Anyone know have knowledge of about the Canadian Armed Forces?

[fogo]

So here it goes.

A buddy of mine lives in a community not too far off from a Canadian armed forces base.

In his neighbourhood live a few families where 1 or 2 members of the family are part of the armed forces and work at the base. Enlisted members.

He's lived in that neighbourhood for over 12 years and never has had issues with any neighbour who works for the military.

Until now! His neighbour next door bought the house and has decided to turn the basement into a sound studio, having friends over to jam. The music is so loud that it goes through the ground and foundation into his basement. He lives in a detached bungalow.

He's talked to the neighbours on few occasions and finally decided to call the local police. The police weren't much help at all.

His question is, what can he do? Is there some kind of department within the base or military structure that can be contacted in order to deal with this situation? He really doesn't want to do this but he's grasping for solutions.

Cheers

[BTweee]

you can always contact the base directly to see if they can handle your situation either thru the person's chain of command. i havent encountered this before but its worth a try.

[sprung]

So here it goes.

A buddy of mine lives in a community not too far off from a Canadian armed forces base.

In his neighbourhood live a few families where 1 or 2 members of the family are part of the armed forces and work at the base. Enlisted members.

He's lived in that neighbourhood for over 12 years and never has had issues with any neighbour who works for the military.

Until now! His neighbour next door bought the house and has decided to turn the basement into a sound studio, having friends over to jam. The music is so loud that it goes through the ground and foundation into his basement. He lives in a detached bungalow.

He's talked to the neighbours on few occasions and finally decided to call the local police. The police weren't much help at all.

His question is, what can he do? Is there some kind of department within the base or military structure that can be contacted in order to deal with this situation? He really doesn't want to do this but he's grasping for solutions.

Cheers

http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/contact-eng.asp

or try the Ombudsman (http://www.ombudsman.forces.gc.ca/cu-cn/index-eng.asp)

in Toronto no loud music after 11PM (http://www.toronto.ca/311/knowledgebase/81/101001070681.html) . Imagine it same across the country.

[DearSummer]

Why would you call an employer over this? They have nothing to do with the situation.

Look up your local by-laws regarding noise and go from there.

[nauru]

He should find out what unit his neighbour is in, and what rank/title. Once he knows that, he can call the base to find out the name of his commanding officer (probably a captain) and make a complaint directly in the chain of command. If there is no immediate action , then he should do the same thing, but address his complaint to the commanding officer and the next level higher of commanding officer (probably a major). If still no action then complain to those two again, plus a level higher (probably a Lt. Colonel). If still no satisfaction, rinse and repeat plus next level in the chain (probably a Colonel). If problem persists send complaint to all who he's sent it before, plus the next level -- which is probably the base commander, who is likely a 1-star general.

If still not satisfied request an audience with the base commander, and name all the officers who failed to adequately address the complaint. I doubt it will get to this point though.

[Cough]

He should find out what unit his neighbour is in, and what rank/title. Once he knows that, he can call the base to find out the name of his commanding officer (probably a captain) and make a complaint directly in the chain of command. If there is no immediate action , then he should do the same thing, but address his complaint to the commanding officer and the next level higher of commanding officer (probably a major). If still no action then complain to those two again, plus a level higher (probably a Lt. Colonel). If still no satisfaction, rinse and repeat plus next level in the chain (probably a Colonel). If problem persists send complaint to all who he's sent it before, plus the next level -- which is probably the base commander, who is likely a 1-star general.

If still not satisfied request an audience with the base commander, and name all the officers who failed to adequately address the complaint. I doubt it will get to this point though.

Wow!

If he worked as a bank teller would you go to the bank manager, and then the district manager.... and then on up to the CEO of the bank??

If it was Shaner would you approach the warden in Kingston pen?

As asked above - why go to his employer (except for the fact that as a Forces employee his CO might influence him disproportionately and unfairly to what would happen in the rest of society)

But i would look out for vengeance from his comrades in arms.....

[nauru]

The military isn't like other employers... that's why the approach is different from if he worked at a bank. The military has a separate police force, separate legal system, separate court system, separate code of laws, separate medical system, separate dental system, separate barber shops, separate housing divisions, separate fitness centres, separate recreational leagues, separate sporting events, separate culture, even a separate dialect of English IMO -- subtly different but noticeable dialect... nearly everything is separate from normal society and it's pretty self contained. If the person is non-responsive to a standard "neighbour asking for less noise" request, and you need action, then to communicate effectively with a person from the military world you need to speak their language: chain of command.

[zz000ter]

Yeah - piss off a man that is trained to kill people

You have no idea how miserable your life will get if you go through the base commander.

By the way - depending on the size of the base, the base commander will be a colonel or a brigadier general (one leaf)

First step - get your video camera and record one of the jam sessions from your backyard
Second step - show the video to your neighbor as he probably does not know how loud it is outside
Third step - ask him to turn down the volume a bit

It is always best to be a good person and take positive steps first.

[ishfish]

In my area MPs are quite strict with noise violations. They are the ones to work with.

[hmm]

Yeah - piss off a man that is trained to kill people

You have no idea how miserable your life will get if you go through the base commander.

By the way - depending on the size of the base, the base commander will be a colonel or a brigadier general (one leaf)

First step - get your video camera and record one of the jam sessions from your backyard
Second step - show the video to your neighbor as he probably does not know how loud it is outside
Third step - ask him to turn down the volume a bit

It is always best to be a good person and take positive steps first.
Are you implying that he will kill the neighbor because he complains?

I would call the municipality and look at the by laws. If he is breaking the bi laws th enforcement department will pay him a visit.

[Kunman]

He should find out what unit his neighbour is in, and what rank/title. Once he knows that, he can call the base to find out the name of his commanding officer (probably a captain) and make a complaint directly in the chain of command. If there is no immediate action , then he should do the same thing, but address his complaint to the commanding officer and the next level higher of commanding officer (probably a major). If still no action then complain to those two again, plus a level higher (probably a Lt. Colonel). If still no satisfaction, rinse and repeat plus next level in the chain (probably a Colonel). If problem persists send complaint to all who he's sent it before, plus the next level -- which is probably the base commander, who is likely a 1-star general.

If still not satisfied request an audience with the base commander, and name all the officers who failed to adequately address the complaint. I doubt it will get to this point though.

just skip everything and call harper

[xansmommy]

If they were in Base Housing going via the CoC is a valid methodology, on civvie street though, not so much. If they are disturbing the peace report it to local law enforcement or bylaw office.

[starboy869]

I'm military.

Yes you can contact his local chain of command about the issue. He will be ordered to keep the peace. If he doesn't he could be fined up to 25% of his gross monthly pay, working evenings and weekends on defaulters parade among other extra duties which is usually crap jobs ie. Sweeping the parking lot with a broom and stuff like that.

Also look up change parades. Remember the defaulter is being babysat by a MCpl who's pissed cause he just lost his/her evening and weekend tasking the defaulter. I think one task would be helmet, tac-vest, gloves, and picking the grass out the sidewalk cracks.

[brunes]

Why would you call an employer over this? They have nothing to do with the situation.

Look up your local by-laws regarding noise and go from there.

+1. What a weird post this is. Neither him nor this guy live on the base, so I can't see why either the CF or the MPs will have anything to do with this.



I'm military.

Yes you can contact his local chain of command about the issue. He will be ordered to keep the peace. If he doesn't he could be fined up to 25% of his gross monthly pay, working evenings and weekends on defaulters parade among other extra duties which is usually crap jobs ie. Sweeping the parking lot with a broom and stuff like that.

Even though he does not live on the base? This seems strange - you are saying I can call up my local military base and start making wild accusations against people and get them in trouble?

At any rate - Has he tried just going over and TALKING to him, adult to adult, asking him if it is possible to lower the volume?

Is your buddy sure he wants to make an enemy of this guy? My neighbor is a cop, and I am pretty sure I would let him get away with a lot of things before i started a ruckus, because I would rather him be ON my side. If I lived near a base and he was military, it would be the same situation.

[ishfish]

I think the OP said the offender and the police were both spoken to without result.
MPs can work off base and often work with local police where military persons are involved.

[webdoctors]

military is weird, U can get in trouble for doing stuff off base. I remember our CO's saying certain bars we weren't allowed to go to, so I definitely know you can get in trouble for doing stuff off-base.

However, I agree with other posters, this has nothing to do with your neighbour being military. If the police can't solve your problems, talk to your neighbor directly, or city hall.

[fogo]

+1. What a weird post this is. Neither him nor this guy live on the base, so I can't see why either the CF or the MPs will have anything to do with this.


Even though he does not live on the base? This seems strange - you are saying I can call up my local military base and start making wild accusations against people and get them in trouble?

At any rate - Has he tried just going over and TALKING to him, adult to adult, asking him if it is possible to lower the volume?

Is your buddy sure he wants to make an enemy of this guy? My neighbor is a cop, and I am pretty sure I would let him get away with a lot of things before i started a ruckus, because I would rather him be ON my side. If I lived near a base and he was military, it would be the same situation.


I agree. He has spoken to him but no dice.

I told my buddy that going to someone's place of work to complain is something that I would not feel comfortable with at all.

[ZxExN]

Military Chain of Command takes matter such as this (public relations) very seriously so please exhaust all other avenues before making a request to his Commanding Officer. However, should it be the last resort, his CO will take care of it but trust me, you'll get a pissed off neighbour for a long time which may prove to be worse.

I really urge you to talk to him again, either in person or through a carefully written letter stating the seriousness of the complaint. All fails, PM me and I can point you in the right direction as to who to speak to.

[starboy869]

However if the pissed off military member makes matter worst. Just contact his CoC again and it +will+ be dealt with.