Miami Zombie on Marijuana not Bath Salts as Reported

[Simaahoy]

Tests in cannibalism case: Zombie-like attacker used pot, not 'bath salts'

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/27/us/florida-cannibal-attack/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

The authorities are reporting that the guy was on Marijuana instead of Bath Salts.What do you think? I hardly believe that he had only Marijuana in his system.:-0

[kamilio]

No drug will make you eat someone's face off. When will the government admit the second coming of zombies.

I have already stacked up on guns, ammo, food, and I bought a place in the middle of nowhere 2 hours outside of yellow knife. You suckers will be eaten by the zombies soon enough. Keep on living this lie.

[coriolis]

That's one serious case of the munchies....

[XxXSnake23XxX]

I call BS. There have been other accounts on individuals doing crazy things on bath salts.

[Jimboski]

I call BS. There have been other accounts on individuals doing crazy things on bath salts.

Yeah.. I don't think It was weed. Doesn't make you THAT hungry!

[Anonymouse]

No drug will make you eat someone's face off.

Modern strains of marijuana will cause psychosis in some people. The chemicals that cause it are a side effect of the breeding for high THC. It is not like the harmless pot your parents smoked.

[uber_shnitz]

So it can't be Weed but it absolutely must be Bath Salts? I see no reason why we can't just entertain both possibilities until further evidence of all similar cases has been put forth.

[Jimboski]

Modern strains of marijuana will cause psychosis in some people. The chemicals that cause it are a side effect of the breeding for high THC. It is not like the harmless pot your parents smoked.

That kush Is hella strong!

[S14_Raven]

Modern strains of marijuana will cause psychosis in some people. The chemicals that cause it are a side effect of the breeding for high THC. It is not like the harmless pot your parents smoked.

But it's still weed, that's been smoked since the 60's, when's the last time your read about having the munchies THAT bad?

Marijuana does not give anyone 'super' strength, and even with the high levels of THC, it won't give psychosis needed to chew someone's face off :facepalm:

[Anonymouse]

But it's still weed, that's been smoked since the 60's, when's the last time your read about having the munchies THAT bad?

The modern stuff has over twice the concentration of THC.


Marijuana does not give anyone 'super' strength, and even with the high levels of THC, it won't give psychosis needed to chew someone's face off :facepalm:

Like I said, and you can easily confirm it if you know how to use Google, marijuana can trigger psychosis in about 3% of the population. People suffering from psychosis will do all kinds of things, including acts of cannibalism like the guy on the Greyhound bus a little while back.

[Jimboski]

The modern stuff has over twice the concentration of THC.


Like I said, and you can easily confirm it if you know how to use Google, marijuana can trigger psychosis in about 3% of the population. People suffering from psychosis will do all kinds of things, including acts of cannibalism like the guy on the Greyhound bus a little while back.

The one that beheaded the guy? He was high?

[Anonymouse]

The one that beheaded the guy? He was high?

He wasn't high, I don't think. But he was suffering from a psychotic break because of his schizophrenia.

[Jimboski]

He wasn't high, I don't think. But he was suffering from a psychotic break because of his schizophrenia.

Oh I see.

[ishfish]

He wasn't high, I don't think. But he was suffering from a psychotic break because of his schizophrenia.

Although rare, psychosis can be caused by mj. So he very well may have only been using marijuana.

[kamilio]

Crazy person + drugs = insane person

Normal person + drugs = fun person

Case closed!

[007craft]

Can we please not blame Marijuana. Its simply a mind altering substance, like many others out there (alcohol, etc etc). This guy was obviously psychotic. He takes a mind altering substance and goes crazy. I take a mind altering substance and become lost in thought, thinking of ways I can save the world and help people in distress. Its different for everybody. The key is not to outlaw it, its to ensure the people who are mentally unstable receive help to treat their problems.


Crazy person + drugs = insane person

Normal person + drugs = fun person

Case closed!

This.

[BornRuff]

I call BS. There have been other accounts on individuals doing crazy things on bath salts.

And there have been accounts of people doing crazy things while not on bath salts.

I found it strange that they would make a comment like that without any real evidence other than the fact that he was doing a really crazy thing, though I imagine that the comment was not meant to gain this much attention.

It is kind of unfortunate, since it seems like this mass publicity of this drug has increased interest in some people in trying the stuff.

[masterhapposai]

Modern strains of marijuana will cause psychosis in some people. The chemicals that cause it are a side effect of the breeding for high THC. It is not like the harmless pot your parents smoked.

false.

High amounts of THC makes you woozy, weaker. If he was on a false form of weed, it would be K2, not weed. That is likely the case.

[masterhapposai]

And there have been accounts of people doing crazy things while not on bath salts.

I found it strange that they would make a comment like that without any real evidence other than the fact that he was doing a really crazy thing, though I imagine that the comment was not meant to gain this much attention.

It is kind of unfortunate, since it seems like this mass publicity of this drug has increased interest in some people in trying the stuff.

This stuff can be just as bad as bath salts:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_cannabis

again, this crap only exists because its so illegal to have the real stuff, which is harmless

The reason why its so dangerous is because it doesnt have this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidiol

That, which exists in normal weed, is an ANTI-psychotic.

[Syne]

OK, this is stupid.

They probably did a hair test and found traces of MJ, which could have been up to 30 days old. To put this in perspective, you could randomly select 10 people off the street at any given day and half will have smoked a bit of pot in the last 30 days.

This proves nothing.

[olssy]

The guy was obviously having a psychotic breakdown, probably due to schizophrenia, the pot probably didn't help much as the schizophrenic's I know react really badly to pot.

As for the bath salts, there ability to turn people into super strong zombies is an invention of the media(surprise!). Here's an article explaining the situation with a cool excerpt from a doctor who tried the salts:
http://suburra.com/blog/2012/06/08/doctor-tried-bath-salts/

Anyone up for a group buy on bath salts ;)

[brian.gerson]

false.

High amounts of THC makes you woozy, weaker.

If you read his post more carefully, it is not the THC, it is the other chemicals that are bred into the modern strains as a side effect of increasing the THC.

[flashy_mcflash]

Modern strains of marijuana will cause psychosis in some people. The chemicals that cause it are a side effect of the breeding for high THC. It is not like the harmless pot your parents smoked.

I saw that special too and it can cause psychosis in people that are already inclined towards psychosis. Many over the counter drugs and alcohol will do the same thing to these people.

[gizmo8]

I attack Doritos when I have a spiff......

[tjayl]

OK, this is stupid.

They probably did a hair test and found traces of MJ, which could have been up to 30 days old. To put this in perspective, you could randomly select 10 people off the street at any given day and half will have smoked a bit of pot in the last 30 days.

This proves nothing.

What is the source for your stats?

[iEyeCaptain]

And this is why we need to make marijuana illegal and send people who use it to prison.

Because marijuana causes horrible things like this to happen.

When will the supporters stop denying that marijuana is unsafe and a harm to society.

*flamesuit on*

[Kingmoo]

No drug will make you eat someone's face off. When will the government admit the second coming of zombies.

I have already stacked up on guns, ammo, food, and I bought a place in the middle of nowhere 2 hours outside of yellow knife. You suckers will be eaten by the zombies soon enough. Keep on living this lie.

when exactly was the first coming of zombies?

[whampoa]

No drug will make you eat someone's face off. When will the government admit the second coming of zombies.

I have already stacked up on guns, ammo, food, and I bought a place in the middle of nowhere 2 hours outside of yellow knife. You suckers will be eaten by the zombies soon enough. Keep on living this lie.

+1, but I will stock up on these special bullets first.

http://www.gunsandammo.com/files/2011/10/316319_10150349685928369_80176223368_8118710_19398 86866_n.jpg

[feidailo]

this is complete BS! wake up, weed dont do that to people. this is just a BS report from CNN (LIARS) to add fuel to the fire against cannabis reform. its to make the "war on drugs" seem more legit, now they can justify spending billions and locking people up for a blunt. its all about the money, and yes, this is ANOTHER conspiracy.

[at1212b]

this is complete BS! wake up, weed dont do that to people. this is just a BS report from CNN (LIARS) to add fuel to the fire against cannabis reform. its to make the "war on drugs" seem more legit, now they can justify spending billions and locking people up for a blunt. its all about the money, and yes, this is ANOTHER conspiracy.

huh? Can you elaborate. Make it much longer please and more detailed please. This is important for everyone to know.

[Flyer]

this is complete BS! wake up, weed dont do that to people. this is just a BS report from CNN (LIARS) to add fuel to the fire against cannabis reform. its to make the "war on drugs" seem more legit, now they can justify spending billions and locking people up for a blunt. its all about the money, and yes, this is ANOTHER conspiracy.
this is complete BS! wake up, weed do that to people. this is just a BS retort from hippies (LIARS) to add fuel to the fire against cannabis law. its to make the "war on drugs" seem less legit, now they can justify spending billions and supporting criminals for a blunt. its all about the drugs, and yes, this is ANOTHER conspiracy.

Anyways, there are two types of people here. Those with a zombie plan, and those without. Those of you suckers without a zombie plan, we refer to you as "zombie chow". Remember, if a zombie plan is good enough for the CDC, it's good enough for you...

[Ottomaddox]

Considering the quasi-legal status of 'bath salts', I'd expect the establishment to blame bath salts in order to help gain support for widespread legal restrictions.. not to blame cannabis.

[ChoW_MeiN]

And this is why we need to make marijuana illegal and send people who use it to prison.

Because marijuana causes horrible things like this to happen.

When will the supporters stop denying that marijuana is unsafe and a harm to society.

*flamesuit on*

Flamesuit on, dumbass suit off apparently...

You know what makes horrible things like this happen? People with a predisposition towards mental illness or a prior history of violence to name a few examples.

The stigma which has been created by the government, in spite of reports by medical professionals and other world leaders imploring our government to regulate and legalize marijuana, has seemed to create a sub-society of people with misinformed and misguided opinions like this poster. Alcohol is a FAR more dangerous substance and yet it remains legal, which I have no problem with.

For example, there are reasons why there is a blood alcohol over .08 law and not a THC level over .08 law in effect while operating a motor vehicle. Yes, you can be charged with impaired driving if an officer deems that you are under the influence of marijuana while driving, but you can be charged with the same offence operating a vehicle under over the counter pharmaceutical medications as well.

I recall reading another article on this matter that stated the attacker smoked pot regularly, so I find it hard to believe that in this one instance, he went off the rails and decided to attack someone under the influence of marijuana.

BTW, I do NOT smoke marijuana and I am indifferent to the legalization of marijuana, but please make sure you are fully informed and objective before making ignorant comments.

[Muney]

The ONLY way that he did this while high on weed is if the weed was laced with PCP (or bath salts? Can you lace weed with them? No clue) PCP has been known to make people do weird as hell stuff like this or eat parts of them selfs. Weed, not so much.

[uber_shnitz]

I agree with ottomaddox. If this was a political/conspiracy thing, it'd be a smarter move for the government or the media or whoever to target Bath Salts rather than Weed since the former are more "in" and have no specific legislation for them yet.

[ishfish]

Significant amounts of pot also will facilitate paranoia in some users.:lol::lol: Or is that just a conspiracy too.:lol:

Or is it a conspiracy by pot advocates to cover up that marij use by some people will cause them to experience psychosis?

[flashy_mcflash]

Significant amounts of pot also will facilitate paranoia in some users.:lol::lol: Or is that just a conspiracy too.:lol:

Or is it a conspiracy by pot advocates to cover up that marij use by some people will cause them to experience psychosis?

As explained earlier - the kind of person that would experience psychosis from weed is likely to experience it from just about any intoxicant.

[flashy_mcflash]

That is not known. And possibly not true.

Out of the thousands and thousands of people that have used pot in their lives and the hundreds of people that smoke on a regular basis, how many have developed psychosis?

[uber_shnitz]

I don't get why pro-weed people are jumping all over the place. The article is simply retelling what the police said: there are traces of marijuana in the suspect's system. Nowhere in the article is it claiming weed will rbing the 2nd zombie apocalypse. I'm actually pleasantly surprised at the mildness of judgemental bias in the article. It's not saying "oh mee gawd, weed made the guy chew the toher guy's face off!" it's just stating the police found no Bath Salts in the suspect's system (unlike previously thought) but found marijuana.

[ishfish]

As explained earlier - the kind of person that would experience psychosis from weed is likely to experience it from just about any intoxicant.

We can assume that there may be some truth to it, but as there is not possibility of an experiment I would not state that as a fact. Only an hypothesis. Different intoxicants impact different areas of the brain.


So in regards to schizophrenia or bipolar psychosis - would the first psychotic episode have happened if pot had never been smoked? We do not know.

[mysticalinfluence]

Marijuana is awesome legalize it. It doesn't hurt anyone it's no worse then booze. Excessive Marijuana use isn't the reason Tommy Chong has prostate cancer at all. <Note sarcasm>

[ishfish]

Out of the thousands and thousands of people that have used pot in their lives and the hundreds of people that smoke on a regular basis, how many have developed psychosis?

Good question. I would have to research it. But as pot is smoked privately (usually) I am going to venture a guess that I would have trouble finding stats on this.

I would think it safe to say that it is a very small percentage.

[flashy_mcflash]

Excessive Marijuana use isn't the reason Tommy Chong has prostate cancer at all. <Note sarcasm>

LOL you are high right now if you believe that smoking weed causes prostate cancer.

[brian.gerson]

From a peer-reviewed meta-study from a couple of years ago:

Encephale. 2009 Sep;35(4):377-85. Epub 2008 Jul 9.
[Cannabis and psychosis: search of a causal link through a critical and systematic review].
Le Bec PY, Fatséas M, Denis C, Lavie E, Auriacombe M.


...data show the existence of a significant association between cannabis use and psychotic disorders (with an increased risk between 1.2 and 2.8 in Zammit et al.'s study), particularly among vulnerable individuals (that is with a prepsychotic state at the time of inclusion). Therefore, all the studies that assessed a dose-effect relationship showed this link between cannabis use and the emergence of psychosis or psychotic symptoms. The fact that all causal criteria were present in the studies suggests that cannabis use may be an independent risk factor for the development of psychosis. Results seem to be more consistent for vulnerable individuals with the hypothesis that cannabis use may precipitate psychosis, notably among vulnerable subjects. In particular, early onset of cannabis use during adolescence should be an environmental stressor that interacts with a genetic predisposition to induce a psychotic disorder.

Contrary to what the stoners would have you believe, this stuff is not harmless anymore.

[flashy_mcflash]

From a peer-reviewed meta-study from a couple of years ago:

Encephale. 2009 Sep;35(4):377-85. Epub 2008 Jul 9.
[Cannabis and psychosis: search of a causal link through a critical and systematic review].
Le Bec PY, Fatséas M, Denis C, Lavie E, Auriacombe M.



Contrary to what the stoners would have you believe, this stuff is not harmless anymore.



Results seem to be more consistent for vulnerable individuals with the hypothesis that cannabis use may precipitate psychosis, notably among vulnerable subjects.

So what we can learn is that if you're a psycho, don't smoke weed (or drink, or take painkillers) or you'll go psycho. Thanks for clearing that up.

[ishfish]

From a peer-reviewed meta-study from a couple of years ago:

Encephale. 2009 Sep;35(4):377-85. Epub 2008 Jul 9.
[Cannabis and psychosis: search of a causal link through a critical and systematic review].
Le Bec PY, Fatséas M, Denis C, Lavie E, Auriacombe M.



Contrary to what the stoners would have you believe, this stuff is not harmless anymore.

Thanks. And mj accounts for 10% of psychosis.
There are numerous reputable studies on mj causing psychosis. Just because it does not happen in everyone, or even most, does not mean this information should be shelved.

I would wonder how sig pot use impacts brain development given that full development is not until the early 20s.

[ji2o0k]

mj gives you the serious case of munchies...

**face-licking good!**

[WontonTiger]

Modern strains of marijuana will cause psychosis in some people. The chemicals that cause it are a side effect of the breeding for high THC. It is not like the harmless pot your parents smoked.

Have any proof to back that up? Are you saying that modern doses of THC can cause instant momentary psychosis?

I think this is a case of totally unrelated Marijuana, and totally unrelated face-eater.

[DrXenon]

Have any proof to back that up? Are you saying that modern doses of THC can cause instant momentary psychosis?


1. He did not say that the THC caused it. He specifically said that it is the ancillary chemicals that were amplified in the THC-enhancing breeding.
2. There are tens to hundreds of papers on PubMed that show the link between modern MJ and psychosis, one of which was cited in this thread. Adversus solem ne loquitor, stonerus.

[masterhapposai]

So what we can learn is that if you're a psycho, don't smoke weed (or drink, or take painkillers) or you'll go psycho. Thanks for clearing that up.

also try to avoid any agitation, or anger, or heat exhaustion, or sleep deprivation


I know of a number of bipolar people who smoke weed and have no problem. I had a few coworkers who were mild schizo and did fine on weed, even able to avoid anti-depressants.

I think the argument is the same as video games creating serial killers If the people were destined to be crazy, they will be crazy regardless.

That being said, I linked to how synthetic weed will cause an episode, and this can happen even in healthy normal people. Which means that tainted or modified strains of weed could do the same.