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Kiteak
Jun 2nd, 2012, 06:59 PM
https://www.llnl.gov/news/newsreleases/2012/May/NR-12-05-07.html

The International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) today officially approved new names for elements 114 and 116, the latest heavy elements to be added to the periodic table.

Scientists of the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (LLNL)-Dubna collaboration proposed the names as Flerovium for element 114, with the symbol Fl, and Livermorium for element 116, with the symbol Lv, late last year.

Flerovium (atomic symbol Fl) was chosen to honor Flerov Laboratory of Nuclear Reactions, where superheavy elements, including element 114, were synthesized. Georgiy N. Flerov (1913-1990) was a renowned physicist who discovered the spontaneous fission of uranium and was a pioneer in heavy-ion physics. He is the founder of the Joint Institute for Nuclear Research. In 1991, the laboratory was named after Flerov -- Flerov Laboratory of Nuclear Reactions (FLNR).

Livermorium (atomic symbol Lv) was chosen to honor Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (LLNL) and the city of Livermore, Calif. A group of researchers from the Laboratory, along with scientists at the Flerov Laboratory of Nuclear Reactions, participated in the work carried out in Dubna on the synthesis of superheavy elements, including element 116. (Lawrencium -- Element 103 -- was already named for LLNL's founder E.O. Lawrence.)

The IUPAC states Livermorium was chosen because over the years scientists at Livermore have been involved in many areas of nuclear science: the investigation of fission properties of the heaviest elements, including the discovery of bimodal fission, and the study of prompt gamma-rays emitted from fission fragments following fission; the investigation of isomers and isomeric levels in many nuclei; and the investigation of the chemical properties of the heaviest elements.

"These names honor not only the individual contributions of scientists from these laboratories to the fields of nuclear science, heavy element research, and superheavy element research, but also the phenomenal cooperation and collaboration that has occurred between scientists in these two countries," said Bill Goldstein, associate director of LLNL's Physical and Life Sciences Directorate.

Scientists at LLNL have been involved in heavy element research since the Laboratory's inception in 1952 and have been collaborators in the discovery of six elements -- 113,114,115,116,117 and 118.

Livermore also has been at the forefront of investigations into other areas related to nuclear science such as cross-section measurements, nuclear theory, radiochemical diagnostics, separations chemistry including rapid automated aqueous separations, actinide chemistry, heavy-element target fabrication and nuclear forensics.

The creation of elements 116 and 114 involved smashing calcium ions (with 20 protons each) into a curium target (96 protons) to create element 116. Element 116 decayed almost immediately into element 114. The scientists also created element 114 separately by replacing curium with a plutonium target (94 protons).

The creation of elements 114 and 116 generate hope that the team is on its way to the "island of stability," an area of the periodic table in which new heavy elements would be stable or last long enough for applications to be found.

The official names will be published in the July issue of the IUPAC journal, Pure and Applied Chemistry.

What do you guys think of the new names? Hopefully Flerovium will be easier to remember than ununquadium...

time space
Jun 2nd, 2012, 09:23 PM
Thanx for posting!

Who needs religion when our universe is already so darn amazing?

Tornado F2
Jun 3rd, 2012, 01:45 AM
Ah yes, let's honour the people who created the US and Soviet nuclear weapons. :facepalm:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/98/Flerov_small.jpg

Ironically enough it sounds like it's the element named for the Soviet scientist that sticks around, while the US one rapidly decays. Proof of who really won the Cold War perhaps? ;)

time space
Jun 3rd, 2012, 07:19 AM
:facepalm:

If we eliminated all scientific discoveries made during weapon development over the course of human history we'd still be living in caves. Like it or not, we are a warrior species that won't be satisfied until we win the war against humanity. Further, we have had very few scientist-politicians or scientist-generals - we usually keep the scientists well behind the frontlines to create our havoc in peace.

setell
Jun 3rd, 2012, 09:49 AM
Thanks for posting OP. Quite interesting and incredible what these chemist can do! Holy.....super smart nuclear chemists! I'm a dumbass vs them :cry::cry:

As to the other comments, personally, I don't care what flag you bear as long as you make great discoveries as that's the most important thing.

EDIT: I am glad I can pronounce these two elments vs eh some of the others so I don't disrespect the discoverers.

M1K3Z0R
Jun 4th, 2012, 03:14 AM
I can't wait till IUPAC names an element Unobtainium, for the lulz!

Tornado F2
Jun 4th, 2012, 09:36 PM
If we eliminated all scientific discoveries made during weapon development over the course of human history we'd still be living in caves. Like it or not, we are a warrior species that won't be satisfied until we win the war against humanity. Further, we have had very few scientist-politicians or scientist-generals - we usually keep the scientists well behind the frontlines to create our havoc in peace.


Thanks for posting OP. Quite interesting and incredible what these chemist can do! Holy.....super smart nuclear chemists! I'm a dumbass vs them :cry::cry:

As to the other comments, personally, I don't care what flag you bear as long as you make great discoveries as that's the most important thing.

EDIT: I am glad I can pronounce these two elments vs eh some of the others so I don't disrespect the discoverers.

They could well be the dumbasses one of these days. With the right equipment they can fire anything at anything, but what happens when they create something unexpected and uncontrollable as a result of one of their experiments? Apparently even among the Los Alamos nuclear scientists on the day they set off the first atomic bomb, some believed they might set the entire atmosphere on fire - yet they triggered the explosion anyway.

As for scientists of any nationality, including weapons scientists, I'm not saying that they are right or wrong to do what they do, just that they should be cautious about it and fully think out the consequences.

What's the value of these new elements anyway? Are we better off as a result of their creation?

Wrt scientist-leaders, I'd like to see more of them, and engineer-leaders too. Analytical thinking can be far more effective than fancy talk when it comes to achieving useful results. Some of the great leaders of the past couple of centuries came from scientific/engineering backgrounds, making some real, lasting changes, but there haven't been nearly enough of them. Among the most obvious would be Napoleon and Jefferson.

Powder + park raider
Jun 4th, 2012, 10:26 PM
they should invent an element that stops whining. tornado f2 needs a lot of it. lol

Tornado F2
Jun 4th, 2012, 10:35 PM
they should invent an element that stops whining. tornado f2 needs a lot of it. lol

Who's whining?

Anyway, don't forget to take your daily dose of trollium.

Powder + park raider
Jun 4th, 2012, 10:39 PM
Who's whining?

Anyway, don't forget to take your daily dose of trollium.

lol it's a joke, lighten up.

Tornado F2
Jun 4th, 2012, 10:47 PM
lol it's a joke, lighten up.

Right back at you.

setell
Jun 4th, 2012, 11:53 PM
They could well be the dumbasses one of these days. With the right equipment they can fire anything at anything, but what happens when they create something unexpected and uncontrollable as a result of one of their experiments? Apparently even among the Los Alamos nuclear scientists on the day they set off the first atomic bomb, some believed they might set the entire atmosphere on fire - yet they triggered the explosion anyway.

As for scientists of any nationality, including weapons scientists, I'm not saying that they are right or wrong to do what they do, just that they should be cautious about it and fully think out the consequences.

What's the value of these new elements anyway? Are we better off as a result of their creation?

Wrt scientist-leaders, I'd like to see more of them, and engineer-leaders too. Analytical thinking can be far more effective than fancy talk when it comes to achieving useful results. Some of the great leaders of the past couple of centuries came from scientific/engineering backgrounds, making some real, lasting changes, but there haven't been nearly enough of them. Among the most obvious would be Napoleon and Jefferson.

So you think a dumbass can do a fission reaction and generate these elements that have a half life long enough to be considered an element? I haven't look into where these labs are located but I have no doubt it's probably one of the top labs. Top labs do not hire dumbass nuclear chemists from what I know. Dumbasses don't make it to that high up in the food chain for nuclear chemistry as it's not the easiest field to specialize in.

Consequences of what? Their discoveries can be used for anything. If scientiests held back there will be a lot less discoveries being made. Take, mustard gas as an example. It is deadly and isn't even a nuclear bomb. Take a whiff of that and life ain't going to be pretty for you.

Yes, some of the greatest historical discoveries are accidents. The biggest breakthrough that everybody to this day still use, penicillin. It was an accident because Fleming had the right environment for it to grow. If Fleming wasn't a smart man and threw out his petri dish the world we know will be a lot different. It's the same thing for all fields of science. Sure you can have accidents, some great and some bad, but you need a smart scientist to realize what happened and re-generate the same results.

I'm tired and cranky so I'll say something out of character: **** *** for disrespecting these chemists. Alluding that they are dumbasses is the biggest insult you can give a scientist! :mad::mad:

Tornado F2
Jun 5th, 2012, 12:04 AM
I'd advise you to edit that last post or I'm going to have to report it. It doesn't meet RFD rules.

As for my "dumbass" (your term) comment, I wasn't saying they were stupid. Obviously not. But even highly specialised scientists are fallible at times. And if their mistake ends up destroying the planet, that's not very smart is it?

BTW, what positive advance came from developing mustard gas? It wasn't even effective as a weapon, cruel as its effects were. It just forced troops (and civilians) to carry gas masks, just in case.

time space
Jun 5th, 2012, 06:06 AM
Don't worry Tornado F2 - fortunately, science is becoming illegal (http://io9.com/5914378/north-carolina-considers-outlawing-accurate-predictions-of-sea-level-rise) nowadays, so you won't have to worry about the catastrophic negative impact scientists are having on our world for much longer.


Faced with predictions that sea levels in the coastal areas of North Carolina will rise by a meter in the next century, legislators are considering bold action: making those predictions illegal. A bill being circulated in the Tarheel state would force scientists to estimate future sea levels on a linear path based on trends since 1900 — in other words, based on the simple assumption that trends always move in a straight line, no matter what.

Powder + park raider
Jun 5th, 2012, 12:57 PM
I'd advise you to edit that last post or I'm going to have to report it. It doesn't meet RFD rules.

care to clarify? looks like he hasn't edited it. have you reported him yet?

Powder + park raider
Jun 5th, 2012, 12:59 PM
Don't worry Tornado F2 - fortunately, science is becoming illegal (http://io9.com/5914378/north-carolina-considers-outlawing-accurate-predictions-of-sea-level-rise) nowadays, so you won't have to worry about the catastrophic negative impact scientists are having on our world for much longer.

wow why does it always seem like USA has some of the most idiotic people acting as legislators? no wonder usa is on path to self destruction.

Tornado F2
Jun 5th, 2012, 01:15 PM
care to clarify? looks like he hasn't edited it. have you reported him yet?

Language - This is supposed to be a PG site.

Tornado F2
Jun 5th, 2012, 01:21 PM
Don't worry Tornado F2 - fortunately, science is becoming illegal (http://io9.com/5914378/north-carolina-considers-outlawing-accurate-predictions-of-sea-level-rise) nowadays, so you won't have to worry about the catastrophic negative impact scientists are having on our world for much longer.

They sure are dumb legislators. They should realise by now that for the right amount of money they can turn out their own "scientists" putting forth their own alternate theory. Most of them are lawyers aren't they, and lawyers seem to do that with "experts" on a regular basis. And politicians - well, don't they do that ALL the time? :lol: