses...in Montreal via @ctvmontreal's twitter

[Justin]

Human Foot found @ St. Jacques and Connaught which is near one of Concordia's campuses...in Montreal via @ctvmontreal's twitter

So, considering he didn't have 3 feet, the hand and foot in Vancouver must be from someone different.:-0

[45ED]

Human Foot found @ St. Jacques and Connaught which is near one of Concordia's campuses...in Montreal via @ctvmontreal's twitter

A foot in Montreal, and a foot and a hand in Vancouver...

...but one foot of Lin's was already found (the part that "started" all of this)...

...ah, geez...

[Shaner]

It won't be surprising to find out this guy killed several people.

[Simaahoy]

A foot in Montreal, and a foot and a hand in Vancouver...

...but one foot of Lin's was already found (the part that "started" all of this)...

...ah, geez...

they are now reporting that i's a false alarm...phew or the foot is fake/plastic

[uber_shnitz]

Yes the foot discovered in Montreal is made of plastic.

[45ED]

It won't be surprising to find out this guy killed several people.

+1


they are now reporting that i's a false alarm...phew or the foot is fake/plastic

That's somewhat...comforting...

If anyone's curious, his warrant appears to list the charges (related to the Lin case) that he'll be facing.

Magnotta warrant (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/365767-magnotta-warrant.html) via the CBC (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2012/06/05/gatineau-leblanc-magnotta-police-look-at-connections.htmll)

[45ED]

Wednesday, June 6, 2012 10:25:24 AM

Police say Vancouver body parts linked to Montreal murder
Police say the body parts mailed to two schools in Vancouver yesterday were sent from Montreal.
Montreal police have now taken over the Vancouver investigation, as they believe there's a link to the murder and dismemberment of Jun Lin, 33.
Suspect Luka Magnotta was arrested in Berlin on Monday. He's awaiting extradition to Canada.

[manmanny]

Wednesday, June 6, 2012 10:25:24 AM

Police say Vancouver body parts linked to Montreal murder
Police say the body parts mailed to two schools in Vancouver yesterday were sent from Montreal.
Montreal police have now taken over the Vancouver investigation, as they believe there's a link to the murder and dismemberment of Jun Lin, 33.
Suspect Luka Magnotta was arrested in Berlin on Monday. He's awaiting extradition to Canada.

This guy is a case study, university discussion material.

[Simaahoy]

Luka Magnotta is not fighting his extradition and could be aboard a government-funded private jet to Canada within a month, German officials said as the 29-year-old Montrealer accused of a grisly dismemberment-killing waited in a Berlin prison cell.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/magnotta-could-be-back-in-canada-in-a-month/article4231229/?cmpid=rss1

[45ED]

This guy is a case study, university discussion material.

Case study, indeed.

Records himself, uploads, inserts himself into notorious cases anonymously, decries the "rumours" about him as a result, did grotesque things to kitties and (thus far) a person, records and uploads that, and (I would imagine) in an attempt for attention and notoriety, mails things to Harper/the Conservatives, the Liberals, and some school all on the other side of the country.

It appears to me that in an attempt to satisfy his ego, he's casting his net wide and deep.



http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/magnotta-could-be-back-in-canada-in-a-month/article4231229/?cmpid=rss1

Undesirable. But given the situation, I think those in places of authority were balancing the interest of costs versus the public interest in getting this creep back to Canada as soon as possible. Sending him in economy on a commercial flight would be cheaper, but I imagine there are reasons they don't want him on the plane. That, and his potential fellow passengers probably wouldn't want to be on the flight with him either.

[Corleone187]

yeah what is wrong with this guy? Guy is so annoying!

They should lock him up with that Eaton Centre guy. The 2 most annoying people ever! Just wasting everyone's time and resources

[Talamasca]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/magnotta-could-be-back-in-canada-in-a-month/article4231229/?cmpid=rss1

Fine with me. Would you really want him sitting in Executive class on an Air Canada jet?

[kennyhohoho]

Fine with me. Would you really want him sitting in Executive class on an Air Canada jet?

The cargo hold in a cage would be fine :D

If it's not pressurized, even better.

[CSK'sMom]

Anyone see Dr Drew last night? He covered this with the Sun reporter that did the interview (about dating Holmolka) as well as a retired FBI profiler. Rather fascinating, as the profiler watched the infamous video as well as much of the other stuff he's put on the net. She pointed out that in the Sun interview, notice how he doesn't blink much. The reporter thought at the time it was drugs and Magnotta was high but the profiler says that is actually a common thing with psychopaths. The poor reporter is having a very difficult time with this. He's playing the would have, should have psychological game with himself. He feels he should have realized how dangerous this guy was, done something, etc.

The one part of the show that was interesting for me was them all talking about all the people who watched the video and commented on it on the Gore site. They found that most worrisome and debated how many of them might be psychopaths in training based on the comments. I think they had a point when people are commenting with things like Cool, should have done _____, would have been cool, etc.

[45ED]

Anyone see Dr Drew last night? He covered this with the Sun reporter that did the interview (about dating Holmolka) as well as a retired FBI profiler. Rather fascinating, as the profiler watched the infamous video as well as much of the other stuff he's put on the net. She pointed out that in the Sun interview, notice how he doesn't blink much. The reporter thought at the time it was drugs and Magnotta was high but the profiler says that is actually a common thing with psychopaths. The poor reporter is having a very difficult time with this. He's playing the would have, should have psychological game with himself. He feels he should have realized how dangerous this guy was, done something, etc.

The one part of the show that was interesting for me was them all talking about all the people who watched the video and commented on it on the Gore site. They found that most worrisome and debated how many of them might be psychopaths in training based on the comments. I think they had a point when people are commenting with things like Cool, should have done _____, would have been cool, etc.

See, this is disturbing.

[newt_101]

Anyone notice the connections between what he's doing and the Pitt/Freeman movie 'Seven'?

Mailing the body parts.
Having power to scare even after his arrest.
'You Got Me' echos what John Doe says.

[Corleone187]

Anyone notice the connections between what he's doing and the movie Pitt/Freeman movie 'Seven'?

Mailing the body parts.
Having power to scare even after his arrest.
'You Got Me'.

so where did the head go? to his parents since he hates them?

[manmanny]

See, this is disturbing.
That is correct.

That is why he is now and will be case study as CSKmom said.

[iEyeCaptain]

The one part of the show that was interesting for me was them all talking about all the people who watched the video and commented on it on the Gore site. They found that most worrisome and debated how many of them might be psychopaths in training based on the comments. I think they had a point when people are commenting with things like Cool, should have done _____, would have been cool, etc.

I think there was a RFD thread a while ago, long time ago, that covered sites like the Gore site. And some users commented on how the comments there are all like that: "Cool, should have done _____, would have been cool, etc.". It is not limited to this one guy's video.

I understand where you're coming from, CSKsMom, but the term "psychopath" is abused nowadays. The term is supposed to be used (in a nutshell) to refer to anybody who feels no emotions for their actions. There are many clinical "psychopaths" out there, but only a tiny minority turn to violent acts such as this. Being a "psychopath" does not automatically mean you are a violent murderer. The same way being a pitbull does not make the dog a merciless biting machine.

[ever1221]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/magnotta-could-be-back-in-canada-in-a-month/article4231229/?cmpid=rss1

harpy uses private jet to go see a baseball game in the us (PAID BY OUR TAX MONEY), so this wouldn't surprise me really.

[newt_101]

so where did the head go? to his parents since he hates them?

No clue, but I really think more is still to come.

[45ED]

Anyone notice the connections between what he's doing and the Pitt/Freeman movie 'Seven'?

Mailing the body parts.
Having power to scare even after his arrest.
'You Got Me' echos what John Doe says.

Speaking of references, the Star article (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1206739--luka-rocco-magnotta-may-have-posted-videos-while-on-the-run-montreal-police-say?bn=1) notes that the music in his videos all date back to 1987, but were unsure as to the year's significance. The wikipage for 1987 notes that the storyline for American Psycho was set in 1987 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987). And given his use of, what, at least one of the songs associated with/on it's soundtrack, maybe that's the tie.

I'm not saying there's a direct link, but tentatively-speaking, it appears that he copied and stitched together the actions in a number of other films:


Lin Jun’s killer used an ice pick, just like the killer in Basic Instinct. He hacked off body parts and put them in the mail, because that’s what happened in Seven. He videotaped the murder, but didn’t hide it for personal use, a la Bernardo and Homolka. Instead he immediately uploaded it to the Internet. The murder was set to the soundtrack of American Psycho. Magnotta was arrested in Berlin while Googling himself at an Internet cafe. It’s all so meta.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/06/05/why-magnottas-motive-is-almost-as-disturbing-as-what-he-did/

[mjl_toronto]

The one part of the show that was interesting for me was them all talking about all the people who watched the video and commented on it on the Gore site. They found that most worrisome and debated how many of them might be psychopaths in training based on the comments. I think they had a point when people are commenting with things like Cool, should have done _____, would have been cool, etc.

Yeah, I thought the same. You should see some of the things that are said on "The 1 Lunatic 1 Ice Pick Video" Thread on Psych Forums (http://www.psychforums.com/antisocial-personality/topic89464.html). This may be one of the first sites that LRM hinted about the act he was going to commit.

Regarding 1987 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bernardo):


In October 1987, he met Karla Homolka.[5] They became sexually interested in each other almost immediately. Unlike the other girls he knew, she encouraged his sadistic sexual behaviour, also encouraging his acts as the "Scarborough Rapist."


- May 4, 1987, rape, 21-year-old woman, Scarborough, in front of her parents' house, after following her home. The attack lasted more than half an hour.
- May 14, 1987, rape, 19-year-old woman in the back yard of her parents' house. This incident lasted over an hour.
- July 17, 1987, attempted rape. Although he beat the young woman, he abandoned the attack after she fought back.
- September 29, 1987, attempted rape, 15-year-old girl. Bernardo broke into a house in Scarborough and entered the bedroom of the victim. He jumped on her back, put his hand over her mouth, threatened her with a knife, caused a bruise on the side of her face and bit her on the ear. He fled when the victim's mother entered the room and started screaming. Anthony Hanemaayer was initially convicted of the sexual assault but was exonerated after Bernardo confessed to the crime in 2006.
- December 16, 1987, rape, 15-year-old girl. This rape lasted about one hour. The following day, the Toronto Police Service issued a warning to women in Scarborough traveling alone at night, especially those taking buses.
December 23, 1987, rape, 17-year-old. During this attack, Bernardo raped the 17-year-old with the knife he used to threaten his victims. It was at this point he began to be referred to as the 'Scarborough Rapist'.

PB's first known rape was in 1987. Coincidentally, it happened in May. Hmm...25th anniversary?
Just saying.

[CSK'sMom]

I think there was a RFD thread a while ago, long time ago, that covered sites like the Gore site. And some users commented on how the comments there are all like that: "Cool, should have done _____, would have been cool, etc.". It is not limited to this one guy's video.

I understand where you're coming from, CSKsMom, but the term "psychopath" is abused nowadays. The term is supposed to be used (in a nutshell) to refer to anybody who feels no emotions for their actions. There are many clinical "psychopaths" out there, but only a tiny minority turn to violent acts such as this. Being a "psychopath" does not automatically mean you are a violent murderer. The same way being a pitbull does not make the dog a merciless biting machine.

True the term may be used pretty indiscriminately these days, but it still applies to Magnotta, and definitely is not defined by feeling no emotion. There are many other facets to the clinical diagnosis than just that... Here's the clinical test. http://www.arkancide.com/psychopathy.htm So much of what we know about Magnotta now is a pretty perfect fit.

As for the comments on the site, you're right, it's not just this video that garners comments like that. Frankly there were some here.:| Do I think all that have made comments like that have what would be considered normal psychology, absolutely not. The question is how many have abnormal psychology and how many will go on to commit heinous acts inspired by others acts or things seen on a site like that.... And frankly, that is one scarey question.

[45ED]

Yeah, I thought the same. You should see some of the things that are said on "The 1 Lunatic 1 Ice Pick Video" Thread on Psych Forums (http://www.psychforums.com/antisocial-personality/topic89464.html). This may be one of the first sites that LRM hinted about the act he was going to commit.

Regarding 1987 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bernardo):

Just saying.

There is that, too. A fixation on the year caused by a movie he likes and a person (or case) he follows.

Wonder if it pleased him that the media across the ocean called him the Canadian Psycho as an unintended (?) allusion to the movie American Psycho.

[mjl_toronto]

so where did the head go? to his parents since he hates them?


No clue, but I really think more is still to come.

IMO, this is probably what the police is most concerned about now. Does LRM have a grand celebration that we're all waiting to find out about? There was mention of a note(s) in the Vancouver packages, but police won't disclose what the note(s) said. It really does sound like the movie 'Se7en'.

Let's over analyze again.

He hit political establishments first. These are the people that govern us. Essentially 'controlling' our lives.
He then hit schools, for elementary kids. These are the people that educate us. I don't know what the private school is about, perhaps to include a class warfare element?
What's next? A place of spirituality?

edit: interesting thing to note is LRM sent the left foot to the Tories and the left hand to the Liberals.
LRM sent the right foot to the private school and the right hand to the public school.

2nd edit: Maybe a place of significant business/commerce/economy is next? Could be an attack on pillars/tenets/institutions of society.
The more I think about it, the more I begin to believe that LRMs real motive was to write his own reality movie, going so far as to even include a soundtrack. Idiot.

[newt_101]

Speaking of references, the Star article (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1206739--luka-rocco-magnotta-may-have-posted-videos-while-on-the-run-montreal-police-say?bn=1) notes that the music in his videos all date back to 1987, but were unsure as to the year's significance. The wikipage for 1987 notes that the storyline for American Psycho was set in 1987 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987). And given his use of, what, at least one of the songs associated with/on it's soundtrack, maybe that's the tie.

I'm not saying there's a direct link, but tentatively-speaking, it appears that he copied and stitched together the actions in a number of other films:


Yeah, I thought the same. You should see some of the things that are said on "The 1 Lunatic 1 Ice Pick Video" Thread on Psych Forums (http://www.psychforums.com/antisocial-personality/topic89464.html). This may be one of the first sites that LRM hinted about the act he was going to commit.

Regarding 1987 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bernardo):





PB's first known rape was in 1987. Coincidentally, it happened in May. Hmm...25th anniversary?
Just saying.


IMO, this is probably what the police is most concerned about now. Does LRM have a grand celebration that we're all waiting to find out about? There was mention of a note(s) in the Vancouver packages, but police won't disclose what the note(s) said. It really does sound like the movie 'Se7en'.

Let's over analyze again.

He hit political establishments first. These are the people that govern us. Essentially 'controlling' our lives.
He then hit schools, for elementary kids. These are the people that educate us. I don't know what the private school is about, perhaps to include a class warfare element?
What's next? A place of spirituality?

edit: interesting thing to note is LRM sent the left foot to the Tories and the left hand to the Liberals.
LRM sent the right foot to the private school and the right hand to the public school.

Nice to see others thinking outside the box.
There's more to him than meets the eye. He's not a smart man, but he is a lover of all things arts/media/entertainment and distorting things IMO.

[flashy_mcflash]

There is that, too. A fixation on the year caused by a movie he likes and a person (or case) he follows.

Wonder if it pleased him that the media across the ocean called him the Canadian Psycho as an unintended (?) allusion to the movie American Psycho.

Would it really be that surprising someone who grew up in Scarborough, not far from Paul Bernardo (who was himself influenced by American Psycho) and with ties to Karla Homolka would have a fascination with the same book?

Bernardo must be pretty cheesed not to be the one dubbed 'Canadian Psycho'.

[45ED]

Would it really be that surprising someone who grew up in Scarborough, not far from Paul Bernardo (who was himself influenced by American Psycho) and with ties to Karla Homolka would have a fascination with the same book?

Bernardo must be pretty cheesed not to be the one dubbed 'Canadian Psycho'.

I wouldn't be surprised about someone who grew up in Scarborough around that time having a fascination with Bernardo, his crimes, and a book. But there's fascination and then there's taking it one step too many to realize that fascination.

Although it must be noted (again) that there is strong evidence that Magnotta does not have ties with Homolka and that any rumours related thereto were likely due to Magnotta himself inserting those rumours anonymously
.

[flashy_mcflash]

I wouldn't be surprised about someone who grew up in Scarborough around that time having a fascination with Bernardo, his crimes, and a book. But there's fascination and then there's taking it one step too many to realize that fascination.

Although it must be noted (again) that there is strong evidence that Magnotta does not have ties with Homolka and that any rumours related thereto were likely due to Magnotta himself inserting those rumours anonymously
.

I mean ties in the sense that, at least, he idolized Bernardo and likely crafted a fantasy life that cast him in the same role (which also explains his fascination with the book). It seems natural, insofar as anything here can be considered natural, to me that he'd emulate Bernardo wherever possible.

[djemzine]

Sorry to be ignorant as I was hearing about this on the news very vaguely and such from CNN. This has to do with the Chinese student being killed from Concordia University correct? Also who is the killer/package sender for this?

I heard he was arrested in Germany?

[uber_shnitz]

Sorry to be ignorant as I was hearing about this on the news very vaguely and such from CNN. This has to do with the Chinese student being killed from Concordia University correct? Also who is the killer/package sender for this?

I heard he was arrested in Germany?

Yes it's about the Chinese student from Concordia being killed. He was reportedly killed and decapitated by Luka Rocco Magnotta (who was arrested in Berlin yesterday). Magnotta claimed in a letter that he sent 6 "pieces" in the mail, so far 5 have been found:
- the torso near his apartment
- the left foot at the Conversative Party's HQ in Ottawa
- the left hand at the Canada Post office headed for the Liberal Party's HQ in Ottawa
- the right hand and right foot at 2 primary schools in BC

So far the head is unaccounted for.

Oh the killer also filmed the killing/decapitation (and other vile things) of his victim and it's posted online (the police were unable to get it offline).

[ji2o0k]

So far the head is unaccounted for.
it is probably headed for another public organization or large enough body to garner serious media attention (just because of the shock value of it being delivered and discovered).

Police should give a heads-up to all large public and private organizations' mailrooms that might receive such an item....to brace for the shock....

[45ED]

I mean ties in the sense that, at least, he idolized Bernardo and likely crafted a fantasy life that cast him in the same role (which also explains his fascination with the book). It seems natural, insofar as anything here can be considered natural, to me that he'd emulate Bernardo wherever possible.

Oh, okay.

Still, I wonder when it all "started" for him - his alleged (I only write alleged because much of what has been said via media and laypeople is strong speculation) obsession/idolization of Bernardo. What might've the timeline been like? For some reason, I hope it didn't start when Bernardo's exploits did (1987 to 1988) 'cause, being born in 1982, that would've made Magnotta around 5 or 6 at the time. Might it also be that Magnotta just has a picture of an ideal self in his head and that, for whatever reason, Bernardo fits neatly into it as an example?

Another interesting read from Macleans. In particular, this exercpt:


Magnotta and Homolka: Anatomy of a rumour

Luka Rocco Magnotta never dated the notorious Karla Homolka—contrary to reports that just won’t die

[...]

Then, on Thursday, journalist Colin Horgan reported on the Ottawa political website ipolitics.ca that repeated attempts have been made since October 2011 to edit Karla Homolka’s Wikipedia page to insert Luka Magnotta’s name as Homolka’s husband.






“According to Wikipedia’s history of revisions, in October 2011, Magnotta’s name replaced that of Thierry Bordelais, the man who in 2007 was reported to be Homolka’s husband …

The article was apparently left untouched for months, until February 2012, when again Magnotta’s name was inserted…

The article was edited again on March 4th (here), 5th (here), and 30th (here) of this year. Each time, Magnotta’s name was inserted, and each time by a different user.

There is no way to tell whether the changes were made by Magnotta or not.

Magnotta is also mentioned as Homolka’s husband in a piece written for Allvoices.com.

‘Karla Homolka serial murderess and husband Luka Magnotta in the Caribbean,’ reads the title of that piece. The piece was written by ‘inewsman’ in June, 2010. The contributor profile picture bears a remarkable resemblance to Magnotta.”

So the name of a smalltime porn actor, convicted fraudster and self-promoter was still tenuously—if erroneously—connected to one of the most notorious killers in Canadian history at the same time that a new chapter in horrific Canadian murders was opening in Montreal and Ottawa.

[...]

http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/06/01/magnotta-and-homolka-anatomy-of-a-rumour/

[45ED]

it is probably headed for another public organization or large enough body to garner serious media attention (just because of the shock value of it being delivered and discovered).

Police should give a heads-up to all large public and private organizations' mailrooms that might receive such an item....to brace for the shock....

If this is the case - if he wanted to make a big, public, attention-earning grab - the final target will probably be a news media organization. That's my semi-uneducated guess. UK Sun? One of the major Canadian publications, if not major TV organizations.

[flashy_mcflash]

Oh, okay.

Still, I wonder when it all "started" for him - his alleged (I only write alleged because much of what has been said via media and laypeople is strong speculation) obsession/idolization of Bernardo. What might've the timeline been like? For some reason, I hope it didn't start when Bernardo's exploits did (1987 to 1988) 'cause, being born in 1982, that would've made Magnotta around 5 or 6 at the time. Might it also be that Magnotta just has a picture of an ideal self in his head and that, for whatever reason, Bernardo fits neatly into it as an example?


It's quite possible or even probable that he began idolizing him around the time of his trial, which wasn't until the mid-90's, when Mr Magnotta was very much in his teen angst phase and when many larger opinions about society are formed. I read American Psycho around that time and no one's found the bodies ye....I MEAN CARRY ON

[iEyeCaptain]

Given the time the head *may* be in "transit" via Canada Post, I have a sick feeling it's been sent to an international destination.

:/

Anybody else getting this hunch?

[no_username]

If this is the case - if he wanted to make a big, public, attention-earning grab - the final target will probably be a news media organization. That's my semi-uneducated guess. UK Sun? One of the major Canadian publications, if not major TV organizations.

Actually, the SUN newspaper in UK would be a likely target - they did do an interview with him in December 2011, and he did write a threatening letter to the reporter that conducted the interview.

[45ED]

Actually, the SUN newspaper in UK would be a likely target - they did do an interview with him in December 2011, and he did write a threatening letter to the reporter that conducted the interview.

Indeed. Of his reported interactions with the media, that one struck me as one of the more notable ones.

[Simaahoy]

I agree that the Sun UK might get the head but, doesn't mail get inspected when sent internationally?

I think the guy didn't care about getting caught, he has achieved his life long dream of being internationally known. I saw this on CNN last night, ugh.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mXXXLnyHZ0


http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/07/world/americas/canada-body-parts-investigation/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Plus CNN spelled Canadian wrong..

Magnotta is also being suspected for two murder at the Hollywood sign and in Tuscan earlier this year as he was there when it happened.

http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2012/06/07/la-police-de-la-sinteresse-a-magnotta
http://www.newstalk1010.com/News/localnews/blogentry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10391181

[jp06]

ok wtf, now Toronto Sun reports that Jun Lin (the victim) was Magnotta's ex-lover? I thought that the asian dude did not know Magnotta from other reports.

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/06/07/magnotta-linked-to-hollywood-sign-body-parts

[Corleone187]

WTH with these weirdo lovers? :confused:

Looks like a copycat crime and that his lover Jun Lin guy was part of it? WTH?? Weirdos!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lidtN-XJaWs

[djemzine]

Yes it's about the Chinese student from Concordia being killed. He was reportedly killed and decapitated by Luka Rocco Magnotta (who was arrested in Berlin yesterday). Magnotta claimed in a letter that he sent 6 "pieces" in the mail, so far 5 have been found:
- the torso near his apartment
- the left foot at the Conversative Party's HQ in Ottawa
- the left hand at the Canada Post office headed for the Liberal Party's HQ in Ottawa
- the right hand and right foot at 2 primary schools in BC

So far the head is unaccounted for.

Oh the killer also filmed the killing/decapitation (and other vile things) of his victim and it's posted online (the police were unable to get it offline).

Dang. Was there a motif for this or? Also what's Magnotta's background? I heard he was gay, err sorry politically correct term - homosexual/porn actor.

[uber_shnitz]

There was mention way back when the first body parts were discovered that it was an ex-lover, but it was never confirmed AFAIK. Nobody who knew Jun Lin knew Magnotta so if they were seriously dating, you'd think either friends or family would know him (even assuming they kept it secret, they might've met the group and posed as friends).


Dang. Was there a motif for this or? Also what's Magnotta's background? I heard he was gay, err sorry politically correct term - homosexual/porn actor.
Magnotta was bisexual yes and he was a male model and pornographic actor as well. I'm not sure of his ethnic background, but he's from Ontario (Toronto IIRC) and moved to Montreal about a year and a half ago.

Motif so far is claimed to be a huge narcissist ego. Magnotta had no less than 9 Facebook accounts and many online aliases. The guy basically craved attention according to what the cops are finding. Once he did the crime, he basically left a trail and made himself openly visible to get caught because he wanted to make the news, not just be some killer to be forgotten and never found.

[masterhapposai]

Would it really be that surprising someone who grew up in Scarborough, not far from Paul Bernardo (who was himself influenced by American Psycho) and with ties to Karla Homolka would have a fascination with the same book?

Bernardo must be pretty cheesed not to be the one dubbed 'Canadian Psycho'.

Its more likely that Magnotta did all this as a deliberate manipulative act and you guys are falling right into the trap, glorifying and making what happened more interesting than it is.

Reality:
-He created a number of pop culture easter eggs to make himself more cool than he is, so that attention doesn't die down. As easter eggs are discovered, it will spread like a virus inviting more people to study and know about him.

I'd put $ down on him counting on a movie coming out about him, and he needs 'fans' for that to happen.

There's no value whatsoever in investigating it further unless there are more victims.

[masterhapposai]

The most destructive payback we can dish out to him, is erasing him from history.

[konfusion666]

The most destructive payback we can dish out to him, is erasing him from history.

Unlikely to happen! This whole case is just so "weird" that - I hate to say it - but I'm sure somewhere out there in TV-world or Movie-world, there's a script writer already hard at work with dollar signs dancing around in his head...

[djemzine]

There was mention way back when the first body parts were discovered that it was an ex-lover, but it was never confirmed AFAIK. Nobody who knew Jun Lin knew Magnotta so if they were seriously dating, you'd think either friends or family would know him (even assuming they kept it secret, they might've met the group and posed as friends).


Magnotta was bisexual yes and he was a male model and pornographic actor as well. I'm not sure of his ethnic background, but he's from Ontario (Toronto IIRC) and moved to Montreal about a year and a half ago.

Motif so far is claimed to be a huge narcissist ego. Magnotta had no less than 9 Facebook accounts and many online aliases. The guy basically craved attention according to what the cops are finding. Once he did the crime, he basically left a trail and made himself openly visible to get caught because he wanted to make the news, not just be some killer to be forgotten and never found.

Hmm. In the end, is it worth it? Plus these kind of killers, etc are psychos in my mind and NEED help BIG time. They don't deserve to live imo, such as the case with Ted Bundy or Charles Manson for example. Too bad capital punishment is not available in Canada. Jokes of course, but still.

[uber_shnitz]

Hmm. In the end, is it worth it? Plus these kind of killers, etc are psychos in my mind and NEED help BIG time. They don't deserve to live imo, such as the case with Ted Bundy or Charles Manson for example. Too bad capital punishment is not available in Canada. Jokes of course, but still.
Well the issue most people are having is that there were signs of this guy's issues. He basically killed kittens and posted a video of it online (similar to the video he posted of him killing/decapitating Jun Lin) yet when it was reported, police did nothing. Better animal sensitivity and better mental health awareness might have saved Jun Lin.

[Psubs]

The Maggot may be connect with an L.A. body part dismemberment!!! :-0

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/police-investigate-luka-rocco-magnotta-connection-l-murder-214309351.html


Lafreniere said he believes Magnotta was in Los Angeles at the time of Medellin's murder. However, the Los Angeles Times had reported Wednesday that its police sources believe there is no connection between Magnotta and Medellin.

That hasn't stopped news outlets from searching for other linkages.

ABC News is reporting that the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency would not confirm if Magnotta was in the United States at the time.

Posts on one of several Facebook accounts attributed to Magnotta dated from February suggest he was. In those updates, first discovered by the New York Observer, the poster appears to be arranging appointments to offer massages and includes a phone number with an L.A. area code.

In addition, the U.K. Sun newspaper reported Thursday that a Los Angeles-based pimp claims to have hired Magnotta to work as a prostitute in January.

Lafreniere said the Mendellin investigation will move forward once officers are able to get a DNA sample of Magnotta.

[ji2o0k]

I'd put $ down on him counting on a movie coming out about him, and he needs 'fans' for that to happen.

There's no value whatsoever in investigating it further unless there are more victims.not just a movie, but count on a documentary and countless books written about him...

Plus probably studies examining him as well...

As another poster mentioned, it would be in everyone's best interest to not give what he wants and just forget about this pyscho loser...but of course that isn't going to happen....

When there is interest, there is $$ to be made and people will want to get a piece of that pie....

[newt_101]

Not sure if this has been posted on here yet, but his personality alone makes me want to slap him


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fctneTYHBtM

[ji2o0k]

Not sure if this has been posted on here yet, but his personality alone makes me want to slap him


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fctneTYHBtMI can't watch the vid as it is blocked here at work but on the Dean Blundell show, they are constantly making fun of his fake voice and call him by his real name "Eric Newman"....

Nothing to lose your head over.....don't give this guy the time and energy......

[qaz393]

Not sure if this has been posted on here yet, but his personality alone makes me want to slap him


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fctneTYHBtM

practice makes perfect for deep voice?

[jp06]

it must be because of these reality shows that crush contestants' dreams and so they go and do some stupid **** after. He thought that he had the body but to be honest, he looks like a bone rack.

[newt_101]

practice makes perfect for deep voice?

"I can gain muscle, everyone can do it. I'm devastatingly good looking!"

[kennyhohoho]

practice makes perfect for deep voice?

Hint. It has nothing to do with actually practicing the voice itself. :lol:

[ji2o0k]

ok wtf, now Toronto Sun reports that Jun Lin (the victim) was Magnotta's ex-lover? I thought that the asian dude did not know Magnotta from other reports.

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/06/07/magnotta-linked-to-hollywood-sign-body-partsMaybe Jun Lin fell head over heels for this pyscho loser?

[jaxx lite]

Maybe Jun Lin fell head over heels for this pyscho loser?

NO.

It was just sex.

Most likely, they just had sex.

No friendship
Not dating
Not boyfriend / boyfriend
Just sex
Kinky sex (bondage / getting tied up in ropes)

=

[Simaahoy]

They may have met at the grocery store that Lin worked at according to news reports.

[uber_shnitz]

Yes at some point Magnotta lived near the corner store Jun Lin worked at however as stated previously, there are no confirmations as to whether or how the 2 knew each other (if at all). The victim's entourage have not spoken about Magnotta and any relationship to the victim.

[Drew87]

Yes at some point Magnotta lived near the corner store Jun Lin worked at however as stated previously, there are no confirmations as to whether or how the 2 knew each other (if at all). The victim's entourage have not spoken about Magnotta and any relationship to the victim.

I seriously wonder if these guy was inspired by Dexter at all in a twisted way.....

[smartfood]

Similar to zoolander? just a little?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_qI9fu8sZQ


Not sure if this has been posted on here yet, but his personality alone makes me want to slap him


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fctneTYHBtM

[Doodies]

I seriously wonder if these guy was inspired by Dexter at all in a twisted way.....

I doubt it, they seem to all have mental disorders/issues. Also Dexter kills criminals where as most serial killers choose prostitutes, young woman and kids as their victims.

[Drew87]

I doubt it, they seem to all have mental disorders/issues. Also Dexter kills criminals where as most serial killers choose prostitutes, young woman and kids as their victims.

yeah i doubt it but aren't their similarities? Like they both tie their victim down and cut the body up into pieces? Major difference besides Dexter being fictional is he doesn't mail the body parts to public places...

[Kunman]

Eric Clinton Newman is the exact kind of person Dexter would hunt down

[BornRuff]

yeah i doubt it but aren't their similarities? Like they both tie their victim down and cut the body up into pieces? Major difference besides Dexter being fictional is he doesn't mail the body parts to public places...

I don't think what Dexter does and what this guy did are all that similar. Tying someone up and dismembering the body are not exactly things that are unique to the Dexter character. Dexter kills people who he believes have done bad things, and is meticulous about ensuring that nobody finds out about what he is doing.

From what has been reported about him, he seems much more influenced by stories of real murderers who have gained fame from their crimes. He is a narcissist and craves attention. He went out of his way to make sure people found out about what he did. He left the continent, but didn't hide that fact well at all, seemingly to ensure that his case got international attention. All of this was preceded by attempts to get on reality TV, pose in magazines, and make a name for himself on the internet. He eventually found that videos of him killing kittens, and eventually a human being, got him the most attention of all.

It all seems to be more about getting attention than killing people, so it doesn't seem like Dexter would really speak to him.

[jp06]

I don't think what Dexter does and what this guy did are all that similar. Tying someone up and dismembering the body are not exactly things that are unique to the Dexter character. Dexter kills people who he believes have done bad things, and is meticulous about ensuring that nobody finds out about what he is doing.

From what has been reported about him, he seems much more influenced by stories of real murderers who have gained fame from their crimes. He is a narcissist and craves attention. He went out of his way to make sure people found out about what he did. He left the continent, but didn't hide that fact well at all, seemingly to ensure that his case got international attention. All of this was preceded by attempts to get on reality TV, pose in magazines, and make a name for himself on the internet. He eventually found that videos of him killing kittens, and eventually a human being, got him the most attention of all.

It all seems to be more about getting attention than killing people, so it doesn't seem like Dexter would really speak to him.

well i guess he got what he wanted... there is a wikipedia page on "Luka Magnotta". Someone should delete this POS off wikipedia so that he doesn't get the fame that he wanted. He should be remembered as the guy who never made the cut for coverguy and whatever reality shows he participated in. That should piss him off.

[Tornado F2]

I have a good idea where the head is going to show up.

I'm not going to share it here though. I'm posting the info on another, more worthwhile site.

[Tornado F2]

well i guess he got what he wanted... there is a wikipedia page on "Luka Magnotta". Someone should delete this POS off wikipedia so that he doesn't get the fame that he wanted. He should be remembered as the guy who never made the cut for coverguy and whatever reality shows he participated in. That should piss him off.

Agreed. The Norwegians showed great intelligence wrt their own psycho, the mass-killer. In many cases they are ignoring him and not giving him the attention he craves. We should do exactly the same. Just dispose of him. Don't bother telling us any more about him. And definitely stop posting all those posed photos of the deviant little creep.

[jp06]

Agreed. The Norwegians showed great intelligence wrt their own psycho, the mass-killer. In many cases they are ignoring him and not giving him the attention he craves. We should do exactly the same. Just dispose of him. Don't bother telling us any more about him. And definitely stop posting all those posed photos of the deviant little creep.

That's true... i just realized these news sites posted like 40-50 pics of his poses. That's excessive and probably made that loser feel good about himself.

[Tornado F2]

That's true... i just realized these news sites posted like 40-50 pics of his poses. That's excessive and probably made that loser feel good about himself.

BTW, this seems to mesh with this case:

http://forums.redflagdeals.com/search.php?searchid=3766160

Coincidence or what? Victim or killer? Who really cares?

[jp06]

BTW, this seems to mesh with this case:

http://forums.redflagdeals.com/search.php?searchid=3766160

Coincidence or what? Victim or killer? Who really cares?

your link leads to "no match"

[Tornado F2]

your link leads to "no match"

Really? It works for me. Anyway, it's just another RFDer who's gone missing at the same time as the killer. Possibly met the profile too. Hopefully they won't be returning anyway.

[mockingjay404]

Really? It works for me. Anyway, it's just another RFDer who's gone missing at the same time as the killer. Possibly met the profile too. Hopefully they won't be returning anyway.

who r u talking about?

[Simaahoy]

Really? It works for me. Anyway, it's just another RFDer who's gone missing at the same time as the killer. Possibly met the profile too. Hopefully they won't be returning anyway.

What is that suppose to mean?

[yao416]

Any updates on the head?

[Simaahoy]

Any updates on the head?

They haven't found it yet.

[BornRuff]

well i guess he got what he wanted... there is a wikipedia page on "Luka Magnotta". Someone should delete this POS off wikipedia so that he doesn't get the fame that he wanted. He should be remembered as the guy who never made the cut for coverguy and whatever reality shows he participated in. That should piss him off.

It is inevitable that people will get attention for this kind of stuff. It is horrible that it works for them, but the public just has such a deep interest in these cases that media outlets are driven to dig up all sorts of info on them.

[Tornado F2]

It is inevitable that people will get attention for this kind of stuff. It is horrible that it works for them, but the public just has such a deep interest in these cases that media outlets are driven to dig up all sorts of info on them.

No need to dig up anything more about this one. It's obvious what he is and has done. Let the police carry on quietly with their investigation, hopefully find evidence connecting him to murder in a death penalty state (apparently CA and FL are looking into it), and let Germany extradite him there since that crime will have been committed earlier. Justice finally. And not a further word needed in the Canadian press. Forget the loser. He deserves no better.

[PCDawg]

They haven't found it yet.

Since he is so sick and twisted, i wonder if he shipped the head to China.....

[dealseeker2011]

I was just like what I've watched in the tv a while ago.

[Tornado F2]

Since he is so sick and twisted, i wonder if he shipped the head to China.....

Bingo! That was my guess too when the BC delivery reports came out. Possibly the parents' address if he's really sick enough - and of course in this case we KNOW that he is.

[BornRuff]

No need to dig up anything more about this one. It's obvious what he is and has done. Let the police carry on quietly with their investigation, hopefully find evidence connecting him to murder in a death penalty state (apparently CA and FL are looking into it), and let Germany extradite him there since that crime will have been committed earlier. Justice finally. And not a further word needed in the Canadian press. Forget the loser. He deserves no better.

I'm fairly certain that extradition to Canada is already in the works. He's a Canadian citizen and they already have these charges to work with here, so I can't see him going to the states even if they connect him to something.

Canada wont extradite someone if the death penalty is on the table, and I believe Germany is the same way.

[NG]

WTH with these weirdo lovers? :confused:

Looks like a copycat crime and that his lover Jun Lin guy was part of it? WTH?? Weirdos!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lidtN-XJaWs

Comparing Luka to that guy (A german man who cannibalized a guy in 2001) isn't really since he went on the internet and found another man who WANTED to be killed and eaten.

Unlike the other guy that German guy ate there's no indication that Lin wanted to be killed and eaten. Plus the Conservative Party, Liberal Party, Canada Post and those two schools never consented to having to deal with the body parts.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3254074.stm

Frankly if it's two consenting adults, although I'll admit it's very graphic and disturbing to many, if I was diagnosed with some disease which would kill me anyways I could see the appeal of living an extreme fetish death (this, auto erotic asphyxiation etc) as opposed to rotting to death in a hospital bed.

[Tijuana]

And you guys were saying Eric newman and Karla were never together?

http://www.edge.ca/Pics/Blogs/Dean/karla.jpg

She definitely had something to do with this...

[BornRuff]

And you guys were saying Eric newman and Karla were never together?

http://www.edge.ca/Pics/Blogs/Dean/karla.jpg

She definitely had something to do with this...

Is that supposed to be Halmoka?

[Tijuana]

Is that supposed to be Halmoka?

Edit: After further inspection I don't believe so.. but there is more proof that they were together.

Luka Rocco Magnotta ‘could have been good friend’ of Karla Homolka, police say
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/31/luka-rocco-magnotta-karla-homolka/

Not sure why everyone is acting so surprised. She wasn't an angel.. Or are we still acting under the belief that it was all Bernardo and Karla was a helpless little girl :rolleyes:

[Tijuana]

Fears That Infamous Canadian Former Female Convict is in Bahamas

By Alex Missick
Tribune Staff Reporter


Concerned Bahamians fear that one of Canada's most infamous convicts, Karla Homolka, is either residing or vacationing in the Bahamas. Several media reports claim that she is living in the Caribbean with her new family. They say photographs have surfaced showing her posing at one of New Providence's top resorts. Immigration officials claim that when a person's passport is scanned upon arrival in the country, they can see whether the person has been convicted or spent time in jail. Photos surfaced on the internet of Homolka with her new husband porn model Luka Magnotta. They have a three year old son. Karla has changed her name to Leanne Teale and Luka goes by the alias Thierry Bordalis the reports claim.

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu100/lukamagnottapage/luka-magnotta-karla-homolka-bahamas.jpg

[BornRuff]

Edit: After further inspection I don't believe so.. but there is more proof that they were together.

Luka Rocco Magnotta ‘could have been good friend’ of Karla Homolka, police say
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/31/luka-rocco-magnotta-karla-homolka/

Not sure why everyone is acting so surprised. She wasn't an angel.. Or are we still acting under the belief that it was all Bernardo and Karla was a helpless little girl :rolleyes:

Those claims have been chalked up to attention whoring since they first surfaced. He started many rumors about himself for attention. He also claimed to be associated with other famous murderers.

That photo in your previous post clearly isn't her. It's just someone who happens to be blonde. Karla is over 40 now, and that woman certainly doesn't look over 40.

Why do you think this has anything to do with anyone thinking she is an angel?

[Tornado F2]

Those claims have been chalked up to attention whoring since they first surfaced. He started many rumors about himself for attention. He also claimed to be associated with other famous murderers.

That photo in your previous post clearly isn't her. It's just someone who happens to be blonde. Karla is over 40 now, and that woman certainly doesn't look over 40.

Why do you think this has anything to do with anyone thinking she is an angel?

Homolka is pure evil, nothing but. She should never, ever have been released. Yet our system foolishly/criminally educated her (at taxpayers' expense) and sent her on her way. She got far better treatment from our government than honest, hardworking, decent citizens get. The fact is, Bernardo isn't known to have killed anybody before he met her. Afterward he (or she) killed at least three innocent young women. It doesn't take a genius to see the impact she had and the lost lives she's responsible for.

That said, there's no way she and this latest killer were married. It's highly unlikely that she even heard of him before the rest of us did, after he'd already done his evil deeds.

[Tornado F2]

Comparing Luka to that guy (A german man who cannibalized a guy in 2001) isn't really kosher since he went on the internet and found another man who WANTED to be killed and eaten.

What a really terrible choice of words. Offensive even. And I'm not even Jewish.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt but you really need to take that back.

BTW, I wish people would stop referring to these psychos by their first names. It's like you knew them personally or something. Best friends even. If they must be named at all, USE THEIR SURNAMES. But best all round not to allow them human names at all, since they are obviously not truly human when they've committed such inhuman acts.

[masterhapposai]

What a really terrible choice of words. Offensive even. And I'm not even Jewish.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt but you really need to take that back.

BTW, I wish people would stop referring to these psychos by their first names. It's like you knew them personally or something. Best friends even. If they must be named at all, USE THEIR SURNAMES. But best all round not to allow them human names at all, since they are obviously not truly human when they've committed such inhuman acts.

that's actually a good idea

if these people were forcibly renamed by the government and it was an offense to use their original names, we wouldn't have repeat killings or any attention-grabbers killing

especially if their names were:
- fail loserardo
- faila polka
- Luuka-i-failed-a-tv-interview-then-cried-otta

[NG]

What a really terrible choice of words. Offensive even. And I'm not even Jewish.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt but you really need to take that back.

BTW, I wish people would stop referring to these psychos by their first names. It's like you knew them personally or something. Best friends even. If they must be named at all, USE THEIR SURNAMES. But best all round not to allow them human names at all, since they are obviously not truly human when they've committed such inhuman acts.

Dude I've seen you've been temp banned on more than one occasion in recent memory for trying to start trouble with other members.

If you read my entire statement in context (and not the part you quoted) you'd see that I was using the term kosher as it has come to be known in the general slang of "not cool" and not specific to anything related to Judaism.

If anyone who is Jewish found the use of the word offensive, of course, I regret that. As for you frankly I don't care since your posts are little more than white noise to me.

Beyond that I stand by my contention that comparing this Luka sob (I'm not going to refer to him by his last name simply because it's not a common name that's easy to spell so I'd have to scroll back to copy it) I still contend it's not cool to compare this sleaze ball who put innocent people in his sights compared to someone who went out looking to find someone who had a sexual fetish to have this done to him.

It's basically the difference between sex and rape.

[D-Roc]

There is no connection to Karla with Luka. Just internet rumours that he, himself, started and since it sells papers/increases viewership, the media used it.

[mrcantrell]

If you read my entire statement in context (and not the part you quoted) you'd see that I was using the term kosher as it has come to be known in the general slang of "not cool" and not specific to anything related to Judaism.


QFT, nothing wrong with using 'kosher' as slang as described.

[mockingjay404]

QFT, nothing wrong with using 'kosher' as slang as described.

+1

it's a very popular and oft-used phrase in modern parlance, and i think anyone who hasn't lived under a rock for the past 20 years would know this

[Corleone187]

Comparing Luka to that guy (A german man who cannibalized a guy in 2001) isn't really since he went on the internet and found another man who WANTED to be killed and eaten.

Unlike the other guy that German guy ate there's no indication that Lin wanted to be killed and eaten. Plus the Conservative Party, Liberal Party, Canada Post and those two schools never consented to having to deal with the body parts.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3254074.stm

Frankly if it's two consenting adults, although I'll admit it's very graphic and disturbing to many, if I was diagnosed with some disease which would kill me anyways I could see the appeal of living an extreme fetish death (this, auto erotic asphyxiation etc) as opposed to rotting to death in a hospital bed.

its a copycat I think thats why he took off to Germany. I didnt watch the vid but this is what I hear that the guy wasnt resisting or fighting in the video. Like he was just on the bed chilling and the next scene he was already deceased. So:
- they both video taped the act
- it was both cannibalism where 1 guy was killed by the other guy
- the were both lovers

and again the German connection. Too many similarities. Well this is my guess

[sedated_xtc]

its a copycat I think thats why he took off to Germany. I didnt watch the vid but this is what I hear that the guy wasnt resisting or fighting in the video. Like he was just on the bed chilling and the next scene he was already deceased. So:
- they both video taped the act
- it was both cannibalism where 1 guy was killed by the other guy
- the were both lovers

and again the German connection. Too many similarities. Well this is my guess

1) Lots of sick people video the messed up stuff they do. Bernardo did it too, remember?
2) Yeah, so? The Miami and Virginia cases that happen recently also had to do with guys killing other guys and eating them. Same with the Chinese guy that was on the Greyhound a couple years back. Doesn't mean was copying the German dude. He was just messed up in the head.
3) I thought that wasn't confirmed yet? And the German case wasn't between two lovers either, it was a guy that responded to another guy's ad in volunteering to be murdered and eaten.

I really don't see this being a "copycat" of the German case; this was just a really sick person who obviously has major issues and imo, much MUCH worse than the actual Meiwes case.

[Corleone187]

1) Lots of sick people video the messed up stuff they do. Bernardo did it too, remember?
2) Yeah, so? The Miami and Virginia cases that happen recently also had to do with guys killing other guys and eating them. Same with the Chinese guy that was on the Greyhound a couple years back. Doesn't mean was copying the German dude. He was just messed up in the head.
3) I thought that wasn't confirmed yet? And the German case wasn't between two lovers either, it was a guy that responded to another guy's ad in volunteering to be murdered and eaten.

I really don't see this being a "copycat" of the German case; this was just a really sick person who obviously has major issues and imo, much MUCH worse than the actual Meiwes case.

I think it's pretty clear that they had some kind of kinky relationship that maybe the victim was ashamed of which is why his friends never heard him talk about it.

The police kinda hinted to this but then realized that they should not talk about it any more until further notice so now they aren't saying anything

Its really hard to think that a grown man can be kidnapped by this 5'7" 125lbs guy without people seeing something happen so all things lead to the victim being at the killers house voluntarily

And why did he choose to go to Germany?

[masterhapposai]

1) Lots of sick people video the messed up stuff they do. Bernardo did it too, remember?
2) Yeah, so? The Miami and Virginia cases that happen recently also had to do with guys killing other guys and eating them. Same with the Chinese guy that was on the Greyhound a couple years back. Doesn't mean was copying the German dude. He was just messed up in the head.
3) I thought that wasn't confirmed yet? And the German case wasn't between two lovers either, it was a guy that responded to another guy's ad in volunteering to be murdered and eaten.

I really don't see this being a "copycat" of the German case; this was just a really sick person who obviously has major issues and imo, much MUCH worse than the actual Meiwes case.

its a sure enough copycat and on top of that pathetic. nothing special about it, nothing unique. he became OCD about getting fame and after multiple failed attempts to get on TV he decided this was the best way to get his mug on the screen, especially after copying

he tried to pathetically link himself to faila polka and loserardo in order to create a mystique and hipster serial killer vibe to it. but, failed miserably.

[NG]

That's not cool brah.

Rob Ford isn't that bad. He's been WAYYY better then david miller.

Everybody lets keep politics out of this otherwise the thread will be locked.

This was sent to both the Conservative and Liberal HQ's (it was just intercepted by the police before it made it to the Liberals).

This event has nothing to do with politics and the body parts could just have easily been mailed to the head office of Wal-Mart Canada or anywhere really.

[hdave]

Magnotta probably just sent it to both conservatives and liberals to maximize media exposure.

[Tornado F2]

QFT, nothing wrong with using 'kosher' as slang as described.


+1

it's a very popular and oft-used phrase in modern parlance, and i think anyone who hasn't lived under a rock for the past 20 years would know this

I'm well aware that it's commonly used, and apparently not considered offensive by most Jews, but it is of course the word used to describe foods considered acceptable for believers' consumption. Obviously cannibalism does not fit in with that.

"kosher" by itself - fine.

"kosher" + "cannibal" - definitely not.

Anyway, let's drop this. I'll take it as a thoughtless slip by Gord and let's say no more about it. Obviously the two words don't belong together. Not unless they're coming from the mouth of a hateful psycho, and I don't believe that's what he is for a minute.

[BornRuff]

I think it's pretty clear that they had some kind of kinky relationship that maybe the victim was ashamed of which is why his friends never heard him talk about it.

The police kinda hinted to this but then realized that they should not talk about it any more until further notice so now they aren't saying anything

Its really hard to think that a grown man can be kidnapped by this 5'7" 125lbs guy without people seeing something happen so all things lead to the victim being at the killers house voluntarily

And why did he choose to go to Germany?

I simply don't think there is anything compelling to suggest that he was inspired by that killer specifically. As others have said, that is a possibility, but nothing really points to it.

Going to Germany really doesn't prove anything. Why would he necessarily go to Germany if he was inspired by that case? The geographic location of the murder would seem to be the least important detail.

[45ED]

Wtf?


luka rocco magnotta video shown to students, teacher suspended

published 25 minutes ago

the canadian press


montreal—a teacher has been suspended by a montreal school for showing high-school students the infamous video that shows a killing allegedly committed by luka rocco magnotta.

the teacher showed the students the grotesque scenes on june 4 and was immediately suspended that afternoon — with pay.

Staff at cavelier-de lasalle high school in montreal’s west end say they quickly informed students that a team of psychologists was available to deal with any problems students might have had as a result of seeing the video.

the teacher apparently apologized to the school by email and is now scheduled to lay out his version of the facts before a labour-relations board today.

“we condemn with one voice the actions of the teacher who showed students a video whose content was as inappropriate as it was offensive,” the school board said in a statement wednesday.

“the incident is being taken very seriously.”

magnotta, a male escort and porn actor originally named eric newman, is awaiting extradition from germany and faces murder charges in the slaying of chinese exchange student jun lin.

A memorial is planned in montreal for lin tomorrow night.

A video circulating on the internet — called 1 lunatic, 1 ice pick — is believed by authorities to show lin’s murder in montreal several weeks ago.

It shows someone stabbing a man and dismembering him. It then shows the killer committing acts of sex and cannibalism on parts of the corpse.

Another montreal high-school teacher, speaking to the canadian press, says he has heard from several of his students who have watched the video at home and immediately regretted it

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1210668--luka-rocco-magnotta-video-shown-to-students-teacher-suspended?bn=1

[Tornado F2]

Wtf?

Fire that *** of a "teacher". His pay will be needed to pay for the psych help.

[Tornado F2]

You shouldn't believe everything you read.

Especially here in OT.

THAT IS ALL.

[45ED]

Wednesday, June 13, 2012 5:40:40 PM

CityNews Breaking News Alert

Body parts delivered to Vancouver schools belong to Jun Lin: Police

Montreal Police confirm that body parts delivered to two Vancouver elementary schools belong to murder victim Jun Lin.

Luka Magnotta is suspected in Lin’s death. He’s currently in a Berlin prison, awaiting extradition to Canada.

[Tornado F2]

+1

WTF is that, ***** is considered a swear word now??
The radio doesn't censor it, why is naziland err i mean RFD doing it

That (donkey) of a teacher did far worse, yet he's now being paid to take time off - in summer. :facepalm:



(BTW, one of those trolls, a usually frequent OT poster, has been absent from RFD since this killer went on the run. Coincidence or what?)

[flashy_mcflash]

Pretty sure the site will be fine, bud.

[mrperfect]

Hey Man,
Ive said it before, I would gladly sit down and share coffee with anyone here at the end of the day, Im sure most moderators will do the same.
Can you please let it go? You are simply hijacking this thread with things that has no connection to the topic. Have you talked to the Mod? Perhaps you guys start on a wrong foot or something but its time to let it go. Or just take your concerns to the Admin, just PM him to follow the dispute resolution process.
I can see you are passionate, but you are taking things way too personally to your heart -- please dont, we really dont hate you. Please calm down, and let it go. ( I just found out about somebody in real world whose life is a total mess in an instant, that made me grateful that my day could be much worse -- just a thought for our internet world problems).

Chill bro.:)

[Tornado F2]

Hey Man,
Ive said it before, I would gladly sit down and share coffee with anyone here at the end of the day, Im sure most moderators will do the same.
Can you please let it go? You are simply hijacking this thread with things that has no connection to the topic. Have you talked to the Mod? Perhaps you guys start on a wrong foot or something but its time to let it go. Or just take your concerns to the Admin, just PM him to follow the dispute resolution process.
I can see you are passionate, but you are taking things way too personally to your heart -- please dont, we really dont hate you. Please calm down, and let it go. ( I just found out about somebody in real world whose life is a total mess in an instant, that made me grateful that my day could be much worse -- just a thought for our internet world problems).

Chill bro.:)

I am "chilled" mate. I always have been. I'm never anything but civil in my dealings with others - up to the point where somebody makes false accusations against me. Then I stand up and defend myself. That's the way I am. The way everybody with a backbone should be really. I still don't resort to nastiness - that's really not me, regardless of what that troll minority might be whispering sneakily in the background. This only came up because NG accused me of "causing trouble" - odd as I've always been civil with him. I'd even warned him about the inappropriateness of his "kosher cannibal" post, rather than running off to report him like others would have. If the real trouble-causers had been properly dealt with in the first place this would have never come up, but time and again I see mods letting them get away scott-free while temp-banning their targets instead. I'm certainly not the only one seeing this. Eventually you're only going to have trouble-making trolls posting here, as the positive contributors will have all moved on elsewhere. Is that really what RFD management want? Anyway, this should be my last post on this. I've already said what needs to be said. It's up to RFD if they choose to listen or not. I've got far better and far more rewarding things to be doing with my time, and that's where I'm off now. :)

[Simaahoy]

The idiot teacher that showed the murder of Lin got fired. I cannot believe the kids are defending the guy sayng that they voted to wtch it. It shouldn't have been suggested in the first place. :facepalm:

[Simaahoy]

Where have you been?:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: When this news first broke, they refer to him as a "Gay Canadian Porn Star" especially on American media. After he was caugh they toned it down a little because he was just a nobody.

[BornRuff]

I was banned for defending freedom of speech and taking a stand against radical extremists for TWO MONTHS

They did refer to him as gay but later they were hiding it which is wrong

When has it ever been hidden? The media has been quite explicit about trying to detail his reported relationships, that have involved men, transvestites, and women. They showed footage of him on a TV show for gay men on OUTtv.

Are you upset because not every single piece of media coverage explicitly says that he had sex with men? You don't see every media article about anyone list their sexual orientation every time the person is mentioned. Do we need to be told that Steven Harper is straight every time he is mentioned in the media?

[BornRuff]

The same thing happened to me as well, I made some criticism and I got banned for TWO MONTHS >:(

There is definitely a double standard and no consistency on here, certain mods are going after certain posters who have a particular ideology and are doing whatever it takes to take them down. I already have been targeted numerous times and I cant say anything without being attacked.

As for this case, its really pathetic how there is a double standard in the media, the killer was GAY yet many tried to hide this.

As far as I could tell, you ate several bans for simply being an idiot in the way you posted on these forums. No ideology makes you act the way you do. Being right wing, socially conservative, or against LRTs doesn't have to make you derail and ruin threads. Pretending as such is an insult to intelligent people who hold those views.

[stuntman]

I thought that the killer is gay not was gay. Is he hetro now?

[uber_shnitz]

Luka Magnotta is reportedly bisexual.

[Simaahoy]

^^ Stop derailing the thread, obviously you are just doing that by purpose.

I think this trial is something I would want to see on tv. If only Canada alowed cameras in the court room.

[BornRuff]

There were certain cases where the media was trying to hide he was gay and didn't bother to mention it, this bothers me. Many times they didn't mention he was gay and this is a big problem because of double standards. Michael Coren reported on this.

I said that my ideology isn't the same as the mods that were targeting me so that's why i was targeted.

As for my banning I wasnt an idiot, what is idiotic about defending women from abuse, rape which I was doing. I defend freedom whenever I can and thats all I was doing. I dared to speak the truth and speak out on the "religion of peace" and for that I was banned.

Why do you expect them to label him as gay in every single news piece about him?

Are you also upset that Steven Harper isn't clearly labeled straight in every single news article about him?

The fact that you think posting on a forum protects women from rape and abuse kind of proves my previous point.

[BornRuff]

^^ Stop derailing the thread, obviously you are just doing that by purpose.

I think this trial is something I would want to see on tv. If only Canada alowed cameras in the court room.

Only a matter of time before his next ban. I would have to imagine the next one will be permanent.

This thread has taken a very strange personal turn. Reading some of the last few pages is quite.....interesting.

[Hitman21]

Why do you expect them to label him as gay in every single news piece about him?


Because the media have a responsibility to report the truth and the fact that he is gay is definitely important to cover. The point I am trying to make is this guy did horrible things and he was gay so the media should report he was gay.

[BornRuff]

Because the media have a responsibility to report the truth and the fact that he is gay is definitely important to cover. The point I am trying to make is this guy did horrible things and he was gay so the media should report he was gay.

Go ahead, enlighten us on why exactly you think him being gay is so important that it must be included in every news article about him?

What about the guy who shot everyone in the Eaton Center. I never heard any news outlet brand him as gay or straight. Are you upset about that as well?

[jaxx lite]

Luka Magnotta is reportedly bisexual.


An ex-girlfriend said that he was only interested in holding hands with her and nothing else

so most likely, he is gay

-

[samkat]

Now did the pyscho killer speak french ? Did the media report that too ?

[stuntman]

he was gay so the media should report he was gay.
They did report he was gay. Do you want them to point a big arrows on every picture of him with the word "GAY"?
He also liked the TV show House but I don't see that being reported.

Is being gay bad?



Another maybe, OT question......read the first quote. Then read the second. Were you banned for critisizing the French or defending women from abuse or about "religion of peace"?


As for my banning I wasnt an idiot, what is idiotic about defending women from abuse, rape which I was doing. I defend freedom whenever I can and thats all I was doing. I dared to speak the truth and speak out on the "religion of peace" and for that I was banned.


I was banned for TWO MONTHS for criticizing the french,

[ottofly]

Can't believe I was temp banned for talking about this stupid murder.

Everyone has seen the naked butt with no legs at the top of the search results right?

Anyways.... RFD sucks...

Never coming back here again.


And I might as well just say it. I have never been temp banned so many times in my life ANYWHERE. Usually, actually, almost every single time, for no reason what-so-ever.

It's bunch asshats in this place. That's the truth.

In real life we would never, ever, ever get along, not a single one of you self entitled, know it all, self righteous, anti-intellectual, morons.

That's how I honestly see it. There are about maybe 5-10 people on this whole board who have any sense of intelligence.


Good riddance. Seems you've been a hit and made friends on the ASPD phsycopath forums where you definitely belong. Please please never come back. Do us all a favor and take Hitman and the spammer/troll Toronado with you.

[D-Roc]

Good riddance. Seems you've been a hit and made friends on the ASPD phsycopath forums where you definitely belong. Please please never come back. Do us all a favor and take Hitman and the spammer/troll Toronado with you.

I agree 100%!!!

[BluePhirePB]

MrKap: Posts - 3,875

Ok, so that number shouldn't change since he's gone for good as he claims.

[D-Roc]

You know what RFD needs to do.


Thought you were done with RFD?

[konfusion666]

this thread is done. completely derailed and turned into a whining fest for all of RFD's most notorious trolls.
it's not surprising that this massive derailment happens mere hours after the Great Hitman21 returns to RFD, lol

[oranr]

Please keep on topic if you would like this thread to remain open.

Thanks

[Hitman21]

I agree 100%!!!


:facepalm: I am probably one of the most misunderstood and hated people on this forum. I have repeatedly stated this but I am not a troll, my views are much different from the typical rfder and as my sig states my opinions tend to rile up the more pc members. Just because people disagree with me doesn't make me a troll.

I like your sig though, it shows me speaking the truth

[D-Roc]

:facepalm: I am probably one of the most misunderstood and hated people on this forum. I have repeatedly stated this but I am not a troll, my views are much different from the typical rfder and as my sig states my opinions tend to rile up the more pc members. Just because people disagree with me doesn't make me a troll.

I like your sig though, it shows me speaking the truth

:facepalm:

There are many things you are, but misunderstood is not one of them. Your biases and prejudices come through loud and clear.


And as per Oranr

Please keep on topic if you would like this thread to remain open.

Thanks

[Simaahoy]

Good riddance. Seems you've been a hit and made friends on the ASPD phsycopath forums where you definitely belong. Please please never come back. Do us all a favor and take Hitman and the spammer/troll Toronado with you.

+1

This thread is dead.:-0

[BornRuff]

:facepalm: I am probably one of the most misunderstood and hated people on this forum. I have repeatedly stated this but I am not a troll, my views are much different from the typical rfder and as my sig states my opinions tend to rile up the more pc members. Just because people disagree with me doesn't make me a troll.

I like your sig though, it shows me speaking the truth


:facepalm:

There are many things you are, but misunderstood is not one of them. Your biases and prejudices come through loud and clear.


And as per Oranr

+1

The problem is that we understand you loud and clear. Not everything is a matter of opinion. Some things are simply wrong.

[Tornado F2]

As far as I could tell, you ate several bans for simply being an idiot in the way you posted on these forums. No ideology makes you act the way you do. Being right wing, socially conservative, or against LRTs doesn't have to make you derail and ruin threads. Pretending as such is an insult to intelligent people who hold those views.

Isn't calling another member an "idiot" considered infraction-worthy around here? After all, I received an infraction from Mom for calling that teacher that showed the murder to his class a (3-letter donkey) - which of course he is - and he's not even known to be an RFDer. Some very selective and inconsistent modding going on in this thread.

Anyway, I wish the posties would hurry up and get that head delivered, wherever it's bound.

[Hitman21]

Isn't calling another member an "idiot" considered infraction-worthy around here? After all, I received an infraction from Mom for calling that teacher that showed the murder to his class a (3-letter donkey) - which of course he is - and he's not even known to be an RFDer. Some very selective and inconsistent modding going on in this thread.

Anyway, I wish the posties would hurry up and get that head delivered, wherever it's bound.

Didn't you know there is a double standard on here, Anything you or I say is offensive and must be punished meanwhile the real troublemakers and agitators are protected.

[BornRuff]

Isn't calling another member an "idiot" considered infraction-worthy around here? After all, I received an infraction from Mom for calling that teacher that showed the murder to his class a (3-letter donkey) - which of course he is - and he's not even known to be an RFDer. Some very selective and inconsistent modding going on in this thread.

Anyway, I wish the posties would hurry up and get that head delivered, wherever it's bound.

That teacher is much more sympathetic than Hitman.

[Simaahoy]

He is on his way to Canada according to the CBC, let the media circus begin >:(

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/06/18/pol-luka-magnotta-suspect-.html

[Corleone187]

yeah he probably hid the head somewhere and wont tell anyone unless they give in to ridiculous demands

[masterhapposai]

I'm just glad the thread is focused on updates now.

The whole "lets put some mystery, theory and mythos into him! wow, what a legendary figure" stuff was getting silly.

The guy's a nobody, plain and simple, who raged over failing to get on an obscure show and was likely raped as a child. There's the great breakdown of his psyche, not so romantic is it?

[Tornado F2]

yeah he probably hid the head somewhere and wont tell anyone unless they give in to ridiculous demands

If the creep makes any demands at all, hand him over to China.

I can't believe they sent over an Airbus ,and more staff than the Germans needed to arrest him, just to bring him back. He's simply not worth it.

[wilsonlam97]

If the creep makes any demands at all, hand him over to China.

I can't believe they sent over an Airbus ,and more staff than the Germans needed to arrest him, just to bring him back. He's simply not worth it.

Call China up and get them to "deal with it".

[BornRuff]

If the creep makes any demands at all, hand him over to China.

I can't believe they sent over an Airbus ,and more staff than the Germans needed to arrest him, just to bring him back. He's simply not worth it.

It was the most logical way to get him here. The army has tons of planes flying all over the world every day. Making a flight to pick this guy up doesn't really represent much of an extra burden for them.

[Tornado F2]

It was the most logical way to get him here. The army has tons of planes flying all over the world every day. Making a flight to pick this guy up doesn't really represent much of an extra burden for them.

I really hope it was a regular routine military flight, and not specially sent just for him.

If that were the case, (special flight). then a smaller, slower plane, of even a cargo container on a ship, should have done.

[45ED]

Are you kidding me?


Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:24:42 PM

Luka Magnotta pleads not guilty in death of Jun Lin

Luka Magnotta has pleaded not guilty in the death of Jun Lin, The Canadian Press reports.
The 29-year-old appeared in a Montreal courtroom via video link.

[flashy_mcflash]

If you can't figure out by now that he is doing this for maximum attention and notoriety, I don't even know. Of course he will drag this out as long as possible. The dude is disturbed and was seeking attention for years and years, and this whole crime was contrived because of his own narcissism. That's also why he was caught. He wants this trial to be a circus, and it will be.

[BornRuff]

Are you kidding me?

What did you expect? It would have been shocking to me to see him give up the right to a highly publicized trial.

[45ED]

If you can't figure out by now that he is doing this for maximum attention and notoriety, I don't even know. Of course he will drag this out as long as possible. The dude is disturbed and was seeking attention for years and years, and this whole crime was contrived because of his own narcissism. That's also why he was caught. He wants this trial to be a circus, and it will be.

What did you expect? It would have been shocking to me to see him give up the right to a highly publicized trial.

Ah, right -- I forgot for a second that he's, among other things, an attention w***e.

I just rather liked the fact that he entered the country on a rather low-key note (albeit for security reasons). I was hoping that it would continue and that he would get as little of what he wanted as possible. And that everything else around the case is just as disinteresting as possible. Is it wrong to want him to shrivel up in oblivion?

[ji2o0k]

Eric Newman: "If I plead not guilty, I will be on TV and in the media for a long time while the trial goes through its process....I will finally be a superstar!. They will write books about me, film a documentary and movies about me....yes!"

Sick twisted bastard....definitely should just ignore him and provide as little coverage as possible...really don't want to read about the grisly details of the murder in the news....

[flashy_mcflash]

Eric Newman: "If I plead not guilty, I will be on TV and in the media for a long time while the trial goes through its process....I will finally be a superstar!. They will write books about me, film a documentary and movies about me....yes!"


The sad thing is that this is exactly what he likely thinks and believes. The sadder thing is that those books, documentaries, and movies are almost certainly forthcoming.

[45ED]

The sad thing is that this is exactly what he likely thinks and believes. The sadder thing is that those books, documentaries, and movies are almost certainly forthcoming.

And even worse is the possibility that just like how Paul Bernardo largely "inspired" Magnotta, he, in turn, might inspire someone else. Especially with the reach of not only movies, documentaries, and books, but the sheer reach of social media and the internet itself.

Media, as a whole, is a different creature now than during the Bernardo+Homolka case.

[djemzine]

All I hope is that after going through a psychiatric evaluation, he is found guilty, to which we all know. Meaning some criminals/murderers are let go easily off the leash because they are classified as insane, etc. I hope this doesn't affect this situation. Insane or sane, he should be put behind bars.

[laptop-tech]

All I hope is that after going through a psychiatric evaluation, he is found guilty, to which we all know. Meaning some criminals/murderers are let go easily off the leash because they are classified as insane, etc. I hope this doesn't affect this situation. Insane or sane, he should be put behind bars.

and preferably feed once every 2-3 days, enough to keep him alive but slowly starve to death.

[manmanny]

Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:24:42 PM

Luka Magnotta pleads not guilty in death of Jun Lin

Luka Magnotta has pleaded not guilty in the death of Jun Lin, The Canadian Press reports.
The 29-year-old appeared in a Montreal courtroom via video link.


Are you kidding me?

Thought same when I heard that.

[djemzine]

and preferably feed once every 2-3 days, enough to keep him alive but slowly starve to death.

Yup pretty much.

[ishfish]

All I hope is that after going through a psychiatric evaluation, he is found guilty, to which we all know. Meaning some criminals/murderers are let go easily off the leash because they are classified as insane, etc. I hope this doesn't affect this situation. Insane or sane, he should be put behind bars.

Given what we know it would be difficult for him to prove that he had a condition that impaired his ability to form intent etc.

Would he want to try insanity (really an American term not used in Canada) as a defense? - maybe to drag out the attention received but it would go against his narcissism.

[hdave]

Looking at him I think he'd have a much much harder time in general population at a maximum security prison.

[Tornado F2]

If you can't figure out by now that he is doing this for maximum attention and notoriety, I don't even know. Of course he will drag this out as long as possible. The dude is disturbed and was seeking attention for years and years, and this whole crime was contrived because of his own narcissism. That's also why he was caught. He wants this trial to be a circus, and it will be.

This is why he, and his trial, needs to be ignored as much as possible, in order not to encourage future psycho drama queens.

The media should report as little as possible: if/when the head is recovered, when he is sentenced, when he is dead. Nothing else is necessary. It's just a shame that we the taxpayers are on the hook for his storage for the rest of his life. Hopefully (former Col) Williams can do his country one last service by taking out the rest of the trash held in his prison wing. (Bernardo, Tori Stafford's killer, etc). There's no reason to keep their sort around.

[Tornado F2]

The sad thing is that this is exactly what he likely thinks and believes. The sadder thing is that those books, documentaries, and movies are almost certainly forthcoming.

If they are (and sadly they probably are), everybody should make a point of ignoring them too. Don't let others profit from his crimes either. It's time for this whole cycle to stop. Let's hear more reports about heroic, selfless, productive people who go out of their way to improve society, not these sick perverted selfish b*****ds.

[samkat]

The pyscho must have really enjoyed seeing crowds huddled and camped out just to get a view of him in the burgandy coloured police van as he was transported to the courthouse.

[masterhapposai]

The pyscho must have really enjoyed seeing crowds huddled and camped out just to get a view of him in the burgandy coloured police van as he was transported to the courthouse.

he must be put down and ridiculed in a derogatory manner. any other kind of public treatment will encourage repeats

tar & feather sounds appropriate, his name erased on his grave, and a ban on media/movies regarding him

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/Philip_Dawe_%28attributed%29%2C_The_Bostonians_Pay ing_the_Excise-man%2C_or_Tarring_and_Feathering_%281774%29_-_02.jpg

[yao416]

Remember guys





















INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY

[Tornado F2]

Remember guys


INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY

I haven't seen it myself, nor have I any intention to, but it sounds like an awful lot of people have seen his sick video and are now eyewitnesses to the murder. If his own video shows him committing the murder (and more) then there's really little (if any) room for doubt.



As for suitable punishment, I would recommend that he be hung, drawn, and QUARTERED, just like in the old days.

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/jlv/lowres/jlvn1828l.jpg

[XtremeModder]

I haven't seen it myself, nor have I any intention to, but it sounds like an awful lot of people have seen his sick video and are now eyewitnesses to the murder. If his own video shows him committing the murder (and more) then there's really little (if any) room for doubt.



As for suitable punishment, I would recommend that he be hung, drawn, and QUARTERED, just like in the old days.

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/jlv/lowres/jlvn1828l.jpg

Or like I always say, bring back the death penalty to get rid of people who murder people intentionally (1st degree).

I know someone who was last year convicted of 2nd degree murder, and trust me I was beyond shocked.

Rumour is is that he's out on bail but no one knows where he is or what he's doing and although he was a friend, he killed someone for reasons that none of us know and should rot in jail for the rest of his life. It wasn't self defense cause we would know.

[saint2e]

Oh, Winnipeg.

http://jimromenesko.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/footloose.gif

[45ED]

Oh, Winnipeg.

http://jimromenesko.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/footloose.gif

I lol'd - that's so bad. I thought that was something someone photoshop'd. But it's rea (http://reader.metronews.ca/digital_launch.aspx?eid=3047f76b-1c18-46ec-905b-f418359dd4ec&skip=true)l...

[rsasp]

It would be really scary if they actually let him out on bail after couple years.

Death penalty is there for a reason, and it has served its purpose for thousand of years.

[Tornado F2]

Or like I always say, bring back the death penalty to get rid of people who murder people intentionally (1st degree).

I'm not a supporter of the death penalty myself, especially where there's any chance at all of an innocent person being convicted. But when cases like this come along, where the crime is so unspeakably evil, the killer is so remorseless and unredeemable, it just doesn't seem worth the expense of storing them for the rest of their lives. Best to just end it ASAP and move on. There are far too many people out there in real need for us to be wasting limited resources on trash like this.

[zoober]

I'm only a fan of the death penalty to save the tax payers money in the long run.

Much more interested in them studying his brain and letting him get fat and old behind bars. He won't be so pretty in 20 years.

[LaserEnvy]

If the death penalty existed in Canada, those parents in the Charles Smith cases might have been wrongfully executed.

[hdave]

Not to mention that the death penalty costs taxpayers much more than life in prison.
And death is the easy way out, at least life in prison is misery for the rest of your life vs just a few short years

[Kingmoo]

Not to mention that the death penalty costs taxpayers much more than life in prison.
And death is the easy way out, at least life in prison is misery for the rest of your life vs just a few short years

there is no misery in canadadian country club prisons. and if you're gay it's paradise

[BornRuff]

Anyone who is calling for the death penalty for this guy is an idiot and knows nothing about this case. If canada had a death penalty, there would be no chance of him being charged for his crimes. Germany would have set him free if we had a death penalty :facepalm:

They don't generally just let people free in these cases. Countries will extradite prisoners to the US if they agree not to use the death penalty.

[hdave]

there is no misery in canadadian country club prisons. and if you're gay it's paradise

I am not 100% sure about how it is but pretty sure if he is convicted he'd be in a maximum security prison probably in segregation.

[D-Roc]

I am not 100% sure about how it is but pretty sure if he is convicted he'd be in a maximum security prison probably in segregation.

More than likely yes. He will be roomies with Bernardo and Williams. BTW did they announce where they are moving them too once Kingston is shut down?

[dirkpitt]

I lol'd - that's so bad. I thought that was something someone photoshop'd. But it's rea (http://reader.metronews.ca/digital_launch.aspx?eid=3047f76b-1c18-46ec-905b-f418359dd4ec&skip=true)l...It took me a minute... I thought that perhaps the lulz what the "cropped" model... but alas, no... nothing so subtle... :|

[Tornado F2]

It took me a minute... I thought that perhaps the lulz what the "cropped" model... but alas, no... nothing so subtle... :|

Me too. It wasn't just the celebratory dancers that were misplaced. That really was terrible of the editor there.

[Tornado F2]

If the death penalty existed in Canada, those parents in the Charles Smith cases might have been wrongfully executed.

No sane country would have the death penalty for crib death cases. But for cannibalism. Posted online. Oh yes, definitely there.

[Tornado F2]

Anyone who is calling for the death penalty for this guy is an idiot and knows nothing about this case. If canada had a death penalty, there would be no chance of him being charged for his crimes. Germany would have set him free if we had a death penalty :facepalm:

Sorry, but your post is the idiotic one here. Germany would release a psychotic killer onto its streets rather than send him home to face punishment, just because it might include the death penalty? Get real. :facepalm:

[Simaahoy]

I heard on the new they used Mirbel airport since people have been gathering at Dorvol and the other airport, and the victims:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: family was chased down by media? when they came to Canada. I don't understand why people do things like this....

[Tornado F2]

He won't be so pretty in 20 years.

He isn't now, is he? All I see is a sicko weirdo.

[Tornado F2]

I heard on the new they used Mirbel airport since people have been gathering at Dorvol and the other airport, and the victims:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: family was chased down by media? when they came to Canada. I don't understand why people do things like this....

It would have been far better if they'd just flown him directly to Iglooktuk, our very own Gitmo-of-the-North. Zero publicity at all then.

[Tornado F2]

Not to mention that the death penalty costs taxpayers much more than life in prison.


How did you arrive at that? I know the US seems to hold inmates for life, and then executes them, but I'm sure they could fast-track the system if they really wanted to. Cut out those 30 years, at $100,000+/yr, (current dollars), and you've got some real savings.

[stuntman]

I'm only a fan of the death penalty to save the tax payers money in the long run.

Much more interested in them studying his brain and letting him get fat and old behind bars. He won't be so pretty in 20 years.

Without makeup he is not so pretty right now.

[hdave]

How did you arrive at that? I know the US seems to hold inmates for life, and then executes them, but I'm sure they could fast-track the system if they really wanted to. Cut out those 30 years, at $100,000+/yr, (current dollars), and you've got some real savings.

Death Penalty is a lengthier process = more appeals, more court time, more lawyers, more everything.
All of that cost adds up, lawyers are very expensive.

With that being said, there are arguments on both sides, some say it is cheaper, others say it is more expensive.
IMO I've seen/read/heard much more about the death penalty being more expensive.

[hdave]

He isn't now, is he? All I see is a sicko weirdo.

Clearly he is a "pretty boy"
You should have the ability to see that even though he's a crazy killer

[Tornado F2]

Clearly he is a "pretty boy"
You should have the ability to see that even though he's a crazy killer

Nope, I just googled his pics and all I see is somebody who is obviously a weirdo. I'm not going to post any here as an example because, as posted earlier, I don't think we should give him the recognition he so obviously craves.

My mates all said the same thing when the news came out, BTW. He's obviously "attractive" to a very different crowd.

[flashy_mcflash]

This guy sure looked like a normal, even attractive guy too.

http://i.imgur.com/ablif.jpg

[Tornado F2]

This guy sure looked like a normal, even attractive guy too.


This looks like a nice family too:

http://www.ucangift99.0catch.com/pols/aminandarafat.jpg

You obviously can't go off photos, though things are pretty evident sometimes.

[Tornado F2]

Here's another then-future-psycho-killer:

http://www.gpsjr.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/A-Real-Baby-Hitler.jpg

There have obviously been far too many out there already. Time to stop giving them the publicity they seek. It comes at far too high a cost.

[flyingpet]

There's something that creeps me out when I look at Luka Rocco Magnotta's photo......

I would say Pretty or not is more of a personal preference, but he is definitely not the kind and helpful type.....:(

[hdave]

Probably because you now know he's a crazy killer.
I'm sure if he was a vet you guy's wouldn't say that

[Simaahoy]

Probably because you now know he's a crazy killer.
I'm sure if he was a vet you guy's wouldn't say that

In his photoshopped/touched up photos, he looks really creepy. Although when he step off the plane he looked really small and different....:confused:

[hdave]

Ohh yeah lol
I should have mentioned in normal pictures only, not in his weird ones haha

[popogrey]

There's something that creeps me out when I look at Luka Rocco Magnotta's photo......

I would say Pretty or not is more of a personal preference, but he is definitely not the kind and helpful type.....:(

I'd say he probably had a lot of plastic surgery done to look like that.. his nose and lips look off

[Simaahoy]

Luka Rocco Magnotta, accused of killing and dismembering Chinese student Jun Lin, has not asked for a psychiatric assessment but wants to be tried by a judge and jury.

Magnotta appeared in person at the Montreal courthouse Thursday, where only seven journalists were granted access to his hearing, and had to pass through a metal detector.

Magnotta's new lawyer Luc Leclair didn't ask the court for a psychiatric evaluation, but requested that his client's eventual trial be heard by a judge and jury.

A publication ban has been granted over some details of the pre-trial hearings. Magnotta's next court date will be early next year, with a preliminary hearing scheduled for March 2013.

The accused has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder and four other charges in the grisly killing in late May of Lin, a 33-year-old Concordia University student.

Magnotta, 29, is accused of mailing Lin's body parts to different places including the Ottawa offices of the Conservative Party of Canada, the Liberal Party of Canada and two Vancouver schools. He is also accused of posting a video of the events on the internet.


The charges he faces include defiling Lin's corpse, harassing Prime Minister Stephen Harper and members of Parliament, and publishing and mailing obscene material.

After Magnotta's highly publicized Tuesday arraignment, his lawyer Pierre Panaccio said he'd weigh the option of requesting a psychological assessment, ahead of any trial proceedings.

Magnotta was extradited from Germany to Montreal aboard a Canadian Forces aircraft on June 18, accompanied by a heavy security detail that included local police investigators, RCMP officers and Canadian Border Services authorities.

His extradition came two weeks after his June 4 arrest in Berlin at a cybercafé, where an employee recognized him from photos issued by Interpol.

The international police agency orchestrated a global manhunt for Magnotta after Montreal police issued a warrant for his arrest.

Chinese national Jun Lin was a student at Concordia University. (CBC)
Magnotta is currently being held at a detention centre in Rivières-des-Prairies, a borough on the eastern edge of the island of Montreal.

Jun Lin's torso was found in a suitcase outside an apartment in Montreal on May 29, the same day his hand and foot were mailed to the Ottawa offices of the federal Conservative and Liberal parties.

His other hand and foot were discovered by staff opening packages at two schools in Vancouver several days later.

Lin's family has travelled to Montreal from China to retrieve his remains. Lin's head has yet to be found nearly a month after his death.

The victim's family have kept a low profile since their arrival in Canada. Earlier this month they published an open letter in which they said their son was the family's "pride and joy."






http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2012/06/20/luka-magnotta-in-court-for-possible-psychiatric-evaluation.html

[Corleone187]

so his excuse is going to be that it was consensual? like that German case?

[flashy_mcflash]

Probably because you now know he's a crazy killer.
I'm sure if he was a vet you guy's wouldn't say that

Agreed, that's what I was getting at with the Manson pic.

[Corleone187]

ok looks like my suspicions were right in this case.

We know he rejected psych evaluation and he is pleading not guilty in light of the video tape and ALL the MASSIVE evidence. So most likely he will say the Jun guy and him agreed to this kinky act and charade just like the German fellows. So he is going to say that they agreed to play this game where he would kill the guy and send his parts


WTH with these weirdo lovers? :confused:

Looks like a copycat crime and that his lover Jun Lin guy was part of it? WTH?? Weirdos!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lidtN-XJaWs

[BornRuff]

ok looks like my suspicions were right in this case.

We know he rejected psych evaluation and he is pleading not guilty in light of the video tape and ALL the MASSIVE evidence. So most likely he will say the Jun guy and him agreed to this kinky act and charade just like the German fellows. So he is going to say that they agreed to play this game where he would kill the guy and send his parts

That is a pretty bold assumption. There are about a million other things he could claim.

[Corleone187]

That is a pretty bold assumption. There are about a million other things he could claim.

not really, it was a copycat. It's not like the 2 cases have zero similarity. They are almost identical where the guy ate him and it seemed like some bondage thingy. And then he takes off to Germany out of all the countries in the world he could have gone, which also happens to be the home of the crime of the copycat

[Corleone187]

so far we know that

- the police originally said they were lovers which of course they are not going to blindly say without some sort of evidence. Then they realized they shouldn't be revealing this info to the public so they simply stopped talking about it. The original case also involved 2 lovers

- The original case involved filming of the kinky act, so did the copycat crime

- The original case involved cannibalism, so did the copycat

- The original case involved the guy ending it with a knife to the throat, this is also exactly what happened in the copycat. Knife + Throat

- There is a connection with Germany

- Magnotta is pleading not guilty and he has shown not be be insane since he took off and was crying on the plane which showed he had some guilt and knew what he was doing was wrong

- So if he is pleading not guilty and we know the MASSIVE evidence. Obviously he is not going to say that he didn't kill the Jun guy. He is going to say that he killed him, this evidence can't be denied. And there is NO self-defence whatsoever from the massive evidence because the video tape proves it was not self defence

So yeah that leads to only 1 thing, the consensual copycat crime!

[uber_shnitz]

So what if he did copycat another crime? Does every bank robber copycat the first guy who decided to rob a bank? Why is this even an issue? This isn't a creative piece where you can debaet "originality" it's a gruesome murder crime.

[Corleone187]

So what if he did copycat another crime? Does every bank robber copycat the first guy who decided to rob a bank? Why is this even an issue? This isn't a creative piece where you can debaet "originality" it's a gruesome murder crime.

did the bank getting robbed consent to getting robbed? Im thinking NOT!

[uber_shnitz]

did the bank getting robbed consent to getting robbed? Im thinking NOT!
Consent makes it ok?

By all means, Luka can try and prove Jun Lin consented to being killed, maimed, raped and shipped out to various places if he wants, but that doesn't change the fact that what he did was horrible.

[Corleone187]

Consent makes it ok?

By all means, Luka can try and prove Jun Lin consented to being killed, maimed, raped and shipped out to various places if he wants, but that doesn't change the fact that what he did was horrible.

All i did was eliminate all the possible excuses someone would try in this case to narrow down what his excuse would be using. And this seems to be it. What other excuse would he try with an innocent plea!

Self defence is out the window and same with insanity and those 2 are the biggest excuses in this situation. And yet his plea is not guilty. So we know most likely he will use this excuse

[gamer123]

Magnotta's next court date will be early next year, with a preliminary hearing scheduled for March 2013.

wtf?

[BornRuff]

All i did was eliminate all the possible excuses someone would try in this case to narrow down what his excuse would be using. And this seems to be it. What other excuse would he try with an innocent plea!

Self defence is out the window and same with insanity and those 2 are the biggest excuses in this situation. And yet his plea is not guilty. So we know most likely he will use this excuse

lol, self defense, insanity, and he wanted me to do it are the only possible defenses? Good thing you are not the prosecution on this case.

The more likely scenario is that he simply says that it wasn't him in the video and he didn't kill anyone.

[BornRuff]

wtf?

These cases generally take years.

For a recent example, just look at the Tori Stafford case. They charged Rafferty in May 2009 but he was only convicted recently. McClintic assisted the police and plead guilty, but event that wasn't all finalized until the end of 2010.

[Corleone187]

lol, self defense, insanity, and he wanted me to do it are the only possible defenses? Good thing you are not the prosecution on this case.

The more likely scenario is that he simply says that it wasn't him in the video and he didn't kill anyone.

lol guess we'll see who's right? Your "likely" scenario where he says it isn't him (lol) , yet has those blood stains and runs away, then says "you got me" at the internet cafe, or mine :)

[popogrey]

I read somewhere that magnotta hung out on the craigslist's looking for male section
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Montreal+Craigslist+users+posted+warnings+about+re sembling+Luka+Magnotta/6709708/story.html

I'm going to assume that Jun did reply, but I doubt that he wanted to be killed, eaten and sent around canada in boxes

[BornRuff]

lol guess we'll see who's right? Your "likely" scenario where he says it isn't him (lol) , yet has those blood stains and runs away, then says "you got me" at the internet cafe, or mine :)

Saying "you got me" isn't an admission of guilt. Blood stains and running don't prove that he killed the guy, much less that it was premeditated(aka murder in the first degree).

I don't think there is any chance in hell that he wont be convicted, but he can certainly draw this out in court. Claiming that the guy wanted to be killed is not his only option to do that. Hell, I don't even know if that would get him a trial, since saying that would be admitting to murdering the guy. I don't know of any law in Canada that excuses murder if the guy wanted it, so what would the trial even be about?

[Corleone187]

Saying "you got me" isn't an admission of guilt. Blood stains and running don't prove that he killed the guy, much less that it was premeditated(aka murder in the first degree).

I don't think there is any chance in hell that he wont be convicted, but he can certainly draw this out in court. Claiming that the guy wanted to be killed is not his only option to do that. Hell, I don't even know if that would get him a trial, since saying that would be admitting to murdering the guy. I don't know of any law in Canada that excuses murder if the guy wanted it, so what would the trial even be about?

just say he assisted him in suicide and gets 14 years or something?

vs

obvious murder with the massive evidence. You got his video camera, the IP address of the video upload, the blood stains in his apartment, the upload of the YT video 2 weeks BEFORE the murder (premeditated), etc etc etc

Pretty sure he's not going to say it wasn't him :lol:

[BornRuff]

just say he assisted him in suicide and gets 14 years or something?

vs

obvious murder with the massive evidence. You got his video camera, the IP address of the video upload, the blood stains in his apartment, the upload of the YT video 2 weeks BEFORE the murder (premeditated), etc etc etc

Pretty sure he's not going to say it wasn't him :lol:

I have not watched the video, but I am pretty sure that it does not clearly show who the killer is. It is reported to be dimly lit, and they always say that it "allegedly" shows this crime. Many people have mentioned stuff like how the room looks similar to the room in his other videos, but I have not heard anyone say that it clearly shows that it is in fact him. So asserting that it is not him in the video would not be unthinkable.

What YT video are you referring to? Where did you hear that they track down the IP address that uploaded the video? How do either of these things really irrefutably prove he committed first degree murder anyways?

Again, let me be clear that I have no doubt that he will be convicted. I simply disagree that claiming he wanted to be killed is the only possible thing he could claim right now. There are many different ways he could go forward, and claiming that it wasn't him is probably the most likely.

I do not believe that this would really fall under the assisted suicide laws in Canada. He didn't just help him, he tied him up and killed him. I have heard that the video shows the victim screaming for help, so, that kind of removes that anyways.

In that German case, apparently the guy cut off the victims penis, and they both tried to eat it. It doesn't appear like there was any sort of cooperation like that in this case.

[Simaahoy]

(CNN) -- A porn actor suspected of killing and dismembering a university student in Montreal "trusts the Canadian judicial system," his attorney said after a hearing Thursday afternoon

CNN is still at it LOOOOL, huge improvement from STAR though...

[Corleone187]

I have not watched the video, but I am pretty sure that it does not clearly show who the killer is. It is reported to be dimly lit, and they always say that it "allegedly" shows this crime. Many people have mentioned stuff like how the room looks similar to the room in his other videos, but I have not heard anyone say that it clearly shows that it is in fact him. So asserting that it is not him in the video would not be unthinkable.

What YT video are you referring to? Where did you hear that they track down the IP address that uploaded the video? How do either of these things really irrefutably prove he committed first degree murder anyways?

Again, let me be clear that I have no doubt that he will be convicted. I simply disagree that claiming he wanted to be killed is the only possible thing he could claim right now. There are many different ways he could go forward, and claiming that it wasn't him is probably the most likely.

I do not believe that this would really fall under the assisted suicide laws in Canada. He didn't just help him, he tied him up and killed him. I have heard that the video shows the victim screaming for help, so, that kind of removes that anyways.

In that German case, apparently the guy cut off the victims penis, and they both tried to eat it. It doesn't appear like there was any sort of cooperation like that in this case.

It's a known fact that a webserver especially from Youtube is going to log the IPs of people who upload videos. Kinda like what Magnotta did 2 weeks before he comitted the crime. I won't link to the YT vid but you can probably do a search for the guy's name on Youtube where he clearly states in the title and description his full NAME and the Name of the Vid which he killed the guy and was to appear 2 weeks after..."1 lunatic and icepic" or something

Oh yeah and I heard he also did it with the corpse so yeah, you know what that leaves behind. Oh yeah and it just happened that his dog magically appeared in the video even though that's not him in the vid? :D

It's not a secret that it's him unless someone had a time machine and uploaded the video 2 weeks before the killing?

He tied him up you say so it's not going to work his assisted suicide excuse? Thats what I think they do in kinky bondage just like the German crime he copied. They have stuff like cages and probably whips because they enjoy it, not because it's not consensual.

Anyways, it's obvious to me that he doesn't have a leg to stand on unless he can come up with a time machine that actually works...so he's going to say yeah he killed the guy but they agreed to the fetish assisted suicide thing

[BornRuff]

It's a known fact that a webserver especially from Youtube is going to log the IPs of people who upload videos. Kinda like what Magnotta did 2 weeks before he comitted the crime. I won't link to the YT vid but you can probably do a search for the guy's name on Youtube where he clearly states in the title and description his full NAME and the Name of the Vid which he killed the guy and was to appear 2 weeks after..."1 lunatic and icepic" or something

Oh yeah and I heard he also did it with the corpse so yeah, you know what that leaves behind. Oh yeah and it just happened that his dog magically appeared in the video even though that's not him in the vid? :D

It's not a secret that it's him unless someone had a time machine and uploaded the video 2 weeks before the killing?

He tied him up you say so it's not going to work his assisted suicide excuse? Thats what I think they do in kinky bondage just like the German crime he copied. They have stuff like cages and probably whips because they enjoy it, not because it's not consensual.

Anyways, it's obvious to me that he doesn't have a leg to stand on unless he can come up with a time machine that actually works...so he's going to say yeah he killed the guy but they agreed to the fetish assisted suicide thing

Why are you obsessed with that German case?

[Corleone187]

Why are you obsessed with that German case?

cause they're identical maybe?

[hdave]

IMO they are similar, but not identical.

I don't think corleone is obsessed, he is at least digging deep and thinking about it.
It is a very interesting thing because its just sooo weird.

[BornRuff]

cause they're identical maybe?

The details of the German case are well know, and this murder appears to have almost no similarity.

If they are identical, why didn't the victim participate in it like he did in the German case?

Why didn't Magnota save his flesh for consumption over the following months?

The German case was about cannibalism, while this case is quite different.

Anyways, the simple fact is that claiming that he wanted to die is not the only possible thing he can do right now. You are making a huge jump to get there right now. It certainly is a possibility, but it is far from the only one. Just like it is possible that this German guy inspired him, but there are a million other possibilities too.

[Corleone187]

The details of the German case are well know, and this murder appears to have almost no similarity.

If they are identical, why didn't the victim participate in it like he did in the German case?

Why didn't Magnota save his flesh for consumption over the following months?

The German case was about cannibalism, while this case is quite different.

Anyways, the simple fact is that claiming that he wanted to die is not the only possible thing he can do right now. You are making a huge jump to get there right now. It certainly is a possibility, but it is far from the only one. Just like it is possible that this German guy inspired him, but there are a million other possibilities too.

ok we need to get past the fact that he is NOT going to say that it is not him because it is him that did the killing, without a question of a doubt. So no one defending him is stupid enough to try and use that in court and if they do they are finished

http://i.imgur.com/kf7Nc.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xSnL9.jpg

Why do you keep insisting that the victim didn't participate? Just because he was tied up? Just because he was tied up doesn't mean anything. This is some kinky S&M stuff or something, just like the German case. This magnotta guy said he was a prostitute or something so he obviously would be in a position for all these sex games. It's about 1 guy having control over another guy is what this fetish is about im pretty sure. And they both like it where 1 guy play the role of the dominator and the other guy plays the role of the dominated..and they both consent to this.

This is what he is going to say, that they were lovers and the other guy wanted to be killed just like they German case. It's exactly the same

And you keep saying the murder has no similarity but they both filmed it, they both got off on it, they both ate the other guy and they both killed the guy with a knife to the throat and the both consented to it (he will say) and they both dismembered the victim, and they both went on the internet to talk about it to other people after they did the killing....and it has NO SIMILARITY you say? :confused:

Anyways we are going to have to wait years but we know what the defense won't be (that is wasn't him) and what it most likely be (that it was assisted suicide) and that is what I said

[BornRuff]

ok we need to get past the fact that he is NOT going to say that it is not him because it is him that did the killing, without a question of a doubt. So no one defending him is stupid enough to try and use that in court and if they do they are finished

http://i.imgur.com/kf7Nc.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xSnL9.jpg

Why do you keep insisting that the victim didn't participate? Just because he was tied up? Just because he was tied up doesn't mean anything. This is some kinky S&M stuff or something, just like the German case. This magnotta guy said he was a prostitute or something so he obviously would be in a position for all these sex games. It's about 1 guy having control over another guy is what this fetish is about im pretty sure. And they both like it where 1 guy play the role of the dominator and the other guy plays the role of the dominated..and they both consent to this.

This is what he is going to say, that they were lovers and the other guy wanted to be killed just like they German case. It's exactly the same

And you keep saying the murder has no similarity but they both filmed it, they both got off on it, they both ate the other guy and they both killed the guy with a knife to the throat and the both consented to it (he will say) and they both dismembered the victim, and they both went on the internet to talk about it to other people after they did the killing....and it has NO SIMILARITY you say? :confused:

Anyways we are going to have to wait years but we know what the defense won't be (that is wasn't him) and what it most likely be (that it was assisted suicide) and that is what I said

I never said that he couldn't be a willing participant if he was tied up, but by the same token, just because he was tied up doesn't mean that he was into BDSM and wanted it.

From everything I have heard about the video, it doesn't seem to depict a victim who was cooperating or wanted what was happening to him.

The similarities you bring up are mostly superficial.

The German guy didn't torture his victim. That video apparently clearly shows the man asking the killer to bite off his penis. When that doesn't work, he cuts it off, and they try to eat it together. He was apparently drugged and allowed to bleed out while the killer calmly sat there reading a book. The guy then strung him up on meat hooks and butchered his body so that he could save the meat and eat it over the following months.

None of this really sounds anything like what Magnotta did. Filming a crime, using a knife, or killing for a sexual release are certainly not unique to the German case. The Magnotta case seems much more sadistic. They said he did some cannibal acts, but it clearly wasn't anything similar to the cannibalism involved in the German case(he mailed the body parts and discarded the torso, rather than keeping it for consumption). They claim there was necrophilia involved in this case, while that was not part of the German case. If you think about it, the actions were pretty much all focused on desecration, which is very different from the German case, where he actually appeared to be extremely respectful of his victim.

Just because the court of public opinion has already convicted him doesn't mean that he can't drag this through the courts by simply saying he did not do it. No matter what he says it seems a foregone conclusion that he will be convicted of first degree murder. But he can still make a prosecutor present all of the evidence against him and make a jury formally convict him.

He denied a psych eval, which is probably necessary to make any sort of credible claim that he thought that this is what the victim wanted to happen to him. Maybe he will try that defense. He is free to say whatever he wants. It simply isn't the only possibility.

[ji2o0k]

Anyways, it's obvious to me that he doesn't have a leg to stand on unless he can come up with a time machine that actually works...so he's going to say yeah he killed the guy but they agreed to the fetish assisted suicide thingI see what you did there.....

[cheapmeister]

Montreal police found what may be a human head Sunday afternoon at a public park.

The major crime squad was called to Angrignon Park, which was closed after a suspicious object was found in a pond.

Montreal police spokesperson Anie Lemieux said in a message that “we must wait for results of analysis that will be done over the next few days” or even a week. She added that it was too early to confirm if what was found was a human body part.

The major crime squad is the division investigating the death of Concordia University student Jun Lin. The Chinese national is believed to have been killed in late May.

Angrignon Park is located at the end of a subway line in the city’s south end, and is about a 15-minute drive from the apartment where police believe Jun Lin was slain.

His torso was found in a suitcase in a Montreal alley, while his hands and feet were mailed to Conservative Party and Liberal Party headquarters in Ottawa and to two Vancouver schools.

His head has yet to be found.

Luka Rocco Magnotta was arrested in Berlin and charged with first-degree murder in connection with the case.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1220185--luka-rocco-magnotta-head-found-in-montreal-park

This is just wow, like dumping his head in a public park, wow. Some peeps are evil.

[iEyeCaptain]

I hope this helps his family get some closure.

RIP

[Xiaohaibao]

That's sad, the guy came to Canada to get ahead in life and this happens...

[koalorka]

And this is an example of a crime too heinous for a country with a mild criminal justice system like Canada to prosecute.

Ideally, we should amend our justice system to allow for outsourcing such cases to countries which employ the firing squad. Invoice the immediate family with the expense and cost of the ammunition expended.

[Coz4k]

And this is an example of a crime too heinous for a country with a mild criminal justice system like Canada to prosecute.

Ideally, we should amend our justice system to allow for outsourcing such cases to countries which employ the firing squad. Invoice the immediate family with the expense and cost of the ammunition expended.

Maybe he's innocent.

All what you think you know is from news and newspapers.
No one of us were there.

[Sauerkraut]

That's sad, the guy came to Canada to get ahead in life and this happens...

really? Did you write this one yourself.

[koalorka]

Maybe he's innocent.

All what you think you know is from news and newspapers.
No one of us were there.

Well, yeah, we would wait for the criminal investigation to conclude before doing any of that. If he is found guilty, he will do no more than 15 years of solid jail-time, probably in one of Harper's new palatial facilities.

[snider]

Maybe he's innocent.

All what you think you know is from news and newspapers.
No one of us were there.

Are you ***** ? There is insurmountable evidence against this guy, videos all over the Internet. You probably think OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony are innocent as well.

[koalorka]

That's sad, the guy came to Canada to get ahead in life and this happens...

Babby's first attempt at macabre humour.

[nauru]

And this is an example of a crime too heinous for a country with a mild criminal justice system like Canada to prosecute.

Ideally, we should amend our justice system to allow for outsourcing such cases to countries which employ the firing squad. Invoice the immediate family with the expense and cost of the ammunition expended.

Why invoice the immediate family? Do you mean to imply that they are in some way partially culpable for the guy's crimes? I bet they are more horrified than just about anyone besides the close friends and family of the victim.

[koalorka]

Why invoice the immediate family? Do you mean to imply that they are in some way partially culpable for the guy's crimes? I bet they are more horrified than just about anyone besides the close friends and family of the victim.

People are mostly shaped by their upbringing. They are at least partially responsible for his pathological behaviour.

[Coz4k]

Are you ***** ? There is insurmountable evidence against this guy, videos all over the Internet. You probably think OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony are innocent as well.

Sorry i was not aware that you were there when it happened.

Won't discuss the evidences since we don't have them all in hand.

[aplayaz2000]

Are you ***** ? There is insurmountable evidence against this guy, videos all over the Internet. You probably think OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony are innocent as well.innocent until proven guilty

no guilty soul will die by the chair while am still alive

[Simaahoy]

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Suspected+human+remains+found+Angrignon+Park/6870411/story.html




MONTREAL - Investigators from the city’s major crimes unit discovered what appear to be human remains, possibly connected to the Lin Jun murder investigation, in Angrignon Park on Sunday.

“It’s too early to confirm if this finding has anything to do with the (Lin) homicide,” said Constable Anie Lemieux of the Montreal police. “We’re waiting on lab results to determine whether what we found are human remains.”

Information obtained over the course of the investigation of murder suspect Luka Rocca Magnotta led police to Angrignon Park, a 110-acre green space in Montreal’s Ville Emard/La Salle district. The park has several densely wooded areas and is just a few kilometres from Magnotta’s apartment in N.D.G.

Magnotta is accused of killing and dismembering 33-year-old Concordia student Lin. On May 29, Lin’s torso was found in a briefcase behind Magnotta’s apartment and his foot was discovered in a package mailed to the Conservative Party headquarters in Ottawa. The Liberal Party also received a package containing a hand. Another grisly discovery was made the following week, when Lin’s limbs were found in packages sent to two Vancouver area elementary schools.

Police have not yet located Lin’s head and several other remains. Lin’s family has been notified of the potential development in the investigation, police said.

© Copyright (c) The Montreal Gazette


Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Suspected+human+remains+found+Angrignon+Park/6870411/story.html#ixzz1zQjiN8xy

[snider]

innocent until proven guilty

no guilty soul will die by the chair while am still alive

First of all there is no chair in Canada so you won't have to worry. Secondly, the justice system is not perfect, hence the reference to OJ and Casey Anthony, albeit that was in the U.S.

I can judge for myself when I know someone is 100% guilty I don't need to wait for the justice system to be able to form my opinions. Give me a minute with Magnotta right now in a locked cell without any weapons and you'd see how this woud turn out.

[snider]

Sorry i was not aware that you were there when it happened.

Won't discuss the evidences since we don't have them all in hand.

No I wasn't there but there is a technology called video recording where real life can be filmed and rewatched. Many people have seen his various videos of him killing cats in the most torturous way. Many people have also seen the video of this killing which he clearly was in it (I have not will not) . Police have recovered items from his apartment and so much more. Do you really need a court system to be able to base your opinion on whether he's innocent or guilty? So if your friend was there and told you that he witnessed the killing you still wouldn't believe it because you weren't there to see it yourself or the court system has not yet officially ruled him guilty? boggles my mind.....

[mikka1989]

did they ever find that poor guys head?:o , they should put this magnotta guy in the same cell as paul bernardo and let them go at it!:idea:

[BornRuff]

First of all there is no chair in Canada so you won't have to worry. Secondly, the justice system is not perfect, hence the reference to OJ and Casey Anthony, albeit that was in the U.S.

I can judge for myself when I know someone is 100% guilty I don't need to wait for the justice system to be able to form my opinions. Give me a minute with Magnotta right now in a locked cell without any weapons and you'd see how this woud turn out.


No I wasn't there but there is a technology called video recording where real life can be filmed and rewatched. Many people have seen his various videos of him killing cats in the most torturous way. Many people have also seen the video of this killing which he clearly was in it (I have not will not) . Police have recovered items from his apartment and so much more. Do you really need a court system to be able to base your opinion on whether he's innocent or guilty? So if your friend was there and told you that he witnessed the killing you still wouldn't believe it because you weren't there to see it yourself or the court system has not yet officially ruled him guilty? boggles my mind.....

Our justice system is one of the most important institutions in our country. I for one am very happy that we do not allow people to be lynched based on what casual observers see in media reports.

[snider]

did they ever find that poor guys head?:o , they should put this magnotta guy in the same cell as paul bernardo and let them go at it!:idea:


I believe they just found the head yesterday in some park 15 minutes from his apartment. They're waiting for analysis on it but most likely it's him.

[BornRuff]

did they ever find that poor guys head?:o , they should put this magnotta guy in the same cell as paul bernardo and let them go at it!:idea:

Magnotta is not a teenage girl, so he'd probably be safe.

[snider]

Our justice system is one of the most important institutions in our country. I for one am very happy that we do not allow people to be lynched based on what casual observers see in media reports.

In this case it is not the media forcing this upon us, this sick individual is the one posting all of his henious acts online for everyone to see. When you witness him perpetrating these acts on video, you are no long a casual observer imo. I would be one of the first ones to line up to lynch him given the opportunity.

[BornRuff]

In this case it is not the media forcing this upon us, this sick individual is the one posting all of his henious acts online for everyone to see. When you witness him perpetrating these acts on video, you are no long a casual observer imo. I would be one of the first ones to line up to lynch him given the opportunity.

Even if watching a video online gave you the moral authority to lynch someone, didn't you already admit that you didn't watch the video that allegedly shows him killing Lin?

People in Canada have the right to a trail and are punished in non barbaric ways, and I like that. We don't need to lower ourselves to the level of these guys.

[snider]

Even if watching a video online gave you the moral authority to lynch someone, didn't you already admit that you didn't watch the video that allegedly shows him killing Lin?

People in Canada have the right to a trail and are punished in non barbaric ways, and I like that. We don't need to lower ourselves to the level of these guys.

I did not watch it but I partaked (partook?) in an online forum thread that discussed the video at length before it got big in the media. Some people thought at it was staged at first but soon after it became apparent to everyone what had transpired. After following the entire ordeal online and through the newspapers I am willing to bet my life that he is guilty of the murder. For me the trial is just a formality which gives this dude more attention that he desperately craves. Yes, the justice system is needed to officially put him away for life but I've already made up my mind based on everything that I've read and heard.

One thing I've also learned is that judges/jury make mistakes as well and I do not always respect or accept their judgements. OJ Simpson, Casey Anthony, Timothy Bradley beating Manny Pacquiao.....Whatever the verdict in this case I have already made up my mind on it 100%.

[BornRuff]

I did not watch it but I partaked (partook?) in an online forum thread that discussed the video at length before it got big in the media. Some people thought at it was staged at first but soon after it became apparent to everyone what had transpired. After following the entire ordeal online and through the newspapers I am willing to bet my life that he is guilty of the murder. For me the trial is just a formality which gives this dude more attention that he desperately craves. Yes, the justice system is needed to officially put him away for life but I've already made up my mind based on everything that I've read and heard.

One thing I've also learned is that judges/jury make mistakes as well and I do not always respect or accept their judgements. OJ Simpson, Casey Anthony, Timothy Bradley beating Manny Pacquiao.....Whatever the verdict in this case I have already made up my mind on it 100%.

You are right, I am pretty sure that section 11 of our charter states that people are innocent until proven guilty in an online forum thread.

The fact that the only cases you can name are over hyped media circuses, and one boxing match(you know boxing judges are not actual judges in the same sense, right?), shows how deep your knowledge of this stuff really is.

I agree that there is no way in hell that he will be acquitted of these crimes, but I disagree with your assertion that his basic constitutional rights to life and presumption of innocence until proven guilty according to law should be stripped.

[Simaahoy]

This comment on CBC is pretty much my view on this:


Seems like that would be unfair to Li. Afterall, he apparently suffered a psychotic episode and was probably unable to stop himself from doing what he did or from realizing at the time that what he was doing was wrong. Magnotta, on the other hand, seems to have planned to do what he did and, knowing it's wrong, takes pride in trying to gain notoriety from it. Major difference. Li needs help. Magnotta needs punishment.

[snider]

You are right, I am pretty sure that section 11 of our charter states that people are innocent until proven guilty in an online forum thread.

The fact that the only cases you can name are over hyped media circuses, and one boxing match(you know boxing judges are not actual judges in the same sense, right?), shows how deep your knowledge of this stuff really is.

I agree that there is no way in hell that he will be acquitted of these crimes, but I disagree with your assertion that his basic constitutional rights to life and presumption of innocence until proven guilty according to law should be stripped.

I'm not advocating that he should be stripped of all rights right now, be killed or anything. My point is simple in that I know in my mind that he is 100% guilty and if I saw him in the streets or if I came across Jerry Sandusky (before he was convicted) on the streets I would not feel guilty in giving both of them a good old fashioned beat-down. I might get charged with assault but I wouldn't feel bad about it because I know with 99.9999% certainty that they are guilty of their actions. Both of these folks have a right to a fair trial but it doesn't stop me from forming my own judgements before the court has made theirs. I also know that there is a slight chance that the court system will fail such as it did with Karla Homolka so any pre-emptive ***** whoopings would be fine with me.

[jp06]

Why are we still talking about this loser Magnotta? If he had internet access, he'd be happy to see that RFD has an active 43 pages dedicated to this attention-seeker scumbag.

[45ED]

Though I'd rather limit the amount of attention anything Magnotta-related gets, it deserves noting that they found the head.


Head found in Montreal park belongs to Jun Lin: reports

According to published reports, police said a head found in a Montreal park on Sunday is that of Jun Lin.
Luka Magnotta has been charged in the Concordia University student's murder and dismemberment.
Watch CityNews and go to CityNews.ca for more. You can follow us on Twitter @CityNews.

[sprung]

they haven't posted the whole program (http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2012-2013/2012/11/hunting-magnotta.html) yet but CBC Fifth Estate just did a good show on 'Hunting Magnotta' that aired last night. It talks about how Internet investigators tracked him for years.

[Shaner]

they haven't posted the whole program (http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2012-2013/2012/11/hunting-magnotta.html) yet but CBC Fifth Estate just did a good show on 'Hunting Magnotta' that aired last night. It talks about how Internet investigators tracked him for years.

It also shows that it needs to be taken far more seriously when people intentionally harm animals. There needs to be harsher sentences for that, not just jail time, but time in a mental health facility. The cops also need to be given more resources to track down people who harm animals and to investigate the cases. It needs to be taken more seriously

[ishfish]

It also shows that it needs to be taken far more seriously when people intentionally harm animals. There needs to be harsher sentences for that, not just jail time, but time in a mental health facility. The cops also need to be given more resources to track down people who harm animals and to investigate the cases. It needs to be taken more seriously
I completely agree - pleasure in harming animals in childhood/youth is a major predictor of future dangerous behavior.

[LostInTruth]

Looks like Mr. Magnotta got the "fame" he was looking for. I am curious to check out the biography.

[setell]

I saw it last night and was shocked.....his sexual assault charges was dropped against the mentally challenged lady :( Imagine if it wasn't dropped, he'll be monitored and crap may not have happened the way it did. I can't wait for the show to finish since it was a very good one. Oh Mark Kelley I miss you :D

[sonic]

i started to watch the program...but found it so disturbing i had to change the channel. he is one sick fu$%er. please tell me he is locked up for a life.

[stealth]

Did they discuss his relationship with Homolka?
I'm still not clear on it.
If they were spending time together, that alone should have made him a person of interest.
Goes to show how little police do to prevent crimes, just fill out the paperwork afterwards.

[hdave]

im watching it online now

[hdave]

Did they discuss his relationship with Homolka?
I'm still not clear on it.
If they were spending time together, that alone should have made him a person of interest.
Goes to show how little police do to prevent crimes, just fill out the paperwork afterwards.

turns out he had nothing to do with her.
he faked it, then went to the media to deny it

[stealth]

turns out he had nothing to do with her.
he faked it, then went to the media to deny it

huh....brilliant...if someone was hell bent on getting free easy publicity, of any kind.

reminds me of the gay porn guy that claimed he was the secret lover of GWB.