One More Shooting, One dead. At College and Montrose Ave

[manmanny]

One dead. THis one at College St.

[sandikosh]

One dead. THis one at College St.

Link?

[flashy_mcflash]

This soccer nonsense again. Why does such a 'beautiful game' have such thugs for fans.

[manmanny]

Link?
Yep Updated on CityNews.

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/210930--1-person-dead-in-shooting-in-little-italy

[manmanny]

This soccer nonsense again. Why does such a 'beautiful game' have such thugs for fans.

Agree.
But will wait for details.

[squagles]

This soccer nonsense again. Why does such a 'beautiful game' have such thugs for fans.

I think you'll like this.

"I am always amazed when I hear people saying that sport creates goodwill between the nations, and that if only the common peoples of the world could meet one another at football or cricket, they would have no inclination to meet on the battlefield. Even if one didn't know from concrete examples (the 1936 Olympic Games, for instance) that international sporting contests lead to orgies of hatred, one could deduce it from general principles." -George Orwell

http://orwell.ru/library/articles/spirit/english/e_spirit

[manmanny]

I think you'll like this.

"I am always amazed when I hear people saying that sport creates goodwill between the nations, and that if only the common peoples of the world could meet one another at football or cricket, they would have no inclination to meet on the battlefield. Even if one didn't know from concrete examples (the 1936 Olympic Games, for instance) that international sporting contests lead to orgies of hatred, one could deduce it from general principles." -George Orwell

http://orwell.ru/library/articles/spirit/english/e_spirit

Isn't there was war in some Latin American country over this?

[peanutz]

A shooting outside an ice cream shop?!!??!?!

Seriously, just eat the ice cream and be happy. Gawd.

[cheapmeister]

Little Italy? Hmm, sounds like a mafia hit or something! jks!

[manmanny]

I know its Off-T. But why the emotions are high everywhere is because of this. Form Toronto Star.

And get this Its Italy and Ireland. Arrogant and dirty genius players Vs. Hotheads. (Sorry of Stereotyping)


So, bad memories of math.

But here’s how today in Group C plays out.

The current standings:

Spain — 4 points

Croatia — 4 points

Italy — 2 points

Ireland — 36 points (what the heck is this 36 point? Typo I guess)

Italy is in Poznan to play the Irish, while Spain plays Croatia in Gdnask.

Italy — must win; and hope that one of Croatia and Spain wins;

• if Croatia and Spain draw 0-0 while Italy wins, Italy goes through;

• if Croatia and Spain draw 1-1, Italy must beat the Irish by 3 goals; and they would be through.

• If Croatia and Spain draw 2-2, Italy is out no matter how badly they whip the Irish

Croatia — win and they’re in, lose and they’re out if Italy also wins

• Draw 0-0 – out

• Draw 1-1 – if Italy beats the Irish by two goals or less, they’re in

• Draw 2-2 – They’re through

Spain – Can only go out if they lose

Ireland – Can score 173 goals tonight, and they will still be in Dublin by noon tomorrow.

[GemInite]

Little Italy? Hmm, sounds like a mafia hit or something! jks!


I work in a newsroom, you're guess may be accurate based on what we're hearing.

[gibguitar]

Stop trying to link the incident to soccer, you're letting the media brainwash you again.

[flashy_mcflash]

Stop trying to link the incident to soccer, you're letting the media brainwash you again.

what media? It may or may not be related to soccer when the facts come out but it's hardly a crazy assumption that this shooting, in broad daylight in little Italy during a soccer game in which Italy is playing is related to soccer.

Awesome quote, squaggles.

[ShadowVlican]

Oh Toronto...

[yao416]

gang-related?

[Powder + park raider]

how many shootings this year so far?

[cheapmeister]

gang-related?


No, probably mafia! jks!

[dec12]

Oh boy. Here comes the demand for more soccer fields to combat violence.

[Powder + park raider]

btw is toronto the gun crime capital of canada or is there another city that trumps it?

[manmanny]

btw is toronto the gun crime capital of canada or is there another city that trumps it?

That honour goes to Winnipeg or Edmonton I think.

[Kris81]

This soccer nonsense again. Why does such a 'beautiful game' have such thugs for fans.


The sport is now filled with racism & violence across the world. Don't know why people STILL call it "The Beautiful Game"

[sandikosh]

I'm rooting for the Irish to beat Italy. Please, let there be silence in Woodbridge

[UrbanPoet]

Oh boy. Here comes the demand for more soccer fields to combat violence.

Nope... Not by a long shot. But Toronto is the media brain washing capital of Canada.
I'm sure the news has led many to believe Toronto is the most dangerous city in Canada and in the World...

Man up people. Toronto is safe.

[Kris81]

I'm rooting for the Irish to beat Italy. Please, let there be silence in Woodbridge

When the Portuguese, Italians & Greeks continue to succeed, and load their community bars/cafes/restaurants with business during this time, I cheer for them.

[konfusion666]

how many shootings this year so far?

23 homicides so far, last year there were 25 at this time

[stealth]

Soccer brings out the asswhole in ppl for some reason.
I guess they get so bored and angry when they realized they wasted their time watching it, that they have to release their frustrations.
Thank god we live in a civilized nation that only pretends to care about it once every 4 years.

[Kunman]

No, probably mafia! jks!

Joey...BANG BANG....Zasa

[stealth]

btw is toronto the gun crime capital of canada or is there another city that trumps it?

I'd be iinterestd in knowing which city has the most violent crime victims/deaths of INNOCENT BYSTANDERS. I don't personally care about stats that include criminals/gangsters / drug dealers etc killing each other. F-them.
As a law abiding citizen, these stats don't impact me. The only stats that should count are the ones at impact innocent citizens who keep their nose clean.

[trini]

This has nothing to do with soccer, fools.
This past weekend was taste of little italy so whatever issue they had on the weekend someone decided to get some revenge or settle the score or someone psissed for over priced Ice Cream.
I just rode past there at 2pm today and was not very busy.

[ashs]

I'd be iinterestd in knowing which city has the most violent crime victims/deaths of INNOCENT BYSTANDERS. I don't personally care about stats that include criminals/gangsters / drug dealers etc killing each other. F-them.
As a law abiding citizen, these stats don't impact me. The only stats that should count are the ones at impact innocent citizens who keep their nose clean.

That's still Edmonton, Saskatoon had it for a long time

[Tornado F2]

I know its Off-T. But why the emotions are high everywhere is because of this. Form Toronto Star.

And get this Its Italy and Ireland. Arrogant and dirty genius players Vs. Hotheads. (Sorry of Stereotyping)


So, bad memories of math.

But here’s how today in Group C plays out.

The current standings:

Spain — 4 points

Croatia — 4 points

Italy — 2 points

Ireland — 36 points (what the heck is this 36 point? Typo I guess)

Italy is in Poznan to play the Irish, while Spain plays Croatia in Gdnask.

Italy — must win; and hope that one of Croatia and Spain wins;

• if Croatia and Spain draw 0-0 while Italy wins, Italy goes through;

• if Croatia and Spain draw 1-1, Italy must beat the Irish by 3 goals; and they would be through.

• If Croatia and Spain draw 2-2, Italy is out no matter how badly they whip the Irish

Croatia — win and they’re in, lose and they’re out if Italy also wins

• Draw 0-0 – out

• Draw 1-1 – if Italy beats the Irish by two goals or less, they’re in

• Draw 2-2 – They’re through

Spain – Can only go out if they lose

Ireland – Can score 173 goals tonight, and they will still be in Dublin by noon tomorrow.

FWIW Italy were winning 1-0 at the time, Croatia-Spain was 0-0.

[Tornado F2]

Thank god we live in a civilized nation that only pretends to care about it once every 4 years.

:facepalm: :lol:

You're in for a surprise. :)

[ta66]

A friend of mine lives down there and saw the whole thing happen (happened right next to him ) this has nothing to do with soccer. My friend is almost sure its the mob doing a hit, a lot of mobsters in that area. Let's see what the cops find out.

[epik89]

people get shot all the time in other areas. why does the more "richer" areas get more media attention?

no one cares about the ghetto!

[JAC]

This soccer nonsense again. Why does such a 'beautiful game' have such thugs for fans.

'Cause they have whiny little bitches for players?:D

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/34qjnrd.gif

[Simaahoy]

Obviously mafia/mobsters are responsible. Luckily no kids were injured this time around. RIP to the dead

[masterhapposai]

23 homicides so far, last year there were 25 at this time

PROOF that football the beautiful game is beautiful

[laptop-tech]

That's why we need to give access to guns to everyone. If every citizen on the street had a gun, things would be very different...

[flashy_mcflash]

This has nothing to do with soccer, fools.
This past weekend was taste of little italy so whatever issue they had on the weekend someone decided to get some revenge or settle the score or someone psissed for over priced Ice Cream.
I just rode past there at 2pm today and was not very busy.

The game didn't start until 2:45. Perhaps that has something to do with it.

[MaximDude]

That's why we need to give access to guns to everyone. If every citizen on the street had a gun, things would be very different...

Not THAT idea again..... :confused:

I think in a city like Chicago where there are multiple shootings practically every week during the summer months it might make sense to allow everyone to carry a gun in public, but in Toronto where the murder rate is among the lowest in North American cities for its size if not the lowest, why would you ever want to arm everyone when its completely not necessary? :|

[PCDawg]

Obviously mafia/mobsters are responsible. Luckily no kids were injured this time around. RIP to the dead

Obviously a mob hit. This lady was restrained from entering the Cafe, perhaps she is the wife/gf of the victim.

http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/cafe-shooting.jpg?w=620

[JAC]

That's why we need to give access to guns to everyone. If every citizen on the street had a gun, things would be very different...

Yeah, we'd all be constantly ducking stray rounds.

[Tornado F2]

Obviously a mob hit. This lady was restrained from entering the Cafe, perhaps she is the wife/gf of the victim.

http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/cafe-shooting.jpg?w=620

It promises to be a very good-looking funeral, sad as this killing is.

[bleeet]

I am waiting for the media frenzy

and the finger pointing

[appleb]

I'm sure the shooting would not have happened if the government had poured more money into social services.

[manmanny]

I'm sure the shooting would not have happened if the government had poured more money into social services.

really? Or Future Mayor Adam Vaughan had his wish of banning bullets in Toronto City limits.:razz: That's all I can say before it becomes political.



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[flashy_mcflash]

banning bullets in Toronto City limits

At this point does it really seem so nuts? That is a lot of shootings in the past few weeks, plus this happened (http://www.640toronto.com/Channels/Reg/NewsLocal/Story.aspx?ID=1720908) almost right outside my house last week. Bunch of idiot scumbags firing wildly at NOTHING while there are children in all the surrounding houses that could've gotten hit. I don't know if banning handguns or bullets is the solution, but something needs to be done.

[laptop-tech]

At this point does it really seem so nuts? That is a lot of shootings in the past few weeks, plus this happened (http://www.640toronto.com/Channels/Reg/NewsLocal/Story.aspx?ID=1720908) almost right outside my house last week. Bunch of idiot scumbags firing wildly at NOTHING while there are children in all the surrounding houses that could've gotten hit. I don't know if banning handguns or bullets is the solution, but something needs to be done.

That situation close to your street could have been avoided, if all your neighbours had guns. Concerned citizens would shoot the person firing at nothing, to prevent a possible accident.

Imagine how much safer the world would be, if for example everyone celebrating on the streets after a soccer match and drinking beer had a gun in their possession. That way, in case a criminal was nearby they would immediately be able to address the situation in the spot, without having to wait for the police. I guarantee things would be different, and crime rates would not be as they are now in Toronto.

[manmanny]

Let's ban Plastic bags, Bullets, Knifes, Chopsticks, Forks...

"4 suspects sought after stabbing near Jane & Finch"
"There are reports the suspects were armed with kitchen knives and were all wearing blue bandanas at the time of the attack, but that hasn’t been confirmed. "


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[flashy_mcflash]

That situation close to your street could have been avoided, if all your neighbours had guns. Concerned citizens would shoot the person firing at nothing, to prevent a possible accident.

Imagine how much safer the world would be, if for example everyone celebrating on the streets after a soccer match and drinking beer had a gun in their possession. That way, in case a criminal was nearby they would immediately be able to address the situation in the spot, without having to wait for the police. I guarantee things would be different, and crime rates would not be as they are now in Toronto.

Of course you're trolling, but in the middle of the night, none of my elderly neighbors would have the ability or the inclination to shoot someone.

And manny, all those other items have alternate uses. What does someone need a handgun for in Toronto?

[Tornado F2]

Let's ban Plastic bags, Bullets, Knifes, Chopsticks, Forks...

"4 suspects sought after stabbing near Jane & Finch"
"There are reports the suspects were armed with kitchen knives and were all wearing blue bandanas at the time of the attack, but that hasn’t been confirmed. "


At least that plastic bag ban means future generations of Toronto residents can sleep soundly at night, free of the fear of somebody suffocating them with a plastic bag over the head. :lol:

Firearms definitely need to be removed though, ideally along with those crooks/gangstas possessing them.

[manmanny]

I am no fan of Guns but hate when people dictate I should live by their rules or do the way they think.
That's how anti-gun supporters become gun supporters.

[manmanny]

At least that plastic bag ban means future generations of Toronto residents can sleep soundly at night, free of the fear of somebody suffocating them with a plastic bag over the head. :lol:

Firearms definitely need to be removed though, ideally along with those crooks/gangstas possessing them.

LOL. was thinking same.
Not sure.
1000% sure.

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/12644/slide_12644_170181_large.jpg?1340123310042


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[Tornado F2]

That situation close to your street could have been avoided, if all your neighbours had guns. Concerned citizens would shoot the person firing at nothing, to prevent a possible accident.

Imagine how much safer the world would be, if for example everyone celebrating on the streets after a soccer match and drinking beer had a gun in their possession.

Then you'd have a Mid East-style volley of bullets flying through the air after every event. Really safe. :rolleyes:

[flashy_mcflash]

I am no fan of Guns but hate when people dictate I should live by their rules or do the way they think.
That's how anti-gun supporters become gun supporters.

I understand that, but there is a point where a small few people ruin it for everyone. I say again though, what possible legal or constructive reason would one have for having a handgun (to be clear I understand that people need and use long guns for hunting and have no problem with this, as street violence tends not to involve these weapons since they're tough to conceal) in a major city?

No one ever wants to be told what to do, but I'll take that over burying people that are killed in these crimes, especially the innocents. Let's not forget that the innocent bystanders that were hurt in Little Italy and the Eaton Centre place burdens on our healthcare system as well.

[manmanny]

Then you'd have a Mid East-style volley of bullets flying through the air after every event. Really safe. :rolleyes:

LOL. I was searching for that pic and you beat me to it.

[manmanny]

Simple. Guns are used for protection. Not that I will have anytime in life. But the way people dictate how I should live, I don't mind buying one. someday.

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[flashy_mcflash]

Simple. Guns are used for protection. Not that I will have anytime in life. But the way people dictate how I should live, I don't mind buying one. someday.


How many times do you ever hear of this actually happening though? I know people like to say this, but how many people have actually used a gun for protection? By this logic, which you seem to share with laptop-user, if everyone had a gun we'd be safer than ever.

[hdave]

At this point does it really seem so nuts? That is a lot of shootings in the past few weeks, plus this happened (http://www.640toronto.com/Channels/Reg/NewsLocal/Story.aspx?ID=1720908) almost right outside my house last week. Bunch of idiot scumbags firing wildly at NOTHING while there are children in all the surrounding houses that could've gotten hit. I don't know if banning handguns or bullets is the solution, but something needs to be done.

Banning ammunition in a city is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard, I already had no respect for Adam Vaughan, and this just solidified that.

Lets say 'bullets' are banned in Toronto.
Do you really think the ghetto thugs/gangsters/mobsters would follow the rule? No.
Would they still be able to bring 'bullets' into Toronto? VERY Easily, just drive into the city.
Would this reduce gun crime in Toronto? Highly Highly Highly unlikely. Obtaining ammunition from elsewhere is just as easy as it is in Toronto. All it would do is make them drive more to get it.

These types of laws make no sense and only punish the responsible gun owners, not the criminals they were meant to punish.
Lets not forget than the RCMP says it is ok to store ammunition, how can a city over rule a federal law?

[hdave]

Simple. Guns are used for protection. Not that I will have anytime in life. But the way people dictate how I should live, I don't mind buying one. someday.


Not allowed in Canada. The ONLY reason you can buy is a gun is to either hunt or for target practice.

[manmanny]

And how many time we heard from "these people" that others should live/think/do the way "these people" live/think/do.
I hate "those people".

[flashy_mcflash]

Banning ammunition in a city is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard, I already had no respect for Adam Vaughan, and this just solidified that.

Lets say 'bullets' are banned in Toronto.
Do you really think the ghetto thugs/gangsters/mobsters would follow the rule? No.
Would they still be able to bring 'bullets' into Toronto? VERY Easily, just drive into the city.
Would this reduce gun crime in Toronto? Highly Highly Highly unlikely. Obtaining ammunition from elsewhere is just as easy as it is in Toronto. All it would do is make them drive more to get it.

These types of laws make no sense and only punish the responsible gun owners, not the criminals they were meant to punish.
Lets not forget than the RCMP says it is ok to store ammunition, how can a city over rule a federal law?

I don't know how easy or difficult it is to obtain ammunition and again, perhaps an outright ban (on either guns or ammo) is not the solution, but something needs to change in the way we are handling these things.

[Tornado F2]

I don't know how easy or difficult it is to obtain ammunition and again, perhaps an outright ban (on either guns or ammo) is not the solution, but something needs to change in the way we are handling these things.

Fireworks are banned in Chicago. As you drive down the highway in neighbouring Indiana you see sign after sign after sign advertising firework stores. Obviously local bans have little real effect. Besides, it only takes ONE bullet to take a person's life. Firearms should be the obvious target - at the border - not bullets.

[flashy_mcflash]

Fireworks are banned in Chicago. As you drive down the highway in neighbouring Indiana you see sign after sign after sign advertising firework stores. Obviously local bans have little real effect. Besides, it only takes ONE bullet to take a person's life. Firearms should be the obvious target - at the border - not bullets.

Just because people don't enforce the bans consistently doesn't mean the ban doesn't work, it just means the enforcement isn't working or even happening. If you had a coworker who consistently complained that their laptop didn't work because they never plug it in, would you say that laptop was not effective?

[UrbanPoet]

They should ban shootings. Make shooting people illegal! Once its banned It'll solve all our problems.

[flashy_mcflash]

They should ban shootings. Make shooting people illegal! Once its banned It'll solve all our problems.[/SIZE]

What is your magic bullet, so to speak, to "solve all our problems"?

[hdave]

I don't know how easy or difficult it is to obtain ammunition and again, perhaps an outright ban (on either guns or ammo) is not the solution, but something needs to change in the way we are handling these things.

Not sure about how criminals obtain it, but I assume it is similar to firearms where they are smuggled in or stolen.
IMO after any incident there is always a "something needs to change" mentality.
Flavour of the week is guns, next week it will be drownings then it'll be Ornge again, etc..

Criminals get guns mainly from being smuggled into the country from the US.
That is number 1.
Number 2 is stolen from legal gun owners.

Here are solutions that will have more of an affect than banning guns or ammunition:
- more police presence
- stronger border security
- education programs targeting at-risk youth
- cheaper/better home security options (yes I know the gov't can't do anything about this)
- etc..

Besides all this, IMO road safety is a much bigger concern..
Much more innocent people die from traffic accidents than gun crime

Idiots claim to be scared to go out after incidents like this, but they are much more likely to die on a highway, yet I don't see them scared to drive.

[laptop-tech]

Simple. Guns are used for protection.<snip>
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Exactly. Imagine a place like the Eaton Centre. If everyone there had a gun, I'd feel much safer, knowing that the moment you hear a faint noise somewhere, everyone will draw their guns and shoot the suspects.

The world is becoming more violent in recent years, and providing the world population with guns to protect themselves in all scenarios seems to way to go. Church goers could use a gun to protect themselves there. Teenagers being bullied in school now could benefit from guns too. I've even advocate in favor of inmates given guns, so that they can be protected all the time in the confined space they live.

[manmanny]

Exactly. Imagine a place like the Eaton Centre. If everyone there had a gun, I'd feel much safer, knowing that the moment you hear a faint noise somewhere, everyone will draw their guns and shoot the suspects.

The world is becoming more violent in recent years, and providing the world population with guns to protect themselves in all scenarios seems to way to go. Church goers could use a gun to protect themselves there. Teenagers being bullied in school now could benefit from guns too. I've even advocate in favor of inmates given guns, so that they can be protected all the time in the confined space they live.

I can't deny you right to be troll or idiot.
First of all Toronto is much much safe city in North America. So you don't ban something because Adam Vaughn says for Political reasons.
About your ridiculous argument where in any of US cities (where Guns are allowed) such cross shootings have happened?
Does it happen everyday? So stop trolling. But you can stop anybody entering your house or other properties.
Obviously you have missed I am not pro Gun. Banning something because you feel or your political views is not justification.
But you keep on being NDP wannabe. I can't say much political than that.

Gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.Tuesday, Jun 19 2012 9PM dailymail.co.uk.

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[ChoW_MeiN]

Exactly. Imagine a place like the Eaton Centre. If everyone there had a gun, I'd feel much safer, knowing that the moment you hear a faint noise somewhere, everyone will draw their guns and shoot the suspects.

The world is becoming more violent in recent years, and providing the world population with guns to protect themselves in all scenarios seems to way to go. Church goers could use a gun to protect themselves there. Teenagers being bullied in school now could benefit from guns too. I've even advocate in favor of inmates given guns, so that they can be protected all the time in the confined space they live.

Awesome troll job, this needs one of the Fry Futurama Can't Tell if Serious memes lol

[Tornado F2]

Not sure about how criminals obtain it, but I assume it is similar to firearms where they are smuggled in or stolen.
IMO after any incident there is always a "something needs to change" mentality.
Flavour of the week is guns, next week it will be drownings then it'll be Ornge again, etc..

Criminals get guns mainly from being smuggled into the country from the US.
That is number 1.
Number 2 is stolen from legal gun owners.

Here are solutions that will have more of an affect than banning guns or ammunition:
- more police presence
- stronger border security
- education programs targeting at-risk youth
- cheaper/better home security options (yes I know the gov't can't do anything about this)
- etc..

The obvious option to go with there is the second one - secure the borders. Stop the guns coming in and gun crime can be defeated, at a reasonable expense. Let them keep trickling in and the problem will never be solved.

I heard today that border agents may be gaining increased ability to listen in on travellers' private conversations. Forget that, find better ways to detect weapons and stop the flow of guns through our borders.

[501]

damn ...this was a hit job.