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cheapmeister
Jul 12th, 2012, 07:10 PM
It took Sydney Walters six years to figure out why his Woodbridge home stayed so hot in the summer, so cold in the winter and was full of mould – the nine-year-old semi-detached house had no insulation in the attic.

And with temperatures set to top 30C Thursday and Friday he says he and his family will probably spend nights in a tent they have erected in the backyard.

Walters has sued the builder and the city, which sparked a domino effect: the city is suing the builder, and the builder is suing the insulation installers and the city, each saying the other should pay if a judge rules in Walters’s favour.

None the allegations in the lawsuits have been proven in court.

But amid the all the lawsuits, Walters just wants to know who will foot the $370,000 bill to make his house livable again.

“Everybody’s blaming everybody,” says Walters, who lives in the house with his girlfriend, their 13-year-old son, and her in-laws. “And they’ve just put us through hell.”

Walters admits he was naïve when he agreed to buy the home from its original owners in late November 2004. As a rookie homebuyer he never thought to hire an independent home inspector to ensure a house built two years earlier was up to code.

And as someone dealing for the first time with utility bills, he says he had no clue monthly $400 heating bills weren’t normal.

But as other problems mounted he began to suspect the house had serious defects.

In the winter, he says, his house was the only one in the development with no snow on the roof. When he would crank up the furnace, the heat would escape though the top of the house, melting snow and causing leaks.

In the summer, even with air conditioning, his house is unbearably hot, while standing moisture has allowed mould to grow rapidly, Walters says. He believes simply spending time inside is a health hazard, and both mould specialists and Walters’ family doctor have told him staying in the home is unsafe for the family.

He says he enlisted several contractors over the years to determine the root of the problems but none of thought to look in the attic until March 2011, when a contractor discovered it lacked insulation.

None of the parties involved disputes the attic is bare.

In April 2011 the city of Vaughan ordered Walters to install insulation to bring his house up to code, and representatives from the builders, Villa Royale Homes, inspected the attic and found no insulation there.

But nobody can agree on who is at fault.

Through a Freedom of Information Act search Walters unearthed a document showing the city inspector who pronounced the house fit for sale in 2002 noted insulation in the first and second floors but said nothing about the attic.

In $500,000 lawsuit filed in January, Walters blames Villa Royale for not installing insulation and the city of Vaughan because a city-employed inspector seems to have failed to catch the builder’s alleged mistake.

“I don’t think there’s anything malicious, I just think he didn’t (inspect the attic),” says Ronald Birken, the lawyer representing Walters in the suit. “Everyone wants to pass the buck to everyone else.”

The city disputes Walters’s claims but has filed a cross claim against Villa Royale for not insulating the attic.

“The failure to place insulation, if a latent defect, was wholly the fault of the builder, Villa Royale,” the statement of claim reads.

Villa Royale vice president John Defilippis says the entire lawsuit is Walters’ laughable attempt to force others to pay to fix a problem he could have solved years ago.

“How could you be living there for five years and not know there’s no insulation in the house?” he says. “I can’t wait to see what the outcome (of the court case) is going to be but I’ll tell you one thing: it’s very funny. Very funny.”

Walters and his lawyer see no humour in the situation.

They allege mould in the house has triggered health problems for everyone living there, including asthma and serious allergies. Birken says the dollar amount of the lawsuit may rise if tests determine Walters and his family have suffered lasting physical damage.

According to a contractor hired by Walters, repairing the damage caused by years of unchecked mould growth would cost $370,000, or roughly $50,000 more than Walters paid for the house.

Defilippis, however, remains skeptical of Walters’ claims and in a phone interview with the Star insisted that insulation had indeed been in place in the attic of the home. He speculated a contractor hired either by Walters or the home’s original owner had removed it.

Defilippis was equally adamant that his company was neither being sued by the city of Vaughan, nor suing Maple Drywall, the company hired to install the insulation.

“We’re not suing the drywall company because they haven’t done anything wrong,” he says.

But a statement of claim in Villa Royale’s cross suit against Maple alleges Maple “failed to install insulation and all related components according to the Ontario Building Code and/or in accordance with acceptable industry standards.”

Maple Drywall did not respond to the Star at press time.

Birken says there is no timeline on settling these lawsuits, and isn’t sure when – or if – any of them will go to trial.

Meanwhile, Walters and his family spend as little time as possible indoors. If Walters has to sleep inside instead of in the backyard tent, he uses a couch next to an open window in the living room.

“Why are we paying for a house?” he says. “Toronto puts out a heat alert, and my house is even hotter.”

http://www.thestar.com/business/article/1225184--homeowners-swelter-in-backyard-tent-amid-heated-insulation-dispute
-link has video of the owner living in a tent.



Now this guy is paying a mortgage on a house he cannot live in. He needs $370k to make his house livable, but for now he is living in a tent in his backyard. I dunno what they will do when winter comes, move into the garage? Are the builders 'Villa Royal homes' any good? So what would you do if this happened to you? What do you think he should do?

mbg
Jul 12th, 2012, 07:13 PM
Unless he has a really good tent, he'll eventually get mould problems in there too if he's housing a son, girlfriend, and in-laws in the one tent.

sylpherware
Jul 12th, 2012, 07:32 PM
...he never thought to hire an independent home inspector...

fail.

45ED
Jul 12th, 2012, 07:33 PM
...he never thought to hire an independent home inspector...
fail.
...what the?

_Allan_
Jul 12th, 2012, 08:39 PM
First time home buyer. Should have had Sandra Riminato at his side (Property Virgin's on HGTV). NOW he should call Milk Holme's and see if Mike can "make it right."

cheapmeister
Jul 12th, 2012, 08:42 PM
.he never thought to hire an independent home inspector...


fail.


...what the?

He didn't have a home inspection done, so what? The semi was only 2 yrs old when he bought it. Now why do I say, so what? Well look at what happened at Elliot Lake. The mall collapsed, and guess what.....they had an inspection done recently which deemed the mall safe. Yet it collapsed, and 2 peeps died in spite of having an inspection. They were also reporting this week that the dust had asbestos in it at the sight of the mall collapse, so now whoever was at the site and inhaled the dust might get cancer. Another fail on top of fail.

transitguy1
Jul 12th, 2012, 08:48 PM
He didn't have a home inspection done, so what? The semi was only 2 yrs old when he bought it. Now why do I say, so what? Well look at what happened at Elliot Lake. The mall collapsed, and guess what.....they had an inspection done recently which deemed the mall safe. Yet it collapsed, and 2 peeps died in spite of having an inspection. They were also reporting this week that the dust had asbestos in it at the sight of the mall collapse, so now whoever was at the site and inhaled the dust might get cancer. Another fail on top of fail.

It seems everything in this country is doomed to fail, despite inspections.

Oh well. Feel right at home (3rd world Canada)

tsat
Jul 12th, 2012, 09:00 PM
He didn't have a home inspection done, so what? The semi was only 2 yrs old when he bought it. Now why do I say, so what? Well look at what happened at Elliot Lake. The mall collapsed, and guess what.....they had an inspection done recently which deemed the mall safe. Yet it collapsed, and 2 peeps died in spite of having an inspection. They were also reporting this week that the dust had asbestos in it at the sight of the mall collapse, so now whoever was at the site and inhaled the dust might get cancer. Another fail on top of fail.

Ready to have your mind blown?

If you're over 20 years old you've likely already been exposed to asbestos.

Unclebeuford
Jul 12th, 2012, 09:21 PM
$370k for a mould problem in a semi detached home? I am glad my fully detached home only costed me $130k.

mbg
Jul 12th, 2012, 10:22 PM
$370k for a mould problem in a semi detached home? I am glad my fully detached home only costed me $130k.

+1

Might as well knock the house down and build a new one. A big chunk of the house value is the land, anyway. At least in the GTA. Maybe not in Russell, Ontario :)

Ottomaddox
Jul 12th, 2012, 10:40 PM
Something just doesn't add up here. If he was getting leaks in the winter because of the melting snow, wouldn't someone have looked at the attic, even if it was just to look at the bottom of the roof? I find it really hard to believe that the attic wasn't examined for 7ish years.

Engi-Nir
Jul 12th, 2012, 11:14 PM
“Everybody’s blaming everybody,” says Walters, who lives in the house with his girlfriend, their 13-year-old son, and her in-laws. “And they’ve just put us through hell.”

I am confused, is gf ex-husband's parents or walter's parents haha

hugh_da_man
Jul 13th, 2012, 03:25 AM
Villa Royale vice president John Defilippis says the entire lawsuit is Walters’ laughable attempt to force others to pay to fix a problem he could have solved years ago.

“How could you be living there for five years and not know there’s no insulation in the house?” he says. “I can’t wait to see what the outcome (of the court case) is going to be but I’ll tell you one thing: it’s very funny. Very funny.”

The VP should be careful. You should stand behind the work you do and you shouldn't comment on any of this stuff until you figure out that the problem wasn't your fault. Saying it's funny and the person could've solved it years ago is in poor taste and a lot of first time home buyers feel safer buying new because they think the builder will build them a perfect house. According to the VP's comments, you're pretty much guaranteed that this builder doesn't care about anything and it's up to the home owner to make sure the builder didn't screw up.

duckdown
Jul 13th, 2012, 03:42 AM
This "vice president" is making himself and his entire company look like an absolute joke. That's the only funny part of the story as far as I can tell

Sounds like an absolute scumbag

Supercooled
Jul 13th, 2012, 04:25 AM
This "vice president" is making himself and his entire company look like an absolute joke. That's the only funny part of the story as far as I can tell

Sounds like an absolute scumbag
Remember rhe name well. wonr be buying from them for sure.

sandikosh
Jul 13th, 2012, 06:03 AM
Look at the bright side. Sleeping outdoors gives him and his family to breathe fresh air!

sylpherware
Jul 13th, 2012, 02:49 PM
He didn't have a home inspection done, so what? The semi was only 2 yrs old when he bought it. Now why do I say, so what?

"Inspection" != "Invincible". I wouldn't skip inspection no matter what the age of the house is. My buddy bought a house while it was still under construction, but he still hired an inspector after completion to make sure everything was up to the code.

A competent inspector will also tell you what he can and cannot see, and warn you about potential problems. Clearly the inspector for Elliot Lake mall was incompetent and/or building management just didn't care.

Muney
Jul 13th, 2012, 03:15 PM
Caveat Emptor. If the dude was stupid enough to buy a house without a proper inspection, then tough titty for him. Crappy situation, but it could have been avoided if he did what he was supposed to do.

spike1128
Jul 13th, 2012, 03:17 PM
This guy really need Homles on Homes to come save him. Like he did when he did a tore down one time and built it custom.

ovechkin1
Jul 13th, 2012, 05:52 PM
Must be horrible for the guy to be waiting for these slow courts to make a decision. If I were him I would keep refinancing the house and borrowing money against it, until there was no equity in it, then go bankrupt, let the bank take that!

mbg
Jul 13th, 2012, 07:27 PM
This guy really need Homles on Homes to come save him. Like he did when he did a tore down one time and built it custom.

Mike Holmes would want to tear down the tent as well.

VonMatterhorn
Jul 13th, 2012, 08:05 PM
Very irresponsible and negligent on part of the builder, I hope Walters wins the lawsuit.

menaknow
Jul 13th, 2012, 08:43 PM
Villa Royale vice president John Defilippis says the entire lawsuit is Walters’ laughable attempt to force others to pay to fix a problem he could have solved years ago.

“How could you be living there for five years and not know there’s no insulation in the house?” he says. “I can’t wait to see what the outcome (of the court case) is going to be but I’ll tell you one thing: it’s very funny. Very funny.”


This statement really REALLY pisses me off...

Makes you hope this goes viral and the whole world knows what a scumbag this douche is...

bluetea
Jul 14th, 2012, 01:28 AM
Why would there be mould at all? The house is harder to heat and cool due to the lack of insulation, but mould? It's got nothing to do with attic insulation?

M1K3Z0R
Jul 15th, 2012, 05:12 PM
Why would there be mould at all? The house is harder to heat and cool due to the lack of insulation, but mould? It's got nothing to do with attic insulation?

Because of the condensation that occurs due to the sharp temperature gradient on non-insulated surfaces. Mold spores are always around us in the air in some concentration, and will grow and multiply when given a moist environment.

Simaahoy
Jul 16th, 2012, 10:40 AM
There are families that end up sleeping on the streets each night and struggling to make ends meet. I don't see why is this news?

cheapmeister
Jul 16th, 2012, 12:20 PM
There are families that end up sleeping on the streets each night and struggling to make ends meet. I don't see why is this news?
Those families can apply for low income housing. This man cannot. As a matter of fact he has gotten no help or compensation from the builder.

ssainani
Jul 16th, 2012, 12:32 PM
not what anyone here will want to read (or accept)

if this person is so inept and unable to take care of things -- maybe they shouldn't be owning a house.

M1K3Z0R
Jul 16th, 2012, 01:05 PM
not what anyone here will want to read (or accept)

if this person is so inept and unable to take care of things -- maybe they shouldn't be owning a house.

Why blame the victim all of a sudden? The home was clearly not up to code and the builder and/or previous homeowner was negligent for not disclosing or rectifying the problem upon sale.

As for the inspector missing the code violation, mistakes do happen, but that doesn't excuse the city from being responsible. Someone signed off on the inspection and should be held accountable.

ssainani
Jul 16th, 2012, 01:14 PM
Why blame the victim all of a sudden? The home was clearly not up to code and the builder and/or previous homeowner was negligent for not disclosing or rectifying the problem upon sale.

As for the inspector missing the code violation, mistakes do happen, but that doesn't excuse the city from being responsible. Someone signed off on the inspection and should be held accountable.

He lived in this house for 8 years

in the past 8 years had he done any bit of investigative work he would have had no problem. The house being full of mold didnt happen overnight. Maybe the home was missing the insulation ... but he lived in it for almost a decade knowing only his roof had melting snow. In the 10 years he could not go up the attic and see wtf was going on?

Part of owning a home is knowing what to do when it's not perfect.

divx
Jul 16th, 2012, 01:49 PM
this is such an epic fail, how did the builder manage to forget about something as major as this?

M1K3Z0R
Jul 16th, 2012, 02:19 PM
He lived in this house for 8 years

in the past 8 years had he done any bit of investigative work he would have had no problem. The house being full of mold didnt happen overnight. Maybe the home was missing the insulation ... but he lived in it for almost a decade knowing only his roof had melting snow. In the 10 years he could not go up the attic and see wtf was going on?

Part of owning a home is knowing what to do when it's not perfect.

I can see your point, and there were plenty of indications that there was something wrong, but as the article stated the people he hired didn't find the problem either. It is easy to assume he could have done it himself, but not everyone is an knowledgeable and/or capable of such things (which is partially why we have qualified tradespeople to help). When you buy a home you expect everything has been done properly, and if an inspector signed off on it then even better. Then again, as we've seen with the Sudbury Mall collapse, it's too easy to place too much trust in those who are supposed to be more qualified.


this is such an epic fail, how did the builder manage to forget about something as major as this?

Probably cost cutting measures, but I wouldn't be surprised if they simply forgot about it. These cookie cutter homes in subdivisions are built with speed and quantity, not too hard for something to go overlooked, it's as simple as a rescheduled job that falls through and is forgotten.

mikey4644
Jul 18th, 2012, 08:27 AM
He lived in this house for 8 years

in the past 8 years had he done any bit of investigative work he would have had no problem. The house being full of mold didnt happen overnight. Maybe the home was missing the insulation ... but he lived in it for almost a decade knowing only his roof had melting snow. In the 10 years he could not go up the attic and see wtf was going on?

Part of owning a home is knowing what to do when it's not perfect.

You have lost all credibility in your argument because you cannot correctly read.

kingofwale
Jul 18th, 2012, 08:46 AM
Am I the only one here thinking the 300K+ cost for 'repair' is just slightly over-estimated??

I was thinking of doing a flip a few years back, Completely turn down most interior of the house, and fix the mould, ants problem. I was quoted 90K.

I backed out of it because it's just too much work (now I wish I had bought it).

ever1221
Jul 18th, 2012, 09:20 AM
it is simply and easily the builders fault,,,and I laugh at ones who are saying other wise...clearly you lack common sense.

cheapmeister
Jul 18th, 2012, 05:38 PM
The guy must have died it yesterdays heatwave!

express.items
Jul 19th, 2012, 11:55 AM
Did the previous owner (of 2 years) have similar issues?

nwilliams
Jul 19th, 2012, 12:17 PM
There's got to be more to this story than the guy is letting on

"In the winter, he says, his house was the only one in the development with no snow on the roof. When he would crank up the furnace, the heat would escape though the top of the house, melting snow and causing leaks."

Why is my house always cold? Why is my house the only house without snow on the roof? Not exactly a huge leap.

But, let's say he really is that dumb - everyone he knows would also have to be THAT DUMB in order for nobody to have ever associated a snow free roof with heat escaping! Not only that, but every contractor he ever (allegedly) hired would also have to be THAT DUMB.

Now, I've never been to Woodbridge, so I can't know for sure, but for that to be true the population would have to have a seriously disproportionate % of idiots than anywhere I've ever been. So, is that more likely, or is it more likely that facts are being withheld from this story?

The builder needs to hire a PR person to avoid looking like a villain here (that quote won't do them any favours), but they're right to laugh @ this guy.

Tarion warranties give you all the time in the world to discover these issues - I can't even begin to guess why the original owners never did anything under the 30day/1yr inspections, but the reality is that builders make mistakes - buying a new house is not like buying a new car, it's not coming off the production line. Mistakes, oversights etc are expected, and that's why the Tarion warranty has checkup dates built in. At that time, the builder would have been responsible to fix their error.

But since then, the builder has gotten sign off from the original owners saying things are fine, so it would be pretty unfair to charge them for all the damage done by years and years of home owner negligence.

At best, he could sue the original owners for not disclosing the issue, but good luck proving that...they were there for a lot shorter time that it took you to figure it out, and if they'd known about it, they could have also had it repaired for free under Tarion.