Steve Nash Hypocrisy

[nineiron]

so Nash passes on the ONLY Canadian team in the league and chooses to go to LA to try to win a ring and no one bashes Nash.

Lebron takes LESS money to go to Miami to try to win a ring and everyone hates Lebron.

hmmmm

[jdso]

so Nash passes on the ONLY Canadian team in the league and chooses to go to LA to try to win a ring and no one bashes Nash.

Lebron takes LESS money to go to Miami to try to win a ring and everyone hates Lebron.

hmmmm

Nash never dragged the process out while stroking his ego with his own ESPN special. Also: not one, not two, not three, not four.... ridiculous. Lebron made it too easy to dislike him.

[Wilmega]

i think i missed Nash's TV special that aired last night. I also forgot Nash played for Raptors like James played to Cavs.

There's no comparison - I'm not a Lebron hater, I was rooting for Miami since he signed there. I would of left Cleveland too. But there's absolutely no comparison.

[knapper]

Nash took less money to go to a competitor that was close to his ex-wife and kid as far as I know (Bruce Arthur's POV (http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/07/04/steve-nash-owes-raptors-nothing/)).

[kennyhohoho]

Nash never dragged the process out while stroking his ego with his own ESPN special. Also: not one, not two, not three, not four.... ridiculous. Lebron made it too easy to dislike him.

Nobody forced you to watch that ESPN special.

Also, that was a rally for the home fans. What were they supposed to say? "We'll try our hardest guys!" :lol:

Personally, I have zero beef with anything players do while they're free agents. The only players who deserve any kind of ridicule are ones who d!ck their teams around while still under contract, a la Dwight Howard.

[ji2o0k]

A lot of people bashed BronBron for the way he went about his selection of his team...."The Decision" was in poor taste though the proceeds it generated went to a good cause.

Nash also wanted to make sure the Suns got something of value in return....he signs with Toronto, the Suns get nothing....

At the end of the day, both of them were free agents and can choose wherever they want to go....teams don't "own" them

But if the player tries to help out their former team and the former team helps out the FA, alls well that ends well and they both part amicably....

[apachekeith]

so Nash passes on the ONLY Canadian team in the league and chooses to go to LA to try to win a ring and no one bashes Nash.

Lebron takes LESS money to go to Miami to try to win a ring and everyone hates Lebron.

hmmmm

He's only got a few years left & he can go anywhere he wants as a free agent. He doesn't owe Toronto, or Canada for that matter, anything. He's from Vancouver so why would anyone expect him to go to Toronto? Last time I checked Toronto was a long way & 3 time zones away from Vancouver.

BTW I don't buy into the hatred for Lebron either. I'm an Oiler fan(hardcore)& don't hate Chris Pronger either. Fans take this s**t way too seriously.

[7jai]

did we really need another thread like this? we already have two NBA threads in where you could blog your displeasures in :lol:

[sherman51]

Steve Nash never strung the Raptors along like Bosh or Lebron did.
He became a free agent, he was made a big offer by the Raptors and he took less money to try to win a championship and to be closer to his kids.
He has already made a gajillion $$$ in his career, he chose a better situation for himself. Kudos to him for that.
Besides he is from Vancouver and everyone on the west coast hates Toronto so he would be looked on even worse if he signed with the Raptors.

[nineiron]

everyone keeps referencing the "tv announcement" that Lebron made... you know why Nash didn't do the same thing? because NO ONE WOULD WATCH. i believe the proceeds went to charity.

[nineiron]

Steve Nash never strung the Raptors along like Bosh or Lebron did.
He became a free agent, he was made a big offer by the Raptors and he took less money to try to win a championship and to be closer to his kids.
He has already made a gajillion $$$ in his career, he chose a better situation for himself. Kudos to him for that.
Besides he is from Vancouver and everyone on the west coast hates Toronto so he would be looked on even worse if he signed with the Raptors.

do u really believe this?

[nineiron]

He's only got a few years left & he can go anywhere he wants as a free agent. He doesn't owe Toronto, or Canada for that matter, anything. He's from Vancouver so why would anyone expect him to go to Toronto? Last time I checked Toronto was a long way & 3 time zones away from Vancouver.

BTW I don't buy into the hatred for Lebron either. I'm an Oiler fan(hardcore)& don't hate Chris Pronger either. Fans take this s**t way too seriously.

and Lebron didn't "owe" Cleveland anything either. he took that piece of s*** team to the finals.

yes i realize Vancouver and Toronto aren't that close. how many Canadian teams are there in the NBA?

[nineiron]

Nash took less money to go to a competitor that was close to his ex-wife and kid as far as I know (Bruce Arthur's POV (http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/07/04/steve-nash-owes-raptors-nothing/)).

i think it was more to get a ring.

[sherman51]

do u really believe this?

I truly believe that he went to win a championship and be close to his family.
I do believe that people in Vancouver hate Toronto

[Madchester]

everyone keeps referencing the "tv announcement" that Lebron made... you know why Nash didn't do the same thing? because NO ONE WOULD WATCH. i believe the proceeds went to charity.

Eh?

Nash was hosting his annual "Showdown in Chinatown" footy charity match in NYC last week.

Nash doesn't need an excuse of a televion event to make a charitable donation.

[thelefteyeguy]

I truly believe that he went to win a championship and be close to his family.
I do believe that people in Vancouver hate Toronto

it applies the other way too ;)

same with the states...east coast vs. West Coast.

[knapper]

i think it was more to get a ring.

I disagree, but even if I didn't I would in know way hold that against - it's his earned right.

[nineiron]

so to sum up:

- Lebron went to a better team for LESS money to get a ring
- Nash went to a better team for LESS money to get a ring

- Lebron still plays for an AMERICAN team
- Nash chose not to play for a CANADIAN team

- Lebron should never be forgiven for that espn announcement of his trade (even though it probably wasn't his idea and the proceeds went to charity)
- Nash only admits to wanting to be "close to his family" while Lebron was truthful and said he wanted a ring.

some ppl don't even know why they hate..

[gilboman]

I didn't see Nash do a tour of each city he could sign with, meet with them all, then have a whole TV special about it. He also didn't leave his former team with nothing.

This reminds me what a big douche LBJ is.

[gilboman]

so to sum up:

- Lebron went to a better team for LESS money to get a ring
- Nash went to a better team for LESS money to get a ring

- Lebron still plays for an AMERICAN team
- Nash chose not to play for a CANADIAN team

- Lebron should never be forgiven for that espn announcement of his trade (even though it probably wasn't his idea and the proceeds went to charity)
- Nash only admits to wanting to be "close to his family" while Lebron was truthful and said he wanted a ring.

some ppl don't even know why they hate..

1. Some people (just you) have no clue. Did I miss the part about Lebron's kids/family living in Miami???
2. What is this, the olympics?
3. Yes it wasn't LBJ's idea, it wasnt even his idea to play basketball or do anything?... LBJ wasn't truthful, if he was, he would've admitted that he couldn't do it on his own and needed Wade to show him how it's done. He also would've announced what a big douche he is to the world on his show.

[Abel4Life]

so to sum up:

- Lebron went to a better team for LESS money to get a ring
- Nash went to a better team for LESS money to get a ring

- Lebron still plays for an AMERICAN team
- Nash chose not to play for a CANADIAN team

- Lebron should never be forgiven for that espn announcement of his trade (even though it probably wasn't his idea and the proceeds went to charity)
- Nash only admits to wanting to be "close to his family" while Lebron was truthful and said he wanted a ring.

some ppl don't even know why they hate..

To sum it up:

1. Nash wanted to be closer to his kids
2. He took a paycut
3. He allowed his team to get picks in return (this is a big plus).

I also can't see how others can even conside Nash selfish.


I didn't see Nash do a tour of each city he could sign with, meet with them all, then have a whole TV special about it. He also didn't leave his former team with nothing.

This reminds me what a big douche LBJ is.

A king is a *****. But then again they are KINGS.

[nineiron]

1. Some people (just you) have no clue. Did I miss the part about Lebron's kids/family living in Miami???
2. What is this, the olympics?
3. Yes it wasn't LBJ's idea, it wasnt even his idea to play basketball or do anything?... LBJ wasn't truthful, if he was, he would've admitted that he couldn't do it on his own and needed Wade to show him how it's done. He also would've announced what a big douche he is to the world on his show.

^^ hate at it's finest.

how many other players could have took that Cleveland team to the finals?

[nineiron]

To sum it up:

1. Nash wanted to be closer to his kids
2. He took a paycut
3. He allowed his team to get picks in return (this is a big plus).


1. i'm sure Sacramento or Golden State would have been happy to pick up Nash
2. so did Lebron
3. what do you mean "he allowed"? did u even read the details? Phoenix didn't want to even do it at first till Nash started crying about it.

[Madchester]

Nash has a public Facebook page right?

Just air your grievances for him (and everyone else) to see there.

Done.

[nineiron]

Nash has a public Facebook page right?

Just air your grievances for him (and everyone else) to see there.

Done.

what are you, his agent?

if this thread causes you displeasure don't read it.

[DJ_Peanuts22]

http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusnhlexperts/KNASHAJS.jpg

CP24 FAIL.

[stealth]

so Nash passes on the ONLY Canadian team in the league and chooses to go to LA to try to win a ring and no one bashes Nash.

Lebron takes LESS money to go to Miami to try to win a ring and everyone hates Lebron.

hmmmm

Nash never bailed on Toronto/Canada....he just chose not to sign with them, and for very good reasons.
Its different.
Vince carter was more analagous to lebron than this is...
This is more like Gretzky never signing with the Leafs.

[Wilmega]

I was reading comments on the Star about Nash signing with the Lakers. Some people calling Nash more American and a traitor etc etc. Seriously some ppl need to layoff and get a life.

[Madchester]

what are you, his agent?

if this thread causes you displeasure don't read it.

If you have a beef with Nash - take it up with him directly. He's made himself publically available to hear your comments on his Facebook page.

Complaining on RFD won't get you anywhere.

[nineiron]

If you have a beef with Nash - take it up with him directly. He's made himself publically available to hear your comments on his Facebook page.

Complaining on RFD won't get you anywhere.

isn't this a discussion forum?

[nineiron]

I was reading comments on the Star about Nash signing with the Lakers. Some people calling Nash more American and a traitor etc etc. Seriously some ppl need to layoff and get a life.

good to see that he's getting some criticism. i hope he never wins a ring with LA.

[nineiron]

Nash never bailed on Toronto/Canada....he just chose not to sign with them, and for very good reasons.
Its different.
Vince carter was more analagous to lebron than this is...
This is more like Gretzky never signing with the Leafs.

Lebron (just like Nash) was a FREE AGENT. how did he 'bail' on Cleveland? he took those bums to multiple conference semis and an nba finals. he did everything he could for that team. just like Nash did everything he could for Phoenix.

Nash 'bailed' on Phoenix twice now. and he 'passed up' a chance to play for the only Canadian team in the league.

[Madchester]

good to see that he's getting some criticism. i hope he never wins a ring with LA.

You realize there are people complaining about Nash's decision on his Facebook page?

If you really want his attention - complain straight to the man.

[kennyhohoho]

You realize there are people complaining about Nash's decision on his Facebook page?

If you really want his attention - complain straight to the man.

I don't think he really cares. It seems like he's just pointing out that people aren't hating on Nash the same way people hated on Lebron, even though both players did essentially the same thing (minus the TV special). And I see his point.

As a fan of Nash, it was in his best interest to leave Phoenix and sign with a contender. I didn't want him to sign with Toronto and waste his final years in a rebuilding phase, so I'm glad that didn't happen.

That being said, I don't want to see Kobe get his sixth ring either. :lol: I hope Nash leaves after this one year experiment fails and he wins his ring somewhere else before retiring.

[jdso]

Why does it matter that he didn't choose to go to a Canadian team? I don't see many hockey players getting villified for not choosing to play in Toronto or Ottawa,etc. I don't see how he's a traitor. He's GM of Team Canada already. Yes, he decided to go to a winner instead of trying to win it all himself and since LeBron took criticism for it, Nash should as well. Players winding down their careers wanting to be traded to contenders is nothing new. Not sure why Toronto fans are so hurt and why they think Canadians must enlist and play for the only Canadian team in the NBA.

The biggest difference is the way they handled it. One being low key making a quick decision. One making it a media circus (not all his fault) to stroke his ego. Even if it wasn't his idea to do the special he should have enough clout to quash it but he didn't. It was apparent that he enjoyed the attention and thought he deserved it.

Either way it's apparent that nineiron is just mad that people aren't hating Nash as much as LeBron or is just hurt that Nash never chose Toronto to play on a rebuilding team nearing the end of his career.

[Kujo]

Your comparing apples to oranges. What Lebron did was way worse. "The Decision" was a joke. There's nothing wrong with what Nash has done, though it looks really bad to Phoenix fans because their history with the Lakers.

[blzn]

Yeah taking advantage of your fame to have a television event in order for you to communicate your decision, what team you'll be playing for next season. Then donating all those proceeds to charity.. appalling.

Not to mention this was done after fulfilling a contract and taking a team further than they ever should of gone.

Oh wait also took a pay cut in order to play alongside 2 close friends who all entered the NBA at the same time.

Such an douche :facepalm:

[PCDawg]

I didn't see Nash do a tour of each city he could sign with, meet with them all, then have a whole TV special about it. He also didn't leave his former team with nothing.

This reminds me what a big douche LBJ is.

He couldnt have went to the lakers on his own. In order for Nash to goto the Lakers, the Suns would need to do a sign and trade. So Nash had to do some persauding as they didnt want to initially do it.

Nash has every right to pick the team he wants to goto and with LA its close to his kids and gives him an opportunity to win as he probably knows he only has a few years left in his gas tank.
The Raptors only offered big money, but their core of players will not bring them far even if they make it to the playoffs/

[jdso]

Was he too good for a standard press conference? Why the need for a special? Great players before him never required such moments. There's no doubt that the donation to charity was a good gesture. (Although the cynic in me believes that his donation was also ego stroking). Personally, I can't fault him for trying to win and commend him for taking less to get a better team. Winning should pretty much be the top priority.

[Tornado F2]

Nash took less money to go to a competitor that was close to his ex-wife and kid as far as I know (Bruce Arthur's POV (http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/07/04/steve-nash-owes-raptors-nothing/)).

This, plus he grew up on the west coast. Maybe if Vancouver's NBA team had survived he could possibly have ended up there. I don't think he has any serious connections to Toronto.

At least he's still a Canadian citizen, not US - unlike many other famous Canucks who have moved south.

Treat him nice, or his next move might be to the UK - to own a football team.

[gilboman]

^^ hate at it's finest.

how many other players could have took that Cleveland team to the finals?

what does that have to do with being a douche? what LBJ did in cleaveland was nothing special at all.

Let me know when LBJ can win on his own or take equivalent of Kwame Brown, Luke Walton, Smush Parker as your starters to the playoffs.

[rems]

what does that have to do with being a douche? what LBJ did in cleaveland was nothing special at all.

Let me know when LBJ can win on his own or take equivalent of Kwame Brown, Luke Walton, Smush Parker as your starters to the playoffs.

That Cleveland team he took to the Finals was pretty close...

[gilboman]

That Cleveland team he took to the Finals was pretty close...

It had like 2 other or near all stars on it as the starters... I don't think Smush Parker or Kwame Brown or Luke Walton qualifies...

[thelefteyeguy]

comes down to whether you are a Raptors fan or a Nash fan.

If you are a Raptors fan, youre pissed. You are allowed to vent. Go ahead, only ppl that think they are just will say you're not allowed. I don't know why ppl are trying to stop the venting.

If you are a Nash fan...doesnt matter where he goes. If you noticed these ppl's location, most of them are from the west coast. Ppl in the west coast really don't care about the Raptors.

Raptors maybe the only Canadian team...but in most part it's only ppl in Ontario that support the team.

[rems]

It had like 2 other or near all stars on it as the starters... I don't think Smush Parker or Kwame Brown or Luke Walton qualifies...

Z with his bad foot?
Although Sideshow Bob is good.

What about the year after then?
Sasha Pavlovic, Daniel Gibson, Devin Brown...those guys started...

[nineiron]

You realize there are people complaining about Nash's decision on his Facebook page?

If you really want his attention - complain straight to the man.


I don't think he really cares. It seems like he's just pointing out that people aren't hating on Nash the same way people hated on Lebron, even though both players did essentially the same thing (minus the TV special). And I see his point.

As a fan of Nash, it was in his best interest to leave Phoenix and sign with a contender. I didn't want him to sign with Toronto and waste his final years in a rebuilding phase, so I'm glad that didn't happen.

That being said, I don't want to see Kobe get his sixth ring either. :lol: I hope Nash leaves after this one year experiment fails and he wins his ring somewhere else before retiring.

thank you for seeing my point. seems like most other ppl on this forum have reading problems hahaha.

[nineiron]

Yeah taking advantage of your fame to have a television event in order for you to communicate your decision, what team you'll be playing for next season. Then donating all those proceeds to charity.. appalling.

Not to mention this was done after fulfilling a contract and taking a team further than they ever should of gone.

Oh wait also took a pay cut in order to play alongside 2 close friends who all entered the NBA at the same time.

Such an douche :facepalm:

seriously.

ppl hate him cuz he went on espn to announce where he was going? who the f cares? seems like ppl hold on to this like he committed a crime. Kobe (likely) raped a girl.

[veejam]

Come on, lets be real. I don't think anyone else could have taken the 2007 Cavaliers roster to the Finals.

[rems]

Come on, lets be real. I don't think anyone else could have taken the 2007 Cavaliers roster to the Finals.

MJ - except he would have won :-P

edit: typo or improper grammar depending on how you look at it. either he would have won or would have owned hehe

[nineiron]

what does that have to do with being a douche? what LBJ did in cleaveland was nothing special at all.

Let me know when LBJ can win on his own or take equivalent of Kwame Brown, Luke Walton, Smush Parker as your starters to the playoffs.

the bolded part reveals that you're a hater.

the only other player that's done this much with this little is Iverson.

[nineiron]

Come on, lets be real. I don't think anyone else could have taken the 2007 Cavaliers roster to the Finals.


MJ - except he would have own :-P

maybe MJ could have, maybe he couldn't. but if MJ is the only other person that could have done it, you know it's something special.

[rems]

the bolded part reveals that you're a hater.

the only other player that's done this much with this little is Iverson.

Well to be fair Kobe did it in the tougher West.
Remember all the Leastern conference jokes?

[nineiron]

That Cleveland team he took to the Finals was pretty close...


It had like 2 other or near all stars on it as the starters... I don't think Smush Parker or Kwame Brown or Luke Walton qualifies...

who are these "near all stars" that Lebron played with in Cleveland?

[veejam]

seriously.

ppl hate him cuz he went on espn to announce where he was going? who the f cares? seems like ppl hold on to this like he committed a crime. Kobe (likely) raped a girl.

+1. The same people that hate on Lebron and call him a douche for the "Decision" are the same people that praise Jordan who is a well known jerk and Kobe who always throws his teammates under a bus and cheats on his wife (sure the majority of them do but Kobe did rat out Shaq at that time).

[veejam]

Well to be fair Kobe did it in the tougher West.
Remember all the Leastern conference jokes?

The only time Kobe won is when he had Shaq at his prime, Phil Jackson and Gasol. Look at the years in between when he had nothing, the Lakers couldn't even make it past the first round.

[Madchester]

thank you for seeing my point. seems like most other ppl on this forum have reading problems hahaha.

+1 Thanks

[Abel4Life]

isn't this a discussion forum?

Ok so your going to bash someone with multiple job offers just because they had to choose one and turn down the others?

They are 'selfish' for having the ability to choose?

Give me a break.

[nineiron]

Well to be fair Kobe did it in the tougher West.
Remember all the Leastern conference jokes?

notable players that Kobe has played with:

- Shaq
- Gasol
- Fisher
- Odom
- Bynum
- Kwame Brown (#1 pick overall in draft)
- Karl Malone
- Gary Peyton
- Glen Rice
- Elden Campbell
- Eddie Jones

notable players Lebron played with in Cleveland:

- Delonte West
- Mo Williams
- Ilgauskas
- Drew Gooden
- Ben Wallace
- Szczerbiak
- Joe Smith
- Antawn Jameson


you be the judge.

[nineiron]

Ok so your going to bash someone with multiple job offers just because they had to choose one and turn down the others?

They are 'selfish' for having the ability to choose?

Give me a break.

did u even read the thread?

this is about the REACTION of the MEDIA and FANS, not about someone being 'selfish'.

[Madchester]

Keep posting - I'll "Like" all your posts.

[rems]

notable players that Kobe has played with:

- Shaq
- Gasol
- Fisher
- Odom
- Bynum
- Kwame Brown (#1 pick overall in draft)
- Karl Malone
- Gary Peyton
- Glen Rice
- Elden Campbell
- Eddie Jones

notable players Lebron played with in Cleveland:

- Delonte West
- Mo Williams
- Ilgauskas
- Drew Gooden
- Ben Wallace
- Szczerbiak
- Joe Smith
- Antawn Jameson


you be the judge.

LBJ also played with Shaq :-P
Unless you're only including players in their prime in which case you'd have to remove at least malone and payton.
and kwame is notable not for his talents ... I guess that shows your bias :-P

[kennyhohoho]

Well to be fair Kobe did it in the tougher West.
Remember all the Leastern conference jokes?

Kobe didn't do anything without the help of Shaq in his prime, and Gasol and Bynum for his second run.

The years without Shaq/Gasol/Bynum were pretty terrible.

[kennyhohoho]

LBJ also played with Shaq :-P
Unless you're only including players in their prime in which case you'd have to remove at least malone and payton.
and kwame is notable not for his talents ... I guess that shows your bias :-P

To be fair, the Shaq in Cleveland was on his last legs and wasn't fit enough to be a starter on any NBA team, let alone one that was supposed to be contending for a title. Shaq only played 11 games for the Cavs.

The Payton in LA, while far from being in his prime, still had some game left (he started 82 games), which is evident from his role in the first Heat title.

I agree with taking Malone off that list though. Dude only played 21 games for the Lakers.

[VCR]

comes down to whether you are a Raptors fan or a Nash fan.

If you are a Raptors fan, youre pissed. You are allowed to vent. Go ahead, only ppl that think they are just will say you're not allowed. I don't know why ppl are trying to stop the venting.

If you are a Nash fan...doesnt matter where he goes. If you noticed these ppl's location, most of them are from the west coast. Ppl in the west coast really don't care about the Raptors.

Raptors maybe the only Canadian team...but in most part it's only ppl in Ontario that support the team.

Great move by Nash for family and basketball reasons. I think your post sums things up pretty well. I would say tha that people in B.C. were PHX fans because of him and will now be Laker fans. The Raptors don't have national appeal at least not here on the west coast.

[nineiron]

please...

when Gretzky moved to an American team, ppl in Toronto cared.

if Nash played in Toronto, more Canadians would watch the Raptors and, possibly, even more Americans.

but AGAIN, this has nothing to do with his decision to go to LA. this thread is about the HYPOCRISY of the MEDIA and FANS on this matter compared to the Lebron move to Miami.

[phomp]

Lebron left a small market, who he gave an impresson to that he may resign. If he had the idea in his head to chase a ring - why not make that clear so the Cavs could get something for him. The whole TV special with Bosh going to Miami as well left a sour taste in peoples mouth. I dont see any fault in picking to go to Miami, I think it was the way that it was handled that caused the Lebron hate. Some people probably would hate on him just for his choice but it unfair to do so imo.

Nash on the other hand did a sign and trade and made it possible for phx to get something for him. He picked where he wanted to go and potentially win. He did not put Toronto in a bad position as he never played for them. There is no way to hate on Nash for not choosing to go to Toronto, a team which does not give him much chance to win at the tail end of his career. Some Canadians are going to hate on Nash for not coming to Toronto and I think that is unfair as well. Nash did not leave Toronto in a bad place, hell he did not even leave Phx in a bad spot as they at least got something in return.


Am I really talking in a basketball thread... wtf.. boring time of year I guess.

[VCR]

Lebron left a small market, who he gave an impresson to that he may resign. If he had the idea in his head to chase a ring - why not make that clear so the Cavs could get something for him. The whole TV special with Bosh going to Miami as well left a sour taste in peoples mouth. I dont see any fault in picking to go to Miami, I think it was the way that it was handled that caused the Lebron hate. Some people probably would hate on him just for his choice but it unfair to do so imo.

Nash on the other hand did a sign and trade and made it possible for phx to get something for him. He picked where he wanted to go and potentially win. He did not put Toronto in a bad position as he never played for them. There is no way to hate on Nash for not choosing to go to Toronto, a team which does not give him much chance to win at the tail end of his career. Some Canadians are going to hate on Nash for not coming to Toronto and I think that is unfair as well. Nash did not leave Toronto in a bad place, hell he did not even leave Phx in a bad spot as they at least got something in return.


Am I really talking in a basketball thread... wtf.. boring time of year I guess.

Good post.

[nineiron]

Lebron left a small market, who he gave an impresson to that he may resign. If he had the idea in his head to chase a ring - why not make that clear so the Cavs could get something for him. The whole TV special with Bosh going to Miami as well left a sour taste in peoples mouth. I dont see any fault in picking to go to Miami, I think it was the way that it was handled that caused the Lebron hate. Some people probably would hate on him just for his choice but it unfair to do so imo.

Nash on the other hand did a sign and trade and made it possible for phx to get something for him. He picked where he wanted to go and potentially win. He did not put Toronto in a bad position as he never played for them. There is no way to hate on Nash for not choosing to go to Toronto, a team which does not give him much chance to win at the tail end of his career. Some Canadians are going to hate on Nash for not coming to Toronto and I think that is unfair as well. Nash did not leave Toronto in a bad place, hell he did not even leave Phx in a bad spot as they at least got something in return.


Am I really talking in a basketball thread... wtf.. boring time of year I guess.

how do you know Lebron had already made up his mind at the time he "gave an impression that he may resign"? you say "if he had the idea in his head to chase a ring".. what if that idea was somewhat last minute?

i'll admit the tv special was kind of lame but do you really think it was his idea?

the "sign and trade" deal that you refer to almost didn't happen because Phoenix was against it. maybe Nash whined and threatened until they gave in? we don't know the details. maybe he left Phoenix no choice but to accept that deal?

no one said that Nash "left Toronto in a bad place".

AGAIN, this thread is about the reaction of the media and fans. Lebron gets bashed all over the place for chasing a ring and leaving HIS team but Nash leaves HIS team to chase a ring and no one has anything bad to say.

[thelefteyeguy]

please...

when Gretzky moved to an American team, ppl in Toronto cared.

if Nash played in Toronto, more Canadians would watch the Raptors and, possibly, even more Americans.

but AGAIN, this has nothing to do with his decision to go to LA. this thread is about the HYPOCRISY of the MEDIA and FANS on this matter compared to the Lebron move to Miami.

Hockey is a national sport in Canada...basketball...oh please.

Gretz represented himself on the national level during numerous Canada Cups (before he was traded)

Nash...whatever... he represented Canada once in Olympic play? (please confirm)...

[rems]

Hockey is a national sport in Canada...basketball...oh please.

Yup when I used to have cable, I mainly watched sports. Watching highlights in the morning, the NBA would be lucky to get 3 minutes in a half hour show. Golf got more coverage!

[thelefteyeguy]

OF If you want to stick with Fans that were pissed off with Lebron.

There were 2 groups

1. City of Cleveland. Peeps got shafted. He's an Ohio native, blah blah blah...they have a right to be pissed.
2. Basketball fans disgusted with the "decision" crap on ESPN and the whole sensationalizing of the event.


Phoenix came out with a lot of picks in return compared to Nash just signing with a team. The only group that is pissed off with Nash is Toronto. Partly because he's Canadian...but I think in most part in a free market society we are programmed to think that money dictates the decision. IN this case, Raptors fans are disappointed that he didnt come even with the highest bid. The ones that are angry...not sure 100% why...it's not like Nash ever hinted that Toronto would be his 1st choice or anything. Knowing Nash, and his competitiveness through out this career, he hated to be in bad teams....and that reason he hasnt been on Team Canada for a decade. He's rejected Canada numerous times. It's no surprise.

In regards to the media...they can show disappointed Raptors fans...but at ESPN...would they even come to Toronto to interview Raptors fans lol.

[RSX333]

how do you know Lebron had already made up his mind at the time he "gave an impression that he may resign"? you say "if he had the idea in his head to chase a ring".. what if that idea was somewhat last minute?

i'll admit the tv special was kind of lame but do you really think it was his idea?

the "sign and trade" deal that you refer to almost didn't happen because Phoenix was against it. maybe Nash whined and threatened until they gave in? we don't know the details. maybe he left Phoenix no choice but to accept that deal?

no one said that Nash "left Toronto in a bad place".

AGAIN, this thread is about the reaction of the media and fans. Lebron gets bashed all over the place for chasing a ring and leaving HIS team but Nash leaves HIS team to chase a ring and no one has anything bad to say.


LOL...you give Lebron benefit of the doubt on all your arguments, yet Nash might of "whined and threatened" Phoenix to trade him to the Lakers.

[RSX333]

Lebron left a small market, who he gave an impresson to that he may resign. If he had the idea in his head to chase a ring - why not make that clear so the Cavs could get something for him. The whole TV special with Bosh going to Miami as well left a sour taste in peoples mouth. I dont see any fault in picking to go to Miami, I think it was the way that it was handled that caused the Lebron hate. Some people probably would hate on him just for his choice but it unfair to do so imo.

Nash on the other hand did a sign and trade and made it possible for phx to get something for him. He picked where he wanted to go and potentially win. He did not put Toronto in a bad position as he never played for them. There is no way to hate on Nash for not choosing to go to Toronto, a team which does not give him much chance to win at the tail end of his career. Some Canadians are going to hate on Nash for not coming to Toronto and I think that is unfair as well. Nash did not leave Toronto in a bad place, hell he did not even leave Phx in a bad spot as they at least got something in return.


Am I really talking in a basketball thread... wtf.. boring time of year I guess.

Right on the money.

[crimsona]

I say it's because Steve is old and this is likely his last chance to get a ring. Don't like LA much but I hope he does get one before he retires

[shaolinmonk]

how do you know Lebron had already made up his mind at the time he "gave an impression that he may resign"? you say "if he had the idea in his head to chase a ring".. what if that idea was somewhat last minute?

i'll admit the tv special was kind of lame but do you really think it was his idea?

the "sign and trade" deal that you refer to almost didn't happen because Phoenix was against it. maybe Nash whined and threatened until they gave in? we don't know the details. maybe he left Phoenix no choice but to accept that deal?

no one said that Nash "left Toronto in a bad place".

AGAIN, this thread is about the reaction of the media and fans. Lebron gets bashed all over the place for chasing a ring and leaving HIS team but Nash leaves HIS team to chase a ring and no one has anything bad to say.

Lebron admitted that Bosh and Wade talked about playing together
Whether or not "the decision" was his idea, he ultimately ok'd at. Lebron may have received bad advice from his PR team but that essentially is an extension of him in the eyes of the public

it's more of a double standard then hypocrisy.. when you come into the league as a KING, the next MJ etc..etc.. you're expected not to switch teams

Old dudes at the end of the careers generally get a pass to chase rings... the BEST PLAYER OF THIS GENERATION in his prime does not

If Nash just left Phoenix would get nothing, this ultimately is a win-win situation for both sides (despite the trading to a "rival")

Toronto fans that boo Nash are silly.. it would have just been a circus team spinning it's wheels for 2 years while being mediocre.

[thelefteyeguy]

the centre of the universe is well again ...Nash is the past.

Raptors' initiated plan B....successful.

[Canada_7]

notable players that Kobe has played with:

- Shaq
- Gasol
- Fisher
- Odom
- Bynum
- Kwame Brown (#1 pick overall in draft)- Karl Malone
- Gary Peyton
- Glen Rice
- Elden Campbell
- Eddie Jones

notable players Lebron played with in Cleveland:

- Delonte West
- Mo Williams
- Ilgauskas
- Drew Gooden
- Ben Wallace
- Szczerbiak
- Joe Smith
- Antawn Jameson


you be the judge.

LMAO WTF at Kwame Brown being included in this list. Apparently, being a 1st overall pick "entitles" you to be named a "good" player.

As others have said, Nash leaving Phoenix has been on relatively good terms. He tried to get the team he was leaving value. "The Decision" IMHO was unnecessary. Sure it was nice that proceeds went to a charity but there's other ways of doing it. People don't like it that he had to make this huge show and draw all the attention on himself to decide what team he was going to. The rally they had in Miami along with Wade and Bosh put others over the top because they were acting like they had already won something. Not sure if the huge rally with the fans was his idea but that IMHO was also unneeded. His own comment during that rally on winning 8 championships or so also drew the ire of others because as I said, he hadn't won anything yet so he shouldn't be mentioning winning MULTIPLE championships.

I'm not a fan of his but it does seem that LeBron has humbled a bit this year and his championship. He let his play do its own talking and pulled through. I still remember in the last game of the finals when he told his own teammate(s) to chill and don't celebrate and just play the game regularly, even though it was a blowout; no need to try and embarass the Thunder. I'll give him kudos for that.

[shannn]

LMAO WTF at Kwame Brown being included in this list. Apparently, being a 1st overall pick "entitles" you to be named a "good" player.


Yo, you seem to forget that Kwame taught Andrew Bynum everything he knows :razz:

[x-factor]

LeBron James has done and said things that make some fans dislike him. LBJ comes off as being a lot more self-centered off the court.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjXQCT47EAc

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2010/08/lebron-james-talks-about-the-decision-his-hate-for-cleveland-as-a-child-and-a-possible-return-to-the.html



Nash not signing with the Raptors would be similar to Gretzky, Lemieux, or even Crosby never signing with a Canadian NHL team when they became free agents. Wayne Gretzky, Mario Lemieux, etc still live primarily in the US and some 'Canadian purists' are still bitter about that. During Gretzky's Ranger's retirement speech there was a Canadian news reporter berating Gretzky, asking where he is going to live now and why he still wants to reside in America. It's their decision to make, and mostly it was a family decision that made the most sense for them in both cases.


I'm not a big Kobe fan but the Lakers have only missed the playoffs ONCE (2004-2005) since Kobe Bryant's career began. In that year they went 37-45 in a vastly more competitive Western Conference.



"The Decision" IMHO was unnecessary. Sure it was nice that proceeds went to a charity but there's other ways of doing it. People don't like it that he had to make this huge show and draw all the attention on himself to decide what team he was going to. The rally they had in Miami along with Wade and Bosh put others over the top because they were acting like they had already won something. Not sure if the huge rally with the fans was his idea but that IMHO was also unneeded. His own comment during that rally on winning 8 championships or so also drew the ire of others because as I said, he hadn't won anything yet so he shouldn't be mentioning winning MULTIPLE championships.

I'm not a fan of his but it does seem that LeBron has humbled a bit this year and his championship. He let his play do its own talking and pulled through. I still remember in the last game of the finals when he told his own teammate(s) to chill and don't celebrate and just play the game regularly, even though it was a blowout; no need to try and embarass the Thunder. I'll give him kudos for that.

^ Exactly this.

[glover78]

so Nash passes on the ONLY Canadian team in the league and chooses to go to LA to try to win a ring and no one bashes Nash.

Lebron takes LESS money to go to Miami to try to win a ring and everyone hates Lebron.

hmmmm

This would normally be upsetting but you gotta realize the only Canadian team is the raptors. No non-rookie in the right frame of mind would go to the raptors lol

[TheRealVinsanity]

Biggest difference is that Steve Nash is not LeBron James.

[sexyj]

As a suns fan, this is the best offseason in recent years.

Sure it sucks that Nash is going to LA, but this is the best scenario for Phoenix. Got 4 picks in return.

I don't get how anybody could think Nash owes anything to the Raptors or think he's lebron like. Nash is a classy guy, unlike lebron. Remember how he made fun of Dirk last year ?

Nash is on a whole different level when it comes to professionalism. He never once complained and whine like Howard. He's a leader and not a follower. That's why the Heat is still Wade's team and not lebron's

[glover78]

and Lebron didn't "owe" Cleveland anything either. he took that piece of s*** team to the finals.


+1

And that piece of S*** team and Gilbert showed no gratitude for all that LeBron did for them.

[GP Legend]

And why exactly does the OP think Nash should have signed with the Raptors? Just because they are the only Canadian team in the NBA doesn't mean everyone outside Toronto/Ontario cares for them.

[thelefteyeguy]

And why exactly does the OP think Nash should have signed with the Raptors? Just because they are the only Canadian team in the NBA doesn't mean everyone outside Toronto/Ontario cares for them.

lol, how's the weather in BC?

[gman]

Why would Nash want to go to Toronto? Is Raptors a winning team? Nash did not even play NBA final once. It is reasonable for him trying to seek a ring before his retirement.

[The Templar Knight]

Nash is 38 years old which is like a Dinosaur in the NBA, this isn't baseball.

The only reason Colangelo wanted to sign Nash was to deflect attention from the ABYSMAL job he has done over the years managing this team.

We have two AMERICANS named Brian, that need to leave Toronto STAT and he's one of them.

As for "Steve Nash Hypocrisy", I'm sure his ex-wife would have a few comments. LOL

[kennyhohoho]

Nash is on a whole different level when it comes to professionalism. He never once complained and whine like Howard. He's a leader and not a follower. That's why the Heat is still Wade's team and not lebron's

Umm.. When Nash arrives in LA, you will be damn sure that the Lakers are still Kobe's team. Kobe is not giving up that role until the day he retires, and maybe not even then, lol.

Also, Wade himself has conceded that the Heat is Lebron's team. Regular season MVP, finals MVP, most minutes per game, played every position on the floor. Not sure what else you want from a so called "leader" of a team.

[DaVibe]

I just think Nash, much like most of the NBA, is sick of the so-called "Big 3" in Miami and he's going to try to shut that down with Kobe and the rest of the Lakers.
Better chances in LA then there are in Toronto!

[dragon_drift]

Meh, I'm not even mad. At 37, he should be chasing that ring.

[blzn]

That's why the Heat is still Wade's team and not lebron's

Lol what? :facepalm:

[shaolinmonk]

Umm.. When Nash arrives in LA, you will be damn sure that the Lakers are still Kobe's team. Kobe is not giving up that role until the day he retires, and maybe not even then, lol.

Also, Wade himself has conceded that the Heat is Lebron's team. Regular season MVP, finals MVP, most minutes per game, played every position on the floor. Not sure what else you want from a so called "leader" of a team.

lol this isn't Wade's team anymore.. he'd too busy flopping on the ground like a fish outta water...Lebron was on another level this year... heck they should just trade Wade

[4flava]

lol this isn't Wade's team anymore.. he'd too busy flopping on the ground like a fish outta water...Lebron was on another level this year... heck they should just trade Wade

Trade Wade for Howard! hahahaha... WOw that would be epic.:twisted:

[bobcat99]

Meh, I'm not even mad. At 37, he should be chasing that ring.

True. But right at the get go he should have said that. He used the Raptors to get a better deal.

[4flava]

True. But right at the get go he should have said that. He used the Raptors to get a better deal.

How? He turned down 36 mill for 24.

[nineiron]

Meh, I'm not even mad. At 37, he should be chasing that ring.


True. But right at the get go he should have said that. He used the Raptors to get a better deal.

that's a good point. throughout this trade Nash kept saying it's to "be closer with his family". he didn't say anything about chasing a ring, even though we all know that's why he's going to the Lakers.

at least Lebron was honest and said he was leaving to win a championship.

[shaolinmonk]

that's a good point. throughout this trade Nash kept saying it's to "be closer with his family". he didn't say anything about chasing a ring, even though we all know that's why he's going to the Lakers.

at least Lebron was honest and said he was leaving to win a championship.

not sure why you insist on implying Nash is lying to everyone..

he said his priority is to be close to his kids..

NY
Toronto
LA

which one is closest?

does it also give him the best chance for a ring sure but this LA team isn't even the favourite, they've got a long way to go still

[4flava]

not sure why you insist on implying Nash is lying to everyone..

he said his priority is to be close to his kids..

NY
Toronto
LA

which one is closest?

does it also give him the best chance for a ring sure but this LA team isn't even the favourite, they've got a long way to go still

+1 Isn't that just a given? Don't we all play to win???

[knapper]

+1 Isn't that just a given? Don't we all play to win???

From Moneyball:


You get on base, we win. You don't, we lose. And I *hate* losing, Chavy. I *hate* it. I hate losing more than I even wanna win.

[nineiron]

not sure why you insist on implying Nash is lying to everyone..

he said his priority is to be close to his kids..

NY
Toronto
LA

which one is closest?

does it also give him the best chance for a ring sure but this LA team isn't even the favourite, they've got a long way to go still

i didn't say he lied. i said he didn't tell the whole truth. he told us his #2 priority when we all know his #1 priority was to give him the best chance at getting a ring.

i know LA isn't the favorite, Miami is. but Miami ain't lookin to sign Nash. neither is OKC. neither are the Spurs.

he chose the team that gave him the BEST shot at getting a ring. simple as that.

funny how you accuse me of implying Nash is a liar, when i bet you (among others) still condemn Lebron for that tv announcement. how do you know how that whole thing went down? do you know if he was persuaded or asked by the nba to do it? the money went to charity, so maybe Lebron was asked to do this to help support charities?

you just assume that Lebron wants all this attention and you're quick to hate on him.

[nineiron]

+1 Isn't that just a given? Don't we all play to win???

apparently not Nash. he just wants to be "close to his kids".

[apachekeith]

apparently not Nash. he just wants to be "close to his kids".

Get off it OP. He doesn't owe you or anyone else an explaination.

You should change the name of this thread to Fans Hypocricy Towards Nash. There's no hypocricy from Nash's end.

[4flava]

apparently not Nash. he just wants to be "close to his kids".

So he's gonna be close to his kids, plus he's gonna win and to top it off he's gonna get paid.. Sorry whatchu trying to say again:?

[shaolinmonk]

i didn't say he lied. i said he didn't tell the whole truth. he told us his #2 priority when we all know his #1 priority was to give him the best chance at getting a ring.

i know LA isn't the favorite, Miami is. but Miami ain't lookin to sign Nash. neither is OKC. neither are the Spurs.

he chose the team that gave him the BEST shot at getting a ring. simple as that.

funny how you accuse me of implying Nash is a liar, when i bet you (among others) still condemn Lebron for that tv announcement. how do you know how that whole thing went down? do you know if he was persuaded or asked by the nba to do it? the money went to charity, so maybe Lebron was asked to do this to help support charities?

you just assume that Lebron wants all this attention and you're quick to hate on him.

and the suns didn't offer him a deal either so he worked with management and got traded to the lakers.. don't see a problem with that..

truth or not it doesn't matter..

if lebron just came out and said.. yo i want to party with my boys, become a billionaire and win championships people wouldn't have cared... instead they did all this hoopla and overhyping that just rubbed people the wrong way...

all i know is what lebron said.. and he said "the decision" was a bad decision lol
lebron put his foot in his mouth and most of us decided it was fun to make him eat his shoe too...
i had high expectations for the self -proclaimed king.. (i wanted to see the next michael jordan etc..etc..)
i think most people wanted lebron to prove the haters wrong.. i was one.. i didn't wanna say i told you so when he choked... i wanted to see him dominate and crush the competition..if you gonna talk the talk you need to walk the walk

he came across as an arrogrant punk that took the easy way out and he got slapped around by everyone for it..

but this year he's changed.. he was a lot more focused and played the game to win and he's earned his crown now.

[bobcat99]

How? He turned down 36 mill for 24.

Maybe he wasn't going to get a 3 year deal until the Raptors offered it or maybe he wasn't going to get the number of offers.
Brodeur got a 2 year deal partly because of the Leafs.

[4flava]

Maybe he wasn't going to get a 3 year deal until the Raptors offered it or maybe he wasn't going to get the number of offers.
Brodeur got a 2 year deal partly because of the Leafs.

Too many "maybes" dude. You can maybe the hell out of everything.

Fact is Nash was gonna get paid regardless and there were so many other teams willing to pay more than 25 mill for his services. Please lets stick to ball. :twisted:

[4flava]

Too many trolls in this thread including the OP. I'm done with this thread. LOL

[vietnutz]

Good for Nash!

Good for Lebron!

Now everyone can forget this thread and wake up tomorrow and have the same life that they had before they woke up today. They have the same personal problems they had today. (Seriously..no sarcasm)

[got_it_4_cheap]

lol @ OP

nash has a shot at winning the nba championship with lakers

with raps? nope

[snider]

I respect Nash more for going for a title than settling for easy money and comfort. This shows his competitive nature, he will be under a lot more pressure playing for L.A. instead of playing a role in helping Toronto rebuild. Nash has already done enough for Canadian basketball having played for our national team many times and is STILL doing a lot for them being the GM of the National team. What more do you expect from him?

The Raptors won't be a contender anyways for the next few years why should he waste his time here? They just picked up Kyle Lowry who is in his prime so they'll be alright. Besides, Nash going to the Lakers is no guarantee for a title even less so than Lebron teaming up with Wade and Bosh. I'm happy for him that he'll get a chance to contend for a championship there.

[valinrace]

http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusnhlexperts/KNASHAJS.jpg

CP24 FAIL.

still cant get over with cp24 making that mistake.

[thrifthunter]

**** Lebron, can't stand that guy or his fanboys.

Now go have a cry fanboys.

[501]

Nash went to be close to his family and compete for a ring...he owes Toronto nothing!

[thelefteyeguy]

Nash went to be close to his family and compete for a ring...he owes Toronto nothing!

in fact he owes Canada nothing too ;)

[sexyj]

So you guys think if the heat will let Wade go instead of Lebron if they have to choose ?

:facepalm::facepalm:

The heat is still very much Wade's team


Umm.. When Nash arrives in LA, you will be damn sure that the Lakers are still Kobe's team. Kobe is not giving up that role until the day he retires, and maybe not even then, lol.

Also, Wade himself has conceded that the Heat is Lebron's team. Regular season MVP, finals MVP, most minutes per game, played every position on the floor. Not sure what else you want from a so called "leader" of a team.


Lol what? :facepalm:


lol this isn't Wade's team anymore.. he'd too busy flopping on the ground like a fish outta water...Lebron was on another level this year... heck they should just trade Wade

[shaolinmonk]

So you guys think if the heat will let Wade go instead of Lebron if they have to choose ?

:facepalm::facepalm:

The heat is still very much Wade's team

lol if you had to choose between lebron and wade you would choose wade? what world are you living in?

[KINGJAMES WITNESS 23]

So you guys think if the heat will let Wade go instead of Lebron if they have to choose ?

:facepalm::facepalm:

The heat is still very much Wade's team

Yeah, They'll let go of LeBron because trading a 3 Time NBA MVP who is 27 Years Old makes MUCH more sense than trading a 30 Year Old Dwyane Wade who is declining in performance each year. F**K LOGIC! :facepalm:

Some people posting here probably don't even watch the game and just feed off of what ESPN, or the media tells them. It's pretty damn easy to spot by the way they post.

[krash322]

OP is a troll. Nash did the right thing for all parties involved. He gave the Suns some assets, and he gave himself a chance to win and be close to his kids.

[Prehistory]

Kobe, Nash, Gasol and HOWARD, that would be interesting!

[RSX333]

i didn't say he lied. i said he didn't tell the whole truth. he told us his #2 priority when we all know his #1 priority was to give him the best chance at getting a ring.

i know LA isn't the favorite, Miami is. but Miami ain't lookin to sign Nash. neither is OKC. neither are the Spurs.

he chose the team that gave him the BEST shot at getting a ring. simple as that.

funny how you accuse me of implying Nash is a liar, when i bet you (among others) still condemn Lebron for that tv announcement. how do you know how that whole thing went down? do you know if he was persuaded or asked by the nba to do it? the money went to charity, so maybe Lebron was asked to do this to help support charities?

you just assume that Lebron wants all this attention and you're quick to hate on him.

Nash said that it was important to be close to his kids. He also stated/admitted that it is a great basketball situation for him playing on a contending team. How is he not telling the whole truth???

And yes, Lebron likes all this attention! He is the first player in ANY sport to have an hour TV show just to announce where he was going. If that's not attention grabbing, then what is it??

Oh ya, I'm still waiting for Nash to have a rally @ the Staples Center and count how many championships he is gonna win with Kobe.

Please, don't assume Lebron is innocent of everything that he did, from the TV show to the prep rally. He had a choice!!

[DealyMcCheapskate]

Meh, for a marketing and fan standpoint, it would of been great for Toronto to get Nash. As a team standpoint, he wanted somewhere around 36 mil over 3 years, we get Lowry instead for around 12 mil over 2 years, who's coming off a monster season last year with Houston. I think we lucked out actually depending on who else we sign.






Kobe, Nash, Gasol and HOWARD, that would be interesting!

I thought the same with Kobe, Shaq, Karl Malone and Gary Payton.....

[carmaster]

Steve Nash made the right move. He owes the Raptors nothing. He wants to win a championship. The Raptors are a joke.

[jaysfan4life]

I'm more annoyed by Ray Allen signing with the Heat... It will be another NBA season that I won't watch.

[clee290]

I'm more annoyed by Ray Allen signing with the Heat... It will be another NBA season that I won't watch.

What if the Heat end up doing horribly?!

[LonesomeDove]

The goal of every professional player no matter what sport is to win a championship. Some of the greatest players in many sports have never won a championship. How about Marcel Dionne, one of the top scorers in the NHL, never came close to winning the Stanley Cup. Dan Marino, who holds many records, and is considered one of the greatest Quarterbacks, never won a Super Bowl.

Steve Nash is near the end of his career. He wants a chanpionship ring. He is not going to get one with the Raptors. Can you really blame him?

Remember Ray Bourque? He played 21 years for the Boston Bruins and never won a Stanly Cup. So the Bruins traded him to Colorado for a chance to win a Stanley Cup. He did win the Stanley Cup finally after 23 years and retired right after.

You can be the greatest in the sports you play in but the question will always remain: Yes, but he never won a chanpionship.

[TheRealVinsanity]

I'm more annoyed by Ray Allen signing with the Heat... It will be another NBA season that I won't watch.

Really? I think it's going to be great. I can't wait until the first Celtics-Heat game. The rivarly just got better IMO.

[carmaster]

Really? I think it's going to be great. I can't wait until the first Celtics-Heat game. The rivarly just got better IMO.

Agree. It's a smart move by Allen. The Celtics are not going anywhere.

[4flava]

Really? I think it's going to be great. I can't wait until the first Celtics-Heat game. The rivarly just got better IMO.


Agree. It's a smart move by Allen. The Celtics are not going anywhere.

Would be fun to see Garnett taunting Allen and throwing hard forearms/elbows when Allen starts running around screens. :cheesygri

[x-factor]

Ray Allen felt disrespected that the Celtics dangled him in trade talks all of last year;
and then didn't start him after he returned from the ankle injury.

Some reports suggest he doesn't get along with Rajon Rondo either.

[clee290]

Ray Allen felt disrespected that the Celtics dangled him in trade talks all of last year;
and then didn't start him after he returned from the ankle injury.

Some reports suggest he doesn't get along with Rajon Rondo either.

Yea, that's what I read as well.

[got_it_4_cheap]

I'm more annoyed by Ray Allen signing with the Heat... It will be another NBA season that I won't watch.

this

if nash wanted to take a really easy route to championship, he would have just joined heat and win rings

with Lakers it will be a challenge

[clee290]

this

if nash wanted to take a really easy route to championship, he would have just joined heat and win rings

with Lakers it will be a challenge

He can't just choose any team. He can only choose from the teams that are looking at him and made offers. As of right now, the Heat don't need a PG, so he wasn't really a priority for them.

[SmartyPants]

You know what, if I were Steve Nash, I would choose the Lakers over the Raptors too.

[TheRealVinsanity]

He can't just choose any team. He can only choose from the teams that are looking at him and made offers. As of right now, the Heat don't need a PG, so he wasn't really a priority for them.

Also, it's about the $. He wasn't going to pick just any team. He was going to pick a team that was willing to offer him at least a number that he felt was expectable to take.

[clee290]

Also, it's about the $. He wasn't going to pick just any team. He was going to pick a team that was willing to offer him at least a number that he felt was expectable to take.

Oh, of course. Hypothetically, if Nash just wants to win a championship and he doesn't care about money, I'm sure the Heat wouldn't mind signing him for a million a year or so :P

[equin0x]

I've nothing against Steve. As proud as Canadian that I am, good for him. Lebrick on the other hand had to have the world's f--king attention with a special TV broadcast that made CLE fans to beg for him, all the while not knowing that he's already conspired with 2 others. Nash didn't need any of that pointless 15-min. drama. Lebrick is (still) young yet he wanted a championship the easy way. While Steve is not showing signs of declining, he is past his prime and I think at this point in his career, he deserves at least 1 ring. I highly doubt he'd get that here in T.O.

I'm happy for him that he's finally going to get the opportunity to make a run for a title contender franchise. I'm actually irked at Ray Allen. I thought he was better than that. He pulled a Lebrick on BOS and the fans. That's why I think there's not as much fire in the NBA (thank God there's FIFA and the Euros, and Wimbledon :D) any longer. Everyone wants to bolt into this 1 team to form a super team just for that ring. (this becoming Lord of the Rings or what? lol!) That can't be fair to others who have lower market value. Michael Jordan, Reggie Miller, Patrick Ewing, ...those were the REAL good days where no one wants to conspire with another all-star for the easy way out.

[thehockeyguy]

can't wait to see when the lakers visit toronto.. see if he will still be cheered or booed.. :lol:

[equin0x]

can't wait to see when the lakers visit toronto.. see if he will still be cheered or booed.. :lol:

knowing how T.O. fans take themselves way too seriously, I expect the latter.

[booboo]

Why do Raptor fans take it so personally when players don't want to play in Toronto? The list of players include:

Vince Carter
Chris Bosh
Tracy McGrady
Damon Stoudamire
Hedo Turkoglu

and now Steve Nash???

[shaolinmonk]

Why do Raptor fans take it so personally when players don't want to play in Toronto? The list of players include:

Vince Carter
Chris Bosh
Tracy McGrady
Damon Stoudamire
Hedo Turkoglu

and now Steve Nash???

Vince dogged it.. Deserves the boos
Bosh meh don't care
Tmac meh don't care
Damon meh don't care
Hedo "ball" turkoglu got to skip training camp, came in out of shape and sucked .. Deserve boos

Boston was trying to shop ray around all season.. Better that he choose his place to go.. Celtics management didn't treat him well

[jetertmac]

Nash is 39 years old and most players at that age are retired. He is the GM of team Canada and has played for his nation. He is a class act and Canadians should not be upset with him for not signing with the Raptors. If the Raptors were in a position to win a title which they are not then I would agree with people getting upset. Nash wants to win a title which he could not do in Phoenix or with the Raptors and wants to be closer to his family.

[blzn]

Why do Raptor fans take it so personally when players don't want to play in Toronto? The list of players include:

Vince Carter
Chris Bosh
Tracy McGrady
Damon Stoudamire
Hedo Turkoglu

and now Steve Nash???

The only one that truly deserves to be booed is Vince, true Raptor fans wouldn't boo a player who fulfilled his contract playing to the best of his ability.

[x-factor]

Vince Carter completely dogged it on purpose and destroyed his trade value in the year he forced a trade while still under contract.
If he had his way, Carter wanted the Raptors to trade the 4th overall pick the Raptors used to select Chris Bosh for 'a veteran player'. He deserved the boos. Carter also got pissed off when the Raptors GM selected Rafael Araujo instead of (his choice) Andre Iguodala and that was the same year he wanted out of town because the team was losing.

Hedonistic Turkeyglue signed the massive contract, showed up to training camp out of shape, got caught calling in sick to go night clubbing when he should have been playing on game night, and worst of all, played horrible basketball. If you're being paid about $150,000 a game, faking an illness to skip a game to go clubbing is just being unprofessional and selfish. That year the Raptors missed the playoffs, Hedo got traded, and Bosh left for Miami afterward. If Hedo played like they expeceted him to when he signed the contract the Raptors might not be in complete rebuild mode the last couple of years now.

Those two above are the only two players that actually deserved boos.

McGrady was booed because he had a war of words and a feud with his cousin Vince Carter right after leaving.
Fans always wonder 'what if?' scenarios, because that Raptors team could have been legitimate contenders for years had McGrady stayed.
He also was quoted for saying 'Toronto is too cold and a hockey town' which isn't all that bad or far from the truth.


Damon Stoudamire asked for a trade but he wasn't really a bonafide star IMO. He was a good player stat-padding on a bad team (ie. Mike James on the Raptors).
His production was ordinary after he got traded to Portland.

Overall, Toronto sports fans have a tendency to be very insecure when any players leave town; especially if any controversy is involved.
Bosh played out his entire contract and played hard so he didn't deserve boos.



Why do Raptor fans take it so personally when players don't want to play in Toronto? The list of players include:

Vince Carter
Chris Bosh
Tracy McGrady
Damon Stoudamire
Hedo Turkoglu

and now Steve Nash???

[KINGJAMES WITNESS 23]

I've nothing against Steve. As proud as Canadian that I am, good for him. Lebrick on the other hand had to have the world's f--king attention with a special TV broadcast that made CLE fans to beg for him, all the while not knowing that he's already conspired with 2 others. Nash didn't need any of that pointless 15-min. drama. Lebrick is (still) young yet he wanted a championship the easy way. While Steve is not showing signs of declining, he is past his prime and I think at this point in his career, he deserves at least 1 ring. I highly doubt he'd get that here in T.O.

I'm happy for him that he's finally going to get the opportunity to make a run for a title contender franchise. I'm actually irked at Ray Allen. I thought he was better than that. He pulled a Lebrick on BOS and the fans. That's why I think there's not as much fire in the NBA (thank God there's FIFA and the Euros, and Wimbledon :D) any longer. Everyone wants to bolt into this 1 team to form a super team just for that ring. (this becoming Lord of the Rings or what? lol!) That can't be fair to others who have lower market value. Michael Jordan, Reggie Miller, Patrick Ewing, ...those were the REAL good days where no one wants to conspire with another all-star for the easy way out.

:lol::facepalm: You're one of those individuals that believes Michael Jordan won championships on his own. No one wins championships on their own. It's a TEAM effort. When people will get that through their head is beyond me. Jordan had Pippen (Top 50 NBA All-Time player) and later on, Rodman. Before Pippen arrived, Jordan was 1-9 in the playoffs. The championships happened after Pippen arrived in Chicago. But no one gives credit to that. Everyone always says, and believes MJ won championships on his own which is false. Kobe is the same way. Kobe didn't want to play in Charlotte. They were forced to trade him to LA where he wanted to go. In LA, he meets Shaq. They win multiple championships together. Kobe had Shaq. When Shaq left, where was Kobe? Missing the playoffs, and receiving first round playoff exits. After a couple of years of that, he asked for a trade from LA, but luckily for LA, they acquired Pau Gasol a few months after he requested the trade and Kobe won another two championships AFTER Gasol arrived. Another example of no one wins championships alone.

Tell me one all-star/superstar caliber player in Cleveland with LeBron when he was there. In the 7 years he was there, not ONE all-star/superstar caliber player was brought to the team. Larry Hughes? Fail. Mo Williams? 1 Time All Star in the years he played with LeBron. An aged Shaq and Antawn Jamison? Yeah, that helps a TON. (Yeah F-king right)

You want to talk about winning alone? The fact that LeBron led Cleveland to the playoffs, the Finals in 2007 with a team that consisted of Sasha Pavlovic and Daniel Gibson as starters, and also gave Cleveland the best record in the league for two consecutive years is amazing. That's winning ALONE, and playing ALONE.

Once again it's comments like these from ignorant people that fail to understand that the NBA is a business. He was a FREE AGENT (meaning he can choose to go wherever he wishes, on his own will, since some of you sherlocks still don't get that).

Ray Allen did the same thing. He wanted to go somewhere that he felt wanted and respected again. He spent 7 Years in Milwaukee, got traded, 5 Years in Seattle, got traded, and then after finally settling in Boston, winning a championship, then losing his starting job as well as becoming a bench/role player he felt disrespected. He went to Miami just to get another chance at winning a championship and the Heat are the best team available to help him accomplish that.

[Prehistory]

Celtics were clearly trying to trade Ray Allen, not really a surprise here that he left.

[ovechkin1]

Nash took less money to go to a competitor that was close to his ex-wife and kid as far as I know (Bruce Arthur's POV (http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/07/04/steve-nash-owes-raptors-nothing/)).

+1, he's too old to make a difference on Toronto anyway, likely we wouldn't have made the playoffs anyway. Phoenix had a better supporting roster and they still missed them.

[TheRealVinsanity]

Celtics were clearly trying to trade Ray Allen, not really a surprise here that he left.

Agreed. But now everyone is questioning Allen's loyalty for some reason.

[ji2o0k]

Once again it's comments like these from ignorant people that fail to understand that the NBA is a business. He was a FREE AGENT (meaning he can choose to go wherever he wishes, on his own will, since some of you sherlocks still don't get that).

Ray Allen did the same thing. He wanted to go somewhere that he felt wanted and respected again. He spent 7 Years in Milwaukee, got traded, 5 Years in Seattle, got traded, and then after finally settling in Boston, winning a championship, then losing his starting job as well as becoming a bench/role player he felt disrespected. He went to Miami just to get another chance at winning a championship and the Heat are the best team available to help him accomplish that.+2 on the NBA being a business and the teams are businesses that want to maximize their value from their assets...

The teams will trade their players in a heartbeat if the player isn't performing or is "broken" (i.e. injured and not the same player)...or they will waive you...or if they deem a "better" player comes up, they will definitely trade you...just "part of the business"....there is very little loyalty in the business...

Players as free agents can do the same thing...maximize their salaries or go to the best opportunity to win a ring....

Boston was shopping Ray Allen all season but there were no takers...now a better opportunity comes up for Ray Allen to win a ring while making some good $$....why shouldn't he take it?

Is it cold that Ray Allen went to a rival? Sure but again, it is all business...

[kennyhohoho]

:lol::facepalm: You're one of those individuals that believes Michael Jordan won championships on his own. No one wins championships on their own. It's a TEAM effort. When people will get that through their head is beyond me. Jordan had Pippen (Top 50 NBA All-Time player) and later on, Rodman. Before Pippen arrived, Jordan was 1-9 in the playoffs. The championships happened after Pippen arrived in Chicago. But no one gives credit to that. Everyone always says, and believes MJ won championships on his own which is false. Kobe is the same way. Kobe didn't want to play in Charlotte. They were forced to trade him to LA where he wanted to go. In LA, he meets Shaq. They win multiple championships together. Kobe had Shaq. When Shaq left, where was Kobe? Missing the playoffs, and receiving first round playoff exits. After a couple of years of that, he asked for a trade from LA, but luckily for LA, they acquired Pau Gasol a few months after he requested the trade and Kobe won another two championships AFTER Gasol arrived. Another example of no one wins championships alone.

Tell me one all-star/superstar caliber player in Cleveland with LeBron when he was there. In the 7 years he was there, not ONE all-star/superstar caliber player was brought to the team. Larry Hughes? Fail. Mo Williams? 1 Time All Star in the years he played with LeBron. An aged Shaq and Antawn Jamison? Yeah, that helps a TON. (Yeah F-king right)

You want to talk about winning alone? The fact that LeBron led Cleveland to the playoffs, the Finals in 2007 with a team that consisted of Sasha Pavlovic and Daniel Gibson as starters, and also gave Cleveland the best record in the league for two consecutive years is amazing. That's winning ALONE, and playing ALONE.

Once again it's comments like these from ignorant people that fail to understand that the NBA is a business. He was a FREE AGENT (meaning he can choose to go wherever he wishes, on his own will, since some of you sherlocks still don't get that).

Ray Allen did the same thing. He wanted to go somewhere that he felt wanted and respected again. He spent 7 Years in Milwaukee, got traded, 5 Years in Seattle, got traded, and then after finally settling in Boston, winning a championship, then losing his starting job as well as becoming a bench/role player he felt disrespected. He went to Miami just to get another chance at winning a championship and the Heat are the best team available to help him accomplish that.

+1.

A lot of these people's understanding of the game is taken from 2 minute highlight reels on ESPN Classic. :lol:

Cleveland management was, is, and always will be inept. Where was that franchise before Lebron? They just got lucky one year and happened to have drafted one of the best players in the modern era. How does a team go from 1st to last in the league after ONE player leaves? That just shows how completely hopeless the management of the Cavs is, and how much that entire organization depended on ONE guy.

Also glad that Ray Ray chose to sign with the Heat. He still has some game left, and after after the entire off-season to recover and a full training camp with the Heat, he should be able to return to form. He's also the only one of the "big 4" that I don't absolutely despise. Looking forward to his first game at the Gardens. I hope he drops 30 on them. :lol:

[nineiron]

it seems that most of you have problems reading.

this thread is about the HYPOCRISY IN THE REACTION TO NASH AND LEBRON LEAVING THEIR TEAMS.

- Lebron left a team where he was considered the "franchise player"
- Nash left a team where he was considered the "franchise player"

- Lebron took less $ to chase a ring (Lebron admitted to chasing a ring)
- Nash took less $ to chase a ring (Nash said he wants to be 'close to his family')

- Lebron had an espn special announcing his "decision"
- Nash did not have a tv special to announce his "decision"

seems the only thing different here is that tv thing. how long do you guys plan on holding this against him? did it really hurt you that much?

Gretzky pretty much got caught for betting on hockey (he blamed it on his wife lol) but they still let him coach the Canadian national team. just sayin'

[shannn]

Celtics were clearly trying to trade Ray Allen, not really a surprise here that he left.

To mediate that, it was said that the Celtics were adding a no trade clause to his contract, which would have paid him more than Miami, but it seems that the damage was done and it was mostly because of his incompatability with Rajon Rondo

Apparently Courtney Lee is close to signing with the Celts. Minus the experience, that would be an upgrade for them.

[x-factor]

The situations are still different:

- LeBron grew up very close to Cleveland, Ohio (Akron, Ohio)
- LeBron only played for the Cleveland Cavaliers before he left.

- Cleveland fans rallied and sang songs about him in public gatherings in a vain attempt to convince him to stay. Some fans feel he rubbed it in publicly that he was leaving with 'The Decision' TV special and the Miami homecoming party
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WzvgYHhrp0

- thanks for the correction, both Nash and LeBron did in fact do sign-and-trade deals with their former teams.

- Steve Nash was born in South Africa (his parents later moved to British Columbia)
- Nash has played for several teams already. (Phoenix-Dallas-Phoenix)
- Nash was drafted by Phoenix but they traded him to Dallas in 1998 because they had prime Jason Kidd starting for them.
- By doing a sign-and-trade with L.A, Phoenix gets 2 first round draft picks, and 2 second round draft picks from the Lakers in the future.
- Nash led Team Canada to an improbable 7th place finish in the 2000 Olympics, which is the furthest Team Canada has ever placed in international play. He also played for team Canada in 2004 but they did not qualify for the Olympics.

The Toronto Raptors' TV ratings have been low outside of the Greater Toronto Area since Vince Carter left the team so Nash wouldn't do much to boost TV ratings across Canada. For the rest of Canada, Raptors games are often blacked out in favour of Curling.





it seems that most of you have problems reading.

this thread is about the HYPOCRISY IN THE REACTION TO NASH AND LEBRON LEAVING THEIR TEAMS.

- Lebron left a team where he was considered the "franchise player"
- Nash left a team where he was considered the "franchise player"

- Lebron took less $ to chase a ring (Lebron admitted to chasing a ring)
- Nash took less $ to chase a ring (Nash said he wants to be 'close to his family')

- Lebron had an espn special announcing his "decision"
- Nash did not have a tv special to announce his "decision"

seems the only thing different here is that tv thing. how long do you guys plan on holding this against him? did it really hurt you that much?

Gretzky pretty much got caught for betting on hockey (he blamed it on his wife lol) but they still let him coach the Canadian national team. just sayin'

[shaolinmonk]

correction.. the cavs did a sign and trade deal

The Heat sent Cleveland two first-round draft picks and two second-round picks, as well as a large trade exception, for James. The first-round picks could be between 2013 and 2017. The second-round picks are in 2012 (acquired from New Orleans) and a future pick acquired from Oklahoma City. For some reason, the Cavs will have the option to swap 2012 first-round picks with the Heat as well. The trade exception can be used within one year.

it's not a lot but better then nothing.. especially if Kyrie takes off

[junot111]

i think i missed Nash's TV special that aired last night. I also forgot Nash played for Raptors like James played to Cavs.

There's no comparison - I'm not a Lebron hater, I was rooting for Miami since he signed there. I would of left Cleveland too. But there's absolutely no comparison.

summed up perfectly... Agree 100%

[a-tree]

11 pages of garbage and OP still doesn't know what hypocrisy means.

[nineiron]

The situations are still different:

- LeBron grew up very close to Cleveland, Ohio (Akron, Ohio)
- LeBron only played for the Cleveland Cavaliers before he left.

- Cleveland fans rallied and sang songs about him in public gatherings in a vain attempt to convince him to stay. Some fans feel he rubbed it in publicly that he was leaving with 'The Decision' TV special and the Miami homecoming party
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WzvgYHhrp0

- thanks for the correction, both Nash and LeBron did in fact do sign-and-trade deals with their former teams.

- Steve Nash was born in South Africa (his parents later moved to British Columbia)
- Nash has played for several teams already. (Phoenix-Dallas-Phoenix)
- Nash was drafted by Phoenix but they traded him to Dallas in 1998 because they had prime Jason Kidd starting for them.
- By doing a sign-and-trade with L.A, Phoenix gets 2 first round draft picks, and 2 second round draft picks from the Lakers in the future.
- Nash led Team Canada to an improbable 7th place finish in the 2000 Olympics, which is the furthest Team Canada has ever placed in international play. He also played for team Canada in 2004 but they did not qualify for the Olympics.

The Toronto Raptors' TV ratings have been low outside of the Greater Toronto Area since Vince Carter left the team so Nash wouldn't do much to boost TV ratings across Canada. For the rest of Canada, Raptors games are often blacked out in favour of Curling.

by "several" you mean 2?

[sexyj]

The suns are in a opposite direction than nash. Suns are rebuilding with young players. Nash didn't leave the suns, the suns didn't want to negotiate a realistic contract.

Nash wanted 3 years, suns offered 2 and at a 5-7 mill range.

Stop talking garbage.


it seems that most of you have problems reading.

this thread is about the HYPOCRISY IN THE REACTION TO NASH AND LEBRON LEAVING THEIR TEAMS.

- Lebron left a team where he was considered the "franchise player"
- Nash left a team where he was considered the "franchise player"

- Lebron took less $ to chase a ring (Lebron admitted to chasing a ring)
- Nash took less $ to chase a ring (Nash said he wants to be 'close to his family')

- Lebron had an espn special announcing his "decision"
- Nash did not have a tv special to announce his "decision"

seems the only thing different here is that tv thing. how long do you guys plan on holding this against him? did it really hurt you that much?

Gretzky pretty much got caught for betting on hockey (he blamed it on his wife lol) but they still let him coach the Canadian national team. just sayin'

[kennyhohoho]

The suns are in a opposite direction than nash. Suns are rebuilding with young players. Nash didn't leave the suns, the suns didn't want to negotiate a realistic contract.

Nash wanted 3 years, suns offered 2 and at a 5-7 mill range.

Stop talking garbage.

Both you and I know Nash isn't playing another 3 years.

Unless of course he plans to go out the same way Shaq went out, a shattered shadow of his former self.

[supkhoa1]

11 pages of garbage and OP still doesn't know what hypocrisy means.

alright, so i took the time to read a bit less than the first 100 post. for me, i zero-ed in on the word hypocrisy. the OP seemed to be focused on the general reactions/criticism of James' situation versus Nash's situation. as far as I can tell, the OP is playing a dangerous game of selective perception (and so are many others that responded not in favour of the OP).

there are similarities between the two situations but OP needs to understand that not everyone sees it the same way. many who are against OP are merely stating that the entire situation is not the same, therefore it can be judged/reacted upon differently.

again, who you love and who you hate should not be forced upon others. my only issue with this thread is that it feels like OP is declaring anyone who is okay with the Nash move and not okay with the James move a hypocrite.

ps. at this point, i feel like OP is trolling us to get more and more reactions :D

[sexyj]

On the other news

lol @ 1:40


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBbugLymf-U&list=PL70D9D827ECD41670&index=2&feature=plpp_video

[nineiron]

alright, so i took the time to read a bit less than the first 100 post. for me, i zero-ed in on the word hypocrisy. the OP seemed to be focused on the general reactions/criticism of James' situation versus Nash's situation. as far as I can tell, the OP is playing a dangerous game of selective perception (and so are many others that responded not in favour of the OP).

there are similarities between the two situations but OP needs to understand that not everyone sees it the same way. many who are against OP are merely stating that the entire situation is not the same, therefore it can be judged/reacted upon differently.

again, who you love and who you hate should not be forced upon others. my only issue with this thread is that it feels like OP is declaring anyone who is okay with the Nash move and not okay with the James move a hypocrite.

ps. at this point, i feel like OP is trolling us to get more and more reactions :D

kind of.

i think most ppl hate Lebron, not for that tv announcement (as they claim), but more because they can't relate to him. he's big, he's strong, he dominates with skill AND size. he's a rare athlete to come by.

meanwhile, Nash looks like your everyday guy. he works hard to make up for whatever he lacks physically. at least that's the way ppl see it.

they think Lebron has no work ethic and everything "comes naturally".

your statement (that i bolded) is kind of true, because they both left to CHASE RINGS. if you're ok with Nash doing why aren't you ok with Lebron doing it?

[sexyj]

That's what they say about grant hill. Who knows... Nash is pretty much like Stockton when it comes to durability.


Both you and I know Nash isn't playing another 3 years.

Unless of course he plans to go out the same way Shaq went out, a shattered shadow of his former self.

[nineiron]

That's what they say about grant hill. Who knows... Nash is pretty much like Stockton when it comes to durability.

Grant Hill may as well retire, he's invisible on the court anyway.

[supkhoa1]

kind of.

i think most ppl hate Lebron, not for that tv announcement (as they claim), but more because they can't relate to him. he's big, he's strong, he dominates with skill AND size. he's a rare athlete to come by.

meanwhile, Nash looks like your everyday guy. he works hard to make up for whatever he lacks physically. at least that's the way ppl see it.

they think Lebron has no work ethic and everything "comes naturally".

your statement (that i bolded) is kind of true, because they both left to CHASE RINGS. if you're ok with Nash doing why aren't you ok with Lebron doing it?

based on that one criteria alone, then you're probably right. but remember, that was not the only premise you had in your original post. you also mentioned that he passed on Toronto (implied) and because of that premise, people perceived that you wanted to point out Nash rejecting toronto makes him comparable to James' situation. IMHO, this makes the situation incomparable and many other underlying points makes the situation different as well (ie. age, point in career, etc...).

this is mainly my opinion and a bit of a straw-man argument. it's like a breakup with your significant other. James and Cleveland is like that girlfriend you broke up with then you tell your friends exactly why it she's this and that. You try to avoid her and get that weird tingly feeling when someone says she's nearby and all of the emotions you had rages up. on the other hand, with nash and phoenix (not toronto), it's like that girlfriend that you still keep in touch with and talk to occasional or even friends with still. you tell everyone that it didn't work out and you both had different ideas of the future.

there's no facts on the argument above, but that's how i feel. now, to say one treats two different girlfriends different makes them a hypocrite, i don't think so. /strawman LOL



so Nash passes on the ONLY Canadian team in the league and chooses to go to LA to try to win a ring and no one bashes Nash.

Lebron takes LESS money to go to Miami to try to win a ring and everyone hates Lebron.

hmmmm

[nineiron]

based on that one criteria alone, then you're probably right. but remember, that was not the only premise you had in your original post. you also mentioned that he passed on Toronto (implied) and because of that premise, people perceived that you wanted to point out Nash rejecting toronto makes him comparable to James' situation. IMHO, this makes the situation incomparable and many other underlying points makes the situation different as well (ie. age, point in career, etc...).

this is mainly my opinion and a bit of a straw-man argument. It's like breakup with your significant other. James and Cleveland is like that girlfriend you broke up with then you tell your friends exactly why it she's this and that. You try to avoid her and get that weird tingly feeling when someone says she's nearby and all of the emotions you had rages up. on the other hand, with nash and phoenix (not toronto), it's like that girlfriend that you still keep in touch with and talk to occasional or even friends with still. you tell everyone that it didn't work out and you both had different ideas of the future.

there's no facts on the argument above, but that's how i feel. now, to say one treats two different girlfriends different makes them a hypocrite, i don't think so. /strawman LOL

i see your point about age and point in career. but do you think ppl are considering that when they bash Lebron?

yes, i implied that he passed on Toronto and that it is similar to Lebron passing on staying in Cleveland. everyone jumped on that stating that Lebron grew up in Cleveland and blah blah blah. well, this was (possibly) Nash's ONLY chance to play for a Canadian team. Nash had his chances to win a ring with some GOOD teams (Phoenix & Dallas) but didn't get it.

if anything, Nash should be getting MORE bashing than Lebron.

lol @ the ex-gf analogy.

[supkhoa1]

i see your point about age and point in career. but do you think ppl are considering that when they bash Lebron?

yes, i implied that he passed on Toronto and that it is similar to Lebron passing on staying in Cleveland. everyone jumped on that stating that Lebron grew up in Cleveland and blah blah blah. well, this was (possibly) Nash's ONLY chance to play for a Canadian team. Nash had his chances to win a ring with some GOOD teams (Phoenix & Dallas) but didn't get it.

if anything, Nash should be getting MORE bashing than Lebron.

lol @ the ex-gf analogy.

re-read my previous post and there's some grammatical error, oops. anyways, regarding Nash choosing to not play for team Canada in recent years, it hurts for Canadians and most of us would love for him to play, win or lose. but i'm sure he's contributing in other ways. as for not playing for the raptors, i can care less, lol. i've always preferred teams outside of canada based on very weird and stupid reasons of my own. just because the raptors are based in canada is not enough incentive for Nash to play here. if the raptors had a championship calibre team and their best player is not a point guard, then i would understand your sentiment a bit more. right now, raptors highest fantasy point per game getter is Calderon. other than that, there's Bargnani but even when healthy, he's not dominating. if the pieces were different, maybe. business-wise, Nash chose a pretty sick team (Bynum, Gasol, World Peace, Bryant, Nash). Let's see what the Lakers do at the trade deadline and their bench players.

[LonesomeDove]

i see your point about age and point in career. but do you think ppl are considering that when they bash Lebron?

yes, i implied that he passed on Toronto and that it is similar to Lebron passing on staying in Cleveland. everyone jumped on that stating that Lebron grew up in Cleveland and blah blah blah. well, this was (possibly) Nash's ONLY chance to play for a Canadian team. Nash had his chances to win a ring with some GOOD teams (Phoenix & Dallas) but didn't get it.

if anything, Nash should be getting MORE bashing than Lebron.

lol @ the ex-gf analogy.

What is the big deal about playing for a Canadian team? For any professional athlete, the main purpose is to win a championship, not playing in your own country. If we follow your reasoning, we should be ripping Sidney Crosby for re-signing for the Pittsburgh Penquins. Why did Crosby not sign in a Canadian city to prove his patriotism?

[MVP1]

This is such a stupid thread. Nash doesn't owe the Raptors anything. Nash wants to win and be near his kids, the Lakers give him the best chance. Can't believe some of you are actually ripping on him.

[booboo]

It was what Lebron said early in his career that Cavs fans were angry about. This is why they think he lied to them.

"I got a goal, and it's a huge goal, and that's to bring an NBA championship here to Cleveland," James said. "And I won't stop until I get it."

Well, he stopped when he couldn't get it and the fans got upset.

On the other hand, I don't believe Nash promised anything to Toronto or was even considering going to Toronto. As far as I can tell, the Raptors offered him a contract and he chose a different one.

If McDonald's offered you a job and you turned it down, should you get booed every time you go eat there?

[shaolinmonk]

Not sure where the can't relate to LeBron comment came from...don't think it was any bearing on my opinion oe him at least..

LeBron was crazy popular before the decision, very likeable and singing Cyndi lauper songs on tv...lol

There's lots of people that are "old school" and want players to stay with the original team...a player like LeBron is one if a kind and has impossible expectations ..but if he stayed with the Cavs and won it all it would be a greater achievement then the heat title

[stealth]

Maybe it's as simple as Lebron is/was perceived as a much bigger star/difference maker than Nash is today.
Lebron was the biggest name in basketball, with a long great career ahead of him. Nash is nearing 40, and while still very valuable, must be seen as nearing the end of his career.
When James left Cleveland, he had possibly 15 more years to offer a team...Nash has what, 2-3?

[TheRealVinsanity]

Maybe it's as simple as Lebron is/was perceived as a much bigger star/difference maker than Nash is today.
Lebron was the biggest name in basketball, with a long great career ahead of him. Nash is nearing 40, and while still very valuable, must be seen as nearing the end of his career.
When James left Cleveland, he had possibly 15 more years to offer a team...Nash has what, 2-3?

Agreed. LeBron was just entering in his prime when he left Cleveland. I think some people are kinda overrating what Nash can do at this point in his career now.

[kennyhohoho]

Maybe it's as simple as Lebron is/was perceived as a much bigger star/difference maker than Nash is today.
Lebron was the biggest name in basketball, with a long great career ahead of him. Nash is nearing 40, and while still very valuable, must be seen as nearing the end of his career.
When James left Cleveland, he had possibly 15 more years to offer a team...Nash has what, 2-3?

Agreed. But it doesn't seem to matter to some fans. "Fan" is short for fanatic after all.

Stay Classy Boston.

https://p.twimg.com/AxOlA9QCAAAdHJ3.jpg:large http://boston.barstoolsports.com/files/2012/07/judas2-480x280.jpg

[TheRealVinsanity]

It's pretty funny to see how short-sighted fans can get.

Do the Celtic fans realize that the Celtics tried to trade Ray Allen at the trade deadline last season? Where is the loyalty there?

He was a free agent and decided to go somewhere else. Good for him.

[kennyhohoho]

It's pretty funny to see how short-sighted fans can get.

Do the Celtic fans realize that the Celtics tried to trade Ray Allen at the trade deadline last season? Where is the loyalty there?

He was a free agent and decided to go somewhere else. Good for him.

Yup. That's why I think the average local sports fan is an absolute moron.

Rooting for your local professional sports team is basically rooting for your favourite piece of laundry.

Personally, I root for my favourite players, not the city/team.

[tighty whities]

Agreed. But it doesn't seem to matter to some fans. "Fan" is short for fanatic after all.

Stay Classy Boston.

https://p.twimg.com/AxOlA9QCAAAdHJ3.jpg:large http://boston.barstoolsports.com/files/2012/07/judas2-480x280.jpg

Yeah, cause that fan and those jerseys represents Boston. Like nineiron represents Toronto :facepalm:

[nineiron]

re-read my previous post and there's some grammatical error, oops. anyways, regarding Nash choosing to not play for team Canada in recent years, it hurts for Canadians and most of us would love for him to play, win or lose. but i'm sure he's contributing in other ways. as for not playing for the raptors, i can care less, lol. i've always preferred teams outside of canada based on very weird and stupid reasons of my own. just because the raptors are based in canada is not enough incentive for Nash to play here. if the raptors had a championship calibre team and their best player is not a point guard, then i would understand your sentiment a bit more. right now, raptors highest fantasy point per game getter is Calderon. other than that, there's Bargnani but even when healthy, he's not dominating. if the pieces were different, maybe. business-wise, Nash chose a pretty sick team (Bynum, Gasol, World Peace, Bryant, Nash). Let's see what the Lakers do at the trade deadline and their bench players.

and the Cavs had a championship caliber team?

minus Lebron, the Raptors probably have a better team than the Cavs.

i know Nash chose a "sick" team. he chose it to give himself the best shot at a ring, just like Lebron did. only Nash said it was to "be closer to his family".

[kennyhohoho]

Yeah, cause that fan and those jerseys represents Boston. Like nineiron represents Toronto :facepalm:

Did I say it represents all of Boston? :facepalm:

I said SOME fans. Reading comprehension fail. ;)

We'll see if he gets boo'ed or not during his first game back at the garden.

[shaolinmonk]

and the Cavs had a championship caliber team?

minus Lebron, the Raptors probably have a better team than the Cavs.
.

a few of the cav players were raptors lol..

and it's Lebron James the best player in the league.. you telling me if he had a desire to stay in Cleveland he couldn't get players to play with him?

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8143205/nba-how-steve-nash-los-angeles-lakers-happened

[RSX333]

and the Cavs had a championship caliber team?

minus Lebron, the Raptors probably have a better team than the Cavs.

i know Nash chose a "sick" team. he chose it to give himself the best shot at a ring, just like Lebron did. only Nash said it was to "be closer to his family".

HE NEVER HIDE THE FACT THAT HE IS GOING TO A CONTENDER!!

"But when [the Lakers] did and I started to think about it, about how I could be close to the kids and at the same time be on a contender, it was a perfect fit."

"That was the most important thing. No matter how disappointed some Suns fans would be, nothing could compete with the disappointment of telling my kids I'd only see them a few times throughout the winter. That trumps everything." (I think he was being very genuine.)

And you think Nash should be getting MORE bashing than Lebron?

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8143205/nba-how-steve-nash-los-angeles-lakers-happened

[tighty whities]

Did I say it represents all of Boston? :facepalm:

I said SOME fans. Reading comprehension fail. ;)

We'll see if he gets boo'ed or not during his first game back at the garden.

No comprehension problems here.. you were addressing stealth's comments... then in a totally separate statement, said "Stay Classy Boston".

[kennyhohoho]

a few of the cav players were raptors lol..

and it's Lebron James the best player in the league.. you telling me if he had a desire to stay in Cleveland he couldn't get players to play with him?

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8143205/nba-how-steve-nash-los-angeles-lakers-happened

Cleveland management had no idea what they were doing though. Their philosophies were awful and nothing short of a complete overhaul would see them win anything. Great players can only do so much. Great players can lift bottom feeder teams and make them relevant again (e.g. The 2011-2012 Clippers), but the front office plays a big role in getting over that hump and to win a championship.

Great teams with great management are able to sustain success without depending entirely on one player the way the Cavs did (e.g. The Spurs).

It's the age old "give a man a fish" philosophy. The Cavs were given a fish in 2003. Granted, it was a HUGE, MASSIVE fish that lasted for seven years. Once that fish ran out, they had no idea what to do. But a team like the Spurs were taught how to fish. :D

[kennyhohoho]

No comprehension problems here.. you were addressing stealth's comments... then in a totally separate statement, said "Stay Classy Boston".

And? :razz:

Keep in mind, this is the same city that resorted to racism after Joel Ward scored the game winning goal against the Bruins: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2136101/Joel-Ward-subjected-racist-tweets-stunning-overtime-goal.html

Or was that just one fan too? :lol:

[nineiron]

HE NEVER HIDE THE FACT THAT HE IS GOING TO A CONTENDER!!

"But when [the Lakers] did and I started to think about it, about how I could be close to the kids and at the same time be on a contender, it was a perfect fit."

"That was the most important thing. No matter how disappointed some Suns fans would be, nothing could compete with the disappointment of telling my kids I'd only see them a few times throughout the winter. That trumps everything." (I think he was being very genuine.)

And you think Nash should be getting MORE bashing than Lebron?

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8143205/nba-how-steve-nash-los-angeles-lakers-happened

so if the Lakers sucked, you think Nash still would have went there? he did say that seeing his kids "trumps everything".

how can he "hide" the fact he was going to a "contender"? what i said was: he made it sound like his family was the ONLY reason why he's going to the Lakers. the fact that they're good is just a bonus.

and even if it were true (which i don't believe), why don't you hear ppl say "Lebron wanted to play with his best friends"? no, ppl just say "he wanted a ring".

[RSX333]

so if the Lakers sucked, you think Nash still would have went there? he did say that seeing his kids "trumps everything".

how can he "hide" the fact he was going to a "contender"? what i said was: he made it sound like his family was the ONLY reason why he's going to the Lakers. the fact that they're good is just a bonus.

and even if it were true (which i don't believe), why don't you hear ppl say "Lebron wanted to play with his best friends"? no, ppl just say "he wanted a ring".

Would you say the below is a lie? He would of stayed in Phoenix IF they offer him more money.

"It really comes down to Steve wanting to be as close to his children as possible. It's an absolute bonus that he can compete for a ring and the money he'll be able to earn [roughly $27 million over the next three seasons] at his age. At the end of the day, if Phoenix would have offered him $10 million over three years, he would have stayed in Phoenix. One hundred percent. But we understand where the Suns are. They have to rebuild. They made it clear that they felt like they couldn't pay Steve a large salary and then go out and get other players to build a team."

[nineiron]

Would you say the below is a lie? He would of stayed in Phoenix IF they offer him more money.

"It really comes down to Steve wanting to be as close to his children as possible. It's an absolute bonus that he can compete for a ring and the money he'll be able to earn [roughly $27 million over the next three seasons] at his age. At the end of the day, if Phoenix would have offered him $10 million over three years, he would have stayed in Phoenix. One hundred percent. But we understand where the Suns are. They have to rebuild. They made it clear that they felt like they couldn't pay Steve a large salary and then go out and get other players to build a team."

i don't know if that's a lie or not.

but if it's true and he would have stayed in Phoenix for more $$, that's worse than what Lebron did. Nash was the franchise in Phoenix, just like Lebron was the franchise in Cleveland. Nash states he would have stayed in Phoenix for more $$.. but i thought his kids were the #1 priority?

i don't know how anyone could hate on a guy (Lebron) for taking LESS $$ to play alongside his buddies and win a ring.

[nineiron]

It was what Lebron said early in his career that Cavs fans were angry about. This is why they think he lied to them.

"I got a goal, and it's a huge goal, and that's to bring an NBA championship here to Cleveland," James said. "And I won't stop until I get it."

Well, he stopped when he couldn't get it and the fans got upset.

On the other hand, I don't believe Nash promised anything to Toronto or was even considering going to Toronto. As far as I can tell, the Raptors offered him a contract and he chose a different one.

If McDonald's offered you a job and you turned it down, should you get booed every time you go eat there?

you don't think Nash had the same goal in Phoenix. you don't think he talked about bringing a championship to Phoenix?

and how long ago was it that Lebron said this? how old was he?

i didn't say Nash promised or owes anything to Toronto. i said he had a chance to play for a Canadian team (and for a lot of $$) but he turned it down to chase a ring (or be "closer to his family", as everyone likes to believe).

[RSX333]

you don't think Nash had the same goal in Phoenix. you don't think he talked about bringing a championship to Phoenix?

and how long ago was it that Lebron said this? how old was he?

i didn't say Nash promised or owes anything to Toronto. i said he had a chance to play for a Canadian team (and for a lot of $$) but he turned it down to chase a ring (or be "closer to his family", as everyone likes to believe).

If Nash stayed in Phoenix, there is no way that team would of win a Championship!! I assume EVERYONE with a sane mind would agree.

Free agents has the right to choose ANYWHERE they want to go. I respect that.

Nash handled it with class, something Lebron didn't have. I think he's hated not because of what he did, but HOW he did it. (The Decision) Why bring it up again and start comparing Lebron to Nash?? Don't use Nash's decision and try to justify what Lebron did was ok. No, I won't hold the TV show against him forever, I believe most people have gotten over it. We had to bring it up over and over again because people like you JUST DON'T GET IT!!

[nineiron]

If Nash stayed in Phoenix, there is no way that team would of win a Championship!! I assume EVERYONE with a sane mind would agree.

Free agents has the right to choose ANYWHERE they want to go. I respect that.

Nash handled it with class, something Lebron didn't have. I think he's hated not because of what he did, but HOW he did it. (The Decision) Why bring it up again and start comparing Lebron to Nash?? Don't use Nash's decision and try to justify what Lebron did was ok. No, I won't hold the TV show against him forever, I believe most people have gotten over it. We had to bring it up over and over again because people like you JUST DON'T GET IT!!

lemme guess, you still hate Lebron right?

[shaolinmonk]

i don't know if that's a lie or not.

but if it's true and he would have stayed in Phoenix for more $$, that's worse than what Lebron did. Nash was the franchise in Phoenix, just like Lebron was the franchise in Cleveland. Nash states he would have stayed in Phoenix for more $$.. but i thought his kids were the #1 priority?

i don't know how anyone could hate on a guy (Lebron) for taking LESS $$ to play alongside his buddies and win a ring.

he would have stayed for 3 years @ $10MM $3.33333333MM a year that's a pay cut

[RSX333]

lemme guess, you still hate Lebron right?

Nope, I actually thought what he did this year was brilliant. I respect what he did on the court, became a true leader. On the other hand, you are a Lebron lover, and you try to justify whatever he did or said in the past was right. And that no one should fault him for anything.

[RSX333]

he would have stayed for 3 years @ $10MM $3.33333333MM a year that's a pay cut

Actually is 10MM per season, and that is still lower than what the Raps offered.

He said Kids are his #1 priority, he ALSO said he needs to get paid!! He would not play for peanuts.

Why does OP always have to compare Nash to Lebron?? Sure, Lebron is taking less money in MIA, but is still ALOT!! He is also playing in a state with no income tax, with all the endorsement deals, he sure have saved alot in taxes.

[shaolinmonk]

Actually is 10MM per season, and that is still lower than what the Raps offered.

He said Kids are his #1 priority, he ALSO said he needs to get paid!! He would not play for peanuts.

Why does OP always have to compare Nash to Lebron?? Sure, Lebron is taking less money in MIA, but is still ALOT!! He is also playing in a state with no income tax, with all the endorsement deals, he sure have saved alot in taxes.

$10MM over 3 years.. is not $10MM/year.. he wanted a 3 year deal not 2.. cause the suns offered him $6M over 2 years

[kennyhohoho]

Actually is 10MM per season, and that is still lower than what the Raps offered.

He said Kids are his #1 priority, he ALSO said he needs to get paid!! He would not play for peanuts.

Why does OP always have to compare Nash to Lebron?? Sure, Lebron is taking less money in MIA, but is still ALOT!! He is also playing in a state with no income tax, with all the endorsement deals, he sure have saved alot in taxes.

Lebron is making the same amount of money per year in player salary that Chris Bosh is making. Think about that for a second...

Forget endorsements as that's an entirely different beast. He could've stayed in Cleveland and gotten a lucrative contract. Possibly even more lucrative than Kobe's current deal.

[shaolinmonk]

Lebron is making the same amount of money per year in player salary that Chris Bosh is making. Think about that for a second...

Forget endorsements as that's an entirely different beast. He could've stayed in Cleveland and gotten a lucrative contract. Possibly even more lucrative than Kobe's current deal.

just means bosh is overpaid....

[x-factor]

If anyone bothered to look through nineiron (the topic creator's) other post history it is obvious he is a troll that seeks attention.


LeBron is the highest grossing basketball player this year according to Forbes. 4th highest paid athlete including endorsements. Kobe ranks 6th.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mayweather-tops-list-worlds-100-highest-paid-athletes-164158726--spt.html


The List:

1. Floyd Mayweather ($85 million)

2. Manny Pacquiao ($62 million)

3. Tiger Woods ($59.4 million)

4. Lebron James ($53 million)

5. Roger Federer ($52.7 million)

6. Kobe Bryant ($52.3 million)

7. Phil Mickelson ($47.8 million)

8. David Beckham ($46 million)

9. Cristiano Ronaldo ($42.5 million)

10. Peyton Manning ($42.4 million)





Lebron is making the same amount of money per year in player salary that Chris Bosh is making. Think about that for a second...

Forget endorsements as that's an entirely different beast. He could've stayed in Cleveland and gotten a lucrative contract. Possibly even more lucrative than Kobe's current deal.

[RSX333]

Lebron is making the same amount of money per year in player salary that Chris Bosh is making. Think about that for a second...

Forget endorsements as that's an entirely different beast. He could've stayed in Cleveland and gotten a lucrative contract. Possibly even more lucrative than Kobe's current deal.

I completely understand what you are saying, and Chris bosh would of gotten the same exact deal if he had stayed in Toronto. I'm just saying, is not like Lebron is making peanuts to join forces with his friends, he didn't give up all that much. And yet, OP is trying to bash Nash for wanting the best for himself.

I just want OP to understand one thing, is really not what Lebron did, is HOW he did it that ticked ppl off. Nash showed alot more class with his free agency situation.

[shaolinmonk]

4 LeBron JamesTotal earnings: $53 million
Salary/winnings: $13 million
Endorsements: $40 million

wonder how much he had with the cavs?

[clee290]

And? :razz:

Keep in mind, this is the same city that resorted to racism after Joel Ward scored the game winning goal against the Bruins: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2136101/Joel-Ward-subjected-racist-tweets-stunning-overtime-goal.html

Or was that just one fan too? :lol:

Oh man, I remember all the people dropping n-bombs on twitter, lmao.

[kennyhohoho]

just means bosh is overpaid....

Hmm... I dunno about that... I know a lot of people like to hate on Bosh, but I struggle to think of many other PFs in the league who can do what he does.

There's only a handful of PFs that I'd rank ahead of him.

Dirk? Love? Duncan? Garnett?

[nineiron]

Lebron is making the same amount of money per year in player salary that Chris Bosh is making. Think about that for a second...

Forget endorsements as that's an entirely different beast. He could've stayed in Cleveland and gotten a lucrative contract. Possibly even more lucrative than Kobe's current deal.

i don't think these haters are capable of that..

[nineiron]

Hmm... I dunno about that... I know a lot of people like to hate on Bosh, but I struggle to think of many other PFs in the league who can do what he does.

There's only a handful of PFs that I'd rank ahead of him.

Dirk? Love? Duncan? Garnett?

ya Bosh is a solid PF...

but Duncan and Garnett are centers aren't they?

[clee290]

Sure, Bosh may be considered overpaid and he may not always put up the greatest numbers, but he's still a very much needed player. I mean, just look at the Heat's playoff record after game 1 against the Pacers when Bosh got injured.

With Bosh out: 5-4
With Bosh coming off the bench: 2-2
With Bosh starting: 4-0

And if you also want to count the games prior to Bosh's injury:

With Bosh starting: 9-1

[kennyhohoho]

ya Bosh is a solid PF...

but Duncan and Garnett are centers aren't they?

When Jeff Green got injured the Celtics started using Garnett as their Center, but traditionally, he's always been a PF.

Duncan has also always been a PF, but he does play a lot like a Center, as most of the Centers the Spurs have had over the years (after Robinson) are next to useless. Fabricio Oberto? Tiago Splitter?

Even the Heat are using Bosh as a Center now, so yeah, the lines between what these players positions are have become kind of blurred.

[kennyhohoho]

Sure, Bosh may be considered overpaid and he may not always put up the greatest numbers, but he's still a very much needed player. I mean, just look at the Heat's playoff record after game 1 against the Pacers when Bosh got injured.

With Bosh out: 5-4
With Bosh coming off the bench: 2-2
With Bosh starting: 4-0

And if you also want to count the games prior to Bosh's injury:

With Bosh starting: 9-1

He's underappreciated in basketball circles I say. As a defender, you gotta honour his midrange jumper, but he can also pump fake and blow by you and get to the rim. A pretty tough cover for most opposing bigs since most don't like to defend too far away from the basket.

[nineiron]

I completely understand what you are saying, and Chris bosh would of gotten the same exact deal if he had stayed in Toronto. I'm just saying, is not like Lebron is making peanuts to join forces with his friends, he didn't give up all that much. And yet, OP is trying to bash Nash for wanting the best for himself.

I just want OP to understand one thing, is really not what Lebron did, is HOW he did it that ticked ppl off. Nash showed alot more class with his free agency situation.

so it's better if i say nice things to you before i kick you in the nuts?

who cares "how" he did it? are you from Cleveland? were you a Cavs fan? are you related to him somehow?

can you do me a favor? can you list out all the athletes you don't like and why?

[nineiron]

He's underappreciated in basketball circles I say. As a defender, you gotta honour his midrange jumper, but he can also pump fake and blow by you and get to the rim. A pretty tough cover for most opposing bigs since most don't like to defend too far away from the basket.

and he's left handed!

[rems]

so it's better if i say nice things to you before i kick you in the nuts?

who cares "how" he did it? are you from Cleveland? were you a Cavs fan? are you related to him somehow?

can you do me a favor? can you list out all the athletes you don't like?

It's like breaking up with someone. You can be an @$$ about or choose to be more tactful...

[nineiron]

It's like breaking up with someone. You can be an @$$ about or choose to be more tactful...

it's not a soap opera dude. it's sports.

and leaving a team is NOTHING like breaking up with someone..

[Psubs]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezfQNg32awM

[rems]

it's not a soap opera dude. it's sports.

and leaving a team is NOTHING like breaking up with someone..

Exactly it is sports. Fans develop an attachment with the team and its players. So when one leaves (especially one they've grown very fond of) it can be heartbreaking - sounds kinda like a relationship to me...

[nineiron]

it's funny how some of you have labeled me as a Lebron lover... i think it's mostly due to the fact that these same ppl HATE Lebron. and to them, if you don't HATE Lebron, you must be a fanboy.

there are athletes that i like TO WATCH PLAY, but that's it. i don't care about their personalities. they're professional athletes ffs.

some of you are here to defend Nash, but i think most of you are here to justify your hate for Lebron.

[shaolinmonk]

Hmm... I dunno about that... I know a lot of people like to hate on Bosh, but I struggle to think of many other PFs in the league who can do what he does.

There's only a handful of PFs that I'd rank ahead of him.

Dirk? Love? Duncan? Garnett?

he's overpaid if that's what lebron is making lol

[rems]

it's funny how some of you have labeled me as a Lebron lover... i think it's mostly due to the fact that these same ppl HATE Lebron. and to them, if you don't HATE Lebron, you must be a fanboy.

there are athletes that i like TO WATCH PLAY, but that's it. i don't care about their personalities. they're professional athletes ffs.

some of you are here to defend Nash, but i think most of you are here to justify your hate for Lebron.

I think LBJ has incited sort of the similar love him or hate him opinions that Kobe (used to?) get...

But no one can deny his talents.

[nineiron]

Exactly it is sports. Fans develop an attachment with the team and its players. So when one leaves (especially one they've grown very fond of) it can be heartbreaking - sounds kinda like a relationship to me...

true, but the players ain't bangin their fans.. maybe a few fans, but not all the fans ;)

[shaolinmonk]

it's funny how some of you have labeled me as a Lebron lover... i think it's mostly due to the fact that these same ppl HATE Lebron. and to them, if you don't HATE Lebron, you must be a fanboy.

there are athletes that i like TO WATCH PLAY, but that's it. i don't care about their personalities. they're professional athletes ffs.

some of you are here to defend Nash, but i think most of you are here to justify your hate for Lebron.

Like Mike i want to be like Mike (great PR even though he's the biggest jerk in the sports world lol)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0AGiq9j_Ak

[kennyhohoho]

he's overpaid if that's what lebron is making lol

His salary is in line with the other PFs on his calibre on other teams. Lebron is underpaid, considering he's the best player in the league.

[nineiron]

Like Mike i want to be like Mike (great PR even though he's the biggest jerk in the sports world lol)



i wouldn't be surprised if he was the biggest jerk in sports.

i still remember that playoffs against the Pacers when he was complaining about an "obvious foul" and kept goin on about it even at the post game presser. i was like "are you f'n kidding me?".. dude gets GIFTED free throws every time he misses a bucket, but then complains about not getting a call? (in reality the replay showed he tripped by himself)

[nineiron]

His salary is in line with the other PFs on his calibre on other teams. Lebron is underpaid, considering he's the best player in the league.

their hate for Lebron will not allow them to understand this..

[nineiron]

I think LBJ has incited sort of the similar love him or hate him opinions that Kobe (used to?) get...

But no one can deny his talents.

dude, Kobe (probably) raped a girl. why do ppl hate Lebron again?

[kennyhohoho]

I think LBJ has incited sort of the similar love him or hate him opinions that Kobe (used to?) get...

But no one can deny his talents.

I for one applaud him for that TV special, even though I never saw it.

GMs are absolutely relentless when it comes time to trading away players if they think they can get something better in return, so why shouldn't players be relentless too, given the chance?

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

[shaolinmonk]

His salary is in line with the other PFs on his calibre on other teams. Lebron is underpaid, considering he's the best player in the league.

semantics lol

love bosh-o-saurus can't wait for them to win more championships

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7251/7419352926_798fc8d67c_o.gif

[nineiron]

I for one applaud him for that TV special, even though I never saw it.

GMs are absolutely relentless when it comes time to trading away players if they think they can get something better in return, so why shouldn't players be relentless too, given the chance?

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

i saw it. it was kinda exciting.. i thought he was gonna say New York... (i didn't know about the friendship with Wade and Bosh till after)

a lot of ppl here kept saying "Nash doesn't owe Toronto (or Canada) anything"

well, wtf does Lebron owe the Cavaliers?

[spena]

well, wtf does Lebron owe the Cavaliers?
He could have left in good terms. after all cavs did draft him, threw alot of money at him and the city worship him like a god.

[nineiron]

He could have left in good terms. after all cavs did draft him, threw alot of money at him and the city worship him like a god.

so what you're saying is that if Lebron never did the tv announcement, the Cleveland fans would have been ok with him leaving?

[kennyhohoho]

He could have left in good terms. after all cavs did draft him, threw alot of money at him and the city worship him like a god.

Likewise, the franchise was a complete joke before him, and is a complete joke after him. He singlehandedly gave them 7 years of relevance. Not a lot of gratitude shown for those 7 years.

Everyone knew before he went to Miami that he was going to leave. The only question was to which team. The Cavs front office let his contract expire and let him leave for nothing. Their own fault.

[shaolinmonk]

Likewise, the franchise was a complete joke before him, and is a complete joke after him. He singlehandedly gave them 7 years of relevance. Not a lot of gratitude shown for those 7 years.

Everyone knew before he went to Miami that he was going to leave. The only question was to which team. The Cavs front office let his contract expire and let him leave for nothing. Their own fault.

The team was pretty good during the Mark Price era.. (Nance, Daugherty, and Price) sadly nobody had a chance with MJ around

[nineiron]

Likewise, the franchise was a complete joke before him, and is a complete joke after him. He singlehandedly gave them 7 years of relevance. Not a lot of gratitude shown for those 7 years.

Everyone knew before he went to Miami that he was going to leave. The only question was to which team. The Cavs front office let his contract expire and let him leave for nothing. Their own fault.

it's easier for the haters to just blame Lebron. let's just forget that Lebron gave the Cavs their ONLY Conference title and 2 of their 3 Division titles.

[spena]

it's easier for the haters to just blame Lebron. let's just forget that Lebron gave the Cavs their ONLY Conference title and 2 of their 3 Division titles.
is that why he went on a nationalized show and embarrassed the city of cleveland just to annouce where he is going to play?

[nineiron]

is that why he went on a nationalized show and embarrassed the city of cleveland just to annouce where he is going to play?

how did he "embarass" the city of Cleveland?

[kennyhohoho]

is that why he went on a nationalized show and embarrassed the city of cleveland just to annouce where he is going to play?

The city of Cleveland embarassed themselves, by burning jerseys and declaring Lebron the greatest villain since Hitler after he left for South Beach. Just goes to show that without Lebron, that city has abolutely nothing.

The national news outlets ran with the story, replayed the few seconds of "The Decision" where he said he was moving to South Beach, and the rally in Miami over and over again. And then the Darth Vader of the sports world was born.

Anyone else remember during the finals, in OKC, how during the Heat's player intros, they played the evil empire music from Star Wars? I thought it was pretty awesome :lol:

[ji2o0k]

Lebron has made a few mistakes in the past and how he behaved/acted, to which he has admitted....he said stuff like the below that pissed people off:


Because at the end of the day, all the people that was rooting on me to fail, at the end of the day they have to wake up tomorrow and have the same life that they had before they woke up today. They have the same personal problems they had today. I’m going to continue to live the way I want to live and continue to do the things that I want to do with me and my family and be happy with that. They can get a few days or a few months or whatever the case may be on being happy about not only myself, but the Miami Heat not accomplishing their goal, but they have to get back to the real world at some point.”

Some people might take offense to what he said as it is written...but depending on his tone of voice and the context of the entire interview, he might not be putting people down....

Lebron grew up a lot from last year losing to the Mavs...he has admitted as much....he has become more humble and has shown in this year's playoffs what is required to win a championship and how to carry a team and become focused at winning....he was unstoppable and playing otherworldly in the playoffs against the Celts and OKC...

I think the loss to the Mavs was a really good thing for him and helped in his growth as a person and as a player....without it, he wouldn't have realized how to win and how to conduct himself....


people still hating on him need to give it up....

[nineiron]

Lebron has made a few mistakes in the past and how he behaved/acted, to which he has admitted....he said stuff like the below that pissed people off:



Some people might take offense to what he said as it is written...but depending on his tone of voice and the context of the entire interview, he might not be putting people down....

Lebron grew up a lot from last year losing to the Mavs...he has admitted as much....he has become more humble and has shown in this year's playoffs what is required to win a championship and how to carry a team and become focused at winning....he was unstoppable and playing otherworldly in the playoffs against the Celts and OKC...

I think the loss to the Mavs was a really good thing for him and helped in his growth as a person and as a player....without it, he wouldn't have realized how to win and how to conduct himself....


people still hating on him need to give it up....

ya, i read that statement before. it's in response to all the hate he was getting and how ppl relished in the fact that Miami didn't win that year. they pissed him off and look what he did ;)

i don't think there's anything wrong with what he said. everyone has their own personal problems.

why didn't ppl boo and root against Shaq after he made that racist remark about Yao Ming? instead they gave him a job to be an analyst on network television.

and to those of you who hate Lebron cuz you think he's "cocky".. MJ may have been the COCKIEST player to ever play in the nba. and what about Muhammed Ali? ppl loved him and you won't ever see a person as cocky as he was.

[ji2o0k]

if anyone deserves public backlash, it would be Dwight Howard...

Orlando Magic fans should be burning his jerseys and protesting in the streets the way the guy has yo-yo'd all of last season if he wanted to stay or go, all the drama he caused on and off the court with his coach, coaching staff and team management and what he is doing this offseason...

If I was Magic management, I would be pissed.....the guy needs to make up his mind and stick to playing bball...

[TheRealVinsanity]

I totally agree. If Dwight Howard simply didn't opt-in this past season (and I still haven no idea why he did), he would be FREE to go to any team he wants.

[kennyhohoho]

I totally agree. If Dwight Howard simply didn't opt-in this past season (and I still haven no idea why he did), he would be FREE to go to any team he wants.

:lol:
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