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DearSummer
May 31st, 2012, 10:22 AM
Money-losing Tim Hortons in St. John’s hospital a ‘cautionary tale’: critics
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/30/money-losing-tim-hortons-in-st-johns-hospital-a-cautionary-tale-critics/


When the Tim Hortons at Newfoundland’s Health Sciences Centre opened in 1995, the hospital’s administrator predicted the shop would turn an annual profit of up to $300,000 and pay for seven nurses — or 11 support staff, or maybe even pay for the increase in chemotherapy drugs for cancer patients.

Instead, the coffee shop at the St. John’s hospital lost about $260,000 last year, offering what critics say is a cautionary tale of what can happen when the public sector gets involved in things better done by private enterprise.


“Let me tell you why [the hospital franchise loses money],” Vickie Kaminski, the authority’s president and CEO, told reporters on Tuesday. “We charge you a buck-ninety-four for that large coffee, but we insist that the staff who are pouring the coffee are Eastern Health staff, and they get paid $28 an hour. No Tim Hortons pays that.”


“Somehow it became public employees running a doughnut shop,” said Lloyd Matthews, who was Newfoundland’s health minister when the location opened at the Health Sciences Centre in 1995. “It brings us all home to the issue of waste in health care …. [It] makes us all a little interested in where else money is being wasted.”


“These kinds of reviews highlight the fact that services can be delivered [by the private sector] more cheaply, and just as efficiently and safely, as if they were being delivered by the public system,” Mr. Matthews said. “I think there’s a strong case to be made for the private sector continuing to be involved in the delivery of public services.”

I think this comment on the NP website sums it up perfectly:

We should nationalize all 3,000 Tim Horton's stores in the country, pay the CUPE members a fair wage, like $28 an hour, and show the greedy corporate bastards we mean business.
We could be proud owners of an iconic Canadian business that racks up multi-million dollar losses every year.But it would be proudly union, and what the hell, the filthy tarsands in Alberta could subsidize it; anyway.

P.S. I don't know if this qualifies as political or not. I'm not commenting on specific parties, just noting something that is in the news. We'll see how mods respond to better clarify what is and isn't allowed.

Shaner
May 31st, 2012, 10:31 AM
I have a feeling this will be locked. Also have no idea if this is politics or not, at least not politics the way it's defined on this site. If the Mississauga thread is considered politics (even though it's so loosely based on politics it's not even really politics at all), then I'm completely lost on what is and isn't politics.

BornRuff
May 31st, 2012, 10:52 AM
I have to imagine that Dearsummer union threads were part of the reasons they wanted to cleanse OT. If this isn't locked I'll be shocked.

boyoflondon
May 31st, 2012, 10:54 AM
Hmmmm amazing theory. Let's pay all fast food joint employees these crazy wages.

flashy_mcflash
May 31st, 2012, 10:57 AM
I have to imagine that Dearsummer union threads were part of the reasons they wanted to cleanse OT. If this isn't locked I'll be shocked.

It'll probably be met with the same collective cry of 'who cares' his threads usually elicit. It's pretty clear that he's trying to lead to a political discussion of his free market fairy tale.

a-tree
May 31st, 2012, 11:09 AM
It'll probably be met with the same collective cry of 'who cares' his threads usually elicit. It's pretty clear that he's trying to lead to a political discussion of his free market fairy tale.

What do you mean who cares? You're one of the most active posters in his threads.

flashy_mcflash
May 31st, 2012, 11:15 AM
What do you mean who cares? You're one of the most active posters in his threads.

Hardly, but what's one more wrong thing in the bottomless ocean of incorrect information that defines your posting history, amirite?

spike1128
May 31st, 2012, 11:21 AM
Hardly, but what's one more wrong thing in the bottomless ocean of incorrect information that defines your posting history, amirite?

Dearsummer only really post on OT and no other threads. There is a reason for this, I will not mention anything that seem to look like a personal attack. He really need a life outside of OT(political/anti union/anti taxes)/his business.

I think after reading Dearsummer/A-tree comments, I am starting not to mind Mark77 and Yao416's threads. :D. Did you guys ever read a thread by Mark77 about relationship / being fb banned / wanting to meet up. It was so hilarious. :)

r1lee
May 31st, 2012, 11:26 AM
We should nationalize all 3,000 Tim Horton's stores in the country, pay the CUPE members a fair wage, like $28 an hour, and show the greedy corporate bastards we mean business.
We could be proud owners of an iconic Canadian business that racks up multi-million dollar losses every year.But it would be proudly union, and what the hell, the filthy tarsands in Alberta could subsidize it; anyway.


wow, public employee's running a Timmy's lol.

So what is causing the debt, wages, traffic? If you were to remove the difference between a regular TH's employee and one at the hospital, is the difference the cause of it?

from -$260k, is that really all salary and benefits?

a-tree
May 31st, 2012, 11:26 AM
Hardly, but what's one more wrong thing in the bottomless ocean of incorrect information that defines your posting history, amirite?

Incorrect information...like the 'proof' you provided of a looming recession?

Ottomaddox
May 31st, 2012, 11:27 AM
I don't understand how this project ever got started; this must have been a business plan somewhere with preliminary projections of the costs? That's the smoking gun I'd like to see.

flashy_mcflash
May 31st, 2012, 11:36 AM
Incorrect information...like the 'proof' you provided of a looming recession?

Or like the time you said you were 'done wasting your time on me'. Just can't stay away, you old softie you. Unfortunately, I'm straight.

oranr
May 31st, 2012, 11:39 AM
:!: Closed - Political/Bickering