The smartest kids are from Brampton

[cheapmeister]

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When Priya Gupta’s father picked her up from her job at Camp Caboose in Brampton, he told her she wasn’t going to believe the news.

“I thought we’d won the lottery or something because he was tearing up,” said Gupta. “It was crazy.”

In fact, he’d just gotten a call that Gupta was one of four graduating students at Turner Fenton Secondary School to earn a 100 per cent average. The others are Himanshu Gupta, Jeet Mehta and Prachi Singh.

Most years, there one or two students who get 100 per cent in their final year, but as far as the Peel District School Board knows, never so many from one school before.

How did they do it? Lots of hard work and determination, said Gupta.

The 18-year-old said she began studying for her May exams in late March, putting in three or four hours a night.

“I had a study schedule and just kept focused. I know a lot of people tend to lose their focus after a few weeks of studying, and it is hard, but if you set your goals high, they’re definitely achievable,” said Gupta, who will go to McMaster University in Hamilton to study health sciences in the fall.

Jeet Mehta, 17, said he didn’t expect to do so well.

“I personally don’t know how I did it,” he said, laughing. Mehta said he got the call last week while eating ice cream and relaxing, and had to wait a few minutes to let it sink in before calling his family to tell them the news.

“They were shocked,” said Mehta, who got “average” grades in middle school that started creeping up as he went through secondary school.

But he said he has a consistent work ethic, doing his school work before going out with friends or trawling Facebook.

“Maybe that’s something that teenagers my age don’t do, but other than that, there’s no real answer to my results.”

Prachi Singh said she had an epiphany in Grade 10, that there was more to life than marks. Since then, she “studies smart, not hard.” And, she said, she seems to learn faster, better and easier now that she doesn’t fret about it so much.

If there’s one piece of advice the 18-year-old would give to others, it’s that “you don’t have to kill yourself to do well in high school,” said Singh, who is entering engineering at the University of Toronto in the fall. “You shouldn’t be that stressed out.”

Himanshu Gupta, meanwhile, set his sights on a perfect average at the beginning of the school year, setting up visual reminders on his computer to keep himself on track, and studying three to four hours a day.

When he found out he’d made it, he was both shocked and happy.

“I set my goal and achieved it, so now I know that this works,” said Gupta, 18.

In Peel district, 3,955 students this year had averages of 80 per cent or higher. Nearly 1,800 students attend Turner Fenton.

With files from Kris Rushowy

So there you have it, the smartest kids in brampton, with the 4 of them earning a 100% average for the year. This schools in brampton must have really good teachers too. Looks like there is going to be some successful peeps coming out of brampton in the future. How does this compare to the rest of the GTA?

[danfromwaterloo]

http://i.thestar.com/images/d8/5a/80f5a3c8494eb5a4a55a21a2ecff.jpg


So there you have it, the smartest kids in brampton, with the 4 of them earning a 100% average for the year. This schools in brampton must have really good teachers too. Looks like there is going to be some successful peeps coming out of brampton in the future. How does this compare to the rest of the GTA?

All four from the same school. Coincidence?

[Syne]

Two Guptas. What are the odds?

If I had ever came home with 100% on something, my mom would be proud but she'd probably also tell me to get a life.

[jaxx lite]

Their plan was to get scholarships and leave home as soon as possible
= smart

Tell your kids
scholarship= your ticket to freedom

:idea:

[ronin1701]

All four from the same school. Coincidence?

Do you mean that in a "wow, they must have great teachers there" way, or in a "standards must be so low that they're just giving it away" way?

[kanaha21]

Well hopefully they have a lot of EC's, volunteer work and social lives to go with those marks.

[Junigenmukyoku]

Good for these kids, they'll get some nice scholarships from the places they apply to.

However, imo high school marks aren't really something to be amazed about.

[umop]

in before angry underachieving white people tell these kids they need to party more

[Xiaohaibao]

Indians are smart, that country is gonna be a serious threat when it gets richer.

[LaserEnvy]

Do you have something against South Asians or just brown people in general? Every time a thread about South Asians come, you resort to stupid comments like such.

No, I do not. It is just my observation.

[tsat]

Do you mean that in a "wow, they must have great teachers there" way, or in a "standards must be so low that they're just giving it away" way?

It's like the literacy tests... Averages aren't going up, the test is just getting easier. Four people from the same school getting %100 average is one hell of a "coincidence"... wink wink, nudge nudge.

If the smart kids were in brampton they'd tell their parents how to drive.

[ibeblunt]

I got straight As in a Brampton high school before and I`m no Einstein lol.....not trying to take anything from these kids but just to give a little perspective.

[Corleone187]

so the easiest teachers are in Brampton? :D

[flexwong]

There should be a standardized test at the end of grade 12, just like the SAT's in the USA. Helps weed out schools that give out marks too easily. Not saying that this is the case, but 4 students in one school getting 100% averages? Just seems kinda off. I'm sure they all worked hard but a standardized test would be nice.

[trixstar]

something fishy is going on.. 4 kids the same ethnic background getting 100% which also happens to be in brampton, and one of them happens to be a sister of the other.. Hmmmm...

[No Frills]

Should I hire them in another 10 years?

[ed116]

id like to see them take an exam in a.y jackson :P when i got 50% in grade 11 physics from that school and went to a scarboro school (norman bethune) thenext year i got 88% in physics grade 12 uni both of them lol so it doesnt mean anything and its brampton not toronto

[xlc_88]

I always read these news with a grain of salt. I don't believe anyone can score perfect on every English essay.

[Rainne]

It should be impossible to get 100% in English.

English is extremely subjective and requires vast imagination/insight synthesized with coherence and technicality. Getting 100% would mean you're perfect, which is a contradiction to English itself.

[stanleylai]

It should be impossible to get 100% in English.

English is extremely subjective and requires vast imagination/insight synthesized with coherence and technicality. Getting 100% would mean you're perfect, which is a contradiction to English itself.

I remember a teacher who tried to give a student 105% on their report card, but the system wouldn't let her. Said he got perfect in everything including bonuses.

[tsat]

I remember a teacher who tried to give a student 105% on their report card, but the system wouldn't let her. Said he got perfect in everything including bonuses.

Student was probably very good at oral work the teacher assigned.

[supermetroid]

How does one get 100% in English?

[rageking]

What I find interesting is that none of them are studying at the Ivy league schools in the US in the fall. If truly you are the top 0.1% in Ontario then you should be applying to harvard and would get in without too much trouble. I bet some of them already took the SAT and only got middling scores.

[nasa25]

Student was probably very good at oral work the teacher assigned.

Dafuq?

[chinesedevil]

How does one get 100% in English?

hax

[Katchemash]

Typical. Posters from European background and other ethnic groups are jealous.

[Junigenmukyoku]

How does one get 100% in English?

Good question. lol

[trixstar]

Definitely a group oral presentation to the teachers. Notice how all of their mouths are slightly open?

[jp06]

Typical. Posters from European background and other ethnic groups are jealous.

No one's jealous... it's just that highschool is not really a big deal. It may get you a scholarship, but the real test comes when you get to University to see HOW you match up against others.

[xlc_88]

Typical. Posters from European background and other ethnic groups are jealous.

Please tell us how students can get 100% in English.

[stealth]

Smartest? I doubt it....if we willing to believe that some ethnic groups that are predominantly in certain areas are the smartest, an we have to believe that others ethnic groups predominantly in other areas are the dumbest....so much for everyone being created equal ;)
Therefore racists might be correct.


But it is plausible that some may be socialized to be better disciplined, have better work ethics, and maybe spend less time on frivolous nonacademic activities.

[stealth]

Please tell us how students can get 100% in English.

I dunno... I suppose by doing the required work, and basically agreeing/mimicking/regurgitating everything the teacher says.

I also wouldn't rule out the possibility that if a student is consistently a high achiever in most subjects, there could be some indirect pressure for another teacher to give them grades in line with the others as long as they were strong performers as well. Until the day comes when teachers mark essays, assignments, reports etc blindly, there is always the possibility of bias.

In HS I dated a girl for quite awhile who was in the top 3 of her grade every year.
She never seemed exceptionally smart to me. Not saying she was inferior either...she was about as smart as anyone, but you wouldn't have been impressed by it if you met her. Came across as more of an 80% er than a 98%er. She just had a greater tolerance for boredom than most teenagers.

[gdog799]

Its impossible to get 100% in some classes, such as english. How could they possibly get 100 in english??

[zz000ter]

So there you have it, the smartest kids in brampton, with the 4 of them earning a 100% average for the year. This schools in brampton must have really good teachers too. Looks like there is going to be some successful peeps coming out of brampton in the future. How does this compare to the rest of the GTA?

Brampton

I guess you were not one of the smartest



Typical. Posters from European background and other ethnic groups are jealous.

Who built this country that everyone wants to immigrate to ???
EUROPEANS

So - it is people from the Third World that are jealous and immigrated here

[Lawcheehung]

The school's ranked 231/718.

http://ontario.compareschoolrankings.org/secondary/SchoolsByRankLocationName.aspx

[wilsonlam97]

The school's ranked 231/718.

http://ontario.compareschoolrankings.org/secondary/SchoolsByRankLocationName.aspx

Lol the people at Fraser Institute lack creativity. Look at that slogan.

[wilsonlam97]

There is a parent income and grades correlation lol

[Junigenmukyoku]

The school's ranked 231/718.

http://ontario.compareschoolrankings.org/secondary/SchoolsByRankLocationName.aspx

Damn, my high school's rank is 321 and here I thought we were special because we had a gifted program. lol

[Lawcheehung]

Lol the people at Fraser Institute lack creativity. Look at that slogan.

Who knows how they determine a school's ranking, I do see newspapers referencing them often though. Anyways, I'm just throwing in their ranking for a little 'food for thought'. :)

[Longobongo]

lol damn, my high school was ranked 84, no wonder it was so popular when I was trying to enroll back in the day...

I also went to another high school and it ranked 208 and it was horrible.


The school's ranked 231/718.

http://ontario.compareschoolrankings.org/secondary/SchoolsByRankLocationName.aspx

[umop]

Bottom 20, woop woop!

[Kunman]

Indians are smart, that country is gonna be a serious threat when it gets richer.

however, i've heard that many major companies dont have physical presence in India but instead contract the work out to domestic Indian companies.

I think this is happening due to difference in culture :/ not sure

[peanutz]

I went to a high school ranked in the 30's. :D

[Kunman]

I went to a high school ranked in the 30's. :D

pshhh...top 5

[wilsonlam97]

however, i've heard that many major companies dont have physical presence in India but instead contract the work out to domestic Indian companies.

I think this is happening due to difference in culture :/ not sure

Lol look at Google.

[LostInTruth]

A lot of jealous & ignorant people in here. The reality is these kids will have better prospects at getting accepted in good schools. They've worked hard throughout there highschool years and now that their about to enter university and become legal adults, they can now play hard as well. :twisted:

[trixstar]

A lot of jealous & ignorant people in here. The reality is these kids will have better prospects at getting accepted in good schools. They've worked hard throughout there highschool years and now that their about to enter university and become legal adults, they can now play hard as well. :twisted:

haha i went to rank 58 and rank 599

[stealth]

I went to a high school ranked in the 30's. :D

Me too....34.

But it's meaningless until universities start balancing grades against school averages in order to assess students.
But they won't, because it doesn't tell a clear story...a kid that does well in a bad school could have often easy pass on the curve, or maybe they bust their ***** to overcome challenges that their classmates didn't.

[zz000ter]

I went to 47/691

Mind you over the last 5 years it has been dropping fast

[Katchemash]

Surprisingly, the high school I went to is 84. I thought it would be so much worse because it sucked.

[Kunman]

Lol look at Google.

4 offices wow

i am going to guess they are manged by professionals who were hired locally :/?

[supermetroid]

I went to school 636/691. I always knew that school was ***** .

[djemzine]

Yes Brown/East Indian power!

[dragon_drift]

100% in English? That's a joke. My Highschool English department never gives out perfect marks.

[transitguy1]

Brampton

I guess you were not one of the smartest




Who built this country that everyone wants to immigrate to ???
EUROPEANS

So - it is people from the Third World that are jealous and immigrated here

You Europeans did a terrible job on the Hwy 401.
What a ***** job! lol

And now those 3rd worlders will make more babies and take over.
should they say thanks?

Besides, I don't think ALL europeans contributed, lol. It was just 1 or 2 places where people had to FLEEE from, and they ended up in Canada. Nothing big there.

Why don't the Europeans move back now that the EU is doing well :p

[RolandCouch]

It should be impossible to get 100% in English.

English is extremely subjective and requires vast imagination/insight synthesized with coherence and technicality. Getting 100% would mean you're perfect, which is a contradiction to English itself.

This.

[Abel4Life]

It should be impossible to get 100% in English.

English is extremely subjective and requires vast imagination/insight synthesized with coherence and technicality. Getting 100% would mean you're perfect, which is a contradiction to English itself.

+1. They had some help. Not that its a bad thing.

[Rehan]

It should be impossible to get 100% in English.

English is extremely subjective and requires vast imagination/insight synthesized with coherence and technicality. Getting 100% would mean you're perfect, which is a contradiction to English itself. 1) Many teachers give bonus marks for extra stuff.
2) Turner Fenton is an IB school (for all Region of Peel kids living north of the 401). I assume these kids are in IB, in which case their OSSD marks are based on their IB exam scores.... For example, an IB exam score of 7 (out of 7) could translate to a range of 96-100% in that subject. Whatever magic formula the school uses to convert IB marks to OSSD marks, it seems to give a big advantage to the top kids because it gives them perfect or near perfect marks. Turner Fenton is often the school with the student(s) receiving the highest marks in Peel Region.

[JAC]

But it's meaningless until universities start balancing grades against school averages in order to assess students.
But they won't, because it doesn't tell a clear story...a kid that does well in a bad school could have often easy pass on the curve, or maybe they bust their ***** to overcome challenges that their classmates didn't.

I'm fairly certain universities know how a high school ranks in terms of quality, and what a student's average really means.

[Xpwmata]

You Europeans did a terrible job on the Hwy 401.
HWY401? Thats random.

[aplayaz2000]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lp882hYo9w1qc3wuro1_400.jpg


agreed, Seguin is pretty smart

[blzn]

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Part of the culture? Enjoy your mediocre and ignorant life -.-


Dumb title for this thread, encourages flaming or trolling. You shouldn't get 100% in English as others have mentioned, hopefully they can keep up this work ethic for 4+ years of uni without getting burnt out.

[Rehan]

LOL @ baseless racist denial.

FWIW, the top student in Mississauga was also Indian and also from an IB school -- http://www.peel.edu.on.ca/media/news2002/20120712.htm

It was similar a few years ago, with two kids each from Turner Fenton and Glenforest getting 99.7%: http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/9111/peel-board-top-scholars-score-99-7-per-cent-graduate-from-prestigious-international-baccalaureate-program ... A year later, it was a Chinese (?) girl from Glenforest that got 100%: http://www.peel.edu.on.ca/media/news2002/080714.htm

[spike1128]

Man, you guys are all racist or something. Talking about paying off the teacher and such. I will be fair and just state it as it is. Getting 100% in high school doesn't mean anything without standard testing.

I don't think the newspaper should make it like it's a big deal. Marks doesn't mean jack. They might get a scholarship now and getting into university. Watch they lose that scholarship by barely passing 1st year engineering / 1st year life sciences, they will go back on being humble kids. This doesn't just go to these Peel region kids, it also apply to the kids who was on the Richmond hill/Vaughan newspaper.

The other poster is right. One can go into a elite school (high tests) to get only 70% on all subjects, but go into another crap school (easy tests) and come out with high 90s.

[LaserEnvy]

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You work in IT, don't you?

[nasa25]

Wonder if any of these 100% kids even mulled the possibility of Ivy League.

[stealth]

I'm fairly certain universities know how a high school ranks in terms of quality, and what a student's average really means.

Source?

[Katchemash]

*************

How abotu some proof with your racist rants.

[zz000ter]

They might get 100% academically - but they are all probably still virgins.

[Katchemash]

They might get 100% academically - but they are all probably still virgins.

Better than being whores like a certain group in Canada how kick out their kids at 18.

[toalan]

High school, who cares. If OAC was still around then it carries some weight, these kids get 100% for memorization and regurgitation.

[RolandCouch]

Better than being whores like a certain group in Canada how kick out their kids at 18.

Which group might that be?

[sleepyguy]

3-4 hrs /day? wow... really? man was lucky to get in that in a month back in the day, lol.

[laptopuser]

Better than being whores like a certain group in Canada how kick out their kids at 18.

kids need to learn and not be sheltered their entire lives and to make moves on their own. perfect example, i work with an indian guy who is really clueless about life in general. its hard for me to relate to him, since hes 29 and still lives with his parents. doesnt even know how to change a tire, since his dad pays for whatever needs fixing on his car, paid for his schooling (his dad chose his degree), probably pays for his designer clothes too.

by the way, caucasians dont kick their kids out at 18. they give them the option of leaving. instead of saying IM YOUR PARENT YOU CANT QUESTION ME, they realize that at 18 the child is beginning hteir journey towards becoming an adult and must start making decisions on their own. and they are welcome back at anytime, if theres financial hardships etc

[Purgatory]

haha i went to rank 58 and rank 599

Umm, my school didn't even make the list. I'm not shocked, though. :|

[Siskie]

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Part of the culture? Enjoy your mediocre and ignorant life -.-


Dumb title for this thread, encourages flaming or trolling. You shouldn't get 100% in English as others have mentioned, hopefully they can keep up this work ethic for 4+ years of uni without getting burnt out.

Call it whatever you want but I have had brown friends brag about lying on their resumes and in job interviews in order to get a job. I told them they're wrong for doing that but they saw nothing wrong with it.

Anyone know what these straight A students from Brampton scored on their driver's test? :lol:

[LaserEnvy]

Call it whatever you want but I have had brown friends brag about lying on their resumes and in job interviews in order to get a job. I told them they're wrong for doing that but they saw nothing wrong with it.

this problem is widespread in the IT and medical fields but no one talks about it openly out of fear of being labelled as racist

[Siskie]

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this problem is widespread in the IT and medical fields but no one talks about it openly out of fear of being labelled as racist

Thats such a load of crap. This IS something that should be talked about. Especially when there are people out there who are more deserving of the job and playing fair in the job market.

[JAC]

Source?

No source, just word of mouth from HS teachers.

But it's not difficult for unis to keep a database of student performance and correlate it with what HS they came out of. The real question is whether they share data.

[goodguy90]

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This is quite possibly one of the stupidest posts I've read on these forums.

[forthewinwin]

High school grades are nothing...


THere are people here with 95%+ averages who get crushed in university, or only to find that they're only average.

[goodguy90]

Thats such a load of crap. This IS something that should be talked about. Especially when there are people out there who are more deserving of the job and playing fair in the job market.

Then let's talk about. Nothing should be taboo to discuss, and if you have valid points, I might actually agree with you. So, what makes you attribute the actions of the individuals in question to the colour of their skin, or their ethnicity?

There seems to be a lot of negative sentiment towards Indians here. Whether this derives from some sort of implicit jealousy people harbour towards the success of Indo-Canadians or whether this stems from the negative stigma associated with immigration and the job market, I don't know. But it absolutely baffles me that people still think this way.

[RolandCouch]

High school grades are nothing...


THere are people here with 95%+ averages who get crushed in university, or only to find that they're only average.

+1.

I got drunk and played sports/video games all day in high school, had enough absences that I could have been kicked out of school, but because of my test marks/papers, I finished with a 93% average. High school is a joke and in the grand scheme of things it is relatively meaningless IMO whether you have a 70 average or 100.

[Junigenmukyoku]

Thats such a load of crap. This IS something that should be talked about. Especially when there are people out there who are more deserving of the job and playing fair in the job market.

lulz tell that to our politicians first.

[congeetime]

Call it whatever you want but I have had brown friends brag about lying on their resumes and in job interviews in order to get a job. I told them they're wrong for doing that but they saw nothing wrong with it.

Anyone know what these straight A students from Brampton scored on their driver's test? :lol:

How do you think ragusauce got that job at scotiabank? but its a common thing not only in the "Brown" community but asian community in general. Money over everything is the motto for a lot of people.
I think this whole 100% average is bs and just a publicity stunt by the school in an effort to get more students to enrol at that school.

[1xTiMeR]

Don't you guys realize that the HS ranking system is provided by the Fraser Institute... That list holds little truth or value!

[Xpwmata]

mods asleep at the wheel again? why isn't this thread locked?

[xlc_88]

Besides the 100% in English issue, the other issue is how can 4 graduating students from the SAME high school get 100%.

Only one made the right choice of applying to health sci at Mac. She's guaranteed to get into at least Mac's med school. ;)

Good luck to the one who applied to engineering at UofT. ;)

[fuzzy_avocado]

They pay someone like me to write their papers. :P

[fuzzy_avocado]

1) Many teachers give bonus marks for extra stuff.
2) Turner Fenton is an IB school (for all Region of Peel kids living north of the 401). I assume these kids are in IB, in which case their OSSD marks are based on their IB exam scores.... For example, an IB exam score of 7 (out of 7) could translate to a range of 96-100% in that subject. Whatever magic formula the school uses to convert IB marks to OSSD marks, it seems to give a big advantage to the top kids because it gives them perfect or near perfect marks. Turner Fenton is often the school with the student(s) receiving the highest marks in Peel Region.

What does IB stand for? I thought it was irritable bowel.

[Rehan]

What does IB stand for? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+does+IB+stand+for? (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+does+IB+stand+for%3F)

[wilsonlam97]

What does IB stand for? I thought it was irritable bowel.

I thought it was irritating brats.

[r1lee]

Lol at all the racist/jealous remarks.

Congratulations to the kids for scoring that. It means they'll enter a university of their choice and be gifted a better chance at succeeding.

Yes it doesn't really say much since there should be a standardized test, but scoring perfect takes a lot of hard work and no social life to achieve it. Common, 3-4hrs a night? Lol, I might do that a whole year and I still left high school as an honor student.

Academic achievement should be commended, but there is more to just being academically successful, our society runs on social communication and I'm sure these kids lack, big time. They'll probably go on doing something that doesn't involve much social interaction, like a pharmacist, medical research etc.

Congrats to the kids, east Indians are very bright because theyre able to put effort in areas some us lack or are not interested in spending more then X amount of hours on.

[stealth]

mods asleep at the wheel again? why isn't this thread locked?

Wy should a thread get locked over a couple rude comments? Delete the comments, ban the posters, discussion goes on for the rest of us.
If you're so sensitive, there's always www.disney.com

[LaserEnvy]

Then let's talk about. Nothing should be taboo to discuss, and if you have valid points, I might actually agree with you. So, what makes you attribute the actions of the individuals in question to the colour of their skin, or their ethnicity?

There seems to be a lot of negative sentiment towards Indians here. Whether this derives from some sort of implicit jealousy people harbour towards the success of Indo-Canadians or whether this stems from the negative stigma associated with immigration and the job market, I don't know. But it absolutely baffles me that people still think this way.

India is one of the most corrupt countries in the world. This is not a racist rant, it is a fact - you can google it for verification. As a result, the corruption and dishonesty (cheating the system) are behaviours brought over to Canada by immigrants. The medical and IT and fields have to deal with lying on resumes, fake degrees and certifications, and nepotism (not to mention bad behaviour in the work place) - so much so that some companies have to hire third parties to verify qualifications when hiring these people. Again, I am not being racist here. I, along with many other people with first hand experience, can attest to this.

However, I don't think these kids cheated. A lot of second generation Indian students are academically smart and have the work ethic to pull of this kind of accomplishment, so congrats to them.

[Psubs]

Only one made the right choice of applying to health sci at Mac. She's guaranteed to get into at least Mac's med school. ;)


They're weird. My friend graduated from Mac and played Varsity basketball and they didn't accept him but he went to U of T and did his residency at Harvard. Go figure.

[jaxx lite]

They're weird. My friend graduated from Mac and played Varsity basketball and they didn't accept him but he went to U of T and did his residency at Harvard. Go figure.

Conspiracy theory: Maybe there is a quota system

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[Sepiraph]

There should be a standardized test at the end of grade 12, just like the SAT's in the USA. Helps weed out schools that give out marks too easily. Not saying that this is the case, but 4 students in one school getting 100% averages? Just seems kinda off. I'm sure they all worked hard but a standardized test would be nice.

+1 They need to get rid of bias from a particular teacher/school/region.

[Syne]

Too much credit is given to students for effort, and not enough for performance. Kids who graduate with 80s and 90s in 4U English who can't spell, but get their work proofread and autocorrected is a good example.

I was a 'C' student all through high school, yet in university I'm above the curve. Is it because I got smarter? On the contrary, I'm probably quite a bit dumber due to years of partying - but it's clear that a lot of the students getting amazing grades in high school are gaming the system, or having their parents essentially pay for their grades in ethnic enclave schools.

A standardized test is needed.

[Rehan]

A standardized test is needed. These IB kids write the same tests written by all other IB kids around the world (that study in the same language). It's already standardized for them. A score of 6 or 7 (out of 7) gives the kids a transfer credit at many universities in Canada and the US, just like AP does. These universities happen to know a bit more about student performance than a bunch of high school slackers who would get slaughtered on even the easy IB exams.

[Rehan]

Here's a link from the last time there was a thread about a couple of kids getting 100% (http://forums.redflagdeals.com/girl-earns-perfect-report-card-ib-program-913301/) (again, IB kids...):
GTA high school graduates with perfect marks divulge their secrets (http://www.thestar.com/parentcentral/education/schools%20and%20resources/article/837032--gta-high-school-graduates-with-perfect-marks-divulge-their-secrets)

It's not about just being bright. These kids set a goal and work hard towards achieving it. You can't say that the girl that studied 7 hours per night got 100% just because she paid off her teachers. It's the same formula in university, so they tend to have similar results in university too (until their motivation runs out or direction changes).

[divx]

Here's a link from the last time there was a thread about a couple of kids getting 100% (http://forums.redflagdeals.com/girl-earns-perfect-report-card-ib-program-913301/) (again, IB kids...):
GTA high school graduates with perfect marks divulge their secrets (http://www.thestar.com/parentcentral/education/schools%20and%20resources/article/837032--gta-high-school-graduates-with-perfect-marks-divulge-their-secrets)

It's not about just being bright. These kids set a goal and work hard towards achieving it. You can't say that the girl that studied 7 hours per night got 100% just because she paid off her teachers. It's the same formula in university, so they tend to have similar results in university too (until their motivation runs out or direction changes).

I was gonna downplay high school achievements but I will give credit for 7 hours of dedication per night, that's near the university level.

[Rehan]

I was gonna downplay high school achievements but I will give credit for 7 hours of dedication per night, that's near the university level. 7 hours per night would be university keener level. Even the average for IB high school students is 2-3 hours per night (http://www.google.ca/search?q=ib+homework+hours+per+night&cr=countryCA), which is more than what many people put in during university.

[adelfoxy]

Its possible for their over confident and also for good teaches.

[jenny_z_z]

This thread reminds me why I stopped visiting this site.

[olssy]

India is one of the most corrupt countries in the world. This is not a racist rant, it is a fact - you can google it for verification. As a result, the corruption and dishonesty (cheating the system) are behaviours brought over to Canada by immigrants. The medical and IT and fields have to deal with lying on resumes, fake degrees and certifications, and nepotism (not to mention bad behaviour in the work place) - so much so that some companies have to hire third parties to verify qualifications when hiring these people. Again, I am not being racist here. I, along with many other people with first hand experience, can attest to this.

However, I don't think these kids cheated. A lot of second generation Indian students are academically smart and have the work ethic to pull of this kind of accomplishment, so congrats to them.

Why I consider your post racist:

No hard proof as to why India is one of the most corrupt countries of the world, when I googled for classification of countries based on corruption India was right in the middle of the list on the Transparency International index.
Canada, like all nations, has it's own share of corruption and blaming immigrants is typically the sort of thing racist people do. Do you believe that English immigrants also bring corruption with them?
All professions have to deal with people lying on their resumes, faking diplomas, nepotism and bad behavior regardless of the country.
Large corporations have always done background checks on employees.

You pretty much took probalems that all countries face and tried to make it seem India was one of the worst and that immigrants are to blame for any corruption found in Canada, hard not to see you post as racist even if that was not your intention.

[gokira]

Indians are smart, that country is gonna be a serious threat when it gets richer.

XDXD haha I am Indian myself and now I am feeling scared of my own kind :cheesygri

but I must say that this is little fishy .. I live in Brampton and I been High school there and I never saw a Indian who graduated clean. Most of the smart student were distracted by other fool-around students and end up just like them. I myself graduated with 82% and I never even studied a single hour at home and did most of my study during lunch hour. The other students were just too dumb or never took study seriously so 45% of the class fails so kids like me automatically get 82% :razz: my brother still says that I don't deserve that 82% cause he never saw me studying at home. But if these kids really studied like they say, then I think they can achieve 90s easily .. but 100% is bit .. well .. nvm :razz:

[Aznsilvrboy]

Why I consider your post racist:

No hard proof as to why India is one of the most corrupt countries of the world, when I googled for classification of countries based on corruption India was right in the middle of the list on the Transparency International index.
Canada, like all nations, has it's own share of corruption and blaming immigrants is typically the sort of thing racist people do. Do you believe that English immigrants also bring corruption with them?
All professions have to deal with people lying on their resumes, faking diplomas, nepotism and bad behavior regardless of the country.
Large corporations have always done background checks on employees.

You pretty much took probalems that all countries face and tried to make it seem India was one of the worst and that immigrants are to blame for any corruption found in Canada, hard not to see you post as racist even if that was not your intention.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index

Yes India is in the middle (90 something out of 180 something countries) but you notice the latter half of the list are pretty much in red. That means the bottom half of countries are all pretty corrupt. The index is based on perception, because corruption cannot be measured directly.

[spike1128]

Why I consider your post racist:

No hard proof as to why India is one of the most corrupt countries of the world, when I googled for classification of countries based on corruption India was right in the middle of the list on the Transparency International index.
Canada, like all nations, has it's own share of corruption and blaming immigrants is typically the sort of thing racist people do. Do you believe that English immigrants also bring corruption with them?
All professions have to deal with people lying on their resumes, faking diplomas, nepotism and bad behavior regardless of the country.
Large corporations have always done background checks on employees.

You pretty much took probalems that all countries face and tried to make it seem India was one of the worst and that immigrants are to blame for any corruption found in Canada, hard not to see you post as racist even if that was not your intention.

Sorry guy, we can't accept this statement about English bringing corruption here. We do not believe this. The English empire was the least corrupt because the existence of a well thought out common law system. By saying this, you are saying under British rule India was worst than independent india which is not true. Just look at Burma, it's all backwards as well, British Burma > Independent Burma.

If you are aren't too ignorant, you would know that Quebec/French Canada became stronger and wanting to desperately become independent. Way before that, French Canadians were all uneducated farmers. Guess who set up school system for the French, the English.

If you look at Hong Kong. Back in the 50s, the police are all corrupt and took bribes (same as India). The British stepped in and create ICAC (anti corruption unit) to fight corruption. That's why Hong Kong is pearl of the orient and financial center.

If you also know about Canada in pre 1970s, there was not much crime. People don't close doors/lock them, because it was very safe. I don't buy your argument that the immigrant from 3rd world countries didn't bring corruption or crimes into this country. Of course there were criminals here already, but bringing more in is the problems.

This is what we know. A group of people doing insurance frauds, recently got busted is part of which group? The people running illegal prostitution rings are run by what people? The gangs who run around shooting each other is part of what group?

The most posters (especially laserenvy) here aren't racist even though I agree someone calling the kids paying off the teacher is pure speculation/insulting to the group of kid who is clearly Indian.

[spike1128]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index

Yes India is in the middle (90 something out of 180 something countries) but you notice the latter half of the list are pretty much in red. That means the bottom half of countries are all pretty corrupt. The index is based on perception, because corruption cannot be measured directly.

No worry Silver, olssy hasn't seen much of the world. He is clearly bias and quite ignorant (very ill travelled). It's almost like criminals calling bigger criminals worst, but they are criminals themselves.

[divx]

7 hours per night would be university keener level. Even the average for IB high school students is 2-3 hours per night (http://www.google.ca/search?q=ib+homework+hours+per+night&cr=countryCA), which is more than what many people put in during university.

yeah i suppose

[olssy]

Sorry guy, we can't accept this statement about English bringing corruption here. We do not believe this. The English empire was the least corrupt because the existence of a well thought out common law system. By saying this, you are saying under British rule India was worst than independent india which is not true. Just look at Burma, it's all backwards as well, British Burma > Independent Burma.

If you are aren't too ignorant, you would know that Quebec/French Canada became stronger and wanting to desperately become independent. Way before that, French Canadians were all uneducated farmers. Guess who set up school system for the French, the English.

If you look at Hong Kong. Back in the 50s, the police are all corrupt and took bribes (same as India). The British stepped in and create ICAC (anti corruption unit) to fight corruption. That's why Hong Kong is pearl of the orient and financial center.

If you also know about Canada in pre 1970s, there was not much crime. People don't close doors/lock them, because it was very safe. I don't buy your argument that the immigrant from 3rd world countries didn't bring corruption or crimes into this country. Of course there were criminals here already, but bringing more in is the problems.

This is what we know. A group of people doing insurance frauds, recently got busted is part of which group? The people running illegal prostitution rings are run by what people? The gangs who run around shooting each other is part of what group?

The most posters (especially laserenvy) here aren't racist even though I agree someone calling the kids paying off the teacher is pure speculation/insulting to the group of kid who is clearly Indian.

You don't have to believe me but your post is racist as was LaserEnvys. You insinuate that raising crime levels are because of non-white(or non-English) immigrants. You say that India, Burma and Hong-Kong were better off as English colonies, why? Because they are less smart than whites? You never say that specifically but implicitly that is what comes out.
The English did not set up Quebec's education system, the catholic church did, and it wasn't a purely rural province, Montreal was Canada's biggest city back then and french Quebecers were the countries cheap labor of the manufacturing industry.

It's like you argument about crime going up with immigration but you offer no statistics to prove your point. Here's an article commenting on why crime has been going down for the past 20 years while immigration has been going up:
http://www.cifar.ca/arrival-of-the-fittest-canadas-crime-rate-is-dropping-as-immigration-increases-is-there-a-connection

Then you go on to ask what group of people are doing insurance fraud, illegal prostitution and gangs that shoot each other. You don't say it specifically but by group you mean what race even though all serious scientific studies show there is no correlation between race and violent/criminal behavior, poverty/marginalization is the biggest cause of violent criminal behavior not ethnicity.

People just don't realize when they are being racist, it's not just the people who call others racist names or do violent actions to others based on race. It's the generalization of groups of people, the implicit underlying tones of un-acceptance. Imagine you just immigrated from India and you read this forum, all of a sudden you think most Canadians expect you to be a corrupt criminal even though you haven't done anything to deserve this perception.

[laptopuser]

You don't have to believe me but your post is racist as was LaserEnvys. You insinuate that raising crime levels are because of non-white(or non-English) immigrants. You say that India, Burma and Hong-Kong were better off as English colonies, why? Because they are less smart than whites? You never say that specifically but implicitly that is what comes out.
The English did not set up Quebec's education system, the catholic church did, and it wasn't a purely rural province, Montreal was Canada's biggest city back then and french Quebecers were the countries cheap labor of the manufacturing industry.

It's like you argument about crime going up with immigration but you offer no statistics to prove your point. Here's an article commenting on why crime has been going down for the past 20 years while immigration has been going up:
http://www.cifar.ca/arrival-of-the-fittest-canadas-crime-rate-is-dropping-as-immigration-increases-is-there-a-connection

Then you go on to ask what group of people are doing insurance fraud, illegal prostitution and gangs that shoot each other. You don't say it specifically but by group you mean what race even though all serious scientific studies show there is no correlation between race and violent/criminal behavior, poverty/marginalization is the biggest cause of violent criminal behavior not ethnicity.

People just don't realize when they are being racist, it's not just the people who call others racist names or do violent actions to others based on race. It's the generalization of groups of people, the implicit underlying tones of un-acceptance. Imagine you just immigrated from India and you read this forum, all of a sudden you think most Canadians expect you to be a corrupt criminal even though you haven't done anything to deserve this perception.

i disagree. sharing opinions, even unpopular ones, opens up discussions such as these.

what i find racist is when i walk into a retail store in brampton and the cashier is chit chatting and joking around in hindi with customers (not friends), while being formal and distant with me since im not "like them". or when i walk into a bank branch and all the tellers are indian (is this multiculturalism?). i also find it highly racist that i only ever see indians congregating with each other, never ever with any other race. that is the ultimate racism. it seems white canadians have to accept every ethnicity that steps foot here, but when it comes to accepting us as part of your lives, we're not wanted.

oh and by the way i live in brampton, so this is first hand experience and not something i heard from a friend.

[Junigenmukyoku]

Sorry guy, we can't accept this statement about English bringing corruption here. We do not believe this. The English empire was the least corrupt because the existence of a well thought out common law system. By saying this, you are saying under British rule India was worst than independent india which is not true. Just look at Burma, it's all backwards as well, British Burma > Independent Burma.

If you are aren't too ignorant, you would know that Quebec/French Canada became stronger and wanting to desperately become independent. Way before that, French Canadians were all uneducated farmers. Guess who set up school system for the French, the English.

If you look at Hong Kong. Back in the 50s, the police are all corrupt and took bribes (same as India). The British stepped in and create ICAC (anti corruption unit) to fight corruption. That's why Hong Kong is pearl of the orient and financial center.

If you also know about Canada in pre 1970s, there was not much crime. People don't close doors/lock them, because it was very safe. I don't buy your argument that the immigrant from 3rd world countries didn't bring corruption or crimes into this country. Of course there were criminals here already, but bringing more in is the problems.

This is what we know. A group of people doing insurance frauds, recently got busted is part of which group? The people running illegal prostitution rings are run by what people? The gangs who run around shooting each other is part of what group?

The most posters (especially laserenvy) here aren't racist even though I agree someone calling the kids paying off the teacher is pure speculation/insulting to the group of kid who is clearly Indian.

I'm curious, who?

[unpossible]

i'm pretty sure that the parents played a HUGE role in this..pure discipline and strictness..the way to go! reward..but be strict and make sure they do their stuff :P

[LaserEnvy]

Why I consider your post racist:

No hard proof as to why India is one of the most corrupt countries of the world, when I googled for classification of countries based on corruption India was right in the middle of the list on the Transparency International index.
Canada, like all nations, has it's own share of corruption and blaming immigrants is typically the sort of thing racist people do. Do you believe that English immigrants also bring corruption with them?
All professions have to deal with people lying on their resumes, faking diplomas, nepotism and bad behavior regardless of the country.
Large corporations have always done background checks on employees.

You pretty much took probalems that all countries face and tried to make it seem India was one of the worst and that immigrants are to blame for any corruption found in Canada, hard not to see you post as racist even if that was not your intention.

As mentioned above, corruption cannot be directly measured. However, to say that India is not a corrupt country is pretty baffling when that is one the main issues the country is dealing with at the moment.

http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2010-12-10/news/27614571_1_corrupt-country-transparency-international-petty-corruption

http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/india-fourth-most-corrupt-nations-survey/130567/on

I'm not saying Indians or any other race is responsible for crime and corruption in Canada. What I am saying is, from my (first hand) observations, cheating and lying in order to get ahead is a accepted behaviour among a lot Indian people. Also, I did not say people of other cultures do not participate in bad behaviour. I did not mention other cultures at all. I am talking specifically about Indian people in specific industry professions. It is a problem whether you are aware of it or not. Just because you do not like what I said, it does not mean that it is racist. There is bad behaviour displayed by all ethnic groups - the problem is that once someone starts talking about it, people have this instinctive reaction to cry foul.

[Abel4Life]

As mentioned above, corruption cannot be directly measured. However, to say that India is not a corrupt country is pretty baffling when that is one the main issues the country is dealing with at the moment.

http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2010-12-10/news/27614571_1_corrupt-country-transparency-international-petty-corruption

http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/india-fourth-most-corrupt-nations-survey/130567/on

I'm not saying Indians or any other race is responsible for crime and corruption in Canada. What I am saying is, from my (first hand) observations, cheating and lying in order to get ahead is a accepted behaviour among a lot Indian people. Also, I did not say people of other cultures do not participate in bad behaviour. I did not mention other cultures at all. I am talking specifically about Indian people in specific industry professions. It is a problem whether you are aware of it or not. Just because you do not like what I said, it does not mean that it is racist. There is bad behaviour displayed by all ethnic groups - the problem is that once someone starts talking about it, people have this instinctive reaction to cry foul.

It is true. The entire H1B program was ruined by many (not all) Indians in IT abusing the program through fraud to get to the USA. Most are from South India (andhra pradesh) specifically.

Just google 'hydrebad visa fraud' or 'h1b indian fraud' and you'll know what I'm talking about. I work directly with many of these people. They are VERY talented and nice but what they did to get over to the US is still fraud and that is why ICE and DOL (Department of Labor) are so strict on these visas now then ever before.

Rather then give real life examples just google around and you'll know what I mean.

I am also not bashing a culture as whole but specific industry professionals (IT) as well. The Indian IT companies are just as much to blame then the actual individuals.

If you want to talk about education and how some are using it to get their visas:

http://news.change.org/stories/hundreds-of-indian-students-duped-by-fake-university-face-deportation
http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/22-universities-across-india-fake-ugc/425697/

[jenny_z_z]

This is what we know. A group of people doing insurance frauds, recently got busted is part of which group? The people running illegal prostitution rings are run by what people? The gangs who run around shooting each other is part of what group?

The most posters (especially laserenvy) here aren't racist even though I agree someone calling the kids paying off the teacher is pure speculation/insulting to the group of kid who is clearly Indian.

Really depends on your definition of racism. Racism can be subtle and/or unintentional. For example, based on your comments, you seem to have a predisposition to magnify negative news/events related to certain groups and not others. Which is pretty common on RFD, to be fair.

[Pratzy]

This is what we know. A group of people doing insurance frauds, recently got busted is part of which group? The people running illegal prostitution rings are run by what people? The gangs who run around shooting each other is part of what group?

.

Who and what are these incidents you are referring to ? Using distorted evidence to support your arguments isn't going validate your posts.

Anyways, I guess you are basically you're blaming immigrants for crime ?
You're just as bad as those people who think that people of a certain race are more violent than others. There is no correlation between crime and race/ethnicity.
It's always been poverty and oppression that is usually the culprit.
As the other poster mentioned crime rates have been dropping in Canada since the 1990's, although immigration continues. This fact basically makes your argument invalid.

Sure, there might be a few bad apples in every group, whether they be immigrants, people of a certain race/ethnicity or background. But generalizing the whole population is extremely stupid of you.

Just stating a few recent examples of crimes by persons of immigrant backgrounds prove nothing about overall rates of crime.

I could point out many heinous psychopathic crimes committed by white males of non-immigrant backgrounds (Magnotta, Bernardo, Rafferty). Does that make a case that white males are more prone to be psychopaths ?

No, because that's ridiculous. There is no evidence of a correlation, just as there is no correlation between crime and immigrants.

[jaxx lite]

People just don't realize when they are being racist, it's not just the people who call others racist names or do violent actions to others based on race.

It's the generalization of groups of people, the implicit underlying tones of un-acceptance.

Imagine you just immigrated from another country and you read this forum, all of a sudden you think most Canadians expect you to be a corrupt criminal even though you haven't done anything to deserve this perception.


Racism can be subtle and/or unintentional.

For example, based on your comments, you seem to have a predisposition to magnify negative news/events related to certain groups and not others.

Which is pretty common on RFD, to be fair.

Yep.

Do you get the vibe that most people are racist or racism is common?

They can't help being racist

or

someone taught them to be racist.

=

[stevenvv]

something fishy is going on.. 4 kids the same ethnic background getting 100% which also happens to be in brampton, and one of them happens to be a sister of the other.. Hmmmm...

this might be another yogaraja case.

[spike1128]

You don't have to believe me but your post is racist as was LaserEnvys. You insinuate that raising crime levels are because of non-white(or non-English) immigrants. You say that India, Burma and Hong-Kong were better off as English colonies, why? Because they are less smart than whites? You never say that specifically but implicitly that is what comes out.
The English did not set up Quebec's education system, the catholic church did, and it wasn't a purely rural province, Montreal was Canada's biggest city back then and french Quebecers were the countries cheap labor of the manufacturing industry.

It's like you argument about crime going up with immigration but you offer no statistics to prove your point. Here's an article commenting on why crime has been going down for the past 20 years while immigration has been going up:
http://www.cifar.ca/arrival-of-the-fittest-canadas-crime-rate-is-dropping-as-immigration-increases-is-there-a-connection

Then you go on to ask what group of people are doing insurance fraud, illegal prostitution and gangs that shoot each other. You don't say it specifically but by group you mean what race even though all serious scientific studies show there is no correlation between race and violent/criminal behavior, poverty/marginalization is the biggest cause of violent criminal behavior not ethnicity.

People just don't realize when they are being racist, it's not just the people who call others racist names or do violent actions to others based on race. It's the generalization of groups of people, the implicit underlying tones of un-acceptance. Imagine you just immigrated from India and you read this forum, all of a sudden you think most Canadians expect you to be a corrupt criminal even though you haven't done anything to deserve this perception.

Sorry, I am no racist. I think you are just being sensitive over this topic and feel that people are not accepting you here and have already judged you. What I was saying was for Laserenvy is saying is true about India being corrupt, but you turn around and say they are not at the bottom. India is clearly not at the top of the anti corruption scale. Clearly you are bias.

I am not saying all immigrants are criminals, but because you feel I am saying this. I didn't say rather I am locally born or an immigrant, so how can you call me a racist and the others racist? Do you agree that if Indians living in Brampton and talking Hindu in a school setting or work setting and ignoring English/other minorities, are they racist? It clearly there is a reverse racist element to it. So why do you use this politically correction to defense some things that might be true. I already said that saying the kids with 100% marks are not bribing the teachers, it's clearly the other poster sounds racist/generalizing. But you can't turn something that's fact and say it's not correct. Once again, I say you are clearly bias to say India is not corrupt.

[jenny_z_z]

Indians living in Brampton and talking Hindu

There's no language called "Hindu".

[Ottomaddox]

Do they ever track these 100%ers are see how they are doing in 5-10 years down the road?

[transitguy1]

Do they ever track these 100%ers are see how they are doing in 5-10 years down the road?

nobody cares, thats the new culture in the country bud, nobody cares

[Toukolou]

nobody cares, thats the new culture in the country bud, nobody cares
How true, these stories are stories for about 10 mins, then we collectively move on.

That is, unless there is a thread going on RFD.

[kingkao]

Honestly, I have no idea how you can get an average of 100%. Do these kids not take English? It is impossible to get a 100% in English and have never seen an essay returned with 100%.

[Syne]

^ This is actually a good point.

I wouldn't mind an explanation, because he's right. What are the chances all these kids are Oscar Wilde?

[tsxnation]

LOL so many haters in this thread. Some kids got 100. No big deal. Are people sad that they never got those grades in school?

Why does it have to turn into a race argument? Instead of bickering, can people not take the achievement at face value and assume they earned those grades with great personal sacrifice? Truth be told, if they continue those habits into university and in to subsequent grad schools, they have a great chance of success.

I was in no way a 100% student but my grades were always in the 90's during high school. I didn't study for ***** . If you are remotely smart, high school and even university are just not that hard. That's why every joe blow has a undergraduate degree. I have a friend who is an English major who has the vocabulary of a monkey. This person couldn't put together a sentence to save his/her life. University is just not that hard because standards are too damn low for admission and just as low with respect to coursework.

Look at the demographics of graduate/professional schools...they are heavily populated by asian and southeast asians...coincidence? LOL. Maybe their parents paid admissions committees there as well...

[Syne]

^ I'm not hating at all, I just want to see one of the English essays these kids handed in and got 100% on. It's more curiosity and disbelief than any sort of animosity toward their cheevz.

[peanutz]

Honestly, I have no idea how you can get an average of 100%. Do these kids not take English? It is impossible to get a 100% in English and have never seen an essay returned with 100%."100% in final year" = they coulda taken Grade 12 English during the summer before their final year of high school. :)

[LaserEnvy]

^ I'm not hating at all, I just want to see one of the English essays these kids handed in and got 100% on. It's more curiosity and disbelief than any sort of animosity toward their cheevz.

As teachers, provided they have passion for their job, they probably want to see their students succeed. My guess is that the English teachers were willing to assist them in attaining their goal by being lenient and giving them 100% (the parents probably put pressure on the teachers as well).

[Syne]

So letting yourself get leaned on by parents and assisting some students more than others to get higher grades is being passionate about your job as a teacher?

No offense, but that sounds more like abusing your job as a teacher.

Are teachers not supposed to be objective? I've heard teachers say that they cover the names on the sheet before grade tests and papers, so that they don't risk losing objectivity. That seems like the fair way to go.

Besides, if anyone needs leniency it's not the ones getting super high grades, it's the ones who are trying but struggling and have no parental cheerleading squad to back them up.

No wonder we live in a society where the rich get the best interest rates and suffer the least risk when investing, celebrities get free duds, and employers only hire the already employed. This mentality of rewarding those who need it the least starts when we're knee high to a grasshopper.

[Rehan]

These guys got 100% in large part because they got 7's on their IB exams. Some of you don't seem to understand that. A 7 gets converted to a range between 96-100% according to the formula used in all Ontario high schools that offer IB...and I'm assuming at Turner Fenton they just use the upper end of that range. The exams are marked outside of the school (and usually outside of the country), so it's not an issue of leniency.

Here's an example of a good essay from an IB student: http://www.uaisresearch.com/uploads/2/7/1/6/2716219/english_2.pdf

[LaserEnvy]

^
It was just a guess. :confused:

[Syne]

These guys got 100% in large part because they got 7's on their IB exams. Some of you don't seem to understand that. A 7 gets converted to a range between 96-100% according to the formula used in all Ontario high schools that offer IB...and I'm assuming at Turner Fenton they just use the upper end of that range. The exams are marked outside of the school (and usually outside of the country), so it's not an issue of leniency.

Here's an example of a good essay from an IB student: http://www.uaisresearch.com/uploads/2/7/1/6/2716219/english_2.pdf

How does the province oversee the grading process?

By the way, that essay was unreadable.

[peanutz]

How does the province oversee the grading process?

By the way, that essay was unreadable.It's well-written, although some parts just make me laugh.

"...the pulse of the empowered female throbs beneath the great web of Tolkienian myth, strengthened by the spindles of Galadriel, Eowyn and Shelob." ROFLLLLLL

[Rehan]

How does the province oversee the grading process? By being aware of IBO (http://ibo.org/)'s practices and policies and having coordinators at the school and board levels to liaise with IBO if there are issues.


By the way, that essay was unreadable. Instead of opening it in the browser, save the file to your computer first and then open it up in Acrobat Reader or your favorite PDF reader.

[LaserEnvy]

Instead of opening it in the browser, save the file to your computer first and then open it up in Acrobat Reader or your favorite PDF reader.

Hmm can't tell if trolling or serious...

[Rehan]

Hmm can't tell if trolling or serious... When I clicked the link to open that PDF within the browser, it's all messed up and can't be read; but it's okay in Acrobat Reader. I gave Syne the benefit of the doubt and assumed he was having a similar problem, rather than assuming that he's not bright enough to read and understand the essay.

[Syne]

It's well-written, although some parts just make me laugh.

"...the pulse of the empowered female throbs beneath the great web of Tolkienian myth, strengthened by the spindles of Galadriel, Eowyn and Shelob." ROFLLLLLL

I did laugh when I read that. I'd be more concerned with the premise that assumes that elves and rings are 'teh feminine'. I felt the author was really reaching here for some sort of feminine symbolism.

I finally got the PDF to open properly. For some reason the text was scrambled the first time.

[peanutz]

I did laugh when I read that. I'd be more concerned with the premise that assumes that elves and rings are 'teh feminine'. I felt the author was really reaching here for some sort of feminine symbolism.So what you are saying is...Legolas is your idea of a manly man.

I'm more concerned that Galadriel's character is described as "masculine" for no apparent reason and then used as an example of the empowered female.

So powerful women = they do it like men

Got it.

[Syne]

Let's just agree that it's a 90% at best.

[adelfoxy]

This thread reminds me why I stopped visiting this site.Really 4 kids contains the same ethnic background.

[NorthYorker]

Do you mean that in a "wow, they must have great teachers there" way, or in a "standards must be so low that they're just giving it away" way?It really could be either, although my bet is on "wow, they must have great tiger families there".
Should I hire them in another 10 years?They would probably be working in States or Europe at this point. Canada is absolutely miserable in valuing human capital. We're still a country of lumberjacks and miners in our ways of thinking.
Umm, my school didn't even make the list. I'm not shocked, though. :|There's one problem with those rankings. They average out the school, from applied courses to IB. So, if you have 50 smart and driven kids among 500 potsmokers, average would be not that great.
I have had brown friends brag about lying on their resumes and in job interviews in order to get a job. I told them they're wrong for doing that but they saw nothing wrong with it.WASPS don't brag about it. Does not mean they're not doing it, though.
THere are people here with 95%+ averages who get crushed in universityThis happens a lot with private school grads, who're using to spoon-feeding and being lead every step of the way. They're great academically, but lack habit of independent work.
again, IB kids...IB in public system (especially in suburban GTA areas) tend to attract cream of the crop from immigrant (read - less affluent) communities. I bet this school has the biggest concentration of hard-working geeks (and I'm using it as a compliment) in Brampton.

[Simaahoy]

Congrats to them, and anyone having a problem with this are clearly jealous pathetic ****s

[spike1128]

Congrats to them, and anyone having a problem with this are clearly jealous pathetic ****s

Why is people being jealous? Everyone is not a high school student here.

[Simaahoy]

Why is people being jealous? Everyone is not a high school student here.

Obviously some people on here are, since they are insisting that Brampton schools are easier than other parts of the gta.

I am talking about people on RFD saying that Brampton is third world place to raise a family, and that people are uncivilized and uneducated. It doesn't matter where you raise your kid.......

People have no problem bashing Brampton but when it comes to success stories, they still do.

[Rainne]

What irks me is how do you get 100% in English??

It's like getting 100% in Art!!

[wilsonlam97]

What irks me is how do you get 100% in English??

It's like getting 100% in Art!!

Actually I don't see how getting 100% in art isn't impossible. I remember slacking off and never completing any work but I still got 70%. Empathy points? Idk. Everybody else got 90+.

I guess its different from every school but in my experience art is not impossible. I used it as a filler course before.

[elmst200]

Are there any news coverages on the tops students in other regions? I'm particularly interested in Toronto and York region.

[NorthYorker]

Are there any news coverages on the tops students in other regions? I'm particularly interested in Toronto and York region.http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/t-o-student-ends-high-school-with-a-perfect-year-1.532075

IB again, boys and girls :)

[Rehan]

^^ Those are from a couple of years ago. Here are others from this year:

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/214444--toronto-catholic-school-board-s-top-scholars-unveiled

"Nicola Sahar of Bishop Allen Academy, who achieved finished with a 100-per-cent average, is heading to McMaster University in September to study health sciences. He hopes to become a neurosurgeon.

Catherine Spagnuolo of Loretto Abbey Catholic Secondary School, who also got 100 per cent in her final grades, will be going to York University to study biology and hopes to become a doctor.
...
The other two top scholars were Alexandra Majerski with a 99.83-per-cent average and Alexander Gabinet-Equihua with a 99.50 average. Both students recently graduated from Bishop Allen Academy."

http://www.yorkregion.com/news/article/1390969--newmaket-student-shares-secret-to-earning-top-marks

"• Graeme Baker, Alexander Mackenzie High School, 99.5 per cent
• Christopher Olesovsky, Sir William Mulock Secondary School, 99.33 per cent
• Dongfang Ge, Newmarket High School, 99.17 per cent
• Sonieya Nagarajah, Langstaff Secondary School, 99 per cent
• Michelle Jia, Markham District High School, 98.83 per cent "

http://www.ycdsb.ca/news/archive/071012Top.htm

"The York Catholic District School Board’s top scholar for the 2011-12 school year is Stephanie Gaglione, a Grade 12 graduate of the International Baccalaureate (IB) Diploma Programme at St. Robert Catholic High School in Thornhill. Stephanie earned a near-perfect, 99.67 per cent average in her top six Grade 12 courses.


Almost all of these kids are in IB or AP programs. Can't blame race or corruption for these ones.

[Dina_E]

immigrant kids do bad in school and get into trouble= white people complain
immigrant kids blows away competition and excels in school= white people complain.

[Xpwmata]

immigrant kids do bad in school and get into trouble= white people complain
immigrant kids blows away competition and excels in school= white people complain.

How do you know it's 'white people' complaining? Are you privy to the ethnic background of every poster in this forum? Many immigrants to this country are 'white' lmao.

Congrats, you just demonstrated your own ignorance and bigotry.

[elmst200]

how do you know those four are kids of immigrants. They might be childrens of several generation Canadians.


immigrant kids do bad in school and get into trouble= white people complain
immigrant kids blows away competition and excels in school= white people complain.

[spike1128]

how do you know those four are kids of immigrants. They might be childrens of several generation Canadians.

Because Dina_E is a backwards racist. We are getting there folks.

I think the Chinese has more rights than the others to complain if we had to, because we built the railways and also got head taxed. As long as we are concerned, the government owes the people billions (the original amount + interest).

[laptopuser]

Because Dina_E is a backwards racist. We are getting there folks.

I think the Chinese has more rights than the others to complain if we had to, because we built the railways and also got head taxed. As long as we are concerned, the government owes the people billions (the original amount + interest).

you can send that bill to the canadians that were alive at the time this took place.

[jaxx lite]

I think the Chinese has more rights than the others to complain if we had to, because we built the railways and also got head taxed. As long as we are concerned, the government owes the people billions (the original amount + interest).

Actually,
there were other ethnic groups who were mistreated by the Canadian government

- Inuit
- Aboriginals / Natives
- Chinese
- Japanese
- Italians
- Ukrainians
- German????
- probably others

=

[FrogPrince]

Big deal. I ****ed around in highschool, skipped half my classes and did zero homework and got an 84% average. Getting good marks in high school nowadays is akin to being able to tie your own shoelaces.

[Rehan]

Big deal. I ****ed around in highschool, skipped half my classes and did zero homework and got an 84% average. Getting good marks in high school nowadays is akin to being able to tie your own shoelaces. LOL.

Some people just have a different definition of "good marks". When some university programs have high school average minimums in the 90's, getting an 84% doesn't exactly cut it.

"Queen’s University rarely admits students with less than an A average." (http://oncampus.macleans.ca/education/2010/07/08/your-grades-will-drop/)

[FrogPrince]

LOL.

Some people just have a different definition of "good marks". When some university programs have high school average minimums in the 90's, getting an 84% doesn't exactly cut it.

"Queen’s University rarely admits students with less than an A average." (http://oncampus.macleans.ca/education/2010/07/08/your-grades-will-drop/)

The point is that it got me into the university of my choice (actually, all three choices) back when I was applying in 2000. And that's all that matters. I dont really care what kind of grades you need for Queens in 2012.

[RastaManMax]

LOL.

Some people just have a different definition of "good marks". When some university programs have high school average minimums in the 90's, getting an 84% doesn't exactly cut it.

"Queen’s University rarely admits students with less than an A average." (http://oncampus.macleans.ca/education/2010/07/08/your-grades-will-drop/)

+1. I ended up with a mid-90 average. During the double cohort year soft. eng at Waterloo required mid-90's. Didn't get early acceptance. Got in but ended up choosing accounting instead because I wasn't sure WTF I wanted to do with my life.

Only got 2 relatively small scholarships too.

[rjones416]

how is it possible to get 100%? you're telling me they never got one mark deducted on an essay or math/english assignment?

[ovechkin1]

http://i.thestar.com/images/d8/5a/80f5a3c8494eb5a4a55a21a2ecff.jpg


So there you have it, the smartest kids in brampton, with the 4 of them earning a 100% average for the year. This schools in brampton must have really good teachers too. Looks like there is going to be some successful peeps coming out of brampton in the future. How does this compare to the rest of the GTA?
Probably has some of her relatives working as teachers. From the way of how ***** and run down Brampton is, I'd only believe an article if it said how much dumber people were from there.

[jacobe]

High school marks are so over inflated. It's good that these kids are dedicated though. I mean, it is better than reading about kids dropping out of school.

I know way too many people that have 80 and 90 averages coming out of high school that really didn't put much effort into it, not to say that they are smart or dumb but getting high marks in high school doesn't seem to be much of a challege anymore.

[fibonacci]

http://i.thestar.com/images/d8/5a/80f5a3c8494eb5a4a55a21a2ecff.jpg


So there you have it, the smartest kids in brampton, with the 4 of them earning a 100% average for the year. This schools in brampton must have really good teachers too. Looks like there is going to be some successful peeps coming out of brampton in the future. How does this compare to the rest of the GTA?

this tells me the public schools aren't challenging enough for them

It's easy to get 100s in public school classes, especially since the vast majority of students are lazy and brain-dead, constantly bugging the teachers to give out bonus points....


Secondly, I remember the tests they would give out, were so damn easy, anyone with a half of a working brain could rote learn their way through it


now let's see if these kids can invent something revolutionary with the knowledge they've gained

I suspect they're just going to go to university, and continue using their bad study habits by rote learning their way through exams, regurgitating everything they memorize...
and then end up working in the service sector where they just push paper and sharpen pencil.

[Forhad]

so the easiest teachers are in Brampton? :D

I think wisest.:idea:

[Tornado F2]

So there you have it, the smartest kids in brampton, with the 4 of them earning a 100% average for the year. This schools in brampton must have really good teachers too. Looks like there is going to be some successful peeps coming out of brampton in the future. How does this compare to the rest of the GTA?

Until they implement standardised province-wide testing it's impossibly to determine for sure which students are truly "smartest". Different teachers and school boards allocate marks differently.

[15-20_God]

yes, but how well did they do on their driving test?

[Rehan]

yes, but how well did they do on their driving test? Lol. Reminds of my brother, who had a 1590 SAT score (out of 1600) but failed the written test for his licence the first time he tried it. :facepalm:

[LostInTruth]

Lol. Reminds of my brother, who had a 1590 SAT score (out of 1600) but failed the written test for his licence the first time he tried it. :facepalm:

For some reason I think most "smart" people fail the written driving test based on the wording and over-analyzing.

[cheapmeister]

For some reason I think most "smart" people fail the written driving test based on the wording and over-analyzing.

The test is multiple choice, cannot be so difficult to figure out the correct answer.

[goodguy90]

The test is multiple choice, cannot be so difficult to figure out the correct answer.

Wording and over analysis of details tends to be most detrimental on multiple choice testing, although the written driving test is so basic that I doubt over analyzing would be an issue for "smart" people.

[LostInTruth]

The test is multiple choice, cannot be so difficult to figure out the correct answer.

Written answer > Multiple Choice. The wording in those tests can be so misleading and similar it gives you a headache. Anyways that's the excuse I used for failing! Honestly, the people I thought would pass failed and the people who I thought would fail passed, just my personal observation :cheesygri

[TheRed]

fishy fish is fishy

[Viking21]

I know one of the person who got the 100% average personally.

1. No one from the 4 people are related to each other.
2. They are all in the IB program. Which means that their ontario grades are converted from IB scores. (example. if you get a 7 in HL math (highest possible level in iB) then depending on your predicted mark going into the exam, then you could get 3 4U 100s.
All of there exams are bellcurved. For instance, on a IB exam if you get above 65 raw score that might be a level 7.
3. Basically all the marks their getting are graded by people from all over the world. There exams are not marked there known teachers, same goes somewhat with major assignments.


I feel pity for all the people who are trying to defame these kids on the internet.

p.s. All of these students are in tons of ecs.

[fibonacci]

I know one of the person who got the 100% average personally.

1. No one from the 4 people are related to each other.
2. They are all in the IB program. Which means that their ontario grades are converted from IB scores. (example. if you get a 7 in HL math (highest possible level in iB) then depending on your predicted mark going into the exam, then you could get 3 4U 100s.
All of there exams are bellcurved. For instance, on a IB exam if you get above 65 raw score that might be a level 7.
3. Basically all the marks their getting are graded by people from all over the world. There exams are not marked there known teachers, same goes somewhat with major assignments.


I feel pity for all the people who are trying to defame these kids on the internet.

p.s. All of these students are in tons of ecs.

Do you know Jeet?

PM if you do... I would like to send him a message about UW.

[Superboot]

Congrats goes out to these smart kids, def excelling hitting that 100% average.

[Tornado F2]

The test is multiple choice, cannot be so difficult to figure out the correct answer.

Sometimes the test creators are dumb enough to supply only incorrect answers.

[rageking]

I know one of the person who got the 100% average personally.

1. No one from the 4 people are related to each other.
2. They are all in the IB program. Which means that their ontario grades are converted from IB scores. (example. if you get a 7 in HL math (highest possible level in iB) then depending on your predicted mark going into the exam, then you could get 3 4U 100s.
All of there exams are bellcurved. For instance, on a IB exam if you get above 65 raw score that might be a level 7.
3. Basically all the marks their getting are graded by people from all over the world. There exams are not marked there known teachers, same goes somewhat with major assignments.


I feel pity for all the people who are trying to defame these kids on the internet.

p.s. All of these students are in tons of ecs.


Congrats on the scores! Why didnt any of you 4 apply to the Ivy league schools in the US?

[ssainani]

Congrats on the scores! Why didnt any of you 4 apply to the Ivy league schools in the US?

i am pretty sure not everyone has the resources to afford 5 years of private university in another country.

[kingkao]

OK. That's all I wanted to know. Bell curved marks. Makes it a lot easier to get 100%. Not that impressive as I was under the impression that they made absolutely no mistake on a handed in work and that their essays were insanely well written. If they were put in any other school, they would not be able to achieve this.

[LaserEnvy]

OK. That's all I wanted to know. Bell curved marks. Makes it a lot easier to get 100%. Not that impressive as I was under the impression that they made absolutely no mistake on a handed in work and that their essays were insanely well written. If they were put in any other school, they would not be able to achieve this.

Agreed. When I was in high school there were students who took regular classes from grade 9 to OAC and finished with 95% and up. Even then no one really gave a crap besides the students and his/her parents.

[NorthYorker]

If they were put in any other school, they would not be able to achieve this.Your statement reads as if it is easier to study in IB than in "any other school", which is absolutely incorrect.

[ssharm02]

so the easiest teachers are in Brampton? :D

I went to Turner Fenton and no it wasn't easy.

[divx]

meh, report back when these kids score 90%+ in university.

[NorthYorker]

meh, report back when these kids score 90%+ in university.IB kids from the public system are more or less destined to score 90+

[divx]

^fair enough

[WildWolf]

Who really cares.

[forthewinwin]

Why is this thread still alive? So a bunch of kids score well in high school. Great, good for them. Not like it doesn't happen anywhere else. Not to attack them, but didn't feel the title of this thread was meaningful.

[Kris81]

My family always said:

"In school, try and get in the 90's, but if you are trying for 100, you're probably not living life, so learn to relax"

Lucky for them, I was always getting 60's or 70's

[WildWolf]

Why is this thread still alive? So a bunch of kids score well in high school. Great, good for them. Not like it doesn't happen anywhere else. Not to attack them, but didn't feel the title of this thread was meaningful.

The OP was is from the West End he wants to feel proud of, what, I dunno. Nerds (In all honesty who really cares what a School labels you, if you are not involved in crime, do marks really matter, truth is, no they don't) today, parents tomorrow, that is all I can say figure it out.

In life you are always learning it doesn't stop after school is over. In fact most are probably stupid to realize that once they close the last text book, they have only graduated from Grade 1 of Life.