Elderly School Bus Monitor gets bullied

[saint2e]

I'm just gonna leave this here, and not comment yet because honestly I am too disgusted at the moment:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/20/greece-school-district-bullied-footage-causes-outrage_n_1612925.html?1340215853&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

[Hitman21]

Disgusted but not surprised, what else do you expect from these kids.

[uber_shnitz]

I can't even....

[Simaahoy]

Disgusting:cry:

[sandikosh]

Those kids needs to be spanked in public!

[Supercooled]

Yeeah if the parents of these kids had any morals they would take thete brelts off..

[Manatus]

A single person is an awesome force with many talents, capable of doing just about anything they set their mind to. A group of people is about the dumbest, rudest, most annoying waste of oxygen out there. I don't know how it works but it does. It's like as soon as people get together, anything outside their group becomes worthless.

[Shaner]

I don't have kids, but when I do, if I learned my kids treated someone like that, I would beat their bare asses until they couldn't sit down, and then I would remove every and all privileges they had for a month. No TV, no hanging out with friends, no radio, they wouldn't have fun for a long time.

As for you self-righteous people that are going to judge my comments, shove it, I don't care what you think. Kids get away with too much these days. I would have never dared act like that when I was a kid.

That video was disgusting.

[Hitman21]

I don't have kids, but when I do, if I learned my kids treated someone like that, I would beat their bare asses until they couldn't sit down, and then I would remove every and all privileges they had for a month. No TV, no hanging out with friends, no radio, they wouldn't have fun for a long time.

As for you self-righteous people that are going to judge my comments, shove it, I don't care what you think. Kids get away with too much these days. I would have never dared act like that when I was a kid.

That video was disgusting.

This is the way these kids should be punished.

[gibguitar]

From the article:

Greece Police say they are concerned for safety of students involved and may put officers outside their homes

Good, I hope those little pieces of crap live in fear for a while, see what it's like to be harassed. This will build character in those kids, so on the bright side there's still hope for those kids if people continue to threaten and harass them for a while. If you grow up getting away with these kind of things or never see what it's like to get picked on, you'll become a selfish a-hole as an adult.

[Simaahoy]

IMO, them feeling how harassment is like is NOT enough. The parents need to discipline them and the police should look into this as well.

[divx]

you know it's bad when rfd off-topic united to condemn their actions.

[deltone]

Wow, that is one very disturbing video. I don't believe in hitting kids (or anyone) but I think I could put aside my belief for 10 minutes (the length of the video) and smack those little creeps around. (not really but it's a thought). I hope these animals get punished and are ostracized for their cruelty. I hope their actions follow them in the future and it shows up when they apply for college (if they're not in jail, the little pukes) and if they apply for jobs. Useless pieces of crap.

[gibguitar]

you know it's bad when rfd off-topic united to condemn their actions.

Well, that's only because seeing a kid getting picked on is one thing. It happens to every kid and it's part of growing up. But an old lady? And she cries? That right there is disgusting. That would make anyone on this forum's stomach turn. That could have been my mother or grandmother. That enrages the sh*t out of me right there.

[tido88]

I don't understand why she sits there and takes the verbal abuse? That's a very poor strategy when being bullied, ignoring does not work. Hence why she began to cry, but imagine that being a kid being bullied, who does not have the same perspective as the adult. No wonder some kids commit suicide, so sad. Those kids should be punished, but I doubt that will teach them anything. They should do chores for the lady for a month, perhaps community service, perhaps help with bullied victims, etc.

[edgedamage]

I don't have kids, but when I do, if I learned my kids treated someone like that, I would beat their bare asses until they couldn't sit down, and then I would remove every and all privileges they had for a month. No TV, no hanging out with friends, no radio, they wouldn't have fun for a long time.

As for you self-righteous people that are going to judge my comments, shove it, I don't care what you think. Kids get away with too much these days. I would have never dared act like that when I was a kid.

That video was disgusting.
+5K!! I was more afraid of my father than the police! That alone kept me out of trouble, well to be honest it made me a really sneaky young offender. But I would always treat my elders with respect.

[Jimboski]

I couldn't watch past the first 30 seconds - 1 minute..
Disgusting, So much for respecting your elders?

Parents need to teach their kid manners jeez..

[Hitman21]

you know it's bad when rfd off-topic united to condemn their actions.

Theres nothing else to talk about though :(

[LaserEnvy]

It all comes down to bad parenting.

[edgedamage]

I couldn't watch past the first 30 seconds - 1 minute..
Disgusting, So much for respecting your elders?

Parents need to teach their kid manners jeez..

Most parent leave the job of parenting to the T.V & internet.

[umop]

Not excusing the kids' behaviour but you shouldn't be in a position of authority if you have a weak personality and can't stand up for yourself.

[tido88]

Not excusing the kids' behaviour but you shouldn't be in a position of authority if you have a weak personality and can't stand up for yourself. Definitively, but what authority does a bus monitor have? Especially when kids are raised to be able to do anything they want. What would you do in this situation?

[Jimboski]

Most parent leave the job of parenting to the T.V & internet.

Yeah It's sad.. I can never bring myself to ever doing something like that. The first rule of mannerism taught to me was to respect my elders..


Not excusing the kids' behaviour but you shouldn't be in a position of authority if you have a weak personality and can't stand up for yourself.

What could you have done? They're kids you can't touch them. Saying stuff back to them like "be quiet" etc wouldn't make a difference also. If they are that bad mannered I doubt they'll even listen to anyone else but their parents..

[deltone]

Definitively, but what authority does a bus monitor have? Especially when kids are raised to be able to do anything they want. What would you do in this situation?

True. Years ago, having an adult monitor on a bus would typically be enough to make the kids behave. I know that when I was a kid, if we were acting up and being idiots, if an adult came along, we immediately cleaned up our act (stopped swearing, or smoking, or whatever) as we didn't misbehave in front of adults. Today, it's a whole different world, sadly.

[Jimboski]

True. Years ago, having an adult monitor on a bus would typically be enough to make the kids behave. I know that when I was a kid, if we were acting up and being idiots, if an adult came along, we immediately cleaned up our act (stopped swearing, or smoking, or whatever) as we didn't misbehave in front of adults. Today, it's a whole different world, sadly.

Exactly the same case for me.. Do whatever we please but until adult supervision came we were the nicest people we could be! Haha.. Mainly because of the presence of mind that someone Is watching over us made me act differently!
Really really sad that the kids can't pretend to be good kids whenever supervision was provided.. Hopefully now they've learned a lesson..

[kamilio]

If those were my kids they would come home to a knockout. Lights out!

[168]

It all comes down to bad parenting.

I don't know... I think it really comes down to pack mentality. I would bet that most of these kids are normal, everyday kids but when you get a group together it only takes one idiot to start something that other people, due to not wanting to be victims themselves, continue and escalate. See every riot ever.

I know there are some things that I did as a younger person in the company of "friends" (before you learn the necessity to cut some people out of your life) that I am still embarrassed about to this day. Depending upon your age, I bet you do as well.

That all said, these kids deserve a nice swift kick up the backside for their behaviour. As did I. Fortunately, my misdemeanors were committed before the age of ever-present cameras.

[LaserEnvy]

I don't know... I think it really comes down to pack mentality. I would bet that most of these kids are normal, everyday kids but when you get a group together it only takes one idiot to start something that other people, due to not wanting to be victims themselves, continue and escalate. See every riot ever.

I know there are some things that I did as a younger person in the company of "friends" (before you learn the necessity to cut some people out of your life) that I am still embarrassed about to this day. Depending upon your age, I bet you do as well.

That all said, these kids deserve a nice swift kick up the backside for their behaviour. As did I. Fortunately, my misdemeanors were committed before the age of ever-present cameras.

Now you are grouping all young people together. I'll bet the majority of the people in this forum did not commit mean and cruel acts when they were young. I certainly had no desire to.

[stuntman]

It all comes down to bad parenting.

I am pretty sure a few of those kids will be getting some intense parenting when their parents watch that video.

Poor lady....hope she is feeling better.

[Ottomaddox]

Both the school district and local police have pledged to investigate

Local police? This is a police matter now?

[Syne]

This could have been just about any random group of kids on any bus in any part of the world.

Kids are like any other animal with pack mentality and aggression towards the weak members of the herd. This needs to be nurtured out of them at a young age, or it manifests as children and you see truly horrific things happen. We've all read "Lord of the Flies" - Human children are just as feral as pigs or rats or chickens. If left to determine their own pecking order the strong will literally murder the weak in the right environment.

Only through conditioning can our nature be quelled by the ability to think critically.

[a-tree]

This could have been just about any random group of kids on any bus in any part of the world.

Kids are like any other animal with pack mentality and aggression towards the weak members of the herd. This needs to be nurtured out of them at a young age, or it manifests as children and you see truly horrific things happen. We've all read "Lord of the Flies" - Human children are just as feral as pigs or rats or chickens. If left to determine their own pecking order the strong will literally murder the weak in the right environment.

Only through conditioning can our nature be quelled by the ability to think critically.

Nothing wrong with a naturally determined pecking order. Darwin always wins.

[Ottomaddox]

This could have been just about any random group of kids on any bus in any part of the world.

Kids are like any other animal with pack mentality and aggression towards the weak members of the herd. This needs to be nurtured out of them at a young age, or it manifests as children and you see truly horrific things happen. We've all read "Lord of the Flies" - Human children are just as feral as pigs or rats or chickens. If left to determine their own pecking order the strong will literally murder the weak in the right environment.

Only through conditioning can our nature be quelled by the ability to think critically.

C'mon, adults do the same thing all the time.

[Shaner]

Nothing wrong with a naturally determined pecking order. Darwin always wins.

So you'd have no problem with me coming to your house, beating the hell out of you and taking everything you own? That would just be part of the natural pecking order and should be acceptable right?

[a-tree]

So you'd have no problem with me coming to your house, beating the hell out of you and taking everything you own? That would just be part of the natural pecking order and should be acceptable right?

Pecking order being 'acceptable' and pecking order as it exists as a natural law are two vastly different discussions.

[jetfire33]

Nothing wrong with a naturally determined pecking order. Darwin always wins.

True natural selection and pecking order at play here is that humanity evolves to form societies that eventually evolve into putting brains ahead of brawn in determining pecking order (careers, money, etc).

Therefore when an exception happens, like in this case where brawn was used to try to establish a pecking order, the same society that has moved to brains over brawn steps in and puts a stop to it (investigations, shaming, etc).

So this right here, the article, this thread, the backlash, etc is the real Darwinism at work - highly evolved brains and social order replacing brawn with brains in determining pecking order.

[Rehan]

I bet that's the 'easiest' $60k she ever received...
http://www.indiegogo.com/loveforkarenhklein

(Good for her.)

The kids are going to learn a lesson the hard way, it seems.

[valeriey]

I don't have kids, but when I do, if I learned my kids treated someone like that, I would beat their bare asses until they couldn't sit down, and then I would remove every and all privileges they had for a month. No TV, no hanging out with friends, no radio, they wouldn't have fun for a long time.

As for you self-righteous people that are going to judge my comments, shove it, I don't care what you think. Kids get away with too much these days. I would have never dared act like that when I was a kid.

That video was disgusting.

My children rode on my bus but if they ever acted that way on or off a school bus, this is actly what would have happened!

[ishfish]

My children rode on my bus but if they ever acted that way on or off a school bus, this is actly what would have happened!

I wonder what it would be like if one of the kids had to talk to her one on one - an apology over time. Hear her history and hear how she was hurt by them.

And to apologize - a real apology. And to ask for forgiveness (not that she has to give it).

To feel shame.

And then pay the debt owed to her.

One on one over time.

[HTTP04]

I dont even know what to say

[Syne]

Nothing wrong with a naturally determined pecking order. Darwin always wins.

So the natural pecking order goes 12-year-old > senior citizen?

And what do you mean "Darwin always wins"? How does natural selection factor into the conflict between the prepubescent and the post-menopausal?

[stuntman]

...

[a-tree]

So the natural pecking order goes 12-year-old > senior citizen?

And what do you mean "Darwin always wins"? How does natural selection factor into the conflict between the prepubescent and the post-menopausal?

You obviously didn't read Lord of the Flies very carefully.

[Cheap Cat]

Not excusing the kids' behaviour but you shouldn't be in a position of authority if you have a weak personality and can't stand up for yourself.

What was she supposed to do? I doubt she is working at her age and putting up with those brats because she wants to. This is her job. If she had done anything to those brats, she'd be in trouble. Rotten apples like that don't fall far from the tree so not only would in her job be in jeopardy but I'm sure she'd be sued by the parents. Remember this woman grew up in a different era where kids respected adults. Heck I'm sure most of us grew up like that. This is the future and it is scary. So stop coddling your kids and giving into their every whim and teach them to behave as civilized members of society who respect others.

Also rather than criticize the bus monitor, she never stooped to their level and despite crying maintained her dignity throughout. That is much harder to do than letting the kids have it.

[Doodies]

I wonder what it would be like if one of the kids had to talk to her one on one - an apology over time. Hear her history and hear how she was hurt by them.

And to apologize - a real apology. And to ask for forgiveness (not that she has to give it).

To feel shame.

And then pay the debt owed to her.

One on one over time.

Lol, are you being facetious, you have to be... This is the same type of thinking that is what's wrong with society and why this stuff happend in the first place. This soft parenting bs with no real discipline, it is embarrassing. Kids barely get suspended or even detention in school these days, punishment is non existent and then we wonder why kids/young adults turn to crime and even then they receive little or no punishment.

[gizmo8]

Toronto kids arent much better...I seen young teens take seats from elderly TTC riders and laugh at them for being too slow to get a seat.I heard from teachers that physical abuse is rising in some schools and know one teacher she got her nose broken and concussion and the student wasnt only suspended for two weeks because no other student would testify to cops what actually happened..this generations of kids dont know the term hard work or respect for adults....

[EmperorOfCanada]

That could so easily be my own grandmother. I really hope Karma pays these kids a visit.

[Yu_Qing]

sigh. abortion is legal in NY no? if you're not gonna raise your kid properly, then don't have any. it's more mess the world has to deal with.

[JAC]

So you'd have no problem with me coming to your house, beating the hell out of you and taking everything you own? That would just be part of the natural pecking order and should be acceptable right?

I'll drive.

[Syne]

I'll drive.

Got room in the back?

[skyblue12]

just watched the video.. absolutely disgusted, but as others have said, not really surprised unfortunately..

[natty32]

those kids need a beat-down

anyway on a better note this went viral on reddit and 4chan

also started a donation for her - its now up to $102,000 - http://www.indiegogo.com/loveforkarenhklein?c=home

[AcidBomber]

those kids need a beat-down

anyway on a better note this went viral on reddit and 4chan

also started a donation for her - its now up to $102,000 - http://www.indiegogo.com/loveforkarenhklein?c=home

How can we be sure the donated money actually reaches the lady instead of "Max S"?

[natty32]

How can we be sure the donated money actually reaches the lady instead of "Max S"?


no clue but it would be a good way to make a quick buck :P

[_Allan_]

you know it's bad when rfd off-topic united to condemn their actions.
A couple days ago, I posted a video of a 3yr old being told she couldn't draw on the sidewalk, and it made everyone angry at the Homeowner Association! *L*


I'll drive.

Got room in the back?
Count me in! I haven't given' anyone a good beatin' in a while.

[r1lee]

So you'd have no problem with me coming to your house, beating the hell out of you and taking everything you own? That would just be part of the natural pecking order and should be acceptable right?


I'll drive.


Got room in the back?

We all agree that what happened in that video is disgusting. I guess the pack mentality caught you 4 (_Allan_ included) in the same situation that you so disgustingly despise.

Darwin always win is quite funny. As the definition of "survival of the fittest" doesn't necessarily mean physical attribution. In the situation between the kids and the school bus monitor, who do you guys think came out on top?

[Syne]

For every group of snotty kids that get 4-channed into smithereens, there are millions more getting away with it.

Some parents actually want their kids to be 'alpha' and aggressive, because they think it means their kids are winners in life. How many times in school did the kid getting picked on go the teachers and parents, just to be ignored or brushed off? Adults either actively behind closed doors, or passively through inaction, encourage this sort of behaviour.

If adults treated emotional abuse as seriously as physical or sexual abuse, then the world would be a better place.

[r1lee]

For every group of snotty kids that get 4-channed into smithereens, there are millions more getting away with it.

Some parents actually want their kids to be 'alpha' and aggressive, because they think it means their kids are winners in life. How many times in school did the kid getting picked on go the teachers and parents, just to be ignored or brushed off? Adults either actively behind closed doors, or passively through inaction, encourage this sort of behaviour.

If adults treated emotional abuse as seriously as physical or sexual abuse, then the world would be a better place.

then you should take the above statement to heart. You can't be the sole judgement of what you think is right or wrong. By creating a desire to teach A-tree a lesson (on the internet), you have become what you so disgustingly hate. No two wrongs make a right and if you think by justifying your actions or reaction with the use of the bullying tactics is an excuse, then you do not understand what bullying is all about.

Look its easy to "like" what's happening to those kids. Heck I do, if they can dish it, they better be able to take it, now hopefully they understand what bullying is all about. The Question now is, do the individuals who are in this mob bullying of the kids understand their actions?

A-tree's comments hold nothing but to imply that the natural selection of things will inadvertently take effect, and it has done so. At least that's what i got out of it.

[peanutz]

What disgusting little maggots.

[a-tree]

A-tree's comments hold nothing but to imply that the natural selection of things will inadvertently take effect, and it has done so. At least that's what i got out of it.

And not a thing more.

[stuntman]

A-tree's comments hold nothing but to imply that the natural selection of things will inadvertently take effect, and it has done so. At least that's what i got out of it.

How could you get that out of it? He did not imply he condoned it by saying there was nothing wrong with it:

"Nothing wrong with a naturally determined pecking order. Darwin always wins."





PS.
He is on my blocked list again because he is too Jerry Springer like for me. Obviously fake or totally damaged....but if you quote him I can see the posts.

[Corleone187]

what a bunch of punks >:(

[r1lee]

How could you get that out of it? I guess any sentence can mean anything to you? He did not imply he condoned it by saying there was nothing wrong with it:

"Nothing wrong with a naturally determined pecking order. Darwin always wins."
.

But what is the current outcome of the situation between the kids and the monitor?

I'm curious what people believe to be what Darwin stated in their own interpretation of it. My understanding of "survival of the fittest" and "natural selection" is "preservation of favored races for the struggle for life.".

The Kids have been condemned, harass and now fear for their lives and anyone associated with them are also in the path of destruction. Therefore darwinism has taken its place.

[saint2e]

Don't feed the trolls, guys.

And as for recompense for the students. I'd say community service. Perhaps helping at an old folks' home?

Public shaming is one thing, and I'm totally against Internet Vigilantism, so I feel the punishment should fit the crime.

[D-Roc]

This video mad me so angry, that I could not watch all of it. I too do not beleive in hitting a child. And not sure if I could still do it in this case (I admit it would be very tempting), but this behaviour is learned and I would gladly take the parents aside and beat their a$$ for such a horrible job they did in teaching respect and common decency towards others.

[thelefteyeguy]

I don't have kids, but when I do, if I learned my kids treated someone like that, I would beat their bare asses until they couldn't sit down, and then I would remove every and all privileges they had for a month. No TV, no hanging out with friends, no radio, they wouldn't have fun for a long time.

As for you self-righteous people that are going to judge my comments, shove it, I don't care what you think. Kids get away with too much these days. I would have never dared act like that when I was a kid.

That video was disgusting.

teaching kids respect start at a very early age...already started long ago with my kid. I find early structured-pre school also helps in conjunction with parents teaching a good combination

[Rainne]

Should beat their asses.

[valeriey]

They are talking about this on The View right now.

[arclite]

Funny how the kids facebook pages are closed. All scared shitless. They are going to fear for their lives from now on.

[valeriey]

What I don't understand is why the bus driver didn't pull the bus over and stop this.
If that happened on my bus I would have turned the bus around and taken these students back to the school and left them there.

[ishfish]

Lol, are you being facetious, you have to be... This is the same type of thinking that is what's wrong with society and why this stuff happend in the first place. This soft parenting bs with no real discipline, it is embarrassing. Kids barely get suspended or even detention in school these days, punishment is non existent and then we wonder why kids/young adults turn to crime and even then they receive little or no punishment.

Certainly my response seems lame - but lets talk reality not fantasy. And a van of rfders driving off to kick someones behind etc is not going to happen.

And I am not saying that there should not be punishment - that is the parental bussing and legal systems role at the moment.

And "real punishment" is about not engaging in a behavior because you are avoiding a negative consequence. That is a start. Ideally as a young person they also develop an internal system (compassion, guilt...)that inhibits certain choices.

I think the best consequences access both the internal and external motivators.

Not everyone has internal motivation and therfore a real apology would likely be impossible.

But if there is an indication that one of these kids can experience regret and remorse (not just because they got caught), then I think they should (with the victims's consent) apologize.

And when I say apologize I do not mean a quickie "I am sorry." Not at all. Potentially I am talking about a PROCESS that takes months.

I am talking about hearing from her how she was harmed, expressing regret and remorse, genuine apology, acknowledging the mistake (again not a single statement)...

And the perp must take restorative action.

Sot to me the consequence is bigger than just a rfd a$$ whipping - but certainly the a$$ whipping can be part of it.

[Yu_Qing]

Funny how the kids facebook pages are closed. All scared shitless. They are going to fear for their lives from now on.

how did you get their names?

[arclite]

how did you get their names?

It's all over the internet. Lots of info on PasteBin http://pastebin.com/cPD4YHxD

[saint2e]

What I don't understand is why the bus driver didn't pull the bus over and stop this.
If that happened on my bus I would have turned the bus around and taken these students back to the school and left them there.

What can the bus driver do that the monitor couldn't? And if you turn the bus around and left them at school, you'd get this scenario:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2012/06/08/ottawa-oc-transpo-bus-driver-apology.html

I hate to subscribe to the notion that we live in a "Nanny State", but lately i've seen tons of evidence to support that claim.

[XtremeModder]

From the article:


Good, I hope those little pieces of crap live in fear for a while, see what it's like to be harassed. This will build character in those kids, so on the bright side there's still hope for those kids if people continue to threaten and harass them for a while. If you grow up getting away with these kind of things or never see what it's like to get picked on, you'll become a selfish a-hole as an adult.

Sorry, but all thought school when I was younger i was the kid who got picked on. Grade 11, some kid kept following me around calling me ***** this and gay that (and trust me I'm not).

Know what happened to him? He got in my face one day, I said get the f*** out of my face. His answer? Make me.

And that's exactly what I did, he ended up with a black eye and a broken nose. That's the first and last time I ever got treated like that, and I obviously shouldn't have done that but when I look back on it now, I'm still glad I did it...

[valeriey]

What can the bus driver do that the monitor couldn't? And if you turn the bus around and left them at school, you'd get this scenario:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2012/06/08/ottawa-oc-transpo-bus-driver-apology.html

I hate to subscribe to the notion that we live in a "Nanny State", but lately i've seen tons of evidence to support that claim.

Wrong. If I took them back to the school, then the principal/teacher/whoever would call the parents to come and get them. They would not be left on the side of the road.

[xlc_88]

The video made me teared up a bit and I'm a guy.

They should take everything away from the kids. Suspend them. Take away all electronics. No more bus rides. Community service.

[saint2e]

Wrong. If I took them back to the school, then the principal/teacher/whoever would call the parents to come and get them. They would not be left on the side of the road.

So now you've got a bunch of parents irate at you because the kids weren't brought home as expected, now they have to go and get the kids themselves, and there'd be public outcry because a rash decision was made just from a few kids' misbehaviour rabble rabble rabble.

[valeriey]

So now you've got a bunch of parents irate at you because the kids weren't brought home as expected, now they have to go and get the kids themselves, and there'd be public outcry because a rash decision was made just from a few kids' misbehaviour rabble rabble rabble.

Irate?:lol:Tough.
I would not put them all off, just the ones I KNEW were causing problems.
Outcry? Nah, just following proceedure.

[valeriey]

So now you've got a bunch of parents irate at you because the kids weren't brought home as expected, now they have to go and get the kids themselves, and there'd be public outcry because a rash decision was made just from a few kids' misbehaviour rabble rabble rabble.

I usually have to do this at least once/year. It shows the students that I am not kidding when I tell you to settle down/quiet down/sit down or what ever the issue is.

Usually they learn after the first time.

[saint2e]

I usually have to do this at least once/year. It shows the students that I am not kidding when I tell you to settle down/quiet down/sit down or what ever the issue is.

Usually they learn after the first time.

Don't get me wrong, I like the approach, but there's no win here for the school board, sadly. I may be a little biased/negative since my mother was a school teacher, and after hearing her horror stories, I have little faith in the ability for the school board to sufficiently discipline children.

[BluePhirePB]

... dafuq? I don't ever recall kids acting like this even when I was in school getting bullied ...

[boyoflondon]

Leaves you speechless. Makes you wonder where the parenting skills are when the kids are acting out this way.

[valeriey]

Don't get me wrong, I like the approach, but there's no win here for the school board, sadly. I may be a little biased/negative since my mother was a school teacher, and after hearing her horror stories, I have little faith in the ability for the school board to sufficiently discipline children.

I can't worry about the school board disciplining them. It is more of an inconvenience for the parents to go pick them up. How many times will they do that before they get p'od and deal with their children?

[saint2e]

I can't worry about the school board disciplining them. It is more of an inconvenience for the parents to go pick them up. How many times will they do that before they get p'od and deal with their children?

Valid point, I like it.

[Tabooger]

Great time to put these rascals to work out in the sun. I'm starting a deck, I wouldn't mind ordering one of these idiots.

[stuntman]

But what is the current outcome of the situation between the kids and the monitor?
I'm curious what people believe to be what Darwin stated in their own interpretation of it. My understanding of "survival of the fittest" and "natural selection" is "preservation of favored races for the struggle for life.".
The Kids have been condemned, harass and now fear for their lives and anyone associated with them are also in the path of destruction. Therefore darwinism has taken its place.


You had said a-tree implied natural selection, pecking order blah blah.....what he did was condone the actions of the kids.

BTW I don't think this item is fits into Darwinism. Darwinism is limited to characteristics that promote reproduction of one genetic type over another and the competition between differing genetic types that results in the proliferation of the superior gene type.

The old lady was not going to reproduce and the kids were not making babies out of this. The kids received no food or nourishment. This is was not Darwinism.

[nyik]

http://themetapicture.com/media/funny-parents-grades-teachers-comic.jpg

[HTTP04]

Great time to put these rascals to work out in the sun. I'm starting a deck, I wouldn't mind ordering one of these idiots.

They might make good target holders at gun practice

My aim is very rusty though

[Yu_Qing]

They might make good target holders at gun practice

My aim is very rusty though

i find this very appealing. (i'm serious).

[ishfish]

It says her fund is now 300k.

[a-tree]

You had said a-tree implied natural selection, pecking order blah blah.....what he did was condone the actions of the kids.

BTW I don't think this item is fits into Darwinism. Darwinism is limited to characteristics that promote reproduction of one genetic type over another and the competition between differing genetic types that results in the proliferation of the superior gene type.

The old lady was not going to reproduce and the kids were not making babies out of this. The kids received no food or nourishment. This is was not Darwinism.

Nowhere did I say it was ok to harass an old lady. My point was making the observation that pecking order is a naturally determined law, as in, it happens in any human interaction involving more than two people. Don't ever dare to put words in my mouth again. Darwinism is more than just about reproduction. If you ever read a single sentence on the subject, you would know this.

[BornToSave]

Her fund has passed 400k!!! Good for her.

Hopefully those punks are punished by the school system, and banned from the school bus for a year.

[valeriey]

I just heard on the news that the students will be disciplined but not prosecuted, so says the police chief in that jurisdiction.

The father of one of the boys involved said that he "is appalled that his son would treat another human being that way."

[arclite]

I just heard on the news that the students will be disciplined but not prosecuted, so says the police chief in that jurisdiction.

The father of one of the boys involved said that he "is appalled that his son would treat another human being that way."

That's what they all say...

[EmperorOfCanada]

That's what they all say...

He should put his money where his mouth is. Make a large donation to her fund and make the kid get a job and pay it off.

Also, hopefully this woman gets enough donations that she can just retire and never ever have to worry about being in that situation again.

Also, 400K accoring to the post article.



DONATIONS UPDATE: $400,000 raised as of 10:00pm Thursday.
Click here if you wish to donate.
More than 18,000 donors from across the country have already donated over $400,000 to pay for Karen to take the vacation of a lifetime, or maybe even retire early. People have given as little as $1 and as much as $1,000.

[Ottomaddox]

I just heard on the news that the students will be disciplined but not prosecuted, so says the police chief in that jurisdiction.

The father of one of the boys involved said that he "is appalled that his son would treat another human being that way."

I'm still confused about why the police are involved.

[stuntman]

Nothing wrong with a naturally determined pecking order. Darwin always wins.


Nowhere did I say it was ok to harass an old lady. My point was making the observation that pecking order is a naturally determined law, as in, it happens in any human interaction involving more than two people. Don't ever dare to put words in my mouth again. Darwinism is more than just about reproduction. If you ever read a single sentence on the subject, you would know this.

Well, I just can't help myself so I peeked. You are such an easy target.

See the first quote? When refering to the kids bullying / Lord of the Flies / pecking order you typed that there was nothing wrong with it. Why do you continually lie?

Let me start the reply to your Darwin statement by saying you are WRONG AGAIN!:lol:

As far as Darwinism goes (r1lee brought it up and I was responding to his post), Darwinism deals with reproduction/propagation of genes that is achieved through competition of those genes in nature.

Others have borrowed the term Darwinism for their own fields of study because the theory was so good and well understood. It immediately gives their audience an idea of what their theory is about. When they do they use a descriptive prefix, r1lee did not (maybe he forgot?). Here are the first 4 from Google: social Darwinism, universal Darwinism, neo-Darwinism, neural Darwinism.

None of those 4 are Darwinism. If you had proper schooling. You would know that. Maybe you went to a school that did not teach evolution? Please consider yourself schooled on this tiny part of the subject.



Your usual pattern continues.....say something offensive, deny it, screw and distort reality, spew nonsense and then say someone knows nothing about a subject and should go read a book. You don't and can't back up your gibberish and false statements because they are untrue.

For me backing this one up is pretty easy. Google "Darwinism" and the first hit will provide 5 links on the first set of hits. One of them is for Darwinism. :)

[Corleone187]

I think she will get $1million dollars haha well that is good, she is 68 I heard so she should use it up and whatever is left make an anti-bully fund or something

BTW that guy who recorded the video is a bully? why did he upload it? He self-owned himself?

[EmperorOfCanada]

I'm still confused about why the police are involved.

At the least, it looked like an assault took place. Not sure if anything else there was criminal? Oh right, and one kid mentioned stabbing her which could have been taken as a direct threat, or the kid who mentioned breaing into her place and robbing her. Did they mean it? Pretty unlikely, but still potentially illegal (I have no idea what the laws in the region are for the offenses I mentioned).

[stuntman]

Originally Posted by huffington post
DONATIONS UPDATE: $400,000 raised as of 10:00pm Thursday.
Click here if you wish to donate.
More than 18,000 donors from across the country have already donated over $400,000 to pay for Karen to take the vacation of a lifetime, or maybe even retire early. People have given as little as $1 and as much as $1,000.

I wonder how long it will be until someone else tries to get rich with a fake sympathy video based on this incident.
Well I hope she gets the money and lives a happy life and I hope those kids feel a little remorse every time they think about this, they are not about to forget it.

Maybe this turns out to be a win win. :)

[a-tree]

Well, I just can't help myself so I peeked. You are such an easy target.

See the first quote? When refering to the kids bullying / Lord of the Flies / pecking order you typed that there was nothing wrong with it. Why do you continually lie?

Let me start the reply to your Darwin statement by saying you are WRONG AGAIN!:lol:

As far as Darwinism goes (r1lee brought it up and I was responding to his post), Darwinism deals with reproduction/propagation of genes that is achieved through competition of those genes in nature.

Others have borrowed the term Darwinism for their own fields of study because the theory was so good and well understood. It immediately gives their audience an idea of what their theory is about. When they do they use a descriptive prefix, r1lee did not (maybe he forgot?). Here are the first 4 from Google: social Darwinism, universal Darwinism, neo-Darwinism, neural Darwinism.

None of those 4 are Darwinism. If you had proper schooling. You would know that. Maybe you went to a school that did not teach evolution? Please consider yourself schooled on this tiny part of the subject.



Your usual pattern continues.....say something offensive, deny it, screw and distort reality, spew nonsense and then say someone knows nothing about a subject and should go read a book. You don't and can't back up your gibberish and false statements because they are untrue.

For me backing this one up is pretty easy. Google "Darwinism" and the first hit will provide 5 links on the first set of hits. One of them is for Darwinism.

There's nothing wrong with a naturally determined pecking order. It basically means that pecking orders are how humans socialize and order themselves. It's a natural occurrence, and hence, it cannot be subject to the judgment of whether it is morally right or wrong. Are laws of Newton morally right or wrong? Are Einstein's? You chose to read my post in a way that deviated from the message. I tried to correct you by elaborating myself, but you still chose to ignore that and reply with more nonsense.

The fundamental idea behind evolution is the strong always survive. Hence the expression, "survival of the fittest", which fits very well with the point I was making.

[deltone]

I wonder how long it will be until someone else tries to get rich with a fake sympathy video based on this incident.
Well I hope she gets the money and lives a happy life and I hope those kids feel a little remorse every time they think about this, they are not about to forget it.

Maybe this turns out to be a win win. :)

I just hope the media doesn't start digging around in her past and find something that she might find embarassing. They tend to do that. (Remember that homeless guy with the radio voice. They built him up and then tore him down). Let's hope they let this poor lady have her money and then allow her to live in peace.

[qmelley]

Have the parents been found yet?

[aplayaz2000]

beat your kids

[Kaz]

What does anyone expect when our schools and society teach that personal responsibility and consequences for actions don't mean anything. Kids are brought up with a lack of respect for any authority, and if anyone tries to instill it, someone get's sued.
Look at that teacher in Edmonton who was suspended for giving a student a zero because the kid didn't hand in his work.... Not fair to the kid????? The "students" in Quebec who have managed to skrew everybody.
We really need to look at the lack of responsibility and decency that is prevelant today...

[YippoHippo]

Raised 450k in one day, 29 more days to go.

[Phoenix3434]

This is a reflection of the pitiful society we have today. No accountability, every wants a free lunch, kids are coddled and "shouldn't feel bad about getting low marks", etc. etc. etc.

The North American society is dead..

Actually, let me say, the North American society that has WESTERN values are dead. The parents that have the life philosophies of immigrant families (whether it be from Europe, Asia, or wherever) will take over. B/c those kids are simply better.

[valeriey]

I'm still confused about why the police are involved.

Because bullying is against the law?

[newt_101]

I started to cry watching this.
As a full-grown man in my early 30s I would have punched the kids if I had seen that and faced whatever legal consequences would have come my way.

[coriolis]

I wonder how long it will be until someone else tries to get rich with a fake sympathy video based on this incident.
Well I hope she gets the money and lives a happy life and I hope those kids feel a little remorse every time they think about this, they are not about to forget it.

Maybe this turns out to be a win win. :)

There was that lady that faked her cancer and raised a ton of money a while back wasn't there?

[DiceMan]

I read that the kids' identities had leaked (four kids) and they are getting death threats from around the world. Tough luck for them.

[olssy]

"I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on
frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond
words... When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and
respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise
[disrespectful] and impatient of restraint" (Hesiod, 8th century BC).

Kids have always tested the limits of authority figures, when said authority figure does not produce any limits situations like that on the bus happen. That said the kids should be punished and it would be very nice for the woman on the bus to get a big check and go into retirement or work with younger children, she definitively is not capable of handling a group of unsupervised older kids be herself.

[BornToSave]

This is a reflection of the pitiful society we have today. No accountability, every wants a free lunch, kids are coddled and "shouldn't feel bad about getting low marks", etc. etc. etc.

The North American society is dead..

Actually, let me say, the North American society that has WESTERN values are dead. The parents that have the life philosophies of immigrant families (whether it be from Europe, Asia, or wherever) will take over. B/c those kids are simply better.

:facepalm:

[Simaahoy]

Hope that lady find some peace after this horrific harassment. She deserves the money.

[valeriey]

Hope that lady find some peace after this horrific harassment. She deserves the money.

I don't know if I would go that far. What she deserves is RESPECT.
We all suffer from bullying at one time or another, and that's not right either.

[wachidarin]

she was also on cnn last night, she was offered some vacation to bring a bunch of her friends or family
just something to make it up i guess

[Ottomaddox]

Because bullying is against the law?

Really? I don't think it is.


At the least, it looked like an assault took place. Not sure if anything else there was criminal? Oh right, and one kid mentioned stabbing her which could have been taken as a direct threat, or the kid who mentioned breaing into her place and robbing her. Did they mean it? Pretty unlikely, but still potentially illegal (I have no idea what the laws in the region are for the offenses I mentioned).

This seems more likely.
Although I can't help thinking the only reason the police are involved is because of the publicity.

[CSK'sMom]

This woman was on AC360 last night with Anderson Cooper. She genuinely seems like a decent woman. She does this (bus monitor) to fill time and because she loves kids. Thankfully, she says she didn't hear most of the taunts at the time. But what was revealed was that the taunt that hurt her the most and is still being replayed in her head is the one about not having a family cause they all killed themselves to get away from her. She had a son that committed suicide 10 years ago. :( But the good feeling part of the interview... Anderson told her Southwest Airlines was giving her a trip to Disney for her and 9 friends/family. She was so genuinely shocked, it was cute. When asked about the online fundraising, she said she would believe it when and if she ever got the money. Savy woman!

edit to add: 2 of the kids actually gave statements to AC360. They were far from apologies though. 2 parents have been in contact with her too, shocked at their kids behavior. She says she will not press charges but if the local PD does, she will cooperate. She only wants apologies, the kids removed from the bus and sports for one full school year...

[_wes]

Truly a sad story. We've all done some stupid things as kids - not defending what they did to this poor woman or saying they shouldn't be held accountable for their actions at this point... but the day they grow up and realize the extent of what they've done I think will be their biggest punishment.

[BornToSave]

Donations for her vacation have passed the half million mark!! Remarkable outpouring of support and compassion for Karen.

[sleepyguy]

Yeah, the internet never forgets... hopefully down the road the next few years when they get older they will reach out to her and apologize.

Not sure what family values these parents are teaching... geeze...


Truly a sad story. We've all done some stupid things as kids - not defending what they did to this poor woman or saying they shouldn't be held accountable for their actions at this point... but the day they grow up and realize the extent of what they've done I think will be their biggest punishment.

[BluePhirePB]

Yeah, the internet never forgets... hopefully down the road the next few years when they get older they will reach out to her and apologize.Not likely. Knowing them, they'll play the victim card or whatever excuses they can come up with.


Not sure what family values these parents are teaching... geeze..."YOU DID WHAT?! THAT'S IT, NO MORE MODERN WARFARE 3 FOR YOU! AS YOUR PUNISHMENT, YOU CAN ONLY PLAY MODERN WARFARE 2 OR BLACK OPS!"

I wouldn't be surprised if the parents step up and claim their child is "a good boy/girl" and would never do something like that. Then they'll proceed to accuse Karen of instigating the insults followed by claiming the video was edited by Karen to gain sympathy. Finally, when that's not enough, they'll sue the school board and/or Karen for defamation of their children and demand $1 million for emotional damage.

[Agafaba]

I was bullied for years, and physically so in addition to mentally...

Anyone willing to donate money for my vacation can message me for the link to my paypal account, hoping to reach 10k. (seems fairly realistic considering what she will be receiving)



Seriously though what the kids did were wrong, but I find the whole over reaction a bit ridiculous... This is what 50% of students likely went through, and nobody gave them money or criminally charged the bullies. Instead of giving some random lady that was bullied money so she can retire and society can go back to pretending it doesnt happen maybe people should be putting money towards programs that actually try to stop it from happening in the first place

[tido88]

Sorry, but all thought school when I was younger i was the kid who got picked on. Grade 11, some kid kept following me around calling me ***** this and gay that (and trust me I'm not).

Know what happened to him? He got in my face one day, I said get the f*** out of my face. His answer? Make me.

And that's exactly what I did, he ended up with a black eye and a broken nose. That's the first and last time I ever got treated like that, and I obviously shouldn't have done that but when I look back on it now, I'm still glad I did it...

Congratulations! Good job man, actually you endured more than he did. Emotional abuse is much worse than physical abuse. Phyical abuse heals quick, emotional abuse festers for years. Looking back I too used some physical force to scare off potential bullies, should of done so more often.

[manmanny]

what is wrong with some of these young ones?

"Bullied bus monitor and students require police protection after threats fly" (http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1215562--students-accused-of-bullying-elderly-bus-monitor-face-death-threats?bn=1)




Police guarded the home of an elderly bus monitor – who was bullied to tears by a group of Grade 7 boys – after a car full of young people drove by her house several times on Thursday night uttering threats.

“We heard ‘there’s going to be a lynching tonight,’” said Brian Klein, son of Karen Klein, the 68-year-old grandmother who was the subject of the profanity-laced video posted to YouTube earlier this week.

So the woman’s family felt they had no choice but to call the police for protection.

The YouTube video that went viral has spawned not just an outpouring of generosity, with donations to Klein reaching $500,364 by Friday at noon, but also venomous death threats against the young perpetrators.

[Simaahoy]

Who originally uploaded the video to Youtube? Was it the kids?

[tido88]

The North American society is dead..

Actually, let me say, the North American society that has WESTERN values are dead. The parents that have the life philosophies of immigrant families (whether it be from Europe, Asia, or wherever) will take over. B/c those kids are simply better.
That's a very large generalization, and I was not born in North America.

[Yu_Qing]

Yeah, the internet never forgets... hopefully down the road the next few years when they get older they will reach out to her and apologize.

Not sure what family values these parents are teaching... geeze...

that's the problem. these parents are not teaching their kids anything; thats why they are usually more influenced by their peers. it is likely that one or two kids thought it would be cool to pick on her, and then other kids chimed it cause those kids were doing it and they wanted to fit with the crowd.

[BluePhirePB]

Who originally uploaded the video to Youtube? Was it the kids?One of the kids who now claims he was pressured to do it against his will. Playing the victim card as usual ...

[YLSF]

Didn't read the whole thread but someone started up an Indiegogo for the guy who started the fundraising (Max) and that Indiegogo : http://www.indiegogo.com/love-for-max-too Almost at $5000!!

[Agafaba]

that's the problem. these parents are not teaching their kids anything; thats why they are usually more influenced by their peers. it is likely that one or two kids thought it would be cool to pick on her, and then other kids chimed it cause those kids were doing it and they wanted to fit with the crowd.

This behavior has always existed, this is just a special case where the kids were bullying an adult instead of one of their own. In the past she wouldnt have gotten money for the incident, more than likely the kids would have just been beat to a pulp from their parents, or the bus monitor herself.

[EmperorOfCanada]

One of the kids who now claims he was pressured to do it against his will. Playing the victim card as usual ...

Lol, funny how that didnt make it onto the recording.

[iEyeCaptain]

I heard one of the kids is a son of a cop.

I bet his life will be fantastic for the next little while.

[LostInTruth]

that's the problem. these parents are not teaching their kids anything; thats why they are usually more influenced by their peers. it is likely that one or two kids thought it would be cool to pick on her, and then other kids chimed it cause those kids were doing it and they wanted to fit with the crowd.

Why is everyone blaming the parents in this case? I'm not saying they're completely blameless, but what parent is going to chastise their kids in public to the media, outside of harsh words? Discipline will occur behind closed doors (hopefully).

You can only control your kids so much, and hope they associate themselves with positive peers.




Anyone willing to donate money for my vacation can message me for the link to my paypal account, hoping to reach 10k. (seems fairly realistic considering what she will be receiving)



Seriously though what the kids did were wrong, but I find the whole over reaction a bit ridiculous... This is what 50% of students likely went through, and nobody gave them money or criminally charged the bullies. Instead of giving some random lady that was bullied money so she can retire and society can go back to pretending it doesnt happen maybe people should be putting money towards programs that actually try to stop it from happening in the first place

+1 - Why are donations still pouring in? If anything profits should have ceased at a pre-definied number and any other profits be directed to a charity (with your approval first) dedicated to fighting bullying/victims/etc...

[Rehan]

+1 - Why are donations still pouring in? If anything profits should have ceased at a pre-definied number and any other profits be directed to a charity (with your approval first) dedicated to fighting bullying/victims/etc... I totally agree. Maybe $50k pity money for her is fine...but $500k?! Why do people think that money is the solution to all problems? Giving her an excess of money may result in even bigger problems. As she apparently said (http://forums.redflagdeals.com/elderly-school-bus-monitor-gets-bullied-1192732/8/#post14931211), she does it to fill time and because she loves kids. All she wants is to be transferred to a different bus (and some reasonable punishment for the kids), not to "retire" so she can stay home and play on Farmville all day....

[EmperorOfCanada]

I totally agree. Maybe $50k pity money for her is fine...but $500k?! Why do people think that money is the solution to all problems? Giving her an excess of money may result in even bigger problems. As she apparently said (http://forums.redflagdeals.com/elderly-school-bus-monitor-gets-bullied-1192732/8/#post14931211), she does it to fill time and because she loves kids. All she wants is to be transferred to a different bus (and some reasonable punishment for the kids), not to "retire" so she can stay home and play on Farmville all day....

Actually Rehan, I read that she did say she was probably going to retire.

[r1lee]

I totally agree. Maybe $50k pity money for her is fine...but $500k?! Why do people think that money is the solution to all problems? Giving her an excess of money may result in even bigger problems. As she apparently said (http://forums.redflagdeals.com/elderly-school-bus-monitor-gets-bullied-1192732/8/#post14931211), she does it to fill time and because she loves kids. All she wants is to be transferred to a different bus (and some reasonable punishment for the kids), not to "retire" so she can stay home and play on Farmville all day....


Actually Rehan, I read that she did say she was probably going to retire.

yeah that's what she's saying. I read somewhere yesterday that she was thinking about taking her family to Disney world. No offense, but WTF, people are sympathic but as sympathic as they are, you don't want them turning on you either.

I think she should keep X amount, but donate at least half of it to some bullying charity.

[LostInTruth]

I totally agree. Maybe $50k pity money for her is fine...but $500k?! Why do people think that money is the solution to all problems? Giving her an excess of money may result in even bigger problems. As she apparently said (http://forums.redflagdeals.com/elderly-school-bus-monitor-gets-bullied-1192732/8/#post14931211), she does it to fill time and because she loves kids. All she wants is to be transferred to a different bus (and some reasonable punishment for the kids), not to "retire" so she can stay home and play on Farmville all day....

Exactly. What the kids did was very shameful, but the result is no better. To all those who have said that young kids who get bullied should "toughen up;" well try living through that video every day of younger academic years. One good thing to come out of this is people now get a first-hand look at bullying, and hopefully, should look in the mirror and find ways to better themselves.

Btw, I saw the doc "Bully" and while it was good, it wasn't nearly as powerful as I thought it would be (which is understandable, has to work within boundaries).

[iEyeCaptain]

yeah that's what she's saying. I read somewhere yesterday that she was thinking about taking her family to Disney world. No offense, but WTF, people are sympathic but as sympathic as they are, you don't want them turning on you either.

I think she should keep X amount, but donate at least half of it to some bullying charity.

Southwest is donating flights. Walt Disney Co is donating tickets. I love it when companies step in to do good. Great for everybody involved.

We'll see what she does with the money once she receives it.

[EmperorOfCanada]

yeah that's what she's saying. I read somewhere yesterday that she was thinking about taking her family to Disney world. No offense, but WTF, people are sympathic but as sympathic as they are, you don't want them turning on you either.

I think she should keep X amount, but donate at least half of it to some bullying charity.

Sounds reasonable to me.

[Rehan]

Here's the AC 360 video interview, btw:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv0iLG6Z7UE

[Rehan]

One good thing to come out of this is people now get a first-hand look at bullying, and hopefully, should look in the mirror and find ways to better themselves. And parents can watch the video (a censored version of it) with their teen/pre-teen kids and discuss bullying and appropriate responses to that situation. Make it a learning opportunity.

[LostInTruth]

And parents can watch the video (a censored version of it) with their teen/pre-teen kids and discuss bullying and appropriate responses to that situation. Make it a learning opportunity.

I agree, but remove the censor, let them see it first hand.

[LostInTruth]

Southwest is donating flights. Walt Disney Co is donating tickets. I love it when companies step in to do good. Great for everybody involved.

We'll see what she does with the money once she receives it.

Ohh please South West, it's a PR stunt. Good intentions maybe, but PR stunt regardless, look at the large audience viewing this story.

[007craft]

I sent her a heartfilled message on facebook. I like to help people. Im not donating money. throwing money at people is not always the answer, even if the issue is about money.

[MrDisco]

I totally agree. Maybe $50k pity money for her is fine...but $500k?! Why do people think that money is the solution to all problems? Giving her an excess of money may result in even bigger problems. As she apparently said (http://forums.redflagdeals.com/elderly-school-bus-monitor-gets-bullied-1192732/8/#post14931211), she does it to fill time and because she loves kids. All she wants is to be transferred to a different bus (and some reasonable punishment for the kids), not to "retire" so she can stay home and play on Farmville all day....

The money is absolutely fine..I hope it gets to $1M. This isn't about a solution to the problem but about the world community doing their bit to turn an ugly situation into a positive one. It's also a form of catharsis for those making the donation.

If she wants to retire, or donate, or keep working the choice is up to her and I'ld be fine with any of it. To say that this may give her bigger problems is a bit condescending in my view. Why would you assume she would play "Farmville" all day as her only choice in life?

[manmanny]

I totally agree. Maybe $50k pity money for her is fine...but $500k?! Why do people think that money is the solution to all problems? Giving her an excess of money may result in even bigger problems. As she apparently said (http://forums.redflagdeals.com/elderly-school-bus-monitor-gets-bullied-1192732/8/#post14931211), she does it to fill time and because she loves kids. All she wants is to be transferred to a different bus (and some reasonable punishment for the kids), not to "retire" so she can stay home and play on Farmville all day....

somebody is jealous.

She did not ask for it. And people paid whatever they could like $5-$10. Nobody imagined it would be this high. Its not her fault or the man's who organized this.

[flashy_mcflash]

I hope she uses it for protein powder and supplements, gets super buff, and powerbombs each one of these little snots through a table.

[saint2e]

I hope she uses it for protein powder and supplements, gets super buff, and powerbombs each one of these little snots through a table.

This literally made me LOL. Well, this post and my over-active imagination.

[stuntman]

yeah that's what she's saying. I read somewhere yesterday that she was thinking about taking her family to Disney world. No offense, but WTF, people are sympathic but as sympathic as they are, you don't want them turning on you either.

I think she should keep X amount, but donate at least half of it to some bullying charity.

+1 set a good example for others by being charitable for a charitable win-fall

[stuntman]

There was that lady that faked her cancer and raised a ton of money a while back wasn't there?

Good observation....so yes, someone will try to make money off a faked scene like this.

The but cancer is so common now that it does not tug at the heart strings. Those fraudsters only raised 10K(?). This may be the new sympathy ploy.

[xlc_88]

Good observation....so yes, someone will try to make money off a faked scene like this.

The but cancer is so common now that it does not tug at the heart strings. Those fraudsters only raised 10K(?). This may be the new sympathy ploy.

??? Kids are involved you know. They are probably scared ****less. Parents are involved. Their academic record may be tarnished.

Adults bullying adults already happen in real life. Look at politicians.

[Tabooger]

Can I volunteer to get bullied for 500k? Man that's a lot of windfall money.

/joke.

[samkat]

I predict we will be seing the 68 year old Karen visiting Ellen in Los Angelos , California.

[charlotte1983]

Samkat - that is what we said here at home yesterday LOL

[BornToSave]

600K...Excellent!

[LostInTruth]

Still ridiculous! I hope she directs the money to a charitable cause and/or starts one in her own name). I feel like people are just donating money now because it's #trending. Once the store dies down, so will the money. I'm happy people are showing support for this woman, but I fear they don't fully grasp it. They probably see a fragile, old lady who should no longer be working (although she was volunteering I believe) and needs a vacation, rather than the ugly case of bullying.

[HTTP04]

Why is she not pressing any charges?

Sure, the parents are already involved and all but if I was her I would press full charges so those kids will get a serious lesson in life

[at1212b]

For those who are criticizing others for donating because it's "the cool thing to do", and corporations as well for "exploiting" it as a PR stunt, I ask this.. what is the value to be in that video, and for the world to see you being humiliated, tormented, in front of the whole world.

Sure, getting 600K is nice, and you can associate that painful experience with getting alot of money, but at the end of the day, she will forever be living with that video posted to the whole world (it will be up one way or another) and forever be reminded of the feelings she went through when she was sitting there being humiliated and threatened to death. I wouldn't be surprised if she went home that night and did not feel like carrying on another day. What is the price of that?

Plus, the avg. donation is something like $21 apparently. Also remember, health care in the U.S. is more expensive, including for seniors.

So instead of being little, jealous and critical of someone else's outcome and actions of the public, please accept it and move on.

[stuntman]

For those who are criticizing others for donating because it's "the cool thing to do", and corporations as well for "exploiting" it as a PR stunt, I ask this.. what is the value to be in that video, and for the world to see you being humiliated, tormented, in front of the whole world.

Sure, getting 600K is nice, and you can associate that painful experience with getting alot of money, but at the end of the day, she will forever be living with that video posted to the whole world (it will be up one way or another) and forever be reminded of the feelings she went through when she was sitting there being humiliated and threatened to death. I wouldn't be surprised if she went home that night and did not feel like carrying on another day. What is the price of that?

Plus, the avg. donation is something like $21 apparently. Also remember, health care in the U.S. is more expensive, including for seniors.

So instead of being little, jealous and critical of someone else's outcome and actions of the public, please accept it and move on.

She handled herself honestly and pretty well in the video. Imaging if uproar if she belted those little punks?
She has little to feel ashamed about in my opinion. I wouldn't mind being "humiliated" for 600K.

[dragon_drift]

600K...Excellent!

the taxman will be happy too >:(

[dealseeker2011]

Yeah! What's wrong with kids these days! I won't let my future kids to be like this.

[a-tree]

She handled herself honestly and pretty well in the video. Imaging if uproar if she belted those little punks?
She has little to feel ashamed about in my opinion. I wouldn't mind being "humiliated" for 600K.

Your self-dignity is only worth $600k?

[stuntman]

Your self-dignity is only worth $600k?

temp. banned and right back at the foolery eh? :lol::lol::lol:

You can't win. Yes, I would give up that amount of dignity for 600K.
You give up at least that amount of dignity on a regular basis and get paid nothing at least I would get paid. :lol::lol::lol:

[a-tree]

temp. banned and right back at the foolery eh? :lol::lol::lol:

You can't win. Yes, I would give up that amount of dignity for 600K.
You give up at least that amount of dignity on a regular basis and get paid nothing at least I would get paid. :lol::lol::lol:

Kinda sad that you would monetize your dignity for any amount. But it's your life, not mine.

[stuntman]

Kinda sad that you would monetize your dignity for any amount. But it's your life, not mine.

Like I said earlier in the thread (you may not have seen it because you got yourself banned :lol: ).
I don't think the lady lost little if any dignity. I would trade spots with her situation for the 500K+ ....it is not like she was yelling at the kids to go read a book or anything (zing! :lol:)

Your just jealous because you don't have any to sell. :lol::lol::lol:


you can't win. I have to go for a walk now....spin away my friend, spin away!

[a-tree]

Like I said earlier in the thread (you may not have seen it because you got yourself banned :lol: ).
I don't think the lady lost little if any dignity. I would trade spots with her situation for the 500K+ ....it is not like she was yelling at the kids to go read a book or anything (zing! :lol:)

Your just jealous because you don't have any to sell. :lol::lol::lol:


you can't win. I have to go for a walk now....spin away my friend, spin away!

She handled herself well. But my point is that you would put yourself in the position of being harassed in the first place for money, which is what throwing away your dignity is.

[stuntman]

She handled herself well. But my point is that you would put yourself in the position of being harassed in the first place for money, which is what throwing away your dignity is.

She still has dignity. People loose dignity and get it back it is not a forever state. It is not an all or nothing thing.
People can loose a little bit with no consequence aside from a little embarrassment.

Want to take a poll and see who would or would not go through that for 600K?

[a-tree]

She still has dignity. People loose dignity and get it back it is not a forever state. It is not an all or nothing thing.
People can loose a little bit with no consequence aside from a little embarrassment.

Want to take a poll and see who would or would not go through that for 600K?

There's no such thing as redeeming your dignity after you voluntarily choose to put yourself to be harassed by kids for a few bucks.

[stuntman]

There's no such thing as redeeming your dignity after you voluntarily choose to put yourself to be harassed by kids for a few bucks.

believe what you want, say what you want. You talk like someone with little world experience and very few people that have been around the block would agree with you on that. Maybe you have been around the block but your pride is weak and fragile.

I would do it for 600K.....that was your original premise you were railing against were you not??? (I mean aside from attempting to harass me).

[Syne]

I also disagree with a-tree.. on this and pretty much everything.

[LionHunter]

You can degrade me any way you want for $600k

[a-tree]

believe what you want, say what you want. You talk like someone with little world experience and very few people that have been around the block would agree with you on that. Maybe you have been around the block but your pride is weak and fragile.

I would do it for 600K.....that was your original premise you were railing against were you not??? (I mean aside from attempting to harass me).

Makes no difference whether a few or many people agree with me. Volunteering yourself to be in an undignifying situation is what it is, whether one or a million people agree to it, undignified.

[a-tree]

I also disagree with a-tree.. on this and pretty much everything.

Sorry to hear that.

[stuntman]

Makes no difference whether a few or many people agree with me. Volunteering yourself to be in an undignifying situation is what it is, whether one or a million people agree to it, undignified.

I hate to break it to you a-tree. I don't think that I am going too far out on a limb here but in the eyes of almost everyone here you are seen to have no to very little dignity.
Your sense of dignity is perverted.

[a-tree]

I hate to break it to you a-tree. I don't think that I am going too far out on a limb here but in the eyes of almost everyone here you are seen to have no to very little dignity.
Your sense of dignity is perverted.

People can make whatever judgment they wish to make about me. That's fine. But I would never put myself in a humiliating position for any amount of dollars and cents.

[uber_shnitz]

I think people who say they'd do it aren't understanding the context she went through.

You're approaching the situation with the retrospect KNOWING you'd get a 600k fund made for you. If there was no promise of such and you were just asked to be humiliated in public and filmed/put on youtube, would you then? Karen was unaware that she'd get that high an amount of donations for her ordeal.

Also, Karen wasn't just humiliated, she was hit in all her soft spots. How would you like if it your family had taken their lives then you had to sit through someone insulting their memory by telling you they did it to get away from you? Once again, this is ON TOP of the fact that in context, you do not know of any kind of money being gained for this.

It's easy in retrospect to say you'd do something KNOWING there's a positive outcome for you, but obviously that's just BS "looking back on it" talk.

[stuntman]

I think people who say they'd do it aren't understanding the context she went through.

You're approaching the situation with the retrospect KNOWING you'd get a 600k fund made for you. If there was no promise of such and you were just asked to be humiliated in public and filmed/put on youtube, would you then? Karen was unaware that she'd get that high an amount of donations for her ordeal.

Also, Karen wasn't just humiliated, she was hit in all her soft spots. How would you like if it your family had taken their lives then you had to sit through someone insulting their memory by telling you they did it to get away from you? Once again, this is ON TOP of the fact that in context, you do not know of any kind of money being gained for this.

It's easy in retrospect to say you'd do something KNOWING there's a positive outcome for you, but obviously that's just BS "looking back on it" talk.

I think we do understand the context but we are not approaching it that way.
People said they would to it for 600K+. Nothing less. But I hope when I am old and weak I am not afraid like she was, the day may come though when I am.

I may put up with it though if I or my wife or kid are hungry or in pain. People do all sorts of things to avoid hunger, pain or other things being experienced by the ones they love.

[a-tree]

I think we do understand the context but we are not approaching it that way.
People said they would to it for 600K+. Nothing less. But I hope when I am old and weak I am not afraid like she was, the day may come though when I am.

I may put up with it though if I or my wife or kid are hungry. People do all sorts of things to avoid hunger.

By saying you would take the $600k for some humiliation, you're actually disrespecting this woman more so than the kids did.

[uber_shnitz]

I think we do understand the context but we are not approaching it that way.
People said they would to it for 600K+. Nothing less. But I hope when I am old and weak I am not afraid like she was, the day may come though when I am.

I may put up with it though if I or my wife or kid are hungry. People do all sorts of things to avoid hunger.

Well IMO saying something in retrospect and approaching it with knowledge of the future is kind of a pointless statement, especially if it's not something directly related to your life. I mean, saying that you'd do something differently in your life looking back at it and commenting on someone else's life or some other events totally unconnected to you without being able to understand.

[stuntman]

By saying you would take the $600k for some humiliation, you're actually disrespecting this woman more so than the kids did.

Says you. Your sense of the world is perverted so it does not matter to me.
BTW: I said I don't think she lost much if any dignity....remember that? You probably do but chose to disregard that fact. I was sticking up for her while others including you were saying she lost dignity. :lol: Yeah, I am the one disrespecting her:rolleyes:

[a-tree]

Says you. Your sense of the world is perverted so it does not matter to me.
BTW: I said I don't think she lost much if any dignity....remember that? You probably do but chose to disregard that fact. I was sticking up for her while others including you were saying she lost dignity. :lol: Yeah, I am the one disrespecting her:rolleyes:

You're basically saying it's ok to humiliate, harass, and demoralize someone, because they can be bought. But I'm pretty sure this woman doesn't see it that way.

By the way I never said she lost her dignity. I said that she was in a humiliating position but that she handled herself well. Try not to put words in my mouth.

[stuntman]

Well IMO saying something in retrospect and approaching it with knowledge of the future is kind of a pointless statement, especially if it's not something directly related to your life. I mean, saying that you'd do something differently in your life looking back at it and commenting on someone else's life or some other events totally unconnected to you without being able to understand.

Nobody seriously believes they are about to get 600K (knowing about the payment ahead of time) for putting up with that, it is just jabbering (OK maybe a washed up famous actor would). Someone just trolled on one of my statements and it went from there.

So far it has worked out good for the lady and a lot of people would like to have her fortune and she should feel good about it.
Some boneheads are saying it is not worth 600K even in hindsight....well I guess they have millions in the bank then or just plain lack sense.

[stuntman]

She handled herself honestly and pretty well in the video. Imaging if uproar if she belted those little punks?
She has little to feel ashamed about in my opinion. I wouldn't mind being "humiliated" for 600K.

Your self-dignity is only worth $600k?


You're basically saying it's ok to humiliate, harass, and demoralize someone, because they can be bought. But I'm pretty sure this woman doesn't see it that way.

By the way I never said she lost her dignity. I said that she was in a humiliating position but that she handled herself well. Try not to put words in my mouth.

WRONG AGAIN A-TREE!!!! :lol: <--(I should just start all my responses to you this way......it will save time if I make it an automatic process)

See...that is me saying "'humiliated' for 600K" and then you saying "your dignity is only worth 600K?" in direct response. You directly implied that she lost dignity. That is how the English language works. Didn't you go to school as a kid?

You have no idea what you said...you have a brain to keyboard disconnect. BTW: I don't see where you said she handled herself well. I do see where I said she handled herself well.

enough of your version of the Jerry Springer show. Changing channels now.
You lose, you lie, you troll. Ta ta.

[uber_shnitz]

Nobody seriously believes they are about to get 600K (knowing about the payment ahead of time) for putting up with that, it is just jabbering (OK maybe a washed up famous actor would). Someone just trolled on one of my statements and it went from there.

So far it has worked out good for the lady and a lot of people would like to have her fortune and she should feel good about it.
Some boneheads are saying it is not worth 600K even in hindsight....well I guess they have millions in the bank then or just plain lack sense.
I agree that it's worked out well for her but for example, I don't think I have the knowledge or authority to say whether she received too much like I've seen some people say. I don't believe I know enough about her or her situation or even human feelings to be able to stick a price tag on either of those.

[a-tree]

WRONG AGAIN A-TREE!!!! :lol: <--(I should just start all my responses to you this way......it will save time if I make it an automatic process)

See...that is me saying "'humiliated' for 600K" and then you saying "your dignity is only worth 600K?" in direct response. You directly implied that she lost dignity. That is how the English language works. Didn't you go to school as a kid?

You have no idea what you said...you have a brain to keyboard disconnect. BTW: I don't see where you said she handled herself well. I do see where I said she handled herself well.

enough of your version of the Jerry Springer show. Changing channels now.
You lose, you lie, you troll. Ta ta.

Let me clarify things because you're very literal minded. I said that she handled herself very well, despite being in a very humiliating situation. When I say your dignity is only worth $600k, it's referring to you saying that "I wouldn't mind being humiliated for money", which is an undignified thing. Go through the posts carefully. You'll see the one where I say she handled herself well.