Gender Selection Ultrasounds

[zz000ter]

I am watching CBC news
They are talking about ultrasounds and gender based abortions

Interesting statistic for Southeast Asian community

For every 100 boys under 15 years of age, there are only 86 girls

My question - what do the 14 males that do not have a corresponding female in society?
Will there be a lot of single men in the future?

Do families not care that the "loser males" will not be able to find wives in their traditional social circles?

"Loser males" = the ones with lowest socio-economic status or failures / undesirables

[samm]

I work in medical imaging: some hospitals in the GTA where there is a high population of those cultures will not allow the sonographers to tell you the gender. Also comes with medical-ethical-legal issues.

[Ottomaddox]

There's plenty of single women, it's just they are only 2 dimensional.

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[Pratzy]

It's due to some South Asians having a false perception that boys are better than girls for their families.

From decades, the traditional south Asian family structure involved the male child living at home, marrying a woman who would then move into the household, and taking care of his aging parents. The female child however goes to her future husband's household.

There's also something to be said about the whole 'dowry' thing; it's outlawed but still practiced indirectly and discreetly (like the guy getting something like a new car, or house) .

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[RolandCouch]

Higher rate of gay men? Just suggesting that it could be a possible outcome - I don't know this to be true.

[Nook]

It's due to some South Asians having a false perception that boys are better than girls for their families.

From decades, the traditional south Asian family structure involved the male child living at home, marrying a woman who would then move into the household, and taking care of his aging parents. The female child however goes to her future husband's household.

There's also something to be said about the whole 'dowry' thing; it's outlawed but still practiced indirectly and discreetly (like the guy getting something like a new car, or house) .

IN B4 FORUM maintenance

Dowry, despite what many feminists would suggest, exists both ways. In Arab cultures, the male is expected to pay the bride's family in order to get married.

[sylpherware]

My question - what do the 14 males that do not have a corresponding female in society?
Will there be a lot of single men in the future?

Sometimes, you just have to settle for sloppy 2nds :confused:

[Pratzy]

Higher rate of gay men? Just suggesting that it could be a possible outcome - I don't know this to be true.

Doubt it. It's not a country-wide skewed sex ratio, as in a place like China, but only for a specific minority.

[Pratzy]

Dowry, despite what many feminists would suggest, exists both ways. In Arab cultures, the male is expected to pay the bride's family in order to get married.

I was talking about what a dowry is in the South Asian community, as it's more relevant to the topic the OP posted.

[Pratzy]

Do families not care that the "loser males" will not be able to find wives in their traditional social circles?

"Loser males" = the ones with lowest socio-economic status or failures / undesirables

What makes you think that all males of that specific ethnicity will even want to marry in their own traditional social circles ?
I doubt every single one of them will. I'm willing to bet that this inclination to choose the male gender is more predominant in the couples who have found partners 'in their traditional social circles'.

Another issue is that many immigrants carry these ideals with them when they come here; one factor that's definitely skewing the gender ratio for the whole community.
With that said, not all South Asians are like this, it greatly varies from family to family.
Eventually, backward and idiotic ideals such as these that are present in some sections of the S.Asian community will recede; and hopefully the gender gap will close.

[sylpherware]

There's also something to be said about the whole 'dowry' thing; it's outlawed but still practiced indirectly and discreetly (like the guy getting something like a new car, or house) .

Where is it outlawed and why?? The dowry is supposed to be "material" that is provided by the bride's family to let the newlywed start a new home. Did it somehow become demeaning??

[iEyeCaptain]

What is the female equivalent of having a mistress?

[brian.gerson]

In B4 the feminists show up and say that women are legally and morally entitled to abort any fetus, at any gestational time, for any reason.

[Pratzy]

The dowry is supposed to be "material" that is provided by the bride's family to let the newlywed start a new home. Did it somehow become demeaning??

Yes,obviously it is. It goes against the idea of gender equality; as well as being one of the root causes of female foeticide in many South Asian countries.

[stealth]

Where is it outlawed and why?? The dowry is supposed to be "material" that is provided by the bride's family to let the newlywed start a new home. Did it somehow become demeaning??

No, of course its not demeaning....what would be demeaning about a bribe to take someones daughter because theyre presumed to be too valueless to contribute anything worthwhile to the marriage in their own right?;)

[zz000ter]

What makes you think that all males of that specific ethnicity will even want to marry in their own traditional social circles ?

In the same manner - who says that the women want to marry in their own ethnicity?

Ironic how the parents follow traditions and abort female babies
and this leads to the dilution of the ethnic purity as women marry outside the ethnic group
and the males do not have enough females within their ethnic group to reproduce and carry on
a pure ethnic line.

[flashy_mcflash]

'Pure' ethnic groups are overrated anyway. Mix it up, folks.

[monomono]

This might be naive but isn't the problem with abortions, not ultrasounds?

Abortions for non-medical reasons should be illegal.

[manmanny]

I am watching CBC news
They are talking about ultrasounds and gender based abortions

Interesting statistic for Southeast Asian community

For every 100 boys under 15 years of age, there are only 86 girls

My question - what do the 14 males that do not have a corresponding female in society?
Will there be a lot of single men in the future?

Do families not care that the "loser males" will not be able to find wives in their traditional social circles?

"Loser males" = the ones with lowest socio-economic status or failures / undesirables

I have no clue why people do this. How come it matters if its boy or girl or why choose boy over girl?
Its your own child and doesn't matter what gender is. I could never digest this concept.

And about 14 males? They have plenty of choices(if its a right word) in Canada. I assume this is Canadian news story.

[manmanny]

This might be naive but isn't the problem with abortions, not ultrasounds?

Abortions for non-medical reasons should be illegal.

its what some people believe and it will be going off topic. But the issue has been already settled by SCOC.

[flashy_mcflash]

Abortions for non-medical reasons should be illegal.

Ridiculous. A woman who is raped and gets pregnant from that rape would likely want an abortion for a 'non-medical' reason. Who are you to deny her that?

[Kohanz]

There was a long thread about this before. It's a tricky issue, but basically comes down to this:

It's very difficult to reconcile opposing this practice while remaining pro-abortion. Pro-abortion people have always maintained that it is the woman's choice what to do with her body. One cannot then start to say which motivations for abortion are unethical and which aren't, because that is an extremely subjective discussion.

For those that actually watched the CBC segment, the one thing that was universally sickening was the behaviour of the man in Brampton. He basically tried to estimate how desperate the client was based on how many girls she already had and then, on the spot, marked the price up by about 1200% (from $50 to $600) and tried to pressure her into doing it right away (at 14 weeks!!!).

[zz000ter]

How often does the "get pregnant from rape" scenario happen?
Maybe one pregnancy in 100,000 occurs this way
but people with an "agenda" do not care about abusing this sort of logic

My preference would be that "careless" women who get pregnant should have the baby and give it up for adoption.
There are a LOT of people looking to adopt children

[flashy_mcflash]

How often does the "get pregnant from rape" scenario happen?
Maybe one pregnancy in 100,000 occurs this way
but people with an "agenda" do not care about abusing this sort of logic

My preference would be that "careless" women who get pregnant should have the baby and give it up for adoption.
There are a LOT of people looking to adopt children

Who cares about your preference? If the woman doesn't want a baby she shouldn't be forced to have one PERIOD. We all make mistakes and burdening society with a bunch of unwanted kids doesn't help anyone.

Also, if you think anti-abortionists don't have an agenda, hoo boy. One could also ask how many abortions are really happening due to gender selection. Probably not too far off from the 1/100K you made up out of thin air.

[oranr]

Just a friendly reminder that this is a very sensitive subject and please discuss with care and respect for all.

Thanks!

[dec12]

In B4 the feminists show up and say that women are legally and morally entitled to abort any fetus, at any gestational time, for any reason.

You have to wait for a long time. The femis are having a brain melt down over abortion rights vs more females.

[manmanny]

How often does the "get pregnant from rape" scenario happen?
Maybe one pregnancy in 100,000 occurs this way
but people with an "agenda" do not care about abusing this sort of logic

My preference would be that "careless" women who get pregnant should have the baby and give it up for adoption.
There are a LOT of people looking to adopt children

Thank you for telling others what they should do or don't. :razz:
On second reading I fell its a troll post.

[indca]

This issue is becoming big problem in India as well but on a grand scale; They showed a report where most of the guys from the villages are single, and are buying girls to marry from other poor areas, as the contractor pays to girls parents and they bring them back this girls to a village where they are auctioned off.

Girls are also preferring grooms from outside India, so guys from Canada, America, London and other parts are stealing away the best girls from India; This in part is creating more competition and less supply of available ready to marry girls; so guys are having to attain even more education and more desirable social position to at least become worth while to get married.

This abortion and gender selection is led by Middle and rich class of India not the poor class as you might have assumed; so, people with money are putting up money to find out gender and getting the abortion done, while poor are showing less tendency to abort girls.

[zz000ter]

We all make mistakes and burdening society with a bunch of unwanted kids doesn't help anyone.
.

Who says that babies are unwanted?
Babies ARE WANTED - look at how long the adoption waits are.

I wonder how you would feel if you got a woman you love pregnant
You want the baby .... and she aborts it

Would you say "oh well"?

[Abel4Life]

This issue is becoming big problem in India as well but on a grand scale; They showed a report where most of the guys from the villages are single, and are buying girls to marry from other poor areas, as the contractor pays to girls parents and they bring them back this girls to a village where they are auctioned off.

Girls are also preferring grooms from outside India, so guys from Canada, America, London and other parts are stealing away the best girls from India; This in part is creating more competition and less supply of available ready to marry girls; so guys are having to attain even more education and more desirable social position to at least become worth while to get married.

This abortion and gender selection is led by Middle and rich class of India not the poor class as you might have assumed; so, people with money are putting up money to find out gender and getting the abortion done, while poor are showing less tendency to abort girls.

A big population that also contribute to this are those 'OLD TIME' thinkers and influence from their elders etc. In addition to the rich/middle class of India it also happens in the villages where people are less informed and less educated.

They need to enforce gender selection abortions and increase punishments.

[spike1128]

This issue is becoming big problem in India as well but on a grand scale; They showed a report where most of the guys from the villages are single, and are buying girls to marry from other poor areas, as the contractor pays to girls parents and they bring them back this girls to a village where they are auctioned off.

Girls are also preferring grooms from outside India, so guys from Canada, America, London and other parts are stealing away the best girls from India; This in part is creating more competition and less supply of available ready to marry girls; so guys are having to attain even more education and more desirable social position to at least become worth while to get married.

This abortion and gender selection is led by Middle and rich class of India not the poor class as you might have assumed; so, people with money are putting up money to find out gender and getting the abortion done, while poor are showing less tendency to abort girls.

No worries, there is plenty of girls in Singapore. I think the ratio is in the favor of being a boy, too many girls in SG.

[Agafaba]

Who says that babies are unwanted?
Babies ARE WANTED - look at how long the adoption waits are.

I wonder how you would feel if you got a woman you love pregnant
You want the baby .... and she aborts it

Would you say "oh well"?

Ya, abandoned children have a great history of being treated well and being adopted quickly in society, we should be encouraging teens to get pregnant due to the low supply of kids!

/sarcasm



Well then that would be something for the couple to work out wouldnt it? What if you didnt want the kid and she decided to keep it, would you say "oh well"?

[zoober]

Free hysterectomy for anyone aborting a female fetus due to it's sex and a bullet to the head for human traffickers. Problems solved.

[monomono]

Ridiculous. A woman who is raped and gets pregnant from that rape would likely want an abortion for a 'non-medical' reason. Who are you to deny her that?

OK then, allowable reasons can be non-medical and "criminally initiated conception". The point is, enumerate the reasons for allowing abortions, and outlaw the rest.

[zoober]

OK then, allowable reasons can be non-medical and "criminally initiated conception". The point is, enumerate the reasons for allowing abortions, and outlaw the rest.

It's just like banning alcohol or drugs. People just go underground to get them. You end up with more women AND their babies bleeding to death in seedy warehouses or showing up at ER's and costing 100x more with emergency surgeries and hospital time.

[d182]

No worries, there is plenty of girls in Singapore. I think the ratio is in the favor of being a boy, too many girls in SG.

I don't know if the stats back it up, but there are plenty over there :cheesygri

[zz000ter]

Ya, abandoned children have a great history of being treated well and being adopted quickly in society, we should be encouraging teens to get pregnant due to the low supply of kids!

/sarcasm


Where? Are you talking about Canada or Bangladesh?
One of my good friends went through the adoption process so I know that babies are not treated badly
- they are snapped up almost immediately by families that want a child

[Agafaba]

Where? Are you talking about Canada or Bangladesh?
One of my good friends went through the adoption process so I know that babies are not treated badly
- they are snapped up almost immediately by families that want a child

One of my friends went through the process and was treated badly, so I know that babies are treated poorly. (actually a true story, not just me using your words against you)

[mrperfect]

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